Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

[Skills]

@Tank .

EDIT :: Now to be frank , since I evolved a lot from a financial point of view while keeping more or less the same game (funny &cocky & intellectual ) , I face a shitload of auto rejection ( thank you @Razorjack for helping me to find the main cause root ) , so from a game perspective money only made things worse for me as my game did not change accordingly

^ this actually happens to a lot of guys (i have my theories)...Curious of Razorjack explanation, link it

 

[BigPapa]

@Skills my problem is actually that I do not really adapt what I say based on the girl , meaning that I say whatever pumps in my head without really thinking if she will get offended or not ( because this is how I am in general as a person , and sucked a lot of corporate dick because of it at work haha , but this only made me want to be better ) , so while a super good looking girl that has in a circle a lot of high value guys would start laughing and flirt , a still good looking girl that has a normal life would just get offended .

Let me give you an example of more or less the same thing I said to two different girls :

1. The one with a high selection of high value men & good looking

Her : This guy bought me the latest Iphone -> giggling
Me : So basically you are whore -> laughing
Her : So you are saying you would not buy me a the new iphone if we would be a couple ? -> giggling
Me : Honey , the maximum that I would give you is an STD -> laughing
Her : You are such a pig -> laughing

2. The one living a normal life & good looking

Her : Some girls would date a guy to get that new Iphone , I can not understand them -> normal face
Me : At least we know that you are not a whore -> laughing & and giving her a warm hug
Her : So you think that I am whore ? -> frown face
Me : Wait , what ? -> confused face
Her : You just said that I am whore -> mad face
Me : I said that I think it is pathetic to date someone only because he buys you stuff , life it is just way more than some shitty material things -> normal face
Her : Go fuck yourself , you just went out with me because you thought that I am slut and you could buy me -> angry face
*** leaves ***

### this is just an extreme example , I rarely to almost never go on this extreme with normal girls ###


My theory is that since you are perceived as higher value guy compared to her other options , she is more sensitive to what you say or do , and in order not to trigger the auto rejection you have to be super gentle with her at the beginning till her inner self adjusts to the new belief that she is attractive for higher value guys . In addition to this she unconsciously frames you directly to a boyfriend - girlfriend dynamic and is almost impossible to brake out of it . But yeah , would be great to get some other guys opinion about this

I mean if a homeless person would come to you and tell you something really offensive directed at you , you would not really take him seriously because he is at the lowest step of society and just start laughing

 

[Skills]

Curious of Razorjack explanation, link it

@BigPapa where is razor jack link to the answer?

 

[BigPapa]

@BigPapa where is razor jack link to the answer?

@BigPapa

I hear what you're saying, this happens unintentionally and I can definitely relate to your situation.

When you're seen as "high value", (and you are) the last thing you should be doing is talking about yourself or your life, with the exception if you are doing it in self-deprecating way. Your focus should be on where she is at emotionally and what she is feeling so you can adapt going forward.

I'll give you one example, when I was out with Teevster in Copenhagen. We went to one of his favorite night clubs full of girls in their 20s. When I go out, I have no issue blowing 100s -1000€ on a night out. I don't do this to show off, but girls can perceive it that way.

There was one hot girl that was saying how I was showing off with all my money and I responded with

"Nah, I'm just lucky. Money is definitely not a measure of a person's value. I actually admire and respect someone who does what they believe in and serves society, like a nurse or teacher, even though they get the shittiest salaries. I think they are so underappreciated, what do you think?"

Her face completely lit up as she went into stories about her opinion. You see the last thing I did was have the focus on me, I sensed (read: empathized with her) that she saw my value as being so far above hers (unattainable) that she was ready to auto-reject me. I needed to raise her value by saying something that would resonate with her situation.



This is what I meant about lacking empathy or not being able to read her emotions. This is a skill that can be developed, but you need to spend some time developing it, so you don't end up saying something inappropriate at the wrong time.

 

[Velasco]

2. The one living a normal life & good looking

Her : Some girls would date a guy to get that new Iphone , I can not understand them -> normal face
Me : At least we know that you are not a whore -> laughing & and giving her a warm hug
Her : So you think that I am whore ? -> frown face
Me : Wait , what ? -> confused face
Her : You just said that I am whore -> mad face
Me : I said that I think it is pathetic to date someone only because he buys you stuff , life it is just way more than some shitty material things -> normal face
Her : Go fuck yourself , you just went out with me because you thought that I am slut and you could buy me -> angry face

This is why I screen girls out who dont get my sense of humor.

Why change who you are, walk on eggshells, just to please some silly girl?

 

[Skills]

@BigPapa I have a different take we cover it here: https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...those-of-you-that-complain-about-money.21900/

 

[BigPapa]

This is why I screen girls out who dont get my sense of humor.

Why change who you are, walk on eggshells, just to please some silly girl?

Because the normal type of girls help you on the stability part , and help you order your life . My life for the last couple of years is as messy as the room of student living in the dorm building haha. This is mainly due to the type of people that I interact with

 

[Tank]

I never said you need money to get girls in poor countries. I said that for the hottest girls, in poor countries, it is often the case that if you do a form of game that involves her making a conscious choice, as in not a sdl snl scenario, then often she will say no out of the social frame of requiring a certain level of status.

Obviously there are exceptions, girls in alternative social beliefs, girls you pick up quickly, 7s and below etc.

In the West money is never really a social consideration. For 8+s the social requirements more about if you're in the right fraternity, or hang out with djs etc

 

[Rain]

To summarize the thread so far, many high ranking members claim a red can be flipped and there are some examples, but its very advanced. Only some red can be converted, and some red cannot be converted, it comes down to xyz circumstances[don't know what these are, I'm a bit short on time to reread the thread right now]. Correct?

 

[BigPapa]

I never said you need money to get girls in poor countries. I said that for the hottest girls, in poor countries, it is often the case that if you do a form of game that involves her making a conscious choice, as in not a sdl snl scenario, then often she will say no out of the social frame of requiring a certain level of status.

Obviously there are exceptions, girls in alternative social beliefs, girls you pick up quickly, 7s and below etc.

In the West money is never really a social consideration. For 8+s the social requirements more about if you're in the right fraternity, or hang out with djs etc

@Tank from the time you meet this hot girl from a 3rd world country , till you have sex with her a couple of times , I just do not see when she will know for sure that you have money or not , as you are escalating all the time and being a sexy guy. If you talk about money and similar kind of things , it means that basically you are doing things that people here advise you to not do ( because it is just better to go with the lover frame & then switch to boyfriend one - less of a hassle & less competition ) .

 

[Velasco]

I'm a bit short on time to reread the thread right now

I'll help. Start on page 9 and then come to your own conclusions (dont favor somebody's comments over another member on this matter solely because of their rank. Trust your gut instead).

 

[Chrance]

@Velasco if there are a limited number of chicks, and you want success, then you have no choice but to change. Screening alone won’t help when there’s high competition and few women to screen

Also, you changing your sense of humor is not you changing who you are. Adapting your behavior is not changing your “self”. You are not your humor basically.

 

[Skills]

I'll help. Start on page 9 and then come to your own conclusions (dont favor somebody's comments over another member on this matter solely because of their rank. Trust your gut instead).

You are so wrong on this one, it has nothing to do with RANK, it has to do with FIELD EXPERIENCE.... aka guys that have experience flipping red at one point or another....

"gut" is not how we work in the community.....

 

[Velasco]

@Chrance
I want girls who I want in my life. As well as guys as close friends. I have been close friends with guys who I constantly had to be careful not to offend them. When with other people they easily can tell I'm fucking around. Just as with girls. It's not about meet to lay ratio. It's about bring someone into your life because you want them in your life and they want to be a part of your life.

 

[BigPapa]

I am actually surprised @Velasco that you are capable of saying such deep things hahaha

 

[Velasco]

You are so wrong on this one, it has nothing to do with RANK, it has to do with FIELD EXPERIENCE.... aka guys that have experience flipping red at one point or another....

90% of the guys on this thread that commented has at least 5+ years of field experience (later in the comments guys with less experience got into it). I'm telling rain to come to his own conclusions after reading the comments. And listen to his gut. Rather than hmm that sounds plausible. Guys get into a lot of trouble because things make sense (that's why you believe it in the first place. Cause it makes sense to you. You wouldn't believe something if it literally made no sense to you, would you?) even tho that's not always how it works out in reality.

 

[Velasco]

@Rain

Reds

for me reds are girls who are either or a combination of

Not physically attracted to you or not sexually available to you (has a guy who fulfills her sexual needs and she's obsessed with him) those you can't flip. However, there are also girls who are just in a bad mood (which has nothing to do with you) which classify as reds, that I believe are flippable

"There's girls in the venue, that are gonna be red for you, that means that there's no chance on earth that you're gonna make them want to be with you"
"My advice to most of you that are listening to this, is that stop talking to yellow girls. go for the green girls. there's a lot of green girls. you just haven't noticed them yet. just keep approaching" - Pablo "Pelusita" Garcia

There will be girls in the venue that nothing you say will make them want to be with you. Doesn't mean ya can't fuck them at another point in time in the future via multiple dates. Which would to many guys here be a "waste of time". Especially when you're trying to get an SNL.

Red can be converted 2 ways:

- long game

- short game with framing/set ups in a way that she does not really come up to you as a red she has falling into an invisible trap .... (but one can argue she is not really a red at this point)

Playing devil's advocate on this (not that I agree with @flatron reply because there isn't an argument to anything you discussed) he mentioned if a girl thinks your ugly it's game over which isn't totally wrong. The argument I will put forward to this using your epilogue is you said this lesbian girl gave you time off day. This gives you an opportunity to use your verbal game and other techniques.

If she didn't give you time off day and walked off it wouldn't have been possible

Compliance game could be run because they gave time of day, if they ignored them or walked away it couldn't have happened.

Regardless of where her attraction or compliance-levels are at. . . if she hasn't walked off yet she might decide to hear you out.

You can seduce any girl that will give you the opportunity. Without an opportunity the best techniques in the world won't be any use.

My theory is that the reds that you manage to move on the green side of the spectrum already had an initial attraction towards you ( high or low , this is very difficult to quantify ) , just that either they were not in a good mood when you first met them , either they were just trying to DHV in their social circle , either were shit testing you from the beginning . If this was not the case , they would just not give you the time & space to have a chance to win them over . I mean as an example , you will not give your time & space to a girl that you find ugly , but you might give the time & space to a girl that you might find at least somehow attractive.

And Razorjack, who I did not quote in this comment, like me, doesnt bother with reds because they are a waste of time.

 

[Skills]

@Rain

Reds


And Razorjack, who I did not quote in this comment, like me, doesnt bother with reds because they are a waste of time.

I don't bother with reds either...

and here is were i disagree with gunwitch, if i interpret correctly gunwitch say "i like reds cause i want to challenge myself etc.. more advance, not sure if bachhus stands is similar or teevester...

I totally believe the more advance you are the less you want to deal with reds, .... But hey that is just me...

 

[BigPapa]

I like girls with attitude & picante , and this usually are more on the yellow towards red spectrum of things . This are , based on my experience , better looking on average and more intellectual , but for validation the green ones are what you need

It just feels good when you put your hands in a girl that has attitude and slam her into the bed , you feel like a proper man , close to our natural being , cave man style haha

 

[Velasco]

like girls with attitude & picante , and this usually are more on the yellow towards red spectrum of things

Yes. By virtue of shit testing you, they are in essence, giving you an opportunity to game them