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@Teevster
Yea, I don’t want anyone to think that a persons entire personality can be completely changed. Definitely not true. The existence of homosexuality and other sexualities is enough to understand this. And in the context of game it is true there are girls that won’t like you no matter what you do.
What I’m trying to synthesize is some basic things that happen infield:
1.) hot guys get blown out just like ugly guys though looks do give more leeway sometimes
2.) a girl can like you and you can have 0 idea she’s interested
3.) people’s minds and focus are manipulated on a moment by moment basis
4.) a girls initial response is not definite proof of her mental state, personality or capacity to sexually desire you
5.) indirect approaching or different forms of approaching outside of pure direct are generally more effective
6.) people’s minds can change
7.) you can experience more or less desire for someone the more you know them (happens in ltrs)
8.) some women won’t like you no matter what <== this is where I see base attraction residing
9.) easier opening chicks when there’s fewer competition (means opening the same amount but in a venue with fewer dudes it is generally easier and more AIs in general)
10.) doing more stimulating things or behaving more calmly and cooly makes hooking easier
Notice that no one really debates or disagrees with the above. Instead we only see relabeling or reframing, which in an in person context works but online becomes obvious fast. “Oh, so now this is what’s a true red. She has a certain facial expression, the same one hot guys get. Ah ha. I see” imo the use of “red/yellow/blue/whatever” should be replaced with simple clear language like “she showed no interest” or “too impractical to keep going or trying”, this makes it clear what a persons is claiming about their failed or successful approach.
Now, one beneficial thing I’ve learned through this whole exercise is this: screening in a competitive environment (lots of dudes) with few options is not far removed from playing the numbers game. In such environments you have even less reason to think your physical attractiveness is a factor or that her base attraction was a factor. Screening is just a more time efficient way of mass approaching, so you don’t waste time with girls who are a pain in the ass. In competitive environments you have no choice but deal with pain in the ass chicks, so simply saying “ehh she wasn’t sexually available” or “damn she totally ignored me” isn’t enough.
@Velasco
That link, though informal, does not contradict this statement: “women value physical attractiveness less than men”. It only implies that women value physical attractiveness more than their fathers/parents do.
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Actually, IOI and IOD are great terms by themselves. “She gave an ioi” or “she gave an iod”. You are saying “she behaved a certain way which is an indicator for X”. No jumping to conclusions about her psychology or base attraction.
Yea, I don’t want anyone to think that a persons entire personality can be completely changed. Definitely not true. The existence of homosexuality and other sexualities is enough to understand this. And in the context of game it is true there are girls that won’t like you no matter what you do.
What I’m trying to synthesize is some basic things that happen infield:
1.) hot guys get blown out just like ugly guys though looks do give more leeway sometimes
2.) a girl can like you and you can have 0 idea she’s interested
3.) people’s minds and focus are manipulated on a moment by moment basis
4.) a girls initial response is not definite proof of her mental state, personality or capacity to sexually desire you
5.) indirect approaching or different forms of approaching outside of pure direct are generally more effective
6.) people’s minds can change
7.) you can experience more or less desire for someone the more you know them (happens in ltrs)
8.) some women won’t like you no matter what <== this is where I see base attraction residing
9.) easier opening chicks when there’s fewer competition (means opening the same amount but in a venue with fewer dudes it is generally easier and more AIs in general)
10.) doing more stimulating things or behaving more calmly and cooly makes hooking easier
Notice that no one really debates or disagrees with the above. Instead we only see relabeling or reframing, which in an in person context works but online becomes obvious fast. “Oh, so now this is what’s a true red. She has a certain facial expression, the same one hot guys get. Ah ha. I see” imo the use of “red/yellow/blue/whatever” should be replaced with simple clear language like “she showed no interest” or “too impractical to keep going or trying”, this makes it clear what a persons is claiming about their failed or successful approach.
Now, one beneficial thing I’ve learned through this whole exercise is this: screening in a competitive environment (lots of dudes) with few options is not far removed from playing the numbers game. In such environments you have even less reason to think your physical attractiveness is a factor or that her base attraction was a factor. Screening is just a more time efficient way of mass approaching, so you don’t waste time with girls who are a pain in the ass. In competitive environments you have no choice but deal with pain in the ass chicks, so simply saying “ehh she wasn’t sexually available” or “damn she totally ignored me” isn’t enough.
@Velasco
That link, though informal, does not contradict this statement: “women value physical attractiveness less than men”. It only implies that women value physical attractiveness more than their fathers/parents do.
Edit:
Actually, IOI and IOD are great terms by themselves. “She gave an ioi” or “she gave an iod”. You are saying “she behaved a certain way which is an indicator for X”. No jumping to conclusions about her psychology or base attraction.
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She didn't actually have a bf haha
