College Women and Men in their 30's Help

[samson]

TBH, regardless of your age or stage of life, very few men are getting it. In high school, very few guys were getting it. In college, it was the 20% rule. I think Good Looking Loser way back in the day had a fire article on this.

However, I see this forum and others like it as a place for the aspiring 20% men to gather. I do wonder though if whenever we all go out to the places we do, perhaps we are against low odds.

That's a great point regarding the top 20%.

I think it's a bit of a paradox. A part of me feels like we're at low odds regardless of which age we're targeting just because women nowadays have so many options. They're more dismissive, more picky, they could already be entertaining multiple guys, I personally know many women that just aren't interested in dating and have checked out, etc.

On the other hand, since getting laid requires one to actually go out and socialize and face rejection which seems like an increasingly rare phenomena for men in today's world, if you're actually out there working on yourself, you're already way ahead of the pack which should help one's odds.

What are our options though? Giving up and bumming it out on the coach isn't exactly ideal. I guess even with low odds, one has to get after it and keep chugging away until success is had.

Also, what are you defining as getting it? Consistently hooking up with new women every week/month?

 

[RisingCane]

That's a great point regarding the top 20%.

I think it's a bit of a paradox. A part of me feels like we're at low odds regardless of which age we're targeting just because women nowadays have so many options. They're more dismissive, more picky, they could already be entertaining multiple guys, I personally know many women that just aren't interested in dating and have checked out, etc.

On the other hand, since getting laid requires one to actually go out and socialize and face rejection which seems like an increasingly rare phenomena for men in today's world, if you're actually out there working on yourself, you're already way ahead of the pack which should help one's odds.

What are our options though? Giving up and bumming it out on the coach isn't exactly ideal. I guess even with low odds, one has to get after it and keep chugging away until success is had.

Also, what are you defining as getting it? Consistently hooking up with new women every week/month?

Yes, I define it as consistently having new women you bed.

 

[KJ Francis]

My college town would not be ranked highly on that site as it is unknown

not sure what this meant exactly, but I think there are settings for volume, ratios, and I think a multiplier. You might also have to set it from the school list instead of the city for temporary residents. then if you set male age higher than female, it gives a sense of competition. I think Mizzou was another example... people graduate and leave, so it's ratio of early 20's females to older males. big difference in sexual marketplace competitiveness between a 20 and 35 year old man, and with the rarity on top...

 

[RisingCane]

So some decent news, I have had a handful of members DM me about this college game and the work they are putting in. I will not mention any names since I do want to keep them anonymous. Some of these dudes are in Miami and one in particular knows some of the same spots that I do, he is an older guy like myself and he has shared some advice. I will keep everyone posted but for now, I want to see if we can turn this thread into a progress thread.

What's been keeping me away from the typical college venues is the fact that the only good regular wing I have, my roommate, is a consultant who is constantly traveling now in 2025. In his place, I have tried to wing with guys in the Game community and to say they suck is flattering, they don't just suck, they are weird too.

I might try to solo some of these spots for nightlife but for now, let's see if me and some of the guys can update this thread with actual progress. This progress being us actually talking to co-eds and bringing some of the roadblocks we face.

I have shared some of the roadblocks, namely the harpie-like screech from their fat ugly friends, on this thread. To any game experts that wanna help out along the way and give feedback, greatly appreciated!

 

[RisingCane]

My building has a giant pool area and in it some work places nearby, quite a great deal really. However, I went out for my walk in that area because in case I need to get back to work ASAP, I can do so (I work remote). Come to find, today like some days, the pool area is loaded with college girls. At least 8 total and 5 of them in a group, they definitely fit the sorority girl mold. I walked past them once but overall, did not approach since it is risky in that situation. I am thinking talking to them in two-sets or one by one as I run into them would be the smart move, small talk that builds up overtime.

Come to find, I need to improve that part of my game of talking to people more. I am always all go and intense from point a to b, even having headphones in. Either that or I do not go out as much other than to go out and game, remote work does that to you lol. I have also been reflecting a bit on past encounters.

I have actually had more good interactions that were friendly with UM girls rather than hostile ones which are somewhat more rare. But I been thinking what has held me back in nightlife and I nailed it down.

Terrible wings.

Other than my roommate who is inconsistent with going out and not that into game, my wings have been dog crap. The Game community in Miami either has advanced dudes who know their stuff like @Skills or at the newbie end, it is full of some of the weirdest dudes out there who lack any and all social calibration.

Dudes who are pushing 40 and living with their parents. Dudes who lack any and all social skills for the large part. Forget college girls, you cannot even introduce these dudes to your normal friends. Outside of them, I am left going out solo.

I have had some Miami locals propose to wing me in the coming weeks so hopefully some more boots on the ground reports to share with you all but it is downright obvious that the quality of wingmen needs to go way up.

I cringe over how bad the Wings I have met in the Game community in Miami are. Like you have to try to be that bad.

 

[RisingCane]

On another note, I find it funny how so many of us grown ups are working and there these girls are chilling by the pool on a Wednesday afternoon lol. Like now I know why so many older guys struggle with college girls in a lot of cases. If you work a normal 9 to 5 job, your schedules do not even line up to begin with. I think this is why @Chase is so big on starting your own business and escaping the 9 to 5 grind.

 

[Spike]

now I know why so many older guys struggle with college girls in a lot of cases. If you work a normal 9 to 5 job, your schedules do not even line up to begin with

You do realize that a lot of college girls also work at places like restaurants and retail jobs while they're in school right?

 

[samson]

My building has a giant pool area and in it some work places nearby, quite a great deal really. However, I went out for my walk in that area because in case I need to get back to work ASAP, I can do so (I work remote). Come to find, today like some days, the pool area is loaded with college girls. At least 8 total and 5 of them in a group, they definitely fit the sorority girl mold. I walked past them once but overall, did not approach since it is risky in that situation. I am thinking talking to them in two-sets or one by one as I run into them would be the smart move, small talk that builds up overtime.

Come to find, I need to improve that part of my game of talking to people more. I am always all go and intense from point a to b, even having headphones in. Either that or I do not go out as much other than to go out and game, remote work does that to you lol. I have also been reflecting a bit on past encounters.

I have actually had more good interactions that were friendly with UM girls rather than hostile ones which are somewhat more rare. But I been thinking what has held me back in nightlife and I nailed it down.

Terrible wings.

Other than my roommate who is inconsistent with going out and not that into game, my wings have been dog crap. The Game community in Miami either has advanced dudes who know their stuff like @Skills or at the newbie end, it is full of some of the weirdest dudes out there who lack any and all social calibration.

Dudes who are pushing 40 and living with their parents. Dudes who lack any and all social skills for the large part. Forget college girls, you cannot even introduce these dudes to your normal friends. Outside of them, I am left going out solo.

I have had some Miami locals propose to wing me in the coming weeks so hopefully some more boots on the ground reports to share with you all but it is downright obvious that the quality of wingmen needs to go way up.

I cringe over how bad the Wings I have met in the Game community in Miami are. Like you have to try to be that bad.

I've seen this happening in Los Angeles as well. Just spend a weekend in Santa Monica and you'll see groups of 40+ dead beat guys that are running up to women whilst being trailed by their pickup coach.

 

[samson]

Yes, I define it as consistently having new women you bed.

I would also argue that 20% is generous. I would say that the percentage of guys who consistently have sex with new women on a weekly/monthly basis are probably 10%, if not less. But to add to that, I know a number of guys with body counts over 100 and I've seen many of the women they have sex with and they're definitely not hot sorority chicks.

 

[RisingCane]

So I guess Field Report time but I actually met up with someone on this forum who I will not say too much about, unless this person wants to come forward. For now, we will call him Ryan. We were DMing each other on the forum for a few days talking about UM girls and I was thinking of meeting up with him at some point to get back out to Barracuda. In a few weeks I am going to Europe and I need to make sure my game is on point as I am going to help a friend, who is a Game Coach, run parts of his Pickup Bootcamp.

Meanwhile, I have been rusty for months due to losing my job in 2024, getting a new one, but just in the weeds of working and not regularly gaming as I used to.

First we meet at Regatta and the dude did have kind of a soft voice and was hard to hear. I was worried a bit but then we walk over to Barracuda and chat for a bit. I am getting Approach Anxiety to some degree and hesitating but then it hit me. Its been months since I have regularly been to Barracudas or really even been there on a Thursday but man....

These college girls do look legit young AF.

Maybe I am just mentally adjusting but a lot of them legit looked to be in high school. There is clearly a separation between underclassmen and more senior college girls.

However, we both start to do some approaches and go indirect. I had quite a few pleasant approaches but the rust really kicked in. I was prematurely ejecting a lot which used to be a bad habit of mines when I was starting out with game. It gets me how much you can regress if you do not regularly practice game!

Then the night picks up.

I have had a couple of good approaches but Ryan really hooks this blonde. It is going well to where I think dude is going to pull. Then these people, clearly tourists come in, and it is two dudes and one chick. Chick is like a solid 6, maybe 6.5. Kinda chubby but not ugly, you know the type of girl @Chase says is likely to pull an FRA on you? She was complaining non-stop and out loud about everyone in the area being young. They were tourists from Austin.

Well I stand around and am near Ryan, his set is going for a while which is rare for Barracudas but it was somewhat empty today too. Then the gay guy in the group opens me indirectly by saying "yeah this guy looks good with his All Saints shirt and Converses". I glance over their way.

They ask how old I am and I say "67". They are like "naw you look like 29", maybe a nice way of telling someone they are in their 30s lol.

Anyways, I say I am 67 and they walk off. I was not interested in the chick at all but hey, feels good to get opened.

BTW, these All Saints T Shirts are a hit in Miami. I see so many dudes wearing em so I decided to cop one this week.

Ryan and I part ways as he cannot be out too late but overall, a great time even though my game was utter wack. Sharing actual findings in follow up but Ryan is one of the more cool guys I have winged with at Barracudas.

 

[superseducer]

Yeah I don't mind bro it was a good time. I'll add on that on the way back the uber was super chill. We ended up talking and exchanging numbers while a girl was waiting to get in the uber. She showed a bunch of interest and I number closed her as she got in and I got out .

 

[RisingCane]

A few observations from tonight.

For those that do not know, The Grove on Thursdays in Miami turns into college night. All the UM kids come out and it gets packed. In the Spring it is not as packed but it gets really packed in the Fall. All outdoors and it is like Bourbon St but with college girls that go to The U. Now for the observations.

I didn't need a PUA wing, I needed a normal guy friend to hang out with that talks to girls.

The Game community produces so many freaking weirdos and on other Game Chats, I have winged with "Pickup Guys" at this spot and it never works. These dudes have no social skills and creep out the girls. Ryan was a cool dude.

I forgot to mention this on the field report but at one point, we grab a table and this mixed group sits next to us. They were super chill and he was socializing well with them. Unfortunately, Ryan is not much of a nightgame guy so because of that, I am going to need to either hope my roommate comes back or I find another cool dude on this forum to hit me up who has social skills. I am mostly fed up with Game Groups to meet wings in as most of them are too weird.

While it is a "college night" venue, there were older women there who could be gamed.

I was rusty but there were older women at this area who were open to being gamed. We had a few good sets but once again, premature ejection is the part of my game I need to work on. It still gets me now getting back into it that for some reason, some of these college girls look really freaking young bro. Even the ones in my building do not look that young even though they are hot!

Oh yeah, there were clearly older dudes talking to chicks.

Ryan and I saw this Asian dude who was drunk and looked to be in his 50s talking to these 3 blondes. He had the set interested for quite a while but I think he was playing Jester game if anything lol. However, props to him for having the guts to do it! You love to see it.

I will share more observations later on. For now, like Ryan, I am tired and need some sleep lol.

 

[RisingCane]

Yeah I don't mind bro it was a good time. I'll add on that on the way back the uber was super chill. We ended up talking and exchanging numbers while a girl was waiting to get in the uber. She showed a bunch of interest and I number closed her as she got in and I got out .

LOL the only bad part of the night is you are not a regular nightgame guy which is understandable but you and I, based on tonight, make a great team there. Great vibe bro and keep doing what you do! Good luck on the Uber girl.

 

[RisingCane]

I kind of had an epiphany recently and maybe dudes like @Teevster can weigh in on something like this since we spoke about it in the Italian and French thread. It seems like some of us, me in particular at times, put a lot of pressure on ourselves to go after X kind of girl or get X kind of girl. In this college girl thread in particular, I realized that because my college experience was not all that, I have to hook up with a bunch of college girls to somehow fill that gap or whatever that might be.

In some ways though, I think that this is a recipe for disaster and misery. Like you put too much pressure on yourself to get X kind of girl and are subconsciously putting them on the pedestal in some way. For example, with this college girl thread where we are strategizing X and Y to get some Co-Ed.

Then you get all in your head. You think these girls only get with X guys. You think they only get with some rich frat guy or some athlete. You think they are all with dudes their age. Who really knows.

Instead, I feel like what I personally need to focus on is perfecting my craft which in this case is Game. Work on your Game, fundamentals, and skills so well.

You might not be that 40 year old guy who is sleeping with Co-Eds but you will get something and something good. You will be ready and increase your odds rather than just focusing on college girls.

Fix the fundmentals and perfect your craft. Eventually, the outcomes will happen.

 

[samson]

I kind of had an epiphany recently and maybe dudes like @Teevster can weigh in on something like this since we spoke about it in the Italian and French thread. It seems like some of us, me in particular at times, put a lot of pressure on ourselves to go after X kind of girl or get X kind of girl. In this college girl thread in particular, I realized that because my college experience was not all that, I have to hook up with a bunch of college girls to somehow fill that gap or whatever that might be.

In some ways though, I think that this is a recipe for disaster and misery. Like you put too much pressure on yourself to get X kind of girl and are subconsciously putting them on the pedestal in some way. For example, with this college girl thread where we are strategizing X and Y to get some Co-Ed.

Then you get all in your head. You think these girls only get with X guys. You think they only get with some rich frat guy or some athlete. You think they are all with dudes their age. Who really knows.

Instead, I feel like what I personally need to focus on is perfecting my craft which in this case is Game. Work on your Game, fundamentals, and skills so well.

You might not be that 40 year old guy who is sleeping with Co-Eds but you will get something and something good. You will be ready and increase your odds rather than just focusing on college girls.

Fix the fundmentals and perfect your craft. Eventually, the outcomes will happen.

This is a great point and I think it just confirms how much of this is mostly mental game. Putting too much pressure on ourselves to get X kind of girl is a mental issue, strategizing to get Co-eds is a mental issue, treating one category of women as "better" than others is a mental issue.

The problem is a lot of this is biology. Men generally want young, beautiful women and so your brains place an emphasis and importance on that demographic of women which in turn causes us to overvalue them and treat them differently in our minds which then causes all sorts of problems.

How to subvert all of this is what we should be talking about.