The girls who he didnt fuck, that gave him 0 initial compliance (not willing to hear him out) were reds.
Alright, but then you agree that the next step would be to make her hear him out? You would also agree that a girl who is red - not initially willing to hear him out, is not necessarily harder to pull (that is, if she has great logistics and has no hang ups around sex) then a green (who may have bad logistics, and hung around sex, etc).
Hence if we look at only attraction, her not liking you much, or not at all is not an issue. If we see it as a compliance lack (basing your traffic light system on compliance), it is more of an issue I agree, but since compliance can be built, it is fixable (all else equal).
Hence you can twist reds - if the situation allows for it. Hence context matters more than her initial attraction and even initial compliance.
This has been my point all along.
The girls who he didnt fuck, that gave him compliance (willing to hear him out) were yellows/greens (he fucked it up).
Not really.
What if that "green" was in fact a harder pull than the red, or yellow? It is not necessarily an easier pull. Not banging a green (a girl with high initial attraction or even compliance) is not necessarily caused by a fuck up. Wildcards man! they happen!
In this scenario, the 'red' will be easier to pull for someone she's attracted to (who she's a 'green' for).
This is a weird argument.
A red can have good logistics and still be a red. Good logistics is not counted. Remember the traffic light system is only there to judge either her initial compliance or attraction (depending on how you frame it). Her logistics, her views, her beliefs are not counted in.
In fact, there are tons of sexually liberated girls who you may have labelled red in the past.
There are also tons of girls you may have labelled reds in the past who may have had good logistics. The latter can only been screened for as you are further into the interaction. This also holds true for the point above.
Hence, basically, you cannot assess things such as her logistics or her value-system during the very early game, and at least not during the pre-approach.
The traffic light system is only used before the initial openers, or as you open.
Beyond that, this frame-work is totally useless. You do not use this traffic light system. It is only made to judge her level of attraction and initial compliance.
I will repeat - a girl can have 0 attraction, and not be compliant to you at all - hence a clear red according to the framework. But she may have good logistics and a liberated belief-system (easy going with sex) - and therefore also be fuckable, one you get passed the initial hoop (i.e. her giving you shit, or ignoring you).
This girl who is a red, and have everything else going for her, is fuckable.
And she will in fact be easier than a green who has shitty logistics, and not initially open to have sex with strangers.
Now one may call "greens" those who have high initial attraction/compliance, good logistics and happen to be say sexually liberated. But there are two issues here:
1. You add to the model, so much so that it loses its purpose (I do not mind scratching the mode, I initially used it as a way
2. There is no way you can find out about her logistics (you can get an idea - for example who she is with and the dynamic of her group - which in my book are constituent of "logistics") before you open, or during the early game. There is also no way you can get any clear ideas of who she is on a sexual level until you are further into the interaction. So this model is flawed.
So I guess it is better to keep the model as it is - based on how much initial attraction or compliance she has.
And it can give you good indicators!
Especially for the early game - will she be hard or easy to hook? How fast can I start escalating an sexual the conversation? How much do I need to do to just make her willing to hear me out? Those are key indicators. So the the traffic light model IS useful.
But beyond that, it has not other purpose. It does not help, and should not help define other factors (logistics, context... etc... ), factors hat we can all agree matters too.
Other forms of compliance tests will be used later on - i.e. how she responds to sex talk, escalation, how much she reciprocate and so on. But those are not always determined and coherent with her "color" of the initial traffic light system. We may screen for logistics too (it is after all, recommended)
I.e. she can be a green and respond poorly to say sex talk, or physical escalation. Vice versa, she may be a red, but as you manage to gain some compliance i.e. making her willing to hear you out, you may then set frames and up her compliance, that may in turn make willing to respond well to say sex talk, and from there, even make her consider you as a potential sex partne (that is, if the sex talk was well-calibrated and delivered properly etc)
It is the latter scenario (with the red) that people seem to have issues with - I am aware of that.
Because people ask "how can you build compliance if she is not willing to hear you out"? Well you hear out a lot of people who you are not attracted to. You hear out sometimes even boring people. But you are not boring, and YOU know how to hook people in - that's that hook game is all about. Making some people just hearing you out, does not require crazy amount of compliance.
And yes there is a long stretch between making her compliant enough to just hear you out, and sexualizing conversations. I am aware of that. I never said things were easy. I did not say the hard work was always worth it either.
But this is the beauty of indirect game - because you do not show any interest in her, until she is compliant to you. Hence you do not force her to make any calls about whether or not she likes you. She does not need to reject a guy who has not shown any or not much interested in her. A person only starts rejecting once they feel another person starts showing interest, when you do not want to.
The beauty with sex talk (the way I use it) is that I can use it without showing much or any interest (depending on the gambit). Hence I never force her to make a call about whether or not she likes me - hence I also avoid the rejections.
(PS: not saying sex talk is the only way here - but as many know, this is what works for me)
She is oftentimes willing to hear me out irrelevant of her initial attraction - since I am "just an interesting dude", talking about an interesting subject (sex). Luckily, that subject happen, to build compliance and , may even turn her on even being aware of it (i.e. covert influence).
What I need is her hearing me out.
And making a girl hear you out is not an impossible task. Far from it.
This is where hook game comes in.
The 'green' in this scenario, if she really loves you with all her heart, will tell her friends to leave her alone. Go with you back to your place (after you've dealt with her asd limiting beliefs) and may even miss her flight for you. Because your worth it. Game.
I will not deny that this girl is indeed a green.
But a girl can be a green without going as far as telling her friends to piss off and drop her flight. But it is awesome when she does!
Best,
