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Interesting day to the gym. I finally saw Ashley. I officially asked her out. As I expected you said no. She said she has a boyfriend. I thought about calling her on it but I was giving her a out anyway so I should I bust her chops. She then started grilling me about my marriage asking me if I loved my wife and if we had a good relationship. Of course I said we did. She is wondering why I would ask her out. I really didn't give her any reason. She is a smart girl. I am sure she knows why. She then said done be a stranger. I said I wouldn't. I assume she wants me as a orbiter. Funny how I have a different plan. Since I have zero investment emotionally it will be fun to ramp up the sexual talk with her. It is not really nice on my part since she is the one with the thing for me. My whole intent when I first talked to her was to gain social standing at the gym I might as well practice and add to my social there.

The next thing is much more interesting to me. From my previous entry.

Saturday at the gym there is one of the ladies that works out who has this amazing body and pretty face. I would guess she is late 20s to 30. She is working out with her significant other. He is chasing her and she does not look pleased. (I would not have noticed this before GC.) So we make eye contact. I know she has seen me before but this is the first time she has held eye contact. So I get on a machine and she gets on one in front of me. This happens 3 times. Every time she does a set she gets up and stretches right in front of me. If she would have been obvious I would have thought she was trying to get the guy jealous. She was not and he was totally clueless. This is awesome. She is giving me a show of her fine body while her boyfriend stands there totally oblivious. I have had women flirt with me in the past but I have never had women chase me this hard. It will be interesting to see where i can go with the babe. The point of this is that women are definitely taking notice of me since I have step up my fundamentals. I am amazed by how right GC is.

I introduced myself to this lady. She is working on one of the leg machines. I sit in the one next to her. I do a couple rep set then when she is in between set I speak up.

Me: Does that hurt your legs right here? (I point to my thigh above the need.) (She doesn't hear me because she is listening to music. She takes them out and I repeat myself.) Does that hurt your legs right here?
Her: Yes. If I lean back it helps.
Me: After 15 reps it burns.
Her: Try leaning back. It helps.
Me: Ok. I have seen you her before. I am SGent.
Her: I am Veronica.
Me: Veronica. I like that. Veronica like in the Archies.
Her: Yes, I get that all the time.
Me: I bet you do. I come here 4 days a weeks.
Her: I am here 6 days a week.
Me: You look like it. Your pretty buff. (I don't know if this is a good word for a girl but she is.) I have lost 60 pounds so far. I started in September.
Her: Wow. You should be proud of yourself. How are you doing.
Me: I am. I am doing good but sometimes my back hurts. (I am thinking that was stupid to bring up so I tried to down play it.) I sit at a computer and halfway through the day my back hurts. What do you do.
Her: I work at XXX (a local hair style salon chain store). I stand like this all day. (She holds up her hands like she is cutting hair.)
Me: That's cool. I bet you do alot of this and this all day long. (I do what she did with the hands and I add the talking gesture with my hand.)
Her: (She laughs and says yes.) It was really nice to meet you.
Me: You to. ( we go back to working out.)

This went way better than I expected. I thought I might get in an introduction. She was actually very attentive. Lots of eye contact and positioned herself facing me after a couple of minutes. I was actually able to do a little deep diving and got out of the gym and to her work. I definitely felt the door is open for future interaction. One final note, when I finished my set I got up and she was laying across a machine with her ass in the air. It is an amazing ass. I will be pushing for more in the future. I plan to ask her out.
 

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Seppuku -- yes the book is Real World Seduction, but it's RWS 2.0, it appears he's updated the book and added some plugs for his other products and put it online for sale, even though earlier versions are available on the web for free (maybe unofficial but I don't know). Anyway no harm in buying the up-to-date version since it only costs a dollar from here, just remember to cancel your dating academy subscription immediately afterwards as I advised earlier. I had a bit of fun with this stuff today, check out my journal for some laughs.

SGent -- nice going on talking to the girl. If I could make one criticism it's that the conversation was a bit boring. May I suggest to read the book above, it will help you to be a bit more challenging to women. And nice going with the weight loss. Well, I'm ashamed to say I stopped my diet and ate whatever I wanted for the last 1.5~2wks. The catalyst was when I hit some nightgame and partied all night and prepared various food for my guests, gradually fell off the wagon over the subsequent days, as they invited me to dinner the following day and so on. Had a bit of fun socially though. Anyway, the damage is not too bad, I didn't have any fast food or milkshakes or anything too drastic, so in that time I gained only 1kg. Now I'm back on my diet. Knowing how hard it is, I really admire your persistence SGent.

Ray
 

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Ray,

Thanks for the comment. I was wondering if using the sexual framing and talk is a good idea when you know you can not pull her at that time? Am I not setting her up for disappointment? Building anticipation and then diffusing it. I have downloaded the original version of Real World Seduction. I will give it a read.

SGent
 

Seppuku

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Hey SG,

If you make her horny, you will have to escalate right away, otherwise you will make her extremely frustrated and may not be given a second chance to see her.

Nowadays I wouldn't engage into hot action if I know I won't pull immediately after. I have learned it by losing many. In my journal, Carmelita (26 September 2014), Nola (May 6) and probably Carla (August 15) are perfect illustrations. BTW check Ray's comment on Carmelita, he was spot on. I think I was not aware of my own ability to make them super horny. I naively counted on a future second date to move forward. Carmelita was good enough to give me a second date (that ended in limbo), but no second date with Nola and Carla (they just disappeared overnight). Also, girls go "as they feel it on the spot". If you get a second date, you cannot count too much on whatever feelings you inspired them last time, and have to work your way again from scratch.

You should give a serious thought about your logistics, and how can you arrange one, ahead of time. It seems to be your limiting factor here, not your game or fundamentals. I faced the same when I had my kids with me. My solution was to bring girls home during weekdays, after 10:30pm when they were both deeply asleep. Even though it was challenging because of the girls own constraints.

Keep us posted!

Seppuku
 

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SG,

I'm thinking the best option for the Hairdresser might be a post workout insta-coffee date. If it is after work then somewhere with alcohol. Post exercise endorphins are awesome for ramping up attraction and the sexual vibe. I assume your gym has a shower?

If it is immediately pre-work, then I'd push for a lunch date similar to what you had in mind with J. Might frame it to say, "I hope you don't have any afternoon appt's." leaving the door open for a pull.

Word of caution: Hairdressers deal in gossip and drama. They hear all the complaints and stories from their clients and their standards change accordingly. Pretty good chance she might be more open to an affair situation if you dropped the "apocolypse opener" after getting some kino going....
 

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Thanks guys. Seppuku you confirmed what I thought. As you know my logistics suck. I wanted to get the intro as this is a special social situation. I will work for the evening coffee. I think she is a single mom so I may be able to pull back to her place. I don't want to set a sexual frame until I can pull. Thanks for the input TwoRocky. Funny I thought about the gym shower but it is attached to the ladies restroom and would not work. Dude I never heard of the apocalypse opener before. Whoa, I will have to try it with a twist. Instead going to my place I will say take me to your place. A little less effective since she may not have a place but she may come up with one. This reminds me that my dad had a buddy that would walk up to a woman and ask her if she wants to fuck. Dad said about half the time he would get slapped and the other half they would leave together. He probably could have increased his percentages by making sure they were in private and been a little more tactful.

Ray,

I started reading the book and one thing that he said was to have the attitude that all women want to have sex with me. We were talking about that a couple of days ago. Interesting.
 

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My shower comment was more about being cleaned up after the workout. Until you are quite familiar with the woman she is going to be self conscious about her personal hygiene.
 

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Update 65 lbs lost. Even lost 2.4 lbs from Wednesday to Friday with Thanksgiving in there.

I talked with Veronica again. It went really well. She definitely is interested in moving forward. I will ask her out next time I see her. I was short on time and couldn't talk long. At one point she reach out to touch me then pulled back. I think she shocked herself. I don't think she was expecting the attraction she has for me. I didn't react but I saw the surprised in her face.
 

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Just a quick update for record. Weight is the same since Saturday. The change, I mentioned briefly in the past, in my life is a done deal. I have paper work to finish and in about a week or two I should be able to provide details. This will possible give me more free time. Also I will have better logistics to do some gaming at lunch break.

I saw Veronica Monday very briefly. She was talking to one of the salesman at the gym when I came in. We smiled and waved. I went to the restroom and when I came back she was gone. She was not at the gym yesterday when I was there.

I bought a burner phone. I will use this for the ladies only.

I mentioned a girl at a restaurant in a conv with Ray that I introduced myself to. Her name is Michelle. She is cute with a somewhat boxy body, shoulders and hips the same width. Decent enough to fuck but other than that meh. So last week I called her Melissa instead of Michelle. It pissed her off. So today I asked her how she was doing by her right name. I got the smile back. So far I have been with my buddies when eating at this restaurant. Not guys I can do more than flirt with girls with. I am trying to decide if I should go there alone to talk up Michelle. I don't know if I am interested enough.
 

Seppuku

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Hey SG,

Regarding Veronica, you shouldn't wait more to make a move. I feel like the best moment to approach her was on this initial Saturday when she was teasing you in front of her weak BF. Time passes, it's going to become harder. So you will have to use one of these very brief time windows, like here, smile, restroom, and she's gone. Don't think, don't assume you'll have all the time, just go.

For Michelle, cute and decent fuck, I would go for it, at least for the data point on the experience curve.

Cheers,
Seppuku
 

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I totally agree on Veronica. I was being to conservative. I am still learning to be more aggressive with escalating. I also think the guys got me gun shy because of the gym setting. I am a good at reading ioi and I need to act faster. I hope I get another shot with her. So far she hasn't been at the gym. I will ask her out next time I see her. I need to trust myself more.

I will take a shot at Michelle. The input is much appreciated Seppuku.
 

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I had a good day at the gym . I did 45 minutes on the trend mill at 9° and 15 minutes at 11° burning 1000 calories. Weight is at 322 labs with 70 pounds lost.

If you remember Princess from an early report I gave her shit about her friend kicking her ass at aerobics. She was there. She was in a class and when she came out I set myself up for her to pass so I could give her more shot and try to get a date. So as she walks up I don't make eye content. When she is beside me I say

Me: How did it go Princess?
Princess: What did you say? (She didn't here me)
Me: How did it go Princess?
Princess: It went really well. I enjoyed it.
Me: Your cute little blonde friend hasn't been with you the last couple of time I have seen you. (I am going to play off the friend)
Princess: I don't have a blonde friend. I was in here once with a brunette. You know the instructor mistook me for another person. There must be someone else here who looks like me.
(Shit this throws me off a little)
Me: Well lucky for you she is pretty like you.
(I realize this girls is like 5 years older than Princess. Damn they look alike in the face and body.)
Princess: Thank you. You have a nice day. (as she walks off)
Me: You too.

Like 10 seconds after she leaves I am kicking myself for not stopping her and getting her number. I keep doing the same thing over again. I don't have my head in the game enough to progress past my pre-planned conversation. I am sure you guys are tired of reading about this. I think it is a lack of practice. I need to find more time to day game so I get used to these interactions.
 

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Hi guys. I was off the boards for a while. I went through a background investigation for a new job so I dropped out of site while that was going on. I thank Franco and Chase for their help. I landed the new job with some significant increase in pay and perks. I will be starting the new adventure on 1/4. Even though I wasn't gone that long I feel like I missed out on a lot. I read everyones posts and wished I could have commented. I will do so catching up.

I want to start with a quick update. On Monday I weighed in at 318.4 lbs. which is 73.6 lbs lost. I changed up my routine as I had hit a plateau. I have been doing 1 hour of weights on one day followed by one hour of treadmill the next day. I am pushing the lifts to more weight to increase the muscle. It looks like it is working.

I have resolved to keep my original intent regarding ladies. I am going to approach only women who I feel are high caliber. I am not looking for quantity as this is nearly impossible in my position. If I get one or two a year I am happy with this. If I was single this would be completely different. As it is so be it. I do realize that this limits my ability to learn and progress but the stress of a lot of approaches is too much.

With that said I have an update on Veronica. Seppuku and I discussed how I moved too slow with her to which I agreed. But this turned out not the be the case. It has been a week since this occurred so my details are fuzzy but the important interaction is there.

ME: Hi how have you been.
Veronica: Good.
ME: It has been a while. (Almost two weeks since I talked to her last)
Veronica: I have been working and my schedule is screwed up. I have been in and out at different times. (Remember we are at the gym)
ME: Do you work a lot of nights?
Veronica: Sometime. I have to in the next week but in two weeks my schedule will be more normal. (Hairdresser are really busy around the holidays. All the women want to look good.)
ME: (Seeing is telling me about her schedule so I take this as a positive.) Let go get coffee sometime.
Veronica: (See hesitates. Not like she is trying to think of an excuse but something else.) My husband wouldn't like it.
ME: (I pause for a moment and think. I realize she did not say no. It came across like she wants to but can't because of being married. So I say.) You hesitated. Are you sure?
Veronica: (She looks down and her face says she is disappointed.) Yes.
ME: (I decided to make sure this wasn't at test.) I didn't know you were married. You don't have on a ring.
Veronica: (She immediately responses.) I take it off while I am working out. (I knew with the quick response that she is telling the truth.)
ME: I see. (We have a moment of awkward silence so I decide it is time to exit and be in control.) I am going to work. ( I leave to work out.)

I work out for a while. The gym is set up with the nursery across the room from the exit. She comes out of the nursery with her sons who is probably 2 to 3 years old. She walks past me while I am sitting on one of the weight machines. I say bye and so does she.

My take: This is all pretty positive for me. First I asked for the date without any on purpose preset up crap to make it fail like with Ashley. Veronica is the sexy woman I have ever asked out. She is an HB9 in my book so this reinforces to me that this level of women are interested in me. She is also in top shape. Probably in the 10% body fat range which is low for a woman. She is the type that will intimidate most guys.

I was correct with my read that she want to go out with me. Unfortunately she is in a marriage situation that stops her. I think if it was just her and the husband she would have said yes to the date. With the kid she has too much to lose. This puts me in a moral situation. I won't push this because I don't want to mess with a kids life. If a man and a woman are not getting along, which is what I saw a few weeks earlier, it is one thing but to mess up a family with kids is something I won't do.

I was real happy with the way I handled the situation. When she said her husband wouldn't like it I didn't take it as a reject. I realized she was conflicted and offered her a second chance. Then I decided to check the test and didn't wimp out. Then I left in control of the situation. All of these were conscious decisions. I didn't get flustered. I was think about what to do as I learned here. This is the most I have felt in control when asking a woman out. It felt amazing. I would say I was 98% anxiety free.

As a follow up I saw Veronica Monday at the gym. She was across the room. She saw me as smiled a waved. I did the same back. Then I went to the trend mill. It was good to see that things are positive. I will talk with her more but unless she breaks up with her husband I will not be pushing things any further. To bad it did work out as I am sure the sex would have been amazing.

SGent
 

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Update. The switching between cardio and weights is working. Weight lose is now 75.2 lbs. My next big goal is to be under 300 lbs by the end of January. This is 6 weeks at 2.8 lbs per week. This should be doable.
 

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Had an unbelievable weight drop to 78.8 lbs lost. 3.6 days in two days.

A had a short conversation the Veronica yesterday. Nothing important. She said she was going through some weird stuff. I didn't bite and just waited for her to continue. I did find out what area she lives in and where she works. She presents me with a tough moral dilemma. My hormones want me to push things but messing with her family causes me moral pause. I would be better off just not talking to her anymore. The problem is when I see her the sexual attraction is really strong.
 

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Merry Christmas. Went to the gym and did an hour on the treadmill at 11 degs. Weight was 311.4. This is 80.6 lbs lost. Burned 1000 calories.

I go around the counter as I go in the gym headed to the treadmills. Veronica is at the back machine. She sees me first, waves and says hi. So I go over. I ask her if she is doing ok. The last couple times I saw her see looked stressed out. Today she looked hot. The convo was nothing to speak about except she let me know she was on her way out and I felt like I was being dismissed. I have always made sure I left first in previous convos. Maybe she was really in a hurry. Whatever. Like I said before I am not pursuing anymore. Maybe I should make that clear to her. It may reduce some tension. We may be able to be friends, yea I know this is a nasty word but unless she ditched the hubby nothing is going to happen as for as I am concerned.

I surprised myself. There was a new blonde of average looks there today. We crossed paths. She gave eye contact then looked away then looked back up. I said hi. Nothing unusual there but when I first saw her I thought not my type. Then when she got close I thought she is decent and might be worth an approach. What is surprising is I would consider this. I think some of the comments on here have me rethinking my high standards for a while.

I am starting a new job on 1/4. My first thing is to fly to Dallas for training. I don't know if any opportunities for approaching will happen but I will have to see how it goes. The advantage is being on my own with a place to pull. The disadvantage is I have no idea of the area and I have to be cautious on the new job.

I am still struggling with fooling around outside my marriage. This and having a pull place is my biggest hold backs.
 

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Hi guy. Been busy with the new job. I have ben keeping it up in the gym. I weighted 301 lbs today. Down 91 lbs. No matter how old I get I still learn. I am putting a post in the beginners because I think is an important thing to realize.
 

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It has been forever since I have posted. The new job and health have really slowed me down. I have been able to keep the weight loss going but it has slowed. I have lost 124 lbs and weigh 268. It still amazes me at the women that are attracted to meet. Saturday I meet a fine babe at the sprint car races. But my experience lets me know when it is just flirting or serious. To many beers almost put me out of control bur I didn't lose it. She is married with a daughter so I am thinking I am an orbiter right away. Too bad because she is hot.

I did a 5K on Saturday and kicked butt on my time. Even with my hip hurting. Good day because I did 9 miles and met a fine lady.

SG
 
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SG good to see you again. I think women have a sense of a guy who is on an upward trend in career, health and life in general and are attracted to that energy.

During the period I dropped 25 pounds from Jan to June of this year, I noticed a lot more overt interest from women.

I think they see a diamond in the rough and want to "polish him up" .
 
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