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Cody Lyans

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A very brief explainer of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gens would be helpful for the clueless like me. Just a few sentences but with examples from each school. For example is the 1st gen only Mystery Method and the like or anyone from The Game including what was then naturals? About what might be 3rd gen I have a vague idea but my idea may be completely different to yours. How you described 2nd gen however is a full blank space to me.
1st Gen was born when the net was, it was the first forum on it all, it included guys that became commercial juggernauts.
Strauss, deangelo, Tyler, etc
2nd Gen came in the shadows of that and felt it was too unnatural so created highly socially calibrated game that also was capable of pulling girls in minutes vs hours and days
Chase, myself, aleks
3rd Gen is the Gen that knows nothing of either gen that came before, but just know of game from blogs, YouTube channels etc.
Charisma on command etc

3rd gen typically don't have a big drive to be amaaaaaszing, they tend to have more subdued aims and a more peripheral interest level.
As a reaction to this, commercial guys now adapt to talk to a base that is not as "cult" but more just guys looking to improve

Add on top what others mentioned of exhaustion, moving on, and wanting to look respectable, and you get a bit of a different reaction to things.
 

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I was wondering which one of you in here wrote this article, reminded me of this thread

 

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I'd be sad to see GC go, because it has balanced articles not only about PUA, but about socializing and the world in general (the first article that comes to mind is the series about the red/black game).
 

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I think a large part of the answer is a result of the whole feminist agenda. The BBC exposé etc. Channels being shut down against their will etc

But the demise seemed to start way before that, tbh. (PUA forums closing down due to lack of activity/interest etc. I was a member of like 4 PUA forums that all shut down lol)

The answer seems to be that the 'faith in game' is at an all time low. I mean 'game' in the classic sense of kind of 'influencing'/converting a girl who isn't remotely attracted to you into being attracted to you with your 'techniques' and lines etc. This is something that used to be believed was possible in the industry (even if nobody was able to do it, they still at least believed it was possible!)

That belief is basically completely gone, now. Rightly or wrongly. Maybe to do with the changing times and how girls choose men nowadays? More superficial? Dunno. Maybe it's actually always been the case and the industry was fooling naive people? Who knows!? Infields certainly don't seem to help the cause tbh (Basically always guys closing girls that were never close to being a 'no girl'. Always girls that were neutral-yes, or strong yes.)

So It's now where 'game' = basically not being so weird that you lose attraction from girls who were already into the second they laid eyes on you. I see this on 'seddit' and it was even that way on RooshVforum before they shut down their PUA side of the forum

I was wondering which one of you in here wrote this article, reminded me of this thread



That link actually gives a glimpse into what even COACHES tend to preach now and kind of underlines my point:

"If you are still out of shape and not attractive, no amount of “game” is going to get you hot girls, in fact your action will be judged even more harshly by some because quite frankly, girls hate being hit on by guys they are not initially attracted to"

There seems to be a belief now where people are like: ''Why would I pay some coach or whatever to tell me what I already knew as a 7 year old kid in the playground? Talk to girl, show intent at some point, then see if she feels the same way or not!''

I certainly hope some forums remain, though. Even if 'game' really is a game of not messing it up with girls who think you are hot (which in honesty has been my experience in my 4 years of game) it's STILL worthy. I certainly have friends who girls think are hot who fail to get laid a decent percent of the time through a lack of 'game' (in terms of lack leading, escalating, fun convo etc)
 

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Of course game won’t attract a girl who thinks your ugly as shit. GirlsChase has never made that claim. Unlike other sites, blogs, or whatever, GirlsChase does acknowledges that looks DO matter. and is all about improving your looks to be viewed as socially acceptable to fuck:


https://www.girlschase.com/content/social-acceptability-and-sexual-acceptability-dating

They call it “fundamentals" here.

Now yes its true. game is all about "not fucking it up”. All the best guys (PUAs, naturals) that get laid the most, instinctively know NOT to do certain shit that’ll fuck up the set. Learning game is to get you, a newbie/virgin whose never talked to a girl for more than 2 minutes, to that point.

And it can takes years of repeatedly going out to figure out where you fucked up. that’s what writing field reports are for. (not to brag….even tho I’m a repeat offender lol) The reports are then read by guys with more experience than you, so they can pinpoint, “lol hey dude THIS is where you fucked up” had you done X instead it would have lead to Y outcome. Or, “why did you do this/talk about this? Can you see how doing X lead to her saying this/losing interest?” Not hopeless, “ah it doesn’t matter she wouldn’t have fucked me no matter what I did.”

The phrase “lol just don't fuck it up" is as useless as “just be confident/alpha bro” to newbies/intermediates who want to improve their odds of closing hot girls.
 

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Of course game won’t attract a girl who thinks your ugly as shit.
Agreed lol

GirlsChase has never made that claim.
Agreed. If that was directed at me, I didn't mean to imply that they did make that claim. (Although much old school material did). Girlschase seem prety realistic from what i've read

and is all about improving your looks to be viewed as socially acceptable to fuck:

I'd say it's more about her needing to think you are hot/her physical type as opposed to just being 'acceptable to fuck' for you to have a shot, personally. 'Attraction'

Either way, the post is more about my theory on why PUA industry seemed to die a death somewhat as opposed to my own views on game
 

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I'd say it's more about her needing to think you are hot/her physical type as opposed to just being 'acceptable to fuck' for you to have a shot, personally

Disagree. She doesn't NEED to think your hot for you to have a shot with her (my Fuckbuddy for instance doesn't think I'm hot. I'm good looking enough but I know how to emotionally stimulate her, keep her desire for me, and fuck her well....but enough about me). Just socially acceptable aka "hmm this guy looks ok (style, body language, grooming, smell good). Let's see where this goes". That semi-interest can 100% be turned into "fuck I'm so wet. take me back to your place ASAP!!!"

Being viewed as "hot" only makes it easier (and make the seduction shorter (this is where those 5-15 minute pulls come from). And also make a lot of the thing average looking dudes do to get get those same girls, unnecessary. That's where you get disagreements "lol fuck all that shit bro. just do this and you'll get laid. Easy peasy". It's a different game your playing when a girl thinks your hot.
 

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Girls definitely don’t have to think your hot. It helps if she does. But sometimes just being there, being acceptable, escalating, and not fucking it up is enough. I know a lot of girls that didn’t think I was hot, but they were horny and I was there. They didn’t think I was ugly either obviously.
 

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For those of you who see the future of seduction as gloomy. What you read on the Internet isn't reality, it's usually exaggerated and out of proportion. I searched for Skilled Seducer on Reddit and what I've found was this interesting post back from 2010 I've though to be interesting to share here:

On the marketing/branding of the subculture of the "seduction" community said:
Am I the only one that is pretty impressed at how this subculture is invented?

By subculture, I'm talking about the PUA / seduction community.

Now, the concept of "PUA" isn't new. Back then, pickup artists weren't called pickup artists. They were players, smooth operators, womanizers, etc. They were good at talking to girls, spitting game, chatting up females. They didn't have routines, they had cool techniques.

Guys would be like, "Bro, you're pretty pimping... You always bringing home girls and shit. Teach me some cool techniques. How do you do it?"

Everything was in a casual language.

And then Mystery came along.

He invented the phrase "pick up ARTIST", which just sounds badass. You're an ARTIST. An artist at what? Pick up. What's pick up? I don't know, but it's a fancy phrase that means badass.

And then he analyzed everything and made a bunch of acronyms.

HB10 HB5 IOI DHV etc.

All of these acronyms are practical of course, but they also accomplished something else... They created a vocab, a new set of words... Essentially, he created a secret language.

So he created this secret underground community and people felt connected. It was like a password. If you wanted to see who was a PUA or not, you'd go up to him and be like, "HB10. IOI. DHV. AFC. SARGE SARGE SARGE" and he'd be like, "..... Right on bro"

PUA also made it glorious to become a skilled seducer. There's just something "COOL" about going up to a random chick on a street and leaving with her phone number. It was like a magic trick. Like, "hey guys, check out what I can do!" Becoming good at seducing makes you the envy of guys who can't get as many girls as you can. It's almost like a competition to see who can be the best.

Mystery was not only a master of social interactions, but he was a great marketer as well. He took something that already existed, packaged it into something mysterious... something secretive... made it into a damn subculture, and then unleashed it.

The great thing about PUA is that 99% of guys want it. They may not be seeking for actual PUA material per se, but almost all guys want to do better with women. So there's always a market for it.

In conclusion, I just think that the subculture is presented in a very interesting way. I think once it becomes mainstream-mainstream, it'll lose this mysterious appeal. Guys will read PUA techniques in magazines just like girls do.

(Off topic, but I think most girls are PUA's in the sense that they are very in tune with social dynamics and they pay so much attention to detail when it comes to social things, so they know everything about body language, value, interest, perception, etc.)
The full discussion. It's a good starting point.
 
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Mystery great marketter? Lol
 
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Of course game won’t attract a girl who thinks your ugly as shit. GirlsChase has never made that claim. Unlike other sites, blogs, or whatever, GirlsChase does acknowledges that looks DO matter. and is all about improving your looks to be viewed as socially acceptable to fuck:


https://www.girlschase.com/content/social-acceptability-and-sexual-acceptability-dating

They call it “fundamentals" here.

Before you start talking shit on forums and misinform fellow users,read my comment and wisen up a little.
How is it that I litterally was and still am the ugliest guy in my high school class but got all the girls.

First of all clever boy,let's define beauty:
What we call beauty is a set of traits that one sex or the other is attracted to,men are attracted to certain physical traits in women because these traits show that the woman is healthy and will bear children well,meaning wide hips show a higher potential of succesful birth,long healthy hair meaning she has been healthy for at least some time. We are attracted to these qualities because they cannot be faked and thus show that indeed a woman with these traits is healthy,those who chose to reproduce with people that has other traits died out now all of us are atrracted to these traits.

Woman are attracted to strong men,because women need a man who can give her strong descendants that will surive and thrive in an unhospitable environment. What is the point for a man to be hot and what do you even consider a man hot ?

That's why women are attracted to confidence,more over this is why they shit test men.

Here is an excerpt from a girlschase article:

More polite women will reassure you they don't think this way, but women absolutely, positively detest weakness in men. They can't stand it. And the more beautiful and in-demand a woman is, the more she loathes weakness in men.

You must be strong with your woman. It's utterly, completely tantamount to remaining attractive to her. You can have a saggy beer gut, be making $10 an hour at the gas station, have lost most of your hair, and wear beat-up old stained clothes, but if you are STRONG she will WORSHIP the ground you walk on.

Conversely, you could look like an Adonis, drive the most expensive sports car on the planet, wear nothing but Gucci and Prada, and live in a penthouse suite next to Central Park in downtown Manhattan, but if you are WEAK around her she will DESPISE you.

Why? Why is strength so completely, utterly, vitally important to women?

Two reasons:

  1. The strength of her mate determines the strength of her offspring, and
  2. The strength of her mate determines her likelihood to survive and her offspring's likelihood to

A lot of the things women hate are actually hardwired responses to drive them away from men who will provide them with weak offspring that will do less well at passing on their genes or will negatively impact their chances of surviving in the world.

Imagine a cavewoman from 20,000 years ago has babies with that guy in the group that nobody respects and always gets his mammoth steak snatched away by the bigger, cooler cavemen. Think her kids with him stand a better-than-average chance of passing her genes on to future generations, or a worse-than-average chance?

Now imagine a cavewoman from 20,000 years ago has babies with the tribal leader of the group, whom everyone loves and respects and makes offering of cave bear kabobs to whenever there's a cave picnic. Think her kids stand a better- or worse-than-average chance of passing on her genes?

Of course, right? The woman who breeds with the strong man has strong children with higher odds of successfully mating with other strong children; the woman who breeds with the weak man has weak children who end up mating with other weak children or don't end up mating at all.

Thus, women end up avoiding weak men as much as men avoid fat women. Weak men are to women what fat women are to men: the ultimate turn off. Except, there are some guys who really dig fat chicks... but there are NO women who really dig weak guys. They may end up tossing these guys in the friend zone, where they can still help the woman out by providing her resources and upping her survival odds without her having to actually risk mating with them, but even then they usually don't want to spend too much time with them.

link to article: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-prevent-cheating-your-girlfriend

Moreover,I will also tell you that in the 22 women that I have bedded, In my experience, women actually start to like the features of the man that she is attracted,therefore looks are totally useless to women.

Also,I checked that girlschase article that you refered to and I don't think you understood the core message that it tried to convey.
The thread talked about how,from a social point of view,i.e the opinion of other men and the opinion of other there were acceptable guys for her and not acceptable,that however does not define attraction.For instance you may really want to stick your cock into a hot slut but you wouldn't want your friends and family to see you with that woman as everyone knows that she's a whore,this is especially the case in a conservative environment,yet if you can bang her without consequences,you would.

Same here for women,they like having my cock in them but wouldn't want to show me to their parents considering that I smell like piss and have dirty fingernails.
She'd be judged very intesely and that is not something that she wants to suffer.

This however has nothing to do with attraction.If you want to make an accurate judgment as to whether a woman will be attracted to someone or not think of the following scenario...if we were all wild creatures and no societal norms would be present,just reproduction,what cock would she want inside her.
Ask yourself that question.

Anyway,I hope that my reply will help you get actual knowledge with women,now go out there and conquer some actual chicks before posting your next comment.
 

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@SUPERGTOR

Dude I hooked up with a girl who was in the top 10 candidates of the miss competition of my country.
I don't know what you sent me and how competent are the people that you send me to.
Instead of learning from stupid forums,learn from me and girlschase.
If you read everything you will turn into a confused idiot and you don't want that.
Anyway,good luck with your seductions
 

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Dude I hooked up with a girl who was in the top 10 candidates of the miss competition of my country.
I don't know what you sent me and how competent are the people that you send me to.
Instead of learning from stupid forums,learn from me and girlschase.
If you read everything you will turn into a confused idiot and you don't want that.
Anyway,good luck with your seductions
@SUPERGTOR

So in summary, my advice to you would be to just stop reading bullshit online if you want to improve yourself and only learn from the real people in the field.
And until you have really started doing that, don't pollute the minds of young men that are really trying to learn.
Oh and btw,there is no such thing as a league,there are only skills and depending on your skills aka how worthy of a man you are,different types of girls will settle for you.
The more of a man you are,the more feminine women you will get and vice versa.

All of this bullshit regarding looks or league or whatever is just a covert lack of manliness that you are trying to rationalize,just as women are insecure about their looks,you are insecure about your own but the pathetic thing is that you're not a woman and theoretically you should be beaten with a stick for being like that.
Best,
 

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now that this forum is the only one left it was only a matter of time until the incel trolls showed up posing as blue pilled ugly guys that slay. FOH with that nonsense.
 

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Okay. And Chase's "right hand" @Hector Papi Castillo (American) does just that in Romania. And I see nothing wrong with it. I wish him to have a good time and have a great experience and that's all.

Maybe I could use an explainer here as well as I'm seemingly too basic to understand your thinking.


I went to Eastern Europe first to work on One Date with Chase. Then I stayed cuz adventure and hot new pussy. Not sure how I went to Eastern Europe as a "cop out," but I'm assuming you didn't mean that with the quoted text.

As for OP's question -

Most of what is going is probably caused by the feminized men in Google/YouTube and other platforms (FB, Insta, etc).

It's not a conspiracy. Just good 'ol fashion cuckery, mixed in with some genuine hate/disgust (and it doesn't help to have stories coming out like that PUA getting arrested).

The men in IT companies, who are the new gods of publishing, are virtue signaling with their jobs or just giving up their jobs flatout.

I mean, let's think about it...there's a meeting happening somewhere over a Skype session or in a room where they look at a channel and some girl with pink hair goes, "Yeah, this is sexist/racist/etc," and the guys in the room nod yes and then drool at the pink haired whale across for them, hoping for a chance to drink her bathwater. The chick calls up one of the technical guys, cuz she can't press a few buttons herself, orders the channel flagged/deleted and also to start changing the algorithm for keywords like "PUA INFIELD" and then you start a fire.

It's just people making decisions on a micro-level (fuck THIS channel and THAT channel) or macro-level (algorithmic changes that results in unfair strikes/deletions).

And who are these people?

Nerds. And, usually, nerds with a very interest set of political and social beliefs, who also believe themselves a higher breed of intellect (and, to be fair, some of them probably do have a decent IQ....some of them).

Or....wahman with a chip on their shoulder.

Or wahman with no skills at all and just use their pussy to get power.

Once you start from those assumptions, a lot makes sense.

Cucks gonna cuck.

Bitter wahman gonna be bitter and hate everyone.

And manipulative women gonna cuck the cucks.

Total shitshow.

Look no further than the TwitchThotApocalypse going on right now. Same thing is going on and the people they're banning/deleting/fighting aren't even PUA's. Just normal guys with common sense.

So PUA is healthy masculinity on steroids and we're making videos on THEIR platform about how to fuck tons of hot pussy and be a boss ass man?

Literally EVERYONE who runs that platform hates you for different reasons.

The cucks are mad you fuck their girls. The bitter women know you would fuck them and dump them or not even fuck them. And the predatory women, while attracted to you, know that you know their game and wouldn't fall for their shit.

I don't mind PUA going back underground, like Chase said.

Be smart enough with our words and choices to avoid news headlines, but still speak truth, and have a grand old time.

Money and pussy for everybody.

Hector
 

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An interesting thought.

The problem now with PUA's and manosphere guys getting up and arms about this stuff is they're blowing it out of proportion. The women writing these articles are sensationalists. That's their job. Then we add gasoline to the fire.

Sure, keep people informed, but at some point you're making it bigger than it is.

Sure, women will read that article and go "eww that's creepy," cuz groupthink, but 90% of women have NO problem with a guy approaching them.

Cold approach is not in crisis. Women LOVE dick. They crave it.

The sky isn't falling down. Promise xD

Hector
 

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i’d say a big part of the problem also is some of the men who were doing the approaches. women like being approached by normal guys. they don’t particularly like being approached by ugly autistic men with bad hygiene.
 
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