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Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game
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lol YS I recognize your behavior because I was you in 2015-17 lol. So its kinda like speaking to my little bro. Have fun man. This is a very fun hobby and I'm glad we're on the same sideI'll try not to shit on you anymore, because I love your passion for the game.
Velasco, I really don't know you but I see that you are someone who doesn't like to learn, is filled with extremely limiting beliefs, not well read in PU theory/evolutionary biology and extremely close minded. I don't know why you are so condesending, never defend your points well, always strawman, move your goalposts, only respond to certain lines you want to respond to or not but you probably might be the worst person I've ever come across to argue a point. Literally.
Either you're not arguing with good faith at all or have extreme ego defense mechanisms. Maybe both.
I hope we come to see eye to eye in the future.
Read back this thread in a few years man.
You will see literally every single person with some experience in-field doesn't think the way you do.
Don't read my posts, I've only went into this thread 2 days. Just 2. Spent a few hours, responded to people. (Mainly 4 people, you, greenleaf, pinpin and now BigPapa) Other people were more or less aligned / compatible with my ideas.
Read;
- Skills
- Razorjack
- Bacchus
- Teevster
- Gunwitch
- Chrance
Really...
Why are you so blind?
It's nice that your ideas create a reality in your head that gets you laid.
I really don't want to break that. I actually thought to myself should I post this a few times lol.
That's probably why you never respond to (or even acknowledge) anything that clashes with your reality.
I get it. Gotta defend that shit. It got you this far, right?
I feel myself getting sucked into the same energy.
Definitely, I'm way too invested into this thread. (Getting those dem notifications before I could close the damn forum LOL.)
You remind me of my days in Berlin. If you ever come to a place, change your scene/identity or that you would become incompatible with the people where you actively need attraction PM me, I'll help you out.
Truly, no bullshit. I will.
Peace out bro.
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Haha, I dunno man. The guy literally never responds to anything from anyone but just says what he wants to say.
Actually what he does is a great skill for frame control infield but it's terrible for a good faith argument in a forum on an important topic.
I hope to meet these worst people to argue soon!
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You can create a re-action out of thin air.
I’ve tried reading through this thread like five times, I get stuck on trying to get past page six.
Can you get a reaction from women?????? I can.
New Game Vs Old Game
Alpha Vs Beta Vs Omega
Inner Game Vs Outergame
Online Game Vs Day Game
We go back to New Game and Old Game. What I believe this thread was about.
The new game I haven’t been practicing as much, for the year or two sedfast was dead I hung up my PUA hat and sort of basked in life.
I spent most of my time these last two years just sitting at bars drinking apple cider. Became a regular,
New game *[For the average person] is paying more money for less value. I only realized it after Covid because I walked into a Starbucks and now the staff ask me how much milk and sugar I want in my coffee.
New game for players is pretty much an extra shit test here AND after Covid *[Which has changed the game] we will see less packed bars, clubs etc.....A lot more women to be single and ready to mingle.
Yeah, I've experienced it as well.
Makes me wonder why I should even bother posting. Feels like a huge waste of time when you have to put more effort into cleaning up the pollution than moving new ideas forward.
I'm thinking if I have some thoughts, why bother with the shit-show. I'd rather just discuss them with a few guys like Teevster, Baachus, Skills, Gunwitch and Chase in private or offline.
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i think it's a big mistake to say that just because a girl is red or yellow she is better looking on average and more intelligent. the greens i get are on chancellors lists, extremely successful professionals, and very attractive (imo)I like girls with attitude & picante , and this usually are more on the yellow towards red spectrum of things . This are , based on my experience , better looking on average and more intellectual , but for validation the green ones are what you need
It just feels good when you put your hands in a girl that has attitude and slam her into the bed , you feel like a proper man , close to our natural being , cave man style haha
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Yeah her color to you, has nothing to do with how attractive she is on the 1-10 scale. See the discussion about going for an 'easy' 8 over a 'time consuming' 10.
Yep! Weird but true. The hottest girl I've ever banged (the teenager I think I wrote about in one of my FR's?) was a huge green! On the same night I was getting rejected hard by a few chubby 6's despite using all the tech here, and then I 'met eyes' with this girl who was my idea of an 8-9 and she walked up to me, said 'hi', and we were kissing within maybe 20 seconds. Then rubbed her pussy and stuff near the bar (lol) and banged her at her parents house
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having this false belief that reds and yellows are automatically more attractive will stunt ur growth
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I'll make this very simple so we can move on from this discussion. I said to me 'reds' are girls who are either or a combination of: Not physically attracted to you (this one you can tell immediately via her subconscious facial expression to you upon approach. This is the kind of reaction an ugly person (even if he's styled his hair in the fuckboy haircut like you recommended to him, works out, and dresses "high status"), is all too familiar with. Maybe you guys should go out cold approaching sometime with a facially unattractive wingman, so you can see for yourself the reactions he typically gets on a night out (not saying he'll never get laid via cold approach. Because there do exists 'greens' who won't find him ugly) if you were lucky in the genetic lottery (you would rate yourself a 7+) and don't typically receive that kind of reaction yourself. Because this is a perspective you simply will not understand, if you aren't ugly yourself) or not sexually available to you (has a guy who fulfills her sexual needs and she's obsessed with him - for an SNL, our biggest value proposition is going in with the lover frame...where you communicate (non-verbally and verbally via frames) that you will fulfill her unmet sexual needs that her boring husband or borefriend fails to provide...but what if the guy she's with does satisfy her sexual needs?) Those you can't flip.
And then I said there are your 'reds' that are flippable. Those who do find you attractive, but are just in a bad mood, where she's not really open to talking to anyone, upon you approaching her. I believe YS posted a Field Report where the girl he approached wasn't feeling him, but because her friends did like him and even encouraged her to lighten up. Via that social proof, he was able to win her over.
Then I said that approaching (or being approached by) a girl, after displaying preselection/social proof, in front of a girl who potentially might be a red is legit. But at that point...she's not really a red, as Skills said, which I agreed with. I have lay reports I've written were this was the case. Because of that social proof/preselection, I was able to get the attention of a girl that probably wouldn't have given me the time had I approached her first.
Then there were guys here who relayed tales of sleeping with a girl, who initially blew him off the first night/day they met (either because they weren't sexually available the day they met them or for some other factor). And then I said, via the mere exposure effect, with time spent over the long haul, continuously displaying attractive behavior around her, there'll come that time where she'll flip for ya. The problem is...this wasn't the question being asked. As the majority of cold approachers here are interested in flipping 'reds' that night or the following day2. Not several weeks/months from now. To Razorjack this would seem like a waste of his precious time. As he'd rather lay an 'easy' hot girl. than go on several dates with a 'time consuming' hot girl. Which I don't see the problem with.
So you can see, we all agree on all these points (the social proof method is not 100% bulletproof, but it def works)...not so close minded afterall, ay? Where we disagree is where you approach a red, while she's a red (that of the unflippable kind: your physically unattractive to her/she's not sexually available. 0 attraction. 0 compliance), turning that around, and banging her that night. Bacchus suggests curiosity gambits and open loops (which have been field tested by me (the open loops) and someone who messaged me via PM, that doesn't want to comment on this thread, because he's afraid he'll get banned for going against the tribe elders in this thread), while Teevster suggests sex talk. but when I asked to provide an example of this, I did not receive a response on how'd he go about hooking a 'red' this way, when she's being non-compliant.
Couldn't he have used sex talk to hook the non-compliant girl in this report:
No eye contact whatsoever from the girls. That sucked. So I tried to deliver a quick line.
“I love this place. Despite being so cold outside, it has a lot of warm people, so I guess it balances things out.”
One of the girls responded with a nod, signaling “cool story bro.” Ouch, didn’t go as planned.
So what did I do? I escaped ASAP. Again, you do not want to make the rejection official, as this can damage your social proof. You don’t want girls to make a public scene.
Note that:
I quickly moved back to one of those “no-see zones” and looked for a new target.
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And then I said there are your 'reds' that are flippable. Those who do find you attractive, but are just in a bad mood, where she's not really open to talking to anyone, upon you approaching her. I believe YS posted a Field Report where the girl he approached wasn't feeling him, but because her friends did like him and even encouraged her to lighten up. Via that social proof, he was able to win her over.
Then I said that approaching (or being approached by) a girl, after displaying preselection/social proof, in front of a girl who potentially might be a red is legit. But at that point...she's not really a red, as Skills said, which I agreed with. I have lay reports I've written were this was the case. Because of that social proof/preselection, I was able to get the attention of a girl that probably wouldn't have given me the time had I approached her first.
Then there were guys here who relayed tales of sleeping with a girl, who initially blew him off the first night/day they met (either because they weren't sexually available the day they met them or for some other factor). And then I said, via the mere exposure effect, with time spent over the long haul, continuously displaying attractive behavior around her, there'll come that time where she'll flip for ya. The problem is...this wasn't the question being asked. As the majority of cold approachers here are interested in flipping 'reds' that night or the following day2. Not several weeks/months from now. To Razorjack this would seem like a waste of his precious time. As he'd rather lay an 'easy' hot girl. than go on several dates with a 'time consuming' hot girl. Which I don't see the problem with.
So you can see, we all agree on all these points (the social proof method is not 100% bulletproof, but it def works)...not so close minded afterall, ay? Where we disagree is where you approach a red, while she's a red (that of the unflippable kind: your physically unattractive to her/she's not sexually available. 0 attraction. 0 compliance), turning that around, and banging her that night. Bacchus suggests curiosity gambits and open loops (which have been field tested by me (the open loops) and someone who messaged me via PM, that doesn't want to comment on this thread, because he's afraid he'll get banned for going against the tribe elders in this thread), while Teevster suggests sex talk. but when I asked to provide an example of this, I did not receive a response on how'd he go about hooking a 'red' this way, when she's being non-compliant.
Couldn't he have used sex talk to hook the non-compliant girl in this report:
No eye contact whatsoever from the girls. That sucked. So I tried to deliver a quick line.
“I love this place. Despite being so cold outside, it has a lot of warm people, so I guess it balances things out.”
One of the girls responded with a nod, signaling “cool story bro.” Ouch, didn’t go as planned.
So what did I do? I escaped ASAP. Again, you do not want to make the rejection official, as this can damage your social proof. You don’t want girls to make a public scene.
Note that:
- I did not face them. I just tossed in and opener from a 45 degree angle. This way, I am not overly intruding. This kind of removes their options of bursting out in bitchiness or making a scene. I did not engage, after all, I just threw a line in to test the waters. This is a good strategy when it comes down to opening in situations like this (people everywhere, no social proof).
- I leave ASAP whenever the waters are cold. This way, I don’t come off as needy, and I avoid triggering a rejection.
I quickly moved back to one of those “no-see zones” and looked for a new target.
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That's a really important point, if they already have a fulfilling LTR partner. Whether thats night game or day game that you meet them. They may have a partner, and thats why, or one reason why, my thread summary was that only sometimes you can flip a red, not always.
That said, with people talking about hypnosis, and also sphere of influence, would those be enough to flip a red[SNL or over a few dates] even if they're fulfilled at home? My guess is the answer is no since , I don't think anyone? has said all or even most reds can be flipped, but asking anyways.
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lol girls in clubs give HOT GUYS the subconscious look of disgust you are mentioning as a sign of a “true red”. Hence why the concept is useless. HOT GUYS get that look too. From the perspective of these guys, they just got shot down all while being good looking dudes. this “subconscious look of disgust” is NOT 100% proof of impossibility to lay, it is only evidence. And if there isn’t 100% certainty, then she is NOT a true red, which is why there’s a scale, since knowing completely is also not possible.
You can define a “red” as whatever you want.
Red = girl you don’t have sex with (subjective)
Red = girl too impractical to have sex with (subjective)
Red = girl impossible to have sex with (impossible to 100% prove. Only girls you can meet and not have sex with are dead ones)
And a green likewise.
It’s all goal post moving and semantics battling
“No, she wasn’t a true red, just a hidden yellow lol” <== this shit is notruescotsman101. Redefining a concept when it is convenient. You have done this a lot @Velasco and you will continue to do it. But it’s not your fault, since the concepts themselves lend themselves to being easily redefined.
Maybe the use of the light system should be discouraged since as a framework it adds nothing new to anyone’s lives - literally just synonyms for “csnt fuck”, “maybe can fuck” and “definitely can fuck” or whatever you find useful.
You are basing a “true red” off of physical attractiveness, all while hot guys get the same look of disgust as ugly guys. So you need to move the goal post again. Please, use another phenomena. You then base a “true red” off of sexual availability, all while girls lie about their relationship situation or cheat on their boyfriends.
All your criteria for whether she is a “true red” are 100% based off your gut feeling, the same gut feeling guys get when they see a set and say “no, she’d just shoot me down”. You’re trying to take your gut feeling and apply it to everyone on earth - “bro, if u approach and you see these signs, then you had 0 chance with her; if you can’t see them, then you just need more infield experience.” Lmao you need to do at least 100,000 approaches till you can be a licensed mind reader
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This is also my last post in this thread. Expect more redefining, no true Scotsman, and goal post moving past this point. If you are a reader, then the primary lesson you should glean is that attraction/compliance can be created, and that it is not easy to do, and that is all
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Its if SHE finds YOU ugly. Just that traditionally ugly guys on average get this look way more often than traditionally good looking guys. This doesnt mean traditionally good looking guys NEVER get looks of disgust from girls. Capish?
Girls dont around SNL random dudes when they in love with their man ("the only girl you cant get is a girl that's in love with her man" - YaReally). Girls cheat on their boyfriend? Obviously. Ref experience lol
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True , but unless you do not use social proof and preselection ( mind you this is more on the long game side of things ) , looks ( a combination between posture , how good-looking you are , height , posture , etc ) is the only thing that you have .
In terms of guys who have good looks , the disgusted look might mean also a shit test ( to check if he is the real deal or not ) , while for the ugly looks guy it is super likely that it just means disinterest . In my particular case , I never had a girl give me the disgust look and not find me attractive , so this is why my theory is that usually this type of look from a girl is actually a shit test , and that girls in general do not make eye contact or even look at guys who they do not find at least somehow attractive , unless the guy in question really does something super socially awkward or just being super annoying to the girl in question
Again , I am talking only from my experience
EDIT :: But being able to pull out a girl like the one mentioned above , does it really qualify her as being a true red ? I mean yes , I can consider her a red and have a big ego boost by saying that I pull out reds whenever I want , but in reality she was more yellowish from the get go and just shit testing me to see if it is anything else besides my look ( mind you , she does not know you , so what would be the fastest way to have a taste on how you are if not by giving you a shit test that most guys fail )
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@YS. you look like a cool and smart guy so i think this can be settled only via a social experiment .
If you will look like a homeless guy ( basically having to create attraction from thin air ) and manage to at least get out on a date a good looking girl , then all this talk will end and you will be a victorioso
As I mentioned, I am not going to debate people's limiting beliefs any further. But I felt like I had to mention that Iamthrfuture (not Future from love systems) was a good pua who happened to be homeless.
I will also state that pua "GoneSavage" (Jason Savage) was also technically homeless as he was living in his car. I remember reading his mASF archive where he was pulling girls to their place in order to primarily take a shower....
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One thing is to be a hobo from a technical point of view ( because people do not know that you are a hobo unless you explicitly tell them ) , a totally different thing is to look like a hobo ( if you look like a hobo , it means that you are hobo , otherwise you would not look like a hobo - at least this is how most people think ) .
We could argue about this kind of things all day long , but at the end no one is really adding anything of value or essence to the thread , unless of course one of the "elders" comes with a practical guide on how to create attraction from thin air , and out of the goodness of his heart to share it with the rest of the mortals .
Me personally , I am really interested , to see if it is possible to create attraction from thin air without social proof & preselection ( basically going long game ) , and most importantly if you already used social proof & preselection and she is still not being warm what to do in order to move her towards the green area of the spectrum .
If the only way to move a red to green is via social proof & preselection , then all this back and forth was really for nothing , and a big waste of time
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What's really the point though? That I cannot fully understand. If you are making yourself an attractive guy and tightening your fundamentals, you will get women who are interested in you and some will be good looking. Why not just go for women who are either interested in you or neutral at best? Why go through all this stuff just so you can win over a woman who would initially not be interested in you?
Shit, I rather save my best for the women who are interested in me or can be won over. It's like running for President of the United States as a Democrat and spending your efforts campaigning in Mississippi when states like Massachusetts are already in your favor and Florida and Ohio can realistically be won. Why waste so much energy on women who are going to take extra work to win?
Even if you do win over women who are not interested, here is what you actually did:
1. Waste probably more time and resources that could have been spent on women, hot ones at that, who would have been interested.
2. You have to still live with the fact that only after you used all the brilliant tactics offered did she fall for you, fuck that, I rather save my best for my very own market.
3. Even after that exception to her rule, she will see you as some dude she made that mistake with and move on.
Even if some of what I said above is not true, why waste your fuggin time on women who are just not that interested in you when there are plenty of cool hot girls that are?
Maybe it is an ego thing for guys but when you realize that you are having to do so much to get girls not into you to be with you, should it really be an ego boost? A guy of her type can easily walk into that pussy.
Maybe it is a types thing like with Asian guys loving hot blondes, in that case just be as hot as possible and some girls of your type will fall into your lap.
I just don't get why you waste your time on this sort of thing if you are a man with options.
Shit, I rather save my best for the women who are interested in me or can be won over. It's like running for President of the United States as a Democrat and spending your efforts campaigning in Mississippi when states like Massachusetts are already in your favor and Florida and Ohio can realistically be won. Why waste so much energy on women who are going to take extra work to win?
Even if you do win over women who are not interested, here is what you actually did:
1. Waste probably more time and resources that could have been spent on women, hot ones at that, who would have been interested.
2. You have to still live with the fact that only after you used all the brilliant tactics offered did she fall for you, fuck that, I rather save my best for my very own market.
3. Even after that exception to her rule, she will see you as some dude she made that mistake with and move on.
Even if some of what I said above is not true, why waste your fuggin time on women who are just not that interested in you when there are plenty of cool hot girls that are?
Maybe it is an ego thing for guys but when you realize that you are having to do so much to get girls not into you to be with you, should it really be an ego boost? A guy of her type can easily walk into that pussy.
Maybe it is a types thing like with Asian guys loving hot blondes, in that case just be as hot as possible and some girls of your type will fall into your lap.
I just don't get why you waste your time on this sort of thing if you are a man with options.
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I never noticed the face shapes and facial features thing until you mentioned it but here is what I do notice a ton about couples, opposites attract with looks most of the times, especially if the woman is hot. Most blonde bombshells I see or even natural blondes that look good do not go for blond men, they prefer dark haired guys, usually white themselves. I have never seen a hot redhead go for a redhead guy, ever in my life, it makes me wonder how redheads continue to exist but maybe at some point in history a hot redhead fucked a redheaded man.
A lot of naturals I knew who were blond haired had way more luck with women that were either not white or white women that leaned more on the darker end of the scale as well. I see it a lot where a dimepiece with that more Shannon Elizabeth guy goes for a paler guy, even forum members like @Sprezzatura and @naturalmikey mentioned being dark haired white guys and struggling with women of that look while blondes showered them with attention.
As someone who is white but with black hair, I get way too much attention from natural blondes (blonde bombshells less so) and gingers will not leave me alone but I've had tough run-ins with women who can pass for family.