Going back to the main thrust of the 1st post.
Yes you can convert. And from a normie/blue pill world, conversion is not only possible, it's the norm. Instant attraction is the rare thing.
Couple being interviewed.
Guy - I knew she was the one for me.
Girl - I hated him when I met him.
I don't think the girl is lying about her first impression. I don't think she's trying to save face, which is how her statement of dislike is usually interpreted by people that don't believe in conversion. "She's just saying that, but she liked him deep down".
She didn't like him. And most guys would be deterred by her reluctance or apathy.
Yet her continued exposure to his behavior is what changes her tune.
I've seen this happen to me. It's happened to both guys and girls in my social circle. In America at least, it's part of the cultural narrative. This is the norm. In contemporary seduction circles, the norm is not the norm. It's some impossibility. Their parents are lying to them.
When you think about it, initial disgust/reluctance/hate is baseline.
This is much like hearing a song on the radio, hating it, and then hearing it again and starting to enjoy it. Food that you didn't like, you know enjoy. (Kimchi, Blue Cheese, Cantaloupe, For me)
With a lot of newbs, and apparently some vets, they have this idea that like/dislike, attraction/unattraction is just binary. On or off.
That's clearly not the case in everyday life.
No's get turned to yes's in the business and political arena, EVERY DAY. People often fight for the chance to make bad decisions, to put themselves in a worse health/financial position after being swayed.
So a girl going from disliking you, or not even noticing you, to actively liking you is not rare.
With pickup, it's been about understanding that process, and speeding it up.
That said, I personally find it harder and harder to actually get "true conversion" game, where I can find a truly non-interested girl.
They all seem to be somewhat interested. 1 on a scale of 1-100. I can't think of a time that i've dealt with a 0. Even a -1, i see in absolute value. The fact that she's having an emotional/instinctual reaction is promising to me.
As PUAs and players, we have improved our conventional attraction markers (looks, money, status), put ourselves in social situations, grown great interpersonal social skills, and have keen eyes for nonverbal reaction. What a rookie might see as a chick not being into him, we see a girl that is.
Rookie - "She's giving me a shit test, better say something funny and move past it"
Vet - "She's giving me a shit test, she's checking if I'm okay to bang"
On top of that, (maybe it's an old school perspective)but I believe most girls would rather be fucking. Sex is a biological function. Like sleeping and eating. She'd rather be doing those things too.
And if she could find a situation where she could get some vitamin D from a guy she likes, without all of the social AND EMOTIONAL baggage, she would do it.
There's a hot magma under that dress, and I'm the sort of guy to turn her into a volcano and release the lava.
My only real job during the interaction is getting past her very low bar of acceptability (not smell like I'm homeless), getting her involved in a pleasant and exciting conversation, building the trust, handling the social obstacles, and then uncovering the fire within.
This is probably just a useful fiction that keeps me going. It's a confirmation bias that helps me to succeed. I will fully admit to that. Probably not good enough for the seduction academics here. There's no real way for me to know.
So from where I stand, "true reds" and really "winning a girl over", "truly seducing her" - is a statistical anomaly.
I am not one of those men that women lust after when they see a photograph. I'm probably less impressive in person.
But then we start talking. I'm hilarious. And 5 minutes later, I'm kinda cute.
WIA
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