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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Long overdue update. Will update with specific notable interactions over the last 10 days (there have been a lot) later.

Sticking points:

1. Giving up too easily


Not being persistent in relation to initial skepticism. Still hard to find the balance between girls who are not interested and so therefore not wasting my time vs girls who are interested but want to see what I've got. TBH I'd rather just look for greens but again as I've said, so many of these girls I truly want are yellows. Easy way of course is compliance test, test for compliance early and often. If she is not complying after three attempts (with three different strategies) then that is time to call it quits.

Something topcat and Mr T taught me a while back - "every move is a compliance ask or reward/punishment" Focus on this.

I give up because deep down part of me still doesn't truly believe I am the best thing to ever happen to this girl. If I believed I was, I would have no problem being more persistent. Still have limiting beliefs regarding what I can offer her.

2. Qualifying women

On my dates, sticking point has been identified as being unattainable, sending girls into autorejection. Thanks to Mr T for identifying this for me as I thought it was the opposite. From the article "Being a challenge to women (and really turning them on)

  • Too little attainability, and your value becomes too murky, as if you've intentionally obfuscated it. She feels like you're playing with her, or out of her league. You're too unattainable, and she auto-rejects.

With a few exceptions, I believe most girls on dates this year on some level thought I only cared about sex given the mechanical nature of my dates like I detailed in my previous post. They don't feel like they are winning me over as Mr T said. So how do I make them feel this way? Actually connecting with them. Being present, being curious about them, trying to find out who they really are. I did really well on my date after my last journal entry with HBPHD on this - lots of moments where we connected deeply. Unfortunately, my rushed invites home without proper escalation led her to thinking I was only after a hookup and her enthusiasm for me dampened. She probably thought I was a player

https://www.girlschase.com/content/being-challenge-women-really-turning-them
https://www.girlschase.com/content/when-girls-think-youre-player-then-shut-you-down

What are quick easy ways to make a girl realise that I actually like her? Right now, what I've been doing is just having a conversation, closing proximity and then saying "I'm glad I came up to you" and going for the kiss. However, I need to make sure to qualify her first based on what I like about her. Genuinely qualify her so she knows I like her for her and am not just after her body.

I do also need to communicate that I have standards. This is something that is not coming across as well and I believe making these women think that I'm just after one thing and that it doesn't matter what they say or do.

One of the biggest ones is sexual standards. I gotta back myself more on this - I've had great sex and not so good sex where the girls have just been lying there. It's been awkward. So this is something I can definitely bring up on dates at some point in a playful way. Not sure how to work it in but something along the lines of:

"You're not a starfish in bed are you". Said playfully. Or "Are you a good kisser?" Playful challenges to get her qualifying herself to me, to frame me as the assessor. This is related to Second Gen (Sexual Prizing). I am not a master in the bedroom and so that's why I have been hesitant to use sexual prizing. But I realise that I can use in in a way that is congruent. Not necessarily talking about how many orgasms I can give her (because I'm not yet confident in my ability to consistently give orgasms). But in my passion. "I don't like sex. I like good sex". Is definitely one I can use. Because again, I love passionate wild carefree sex. And stilted awkward sex just sucks. So I can throw this challenge out to communicate to her that I have standards for the girls I fuck, which might turn her on more and make her want to have the experience herself, which may lead to her qualifying herself.

Other not sexual challenges I need to think of and will journal here when I do.

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Long overdue update. Will update with specific notable interactions over the last 10 days (there have been a lot) later.

Sticking points:

1. Giving up too easily


Not being persistent in relation to initial skepticism. Still hard to find the balance between girls who are not interested and so therefore not wasting my time vs girls who are interested but want to see what I've got. TBH I'd rather just look for greens but again as I've said, so many of these girls I truly want are yellows. Easy way of course is compliance test, test for compliance early and often. If she is not complying after three attempts (with three different strategies) then that is time to call it quits.

Something topcat and Mr T taught me a while back - "every move is a compliance ask or reward/punishment" Focus on this.

I give up because deep down part of me still doesn't truly believe I am the best thing to ever happen to this girl. If I believed I was, I would have no problem being more persistent. Still have limiting beliefs regarding what I can offer her.

2. Qualifying women

On my dates, sticking point has been identified as being unattainable, sending girls into autorejection. Thanks to Mr T for identifying this for me as I thought it was the opposite. From the article "Being a challenge to women (and really turning them on)



With a few exceptions, I believe most girls on dates this year on some level thought I only cared about sex given the mechanical nature of my dates like I detailed in my previous post. They don't feel like they are winning me over as Mr T said. So how do I make them feel this way? Actually connecting with them. Being present, being curious about them, trying to find out who they really are. I did really well on my date after my last journal entry with HBPHD on this - lots of moments where we connected deeply. Unfortunately, my rushed invites home without proper escalation led her to thinking I was only after a hookup and her enthusiasm for me dampened. She probably thought I was a player

https://www.girlschase.com/content/being-challenge-women-really-turning-them
https://www.girlschase.com/content/when-girls-think-youre-player-then-shut-you-down

What are quick easy ways to make a girl realise that I actually like her? Right now, what I've been doing is just having a conversation, closing proximity and then saying "I'm glad I came up to you" and going for the kiss. However, I need to make sure to qualify her first based on what I like about her. Genuinely qualify her so she knows I like her for her and am not just after her body.

I do also need to communicate that I have standards. This is something that is not coming across as well and I believe making these women think that I'm just after one thing and that it doesn't matter what they say or do.

One of the biggest ones is sexual standards. I gotta back myself more on this - I've had great sex and not so good sex where the girls have just been lying there. It's been awkward. So this is something I can definitely bring up on dates at some point in a playful way. Not sure how to work it in but something along the lines of:

"You're not a starfish in bed are you". Said playfully. Or "Are you a good kisser?" Playful challenges to get her qualifying herself to me, to frame me as the assessor. This is related to Second Gen (Sexual Prizing). I am not a master in the bedroom and so that's why I have been hesitant to use sexual prizing. But I realise that I can use in in a way that is congruent. Not necessarily talking about how many orgasms I can give her (because I'm not yet confident in my ability to consistently give orgasms). But in my passion. "I don't like sex. I like good sex". Is definitely one I can use. Because again, I love passionate wild carefree sex. And stilted awkward sex just sucks. So I can throw this challenge out to communicate to her that I have standards for the girls I fuck, which might turn her on more and make her want to have the experience herself, which may lead to her qualifying herself.

Other not sexual challenges I need to think of and will journal here when I do.

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you are not using sexual prizing cause you are not a master in the bedroom is none sense.... Most of us are not, let her think you are... once your dick is inside her pussy walls and she finds out you are not, who cares... That is not your problem.... "I don't like sex. I like good sex" I hope you have standards to... (this one i have field tested it works well as challenge)

To be honest the challenge stuff is not that important.... Covering the different things that may cause her hesitation to have sex in her mind is more important...

I can not have sex with a girl for having sex i am pass that, vibe and chemestry make the encounters more meaningful. don't you agree? have you been in a situation were this and that happpened? etc.... So you carry the second gen. and then just have her agree with you in some sort of yes ladder, the challenges such as are you a good kisser? lets find out, cringe to me... you are not starfish in bed? meh...

Just go with more explicit stuff that she can relate, i hate macdonald sex that is the thing most dudes do now a days, you know what macdonal sex is bang bang thank you mom, i hate that shit! blah blah...... My point is carry the convo in sexual topics just have her pay attention, and yes ladder stuff... vs silly challenges is meh...
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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you are not using sexual prizing cause you are not a master in the bedroom is none sense.... Most of us are not, let her think you are... once your dick is inside her pussy walls and she finds out you are not, who cares... That is not your problem.... "I don't like sex. I like good sex" I hope you have standards to... (this one i have field tested it works well as challenge)
Yeah the "I don't like sex, I like good sex is one I can definitely use congruently. I was more talking about the prizing techniques that involve talking about orgasms.

To be honest the challenge stuff is not that important.... Covering the different things that may cause her hesitation to have sex in her mind is more important...
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I can not have sex with a girl for having sex i am pass that, vibe and chemestry make the encounters more meaningful. don't you agree? have you been in a situation were this and that happpened? etc.... So you carry the second gen. and then just have her agree with you in some sort of yes ladder, the challenges such as are you a good kisser? lets find out, cringe to me... you are not starfish in bed? meh...
It's good because I truly believe this. Sex is so much better when you vibe with someone. I've been devaluing myself lately in the pursuit of sex, with the result being no sex.

 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Investment

Obviously I know about investment. I know every concept in game, but internalizing it is something else entirely. I don't think that until this point I have truly grasped the idea of investment, and that it's her investment in you that matters. I think I was a bit stubborn - even if you read something, sometimes you need to fuck up consistently before your brain accepts it. In my case, the amount of girls not coming out for a second date, not responding to texts, not moving with me in clubs. Hundreds over the years.

It makes sense now - why girls move on so quick and stop responding. I've long been frustrated by it - "How come there are rarely any second chances? Why does one small mistake tank an otherwise good interaction? Why doesn't she logically realize the value I offer". It all comes down to lack of investment. Even if you are fun and attractive, if she is not investing in you at all, it's still very easy to drop you like a fly.

So of course, the goal. Get her to invest early and often, using compliance demands/asks. And again, these can be anything -
Moving her, getting her to open up about her thoughts to you (if she spills her guts to you and it isn't something she usually does with anyone, she's investing into you - she wouldn't do that with any guy so if she did it with you there must be something there. And she has committed on some level.

This is not new of course and to most it will be "duh". Even me, I know this, it's written on the site almost word for word. But the reason I write it again is because this time, it's coming from me. These are real thoughts coming from my brain, not "Girlschase said it's important for a girl to invest in order to have sex, so use compliance tests to do this". Rather, these are deeper understandings about not just female but human psychology. "This is what she is thinking, this is why these girls drop me so easily". It's more personal. And has come as a result of truly painful experiences this year which have caused me to question myself.

Every move is either a compliance ask/demand or reward/punishment. Compliance early and often to build investment. Qualify her (reward) on that investment so she knows she is actually winning you over. Slowly graduate from smaller compliance requests to greater compliance requests, moving on to a greater one if she is complying with the smaller one (and rewarding her in the process). With the greatest complance request (and her greatest investment in you) ultimately being sex.
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Stop Devaluing yourself

Never again will I sell myself short with an attractive woman just because of her looks. I naturally screen out women I don't find physically appealing, but don't have enough standards and am way too accommodating with women who are. And it's getting me jack shit. Not even that, but what have these women done to earn my attention? They do a lot of things that are annoying/make no sense. I know better in so many cases what's better for them than they do. So why am I devaluing myself and giving my power away to them freely? Again, reward compliance. (obviously some exceptions such as when opening direct, but this is more throughout the interaction from that point. In any case, focus should be more on indirect anyway and when she starts to invest, reward her)

My mindset - I'm the buyer, I will see what's she's about by testing compliance and rewarding/punishing accordingly. If she is not compliant, I will give her chances to see my personality by coming at it from three different angles (persisting three times). Because realistically, she doesn't know me. I do need to show her that I'm a cool dude. If she still does not comply after demonstrating this (by persisting three times), she's obviously retarded and not someone I want in my life anyway. Natural screen out. No loss. I don't care how hot she is.
 

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Short update - have slept with two beautiful women in the last couple of weeks (both from online) who are now both quite attached, and have had a lot of other experiences which I have been detailing privately but will post in more detail. My mind has continued to mature to the realities of male/female dynamics and the frame that you as a man must be in at all times. With both of these women I honestly don't mind and my life would continue as per normal if things were to end and they can sense this. I am not this way with all women however (having gotten intense oneitis with HBPHD) and so it's an ongoing process to get to the point where I am like this even around girls who I initially lose my mind over (both of these women I am sleeping with, while beautiful, have not had that effect). The sacrifice of course being that I must always be prepared to have a sense of indifference and care less. I say it's a sacrifice because for me, it feels nice to truly care for a girl. However, this seems to be at odds with the indifference I need for her to be truly attracted to me. When she cares more, I care less. When I care more (which does feel nice) she starts to care less which obviously leads to disaster. So naturally, I have to learn to truly shoulder this burden of masculinity to allow her to fall into her feminine. Recognizing all chasing behaviours on my part and cutting them the fuck out as soon as they pop up.

It's more about learning to control myself and my emotions. Delayed gratification. Because with those girls I lose my mind over physically, the problems are arising due to the fact that I am leaking chasey behaviour when interacting with them before we are in the bedroom, before she is ready and turned on. Lacking social calibration. Because I am excited and horny which feels good. What I need to understand is that if you keep your cool and just calibrate, you can still feel those incredible feelings of excited horniness. Just, you'll feel them later, when you're both in the bedroom. And it's even better because by then she will be also be horny and ready to please you in every way you've dreamed about. And you in turn can unleash your animalistic desires onto her. And that's when the magic happens.
 
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Merry christmas everyone. So it's obviously been a long time since I posted. But a lot has happened. So much it's actually ridiculous. The reason I haven't posted much is because there has been too much so I've been putting it off. But if I were to quickly summarize, it would be:

1. A few days after my last entry, travelled throughout Germany and Eastern Europe, doing a bootcamp in Poland (which I'd always wanted to do)

2. Went hard the rest of the trip but results girls wise quite subpar if we're talking full closes. I only fucked one new girl but made out with a ton and had a bunch of other experiences I'll detail.

3. Came back and slept with one of the girls I was previously seeing again, but lost interest in her and stopped seeing her. Stopped seeing the other one too despite her reaching out to me. I just wasn't interested anymore.

4. Moved out to my own house which I'd bought back in May, away from Gold.

5. Started hanging out with Enzo a lot more who was mentoring me.

6. Started putting much more pressure on myself to succeed to not let Enzo down, and was inspired by Enzos success.

7. Started getting depressed at lack of results while Enzo absolutely has been crushing it. I will detail later. I think he's even better than Gold (who also had a crazy experience I'll detail after I got back). Hell, I even think he's one of the GOATs, and that's coming from someone who has been on seduction forums for a while and has read some of the crazy stories here.

8. Started losing motivation, with negative self talk again ("You went on a bootcamp and you're still struggling, what's wrong with you?" "Gold is still crushing it" "Enzo is mentoring you, what if you let him down?" Starting not putting in the reps and focusing on other parts of my life instead.

9. Hit a new low. Realized that I was struggling because deep down despite what others keep saying I still felt I wasn't good enough for the hottest women based on my entire attitude to life in general, not just women.

10. Decided fundamental changes were needed to become the guy that felt deserving and entitled for these girls. Starting with taking full control of my time.

11. Slowly started building up good habits after finding a method that worked (for meditation, mobility etc) which are two habits that I traditionally struggled with but which now, using the new method, I have been able to stick to daily for almost a month, which is a huge deal for me.

12. In the process of applying this method to all other areas of my life so I can finally once and for all beat the procrastination and laziness which has been holding me back from my full potential for far too long.

My next post will be a dump of all my experiences with the fairer sex over the last couple months. It's going to be a long one and will take a bit of time to write.
 
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Merry christmas everyone. So it's obviously been a long time since I posted. But a lot has happened. So much it's actually ridiculous. The reason I haven't posted much is because there has been too much so I've been putting it off. But if I were to quickly summarize, it would be:

1. A few days after my last entry, travelled throughout Germany and Eastern Europe, doing a bootcamp in Poland (which I'd always wanted to do)

2. Went hard the rest of the trip but results girls wise quite subpar if we're talking full closes. I only fucked one new girl but made out with a ton and had a bunch of other experiences I'll detail.

3. Came back and slept with one of the girls I was previously seeing again, but lost interest in her and stopped seeing her. Stopped seeing the other one too despite her reaching out to me. I just wasn't interested anymore.

4. Moved out to my own house which I'd bought back in May, away from Gold.

5. Started hanging out with Enzo a lot more who was mentoring me.

6. Started putting much more pressure on myself to succeed to not let Enzo down, and was inspired by Enzos success.

7. Started getting depressed at lack of results while Enzo absolutely has been crushing it. I will detail later. I think he's even better than Gold (who also had a crazy experience I'll detail after I got back). Hell, I even think he's one of the GOATs, and that's coming from someone who has been on seduction forums for a while and has read some of the crazy stories here.

8. Started losing motivation, with negative self talk again ("You went on a bootcamp and you're still struggling, what's wrong with you?" "Gold is still crushing it" "Enzo is mentoring you, what if you let him down?" Starting not putting in the reps and focusing on other parts of my life instead.

9. Hit a new low. Realized that I was struggling because deep down despite what others keep saying I still felt I wasn't good enough for the hottest women based on my entire attitude to life in general, not just women.

10. Decided fundamental changes were needed to become the guy that felt deserving and entitled for these girls. Starting with taking full control of my time.

11. Slowly started building up good habits after finding a method that worked (for meditation, mobility etc) which are two habits that I traditionally struggled with but which now, using the new method, I have been able to stick to daily for almost a month, which is a huge deal for me.

12. In the process of applying this method to all other areas of my life so I can finally once and for all beat the procrastination and laziness which has been holding me back from my full potential for far too long.

My next post will be a dump of all my experiences with the fairer sex over the last couple months. It's going to be a long one and will take a bit of time to write.
Definitely looking forward to the Enzo update..

How he games hot women and what his gaming style is like

I feel you can ask him about the mindset he has with really hot women..

And then actually observe his vibe and mannerisms around this women... see if they can rub off on you
 

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Notable interactions from the last couple of months

1. HBInsta


Enzo approached a two set sitting at a table and I went to sit with them. He was going for one on the right. There was a done up classic Instagram hot blonde girl on the left crying. Enzos girl was trying to give her advice about a guy, but at some point Enzo started to engage her. I was sitting there silent feeling like an idiot not saying anything, but eventually I asked the blonde what was up. She told me to come closer since she couldn’t hear me.

We’re right up next to each other, she starts talking about how she had a business recruiting influencers for brands which made really good money (she showed me her bank account) but couldn’t escape her ex who kept popping up in her life every six months. I sat and listened as she told me about the horrible lives of some influencers who get paid obscene amounts of money to do fucked up sexual shit for arab sheiks (like, the sheiks would fly them out to the UAE and stick snakes in their pussies for their entertainment), I was actually interested in what she was saying. She then told me about her upbringing in a foster home. At this point I qualified her by telling her how much I admired that she came from that environment and managed to get to the point where she was making good money with her business.

Enzo and his girl got up to head in for a drink. My chick and I got up, she starts holding my hand as we head through the dance floor. Enzos chick and her then say they need to go to the bathroom, but before they do, my chick asks for both my Instagram and number and tells me “I want to stay with you” in a matter of fact tone before heading off. Doesn’t get clearer than that. I added her and this chick had like 18000 followers. Nuts. While we’re waiting, Enzo tells me his chick was attracted but couldn’t get past his height (5’6).

Anyway, they’re at the bathroom for fucking ages and so Enzo and I call it and are about to leave when they come out. My chick first walks right past me but comes back and shakes her ass against mine. Then heads off to talk to Enzos girl about where to go. I had suggested a place but they decide on somewhere else. She asks me if I’m coming, I’m on the fence but eventually we go, following them to the next venue. The vibe is just different, maybe because I didn’t make a proper move sooner (I probably hadn’t shown enough sexual interest until then). But she’s hanging with her friends, Enzo and I together. We get in, venue is shit and we end up losing the girls. It’s late and I have to work tomorrow so we call it, thinking I’d already missed the escalation window. We get food when she texts me “where r u?”. Ok, maybe I hadn’t missed the window. We head back to the venue and in, where I see her chatting to another dude at the bar. We go in, I lock eyes with her for a bit but honestly both me and Enzo cbf, so leave. If she wasn’t with that dude I would have gone in, but cbf.

2. Golds Strippers

Sunday night, I’m sleeping when I wake up hearing a commotion around 4am. and some girls. I can’t get back to sleep since they’re so loud. Suddenly my door opens and a naked chick walks in – the same stripper chick who I didn’t bang last year in the gangbang. I'll call her Strip.

“Beam! It’s my birthday. Come on!”

I shit you not, she grabs my hand and leads me to the bathroom where Gold is naked with two other naked girls in the bathtub (so three naked girls). One is this sexy tatted up south American looking chick and another is an attractive brunette chick. I’m still tired as fuck wondering wtf to do when tatted chick tells me to take my clothes off.

I try not to be a lost puppy this time and take action by just getting into the bathtub and chilling there. Still, everyone else is drunk and I’m stone cold sober. I grab the vodka bottle and take a swig. I need to work the next morning mind you. And start just vibing with them.

Honestly it was chaotic and I’m trying to recall the nights events but basically –

Golds chick goes to sleep in his bed. The hot water in the bathtub stops working and the two other girls start to get cold. I go out to see if I can fix it. Gold comes and tells me to go into his room and start trying it on with his chick since he wants to try it on with the other two. I refuse “remember what happened last time? Fuck that man”. He relents and goes to his room. I go to the bath and am standing there with the two naked chicks in the bathroom telling them the waters fucked. South American chick then goes

“Ooh you’re getting hard, it’s making me horny” (I wasn’t getting hard at all, my dick was floppier than a wet noodle, but clearly this girl was looking for a dicking down). I wasn’t even that horny since I’d jacked off that evening (can’t blame me, it was Sunday night when I did – there’s no way I could have foreseen this happening).

Maybe I should have said something like “Why don’t you come over here and do something about it then”. Since going back into the cold bath didn’t seem like the best idea. I don’t recall much of what happened after that – Gold came back, the girls started to complain about how cold it was getting and got out. Brunette asked if I had something warm. I went to find something but while looking for my oodie Brunette decided she wanted to go home and south American chick went with her. Gold went to his room and fucked stripper chick.

I later found out that Gold had already had a threesome with stripper chick and south American chick previously. Gold told me that he’d been talking to her at the club when Stripper came and pulled him away from her telling him it was her birthday (so she wanted him for herself). South American chick then started crying. Then eventually her, stripper and the brunette chick (who had a BOYFRIEND. Can you imagine if your girl did this) decided to all come to our hours for the afterparty.

Clearly with Gold and the stripper chick hooking up and South American being jealous, she was horny and looking for dick. But I was not able to give it to her.

I honestly didn’t give a shit. Would have been nice but honestly I was actually fucked from that weekend and was relieved to sleep. Or maybe that’s just me being a pussy. It would have been a great story if I fucked her. Man I’ve gotten into so many situations like this where if I’d just put my P in her V it would have been a legendary story but I didn’t for one reason or another and so it ends up just being a lame “almost” story about how I didn’t fuck her. Oh well.

3. Golds Strippers Round 2

Strip comes over, this time with this super hot black chick. She begs me to come have a drink with them and Gold (It's Monday 4pm mind you, I'm still working). But I decide fuck it. I was moving out the next week anyway, this would be the last time this would happen. We're chilling on the bed shooting the shit, stripper finds out I'm moving out and say's she's genuinely sad about it, and it cuddling up next to me. I start chatting to the hot black chick who apparently is on xanax. Strip told me this meant she wouldn't be able to remember anything.

At some point in the convo we start talking about sex and the girls start bemoaning how they rarely orgasm. I use sexual prizing here indirectly by laughing about "how clueless guys are". Strip starts giving me shit saying "you don't know women better than they know themselves. I guarantee you women have faked it around you. Every woman has". I just say "I'm sure they have at some point, and I'm not saying I can do it every time, but with a bit of training and guidance you can get any woman to orgasm, it might just take a bit of time.

At this point Strip shut up and started talking about something else, but I can tell that had worked with the black chick. We shifted positions and I was lying next to her (Gold had sort of set this up so we'd be next to each other). Gold then went a step further and took Strip to the bathroom leaving me and black chick alone. Soon after that we were making out but then Strip decides to barge in. "No, she's on Xanax you can't". Gold comes in looking annoyed. All four of us chill before grabbing pizza (note the black chick at this point was one of those girls who expected men to pay for everything, I ended up paying for the pizza and didn't at the time have a good comeback to avoid doing this. I also found out that she had an ex boyfriend who she was still living with who still paid for everything for her (he was a club owner and rich apparently, but had no self respect apparently). Anyway, Gold and Strip said they wanted some private time, so me at HBBlack went over to my room. At this point the vibe was different, not like before with the makeout. We were eating pizza and it was quite platonic. I didn't find a good moment to go for it again without being uncalibrated. A little bit into this she sees my piano and asks if I play. I say yes. We end up both sitting on the stool with me playing her some tunes and some songs that I've made. "You made that?! It sounds like Alicia Keys!". Nice ego stroke. I start teaching her some more when Strip barges in again.

Strip: "We're leaving"
HBBlack: "What? No I want to stay here!"
Strip: "No, we're going"

After a bit of protesting they both leave. I probably could have done more to convince Strip that it was all good, but I later found out it would have been difficult. I found out that Strip was in a bad mood because Gold didn't want to fuck her, so she in a rage decided to leave. Gold told me that she had started acting up and started pissing him off. Anyway, after they both left Gold said "that's my going away present for you bro". And that was that.

3. Instadate Cute Tourist

Met a cute tall girl on the beach - she was wondering around slowly with a camera which was the perfect open. Opened, she was skeptical at the start but hooked. Started walking and chatting, I found out she was a tourist from Sydney. After 10 minutes I told her I actually needed to go and get a present for my niece. Unfortunately the store was going to close and her birthday was the next morning. And also, the store was 20 minutes away by car, not walking distance. Otherwise there's no way in hell I would have left the interaction.

Now here's where it gets interesting. I told her this and told her I had to run to the shops but that we should grab a drink after, but she heard it as "come to the shops with me and we'll grab a drink after". So after walking and getting to my car, she suddenly jolted.

"Oh I thought we were going to the shops!"

I then explained the situation and told her that I needed to drive to the store. I told her she was welcome to come but she said she wanted to stay to watch the penguins. We exchanged numbers and made plans to meet in a couple hours.

Of course, after getting the stuff from the store and texting, she told me that she was feeling tired and wanted to just stay at home as she had to leave the next day. I left it.

This one was frustrating. I would not have left if I didn't need to go to the shops and leaving and having that space obviously sucked her out of the moment.

4. LGBT Chicks

Out with Enzo when this short blonde chick walks past. I tap her on the shoulder and motion for her to come over. Immediately we're in each others space.

"How have you been" I say. Roleplaying as if we already knew each other. Start teasing her that we were supposed to meet an hour ago and she was late. She's lapping it up. Her friends come by - this sexy brunette chick and a dorky looking dude. The sexy brunette introduces herself by giving Enzo and I big wet kisses on the cheek. There's something about these chicks, they're both extremely sensual.

Eventually they all pull away to the dancefloor. I go back, re-engage blondie for a bit, acknowledging the friends, then leave to find Enzo.

At the bar, I engage the blondie again - at this point she's hooked, and tells me "lets go dance" grabbing my hand. But the two friends interrupt.

"Lets get a drink". So we go. At this point we've mixed up a bit. Enzo is talking to the blonde, and I'm talking to the sexy brunette. I'm a little upset at this since it was on with the blonde, however the brunette was hotter.

We started talking - she's giving me her drink. Out of the corner of my eye I see Enzo and blondie hitting it off.

At some point, brunette goes "I should probably let you know, I'm lesbian".

I take what she says at face value and start getting a bit frustrated, since I was hitting it off with blondie and now her and Enzo were making out, while the one I was talking to was a lesbian. I go up the Enzo to try to tell him, and he tells me "bro, blondie told me she was lesbian too, they're bi. They're in a relationship with each other"

I start talking to brunette more. I'd had a bit to drink and we were right up close to each other. She was fucking sexy. And then we're making out. It wasn't long though.

I notice Enzo has gone, and blondie comes up and whispers something in her ear. Brunette goes to me

"You know your friend did a really shit thing. He said he'd buy us drinks but then when the payment came he didn't"

Now I knew Enzo, and knew that he would never in a million years offer to buy these chicks a round. But I still wanted to bang this chick. So I kept it civil, defending my friend and saying "That doesn't sound like something he'd do" but in a calm tone to show it was no big deal to me.

Enzo comes back, I explain the situation to him and he says that's not something he would do. Enzo later told me he suspected these chicks were trying to get us to buy them drinks. I was not sure though, since they were giving us their drinks.

Anyway, the vibe was different after this. I had another drunken makeout with brunette but then with things sour between Enzo and his chick we bounced.

My makeouts with the brunette however were quick and without passion. Enzo and blondie had good passionate ones. He turns the chicks on to the point they're super into it. Mine it's like the chicks find me physically appealing but still the rest is not quite there yet.

5. Pretty Welsh Backpacker

Was out at a bar with Enzo again. We're getting drinks, I turn around and suddenly this very pretty Welsh girl is in my face looking up at me with the biggest beam on her face. Turns out Enzo was talking to her blonde friend. We start to chat, I'm flirting and teasing and eventually it's just us along. I attempt to isolate but she said she has to find her friend. I tell her I'm going to find Enzo.

Later on, we see each other again. At some point in the conversation, her bubbly energy is too much in a good way. I tell her "You know you're energy is infectious and kind of sexy. I actually want to kiss you". Pretty lame. She tells me "I don't want to" and then clarifies. "Not yet". I need to head to the bathroom, tell her this and she says to come find her later.

I didn't see her for ages, then caught them walking out about half an hour later. Number closed and messaged. She came over the my side of town for a drink, but only had one and had to leave. Despite my proximity, eye contact and attempts to sexualise, they seemed to bounce off this chick. Platonic vibes. The date ended.

Second date - went over to her side of town. We were sitting opposite each other on a tiny bench. Again, was hard to sexualise with this chick as everything just seemed to bounce off her. Again it ended platonically.

For the third she agreed to come over to my place. We went to grab some snacks from the shops, came back and watched a few tv shows, the whole time getting closer and closer until we were pretty much embracing. I waited too long but about 1 and a half hours in (way way way too long) before we put on the next episode, I told her "wait, before we watch the next episode there's something I need to do first" (I've actually used that line a couple times with success when watching TV with a chick hence bolded) I then went in for the kiss and.. this chick was a terrible kisser! It was awful. She wasn't opening her mouth at all. I don't know how to describe it. It was just bad. Anyway, she teased me saying "you like to use tongue!". I didn't say anything. She gave me another peck on the lips with a smile and then said she should be going soon. We watched a bit more of the episode then she left.

I didn't text her the next day and was thinking about sending a text saying that I wasn't feeling it when she texting me telling me that she loved hanging out with me but didn't feel ready to date but that she wanted me as a friend (lol). Friendzoned. I told her I wasn't really looking for friends and that it was for the best if we left it here. And that was that.

For this one I think I came across as too boyfriendy. While we were on my couch she had mentioned something about how she was new to the country and didn't want to get into a relationship quickly. She didn't say it about me but just in general. Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough that I wasn't looking for anything serious - she may have thought I was and freaked out. And my lover value wasn't high enough for a wild romp. So that was that.

6. LR - Bumble

I matched with a chick on Bumble who I'd actually dated a couple years ago. She was a couple years older. A short and quite beautiful (but definitely showing a bit of age) dancer. We'd gone on a few dates but she refused my kiss after the 3rd and I just lost interest after that, started responding slowly and it died. Never ended up fucking her.

This time around though I decided whatever, I'll go for it again. Pretty standard, we met up at a chill bar, then bounced to a second more intimate venue where we were sitting right next to each other. At some point she mentioned loving LOTR and at this point I just went in for the kiss, after that saying "I can't help it, women who love LOTR are my kryptonite. This bar that these mattresses you could lie on, so we went and lied there next to each other, bonding over shared trauma (in this case over dead friends and family, depressing I know). Already felt much different to two years ago where after three dates there was no kiss.

Second time around we went for dinner (I know I know, but this chick really liked doing dinners, even last time we dated the first date was a dinner). After a few drinks I invited her home to play piano. She agreed which I was again surprised about. Got her home, played her some tunes, we made out and went to bed. However, faced resistance when trying to take her pants off. She told me she took a long time to warm up to people. Chilled and said "It's all good". Told me she had to leave but I knew that she wanted to see me again.

Third time, date was in a park near mine, then back to my place. There were last minute concerns I had to overcome. The main one being if I was looking for a relationship or something casual, because "I don't want to open myself up to someone unless they're open to something more happening". I was honest and told her that I was open to the idea, but that I really needed to know and connect with someone first. I told her that I enjoyed spending time with her and that if it grew into something more, perfect. But if not, that that would be ok too. You could tell she was thinking it through. Eventually she gave in. I went for a long time and she told me she was getting close, which "had never happened before". Unfortunately I busted before this could happen.

I went to Europe soon after this. When I came back, we tried catching up for a long time and eventually did. This time, we chilled at her place, ate tacos then went to bed again. I didn't last that long this time unfortunately.

However, I lost interest after this for a couple of reasons. First, her texting hinted that she wanted to meet up multiple times per week, which I was not ready for. Secondly, there was a bit of a.. pretentious? Attitude about her which I didn't like. While we were sleeping together the second time she made comments like "I don't let many people this close to me. It's a privilege" She didn't say it in an arrogant way, more off-hand. But I didn't really like it. Third, we just weren't compatible. I joked and bantered a lot but it kind of went over her head and she wasn't able to give it back to me. Not the biggest deal by itself, but at this point I knew I didn't want a relationship with her and so I didn't want to waste any more of her time. And so it ended.

7. LR - Hinge

Met this pretty Indian doctor on Hinge. Took her to the same places as the previous one. Now this chick I actually loved her personality. She was so positive despite seeing fucked up things as a doctor. Not really much to write about. When I isolated at the second spot, I transitioned to the kiss by stopping talking - looking her directly in the eyes. Then she said "What are you thinking"

I said "The best way to kiss you right now".
"Don't think about it, just do it".
And we did.

The date ended early, I knew this would be a day 2. Had her over to mine for cocktails, and went to it. No LMR. We caught up a couple more times after that, but each time I was less and less interested in having sex. This chick was objectively pretty but she just wasn't doing it for me anymore. Which was a shame since I loved her personality, and she was easily the type of girl I could see myself being in a relationship with. But the sexual attraction just faded. The last time we slept together before I went to Europe, she told me that she really liked me. Which made me feel bad since I didn't feel the same.

After coming back from Europe, I didn't contact her and she messaged me again after a few weeks. I told her that she was lovely but had decided after travelling Europe that I didn't see myself dating anyone seriously. She was cool with it and we ended on good terms.

8. LR - Hot Tatted Up Chick (Europe)

Right after my bootcamp ended, I see this banging chick walking down the street in Krakow old town. Not only does she have a banging body but she's covered head to toe in tatts (even her face had tattoos). Pale with jet black hair.

I approach direct. And damn this chick is hot. She's travelling from Manchester and is leaving the next day. Unfortunately I had a dinner with the coaches that evening and told her it was a shame, that I would have loved to hang out with her. She asks what I'm doing the next day and I say I'm free. We exchange instas.

The next morning I send her a message and we make plans to meet in Old town around midday. She has to leave at 5pm. We meet. I deep dive, looking her right in the eyes while also keeping things light hearted. Slowly we change to a few different venues that I've explored over the last couple of days and end up sitting on a park bench watching a fountain. This is 5 minutes from my AirBNB, just as I'd planned.

We start making out (I forgot how) and I start pulling back since I want to continue at my place. She keeps leaning in to keep kissing me - I have to pull her off "Hey, I think we should go to my place instead."

"Where is it?"
"Just over that way"

We walk and get inside. I give her a water and we're both drinking. She sitting on the chair, I'm sitting on the bed, right opposite her. We're talking platonically but the vibe is anything but. We're both looking directly into each others eyes and it's electric. I pull her in and we starting making out on the bed. Clothes come off. I start eating her out, she's moaning. Then she gets on top and starts riding me. It's extremely hot and we're both sweating like crazy. At this point and I'm not sure what the forum thinks about this (since usually it's the other way around - dudes doing it to the chick) but I really wanted this chick to spit in my mouth. I don't know, there was something primal and hot about it and I wanted to try it since I did it to my ex and she seemed like the sort of chick who'd be down. I ordered her to do it and she did twice and then kissed me. I'm not going to lie, I enjoyed it a lot. Does that make me a sub? Lol

After we were done we were sweating like crazy.

"Wow" is all she said, which I'll take as a compliment. I picked her brain afterwards to ask when she realised she wanted to fuck me.

"When you came up to me. Because you were hot and also it takes balls to come up to a complete stranger"

I was going to go for round 2 but at this point it was 4 and she told me she was definitely going to miss her train. We both went to get some food and said our goodbyes, with her telling me that if I was ever in Manchester to get in touch.

9. HBPoland (Europe)

The very next day, I had a date set with a cute Polish girl I'd met at a mall during the bootcamp. This one had blonde curly hair - I hadn't spotted her but my coach had. He was the one who told me to go after her because "she looks receptive". I did, the interaction went well.

I went to pretty much the same spots as I had with the last one. She commented on my intense eye contact and told me how much she liked it. When we were at the park bench I tried to kiss her by asking her "if she'd ever kissed an Australian before". She was shy and said no but pulled back when I went for it. No matter, I pulled back with a smile.

I found out her logistics - she lived quite far away and had to take a train in an hour and a half back to her small village. I convinced her to come back to my AirBNB, promising her that I'd get her to her train in time. This put her at ease and she came. We made out on my bed passionately, but the clothes would not come off.

"In Poland, we don't do this first time meeting someone"
"My heart wants to but my mind says no"

I chilled, said it was all good, made out some more and made more attempts but got the same resistance every time. Eventually, the time came when she had to leave to get her train. I walked her to the train station and off she went.

10. Another HBPoland (Europe)

On the bootcamp, me and the other dude doing the program (J) appoached these two chicks heading to the club. Our coach was there watching. J went for the blonde one (who apparently was trying to get away from him on approach) and I went for the brunette. After chatting a little bit, we stalled, when our coach came into the interaction and straight up told the girls "where are you going? To the club?" And then turned to us and in plain earshot of the girls told us "Now ask them if it's cool to come with". Which we did. Coach then disappeared, the girls having momentarily short circuited when coach came by snapped out of it. We both went to the club together. Throughout the night, we hung out as a group of four, eventually splitting into twos and making out. We knew the girls weren't going to go anywhere without the other. J was determined to get the double pull. So it's 4am at this point, we all leave the club together and are walking through the streets of Krakow. I'm talking to mine and try to inject some sexualisation by asking her where the craziest place she has had sex is (after building up to it by asking about previous dating experiences etc). But she was uncomfortable answering this. At the second venue, J is getting frustrated. But he takes blondie out to the street where they have a converstaion, and soon after this they come in - Blondie has agreed to go to Js house, on the condition we all go.

So we walk, for 30 minutes and reach the front door when! Blondie takes one look at the door and says "It was nice to meet you J. Not tonight". They both leave. Keep in mind it's 6:00am, we've been with these girls 6 hours. J is dumbfounded and when they leave gets upset, but I calm him down. "It's all good bro. Remember what *coach* said. Whenever you don't get what you want from the universe, just laugh and don't let it get to you. Because that's when the universe will give you what you want".

I left three days later and despite trying to make it happen, was not able to meet up with my chick again. J stayed longer and was able to see Blondie, and they ended up sleeping together.

11. Sexy 18YO Hungarian (Europe)

Was at a club in Budapest when I opened a two set. Immediately their hot friend (who I'd seen previously kissing another dude) pushes them both out of the way to talk to me herself. I found this amusing and started teasing her about that. Another dude who I'd met that night opened her friend afterwards. I'm talking to mine and say we should head to the dancefloor. She wants to but checks with her friend who gives the all clear, so we go. And end up making out. However, at this point the friend comes by and says they need to leave. The other dude I mentioned is there and he is pulling out all stops to get his chick to stay to no avail. I insta close mine after suggesting drinks (I didn't go for the close that night). The other dude doesn't convince his to stay and they both leave. The reason they gave is the last train was coming and they lived far away, and if they didn't get that train they would have to take the buses which they didn't like. After they left the dude was like "Meh, she wasn't that hot anyway. Yours was super sexy though, I wanted her". That was a nice ego boost.

Anyway, the next day I texted her asking her schedule, to which she enthusiastically said she was free Tuesday. Here's where I think I made a mistake. I said "That works, I fly out Wednesday so will be good to catch up before that" and suggested a place. Immediately after this she unfollowed and blocked me. I suspect she thought since I was flying out Wednesday my only intent was to fuck her then leave, especially after how persistent the other dude had been with her friend.

That was a shame.

I have many many more interactions from the trip but these were the main ones. It's probably not the best use of my time to write them all out - rather the next posts will be on Enzo and Golds interactions as well as my bootcamp and the main takeaways.
 
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Enzo

So Enzo slept with 28 women last year. And when I say these chicks were sexy I mean it. I’m talking strippers (actually hot ones), ukranian models etc etc. And he’s a 39 year old 5’6 Sri Lankan dude (granted, he looks young and he’s built with tatts and a good face (not your stereotypical Sri Lankan/Indian but still)


Some of Enzos conquests (just from the last two months alone)

The Stripper


Enzo tells me he wants to take me to a strip club for learning purposes. “These are really good spots because it gets you used to interacting with actual hot chicks, not mids. You experience what it’s like to have chicks chasing you (in this case for your money). And you can say whatever the fuck you want to them. I tell them shit like “I want to eat your ass” and they love it. I don’t give a fuck”

So we’re out at a birthday, and we end up at strip club. Hotties everywhere. This super hot tall brunette is walking past and Enzo motions for her to come over. They’re chatting. Enzo is super expressive (he uses his hands a lot) and energetic. He always has a giant smile on his face, a booming laugh and touches the chicks liberally while also getting extremely sexual with them. He's extremely sexually direct. It was impossible for me to hear what they were saying in the environment but he later told me that he told her “You know if I wasn’t gay I would have loved to eat your ass” ("tell them you're gay and they see it as a challenge") And was trying to get her to give another dude there who was with us a lap dance. He Instagram closed her, and told me that over the next couple of days she had been messaging him to hang out.

They eventually hung out – she came straight over to his place and they fucked before she went off for dinner with some friends, and that was that. “It’s only a one time thing” he told me. I was envious. This chick was ridiculously hot and 21 years old. A couple other times we went and he would end up buying lap dances and making out with the chicks almost every time (which wasn’t allowed). They were just so into it. He even regularly got them to give their details out.


English Backpacker

I wasn’t there for this one, I was sick at home. But Enzo went out to this small bar where there were these two English chicks taking photos. He took the opportunity to initiate conversation with them. Another dude was their with his Asian friend. The dude hooked up with her friend, and the Asian one had his sights set on Enzos.

Enzo made out with her, they bounced to another venue (all five, including Asian dude) where he continually tried to steal the girl. She was enjoying the attention and would sit on his lap. Her friend also wanted her to hook up with Asian dude since she was hooking up with his friend. Enzo shut him down.

They bounced to another bar (a dingy nightclub where most people are on something) and immediately went to the bathroom where he proceeded to eat this chicks ass (I shit you not, no pun intended). People started knocking on the door and they left, but half an hour later came back and fucked in the toilets. At this point Asian dude had admitted defeat and left. His friend (who was hooking up with her friend) also left.

So now the three of them (Enzo, his chick and her friend) left the venue. He sent me a video of them kissing in the street (I saw it the next morning). And this chick was fucking sexy, it again made me envious). He told me that she kept trying to grab his dick and couldn’t keep her hands off him in public. So while her friend was on the phone and distracted, Enzo took his chick to a nearby alley and fucked her.

But wait, there’s more. It’s 4am, Enzo decides that he wants to show them this cool beach he knows. So they walk back to his house, he drives them both to the beach, and while the friend is chilling on the beach, he takes his chick away to some hidden away rocks and fucks her there too (he later showed me where he did it). At this point the chick told him that she wanted to just fuck him all day.

At this point, Enzo drove the friend back, and at this point she’d accepted that they were a thing, so let them go back to Enzos, where he proceeded to fuck this chick all day, with her just leaving around 3pm. He told me she was screaming so loud he was afraid the neighbours would be mad. She proceeded to call and text him over the next couple of days to hang out again, they did once more before she had to leave.



Sexy Colombian

Enzo and I were walking on the beach. He spots this ridiculously sexy Colombian chick and opens her. Immediately it’s on, they’re flirting, touching each other. They exchange details. And hang out a few days later. He told me they went for a coffee, and then proceeded to go fuck in the bushes nearby (he’d fucked a chick here before years ago). The Colombian chick was 19 and thanked him for approaching her, since she hadn’t had sex in 5 months and not since coming to Australia. She left soon after. Again I was envious having seen this chick.



Ukranian Model


Again I wasn’t there for this one. I found out the next morning. Enzo was at the bar with a couple of his mates when he notices a beautiful girl eyeing him. After approaching at chatting, they go off to the beach nearby which is where they start making out. He faces a bit of resistance with her at the beach but her house is nearby – he suggests they go there and that he won’t do anything that she doesn’t want to. They go back to hers and do the deed. The photo he sent the next morning of this girl was quite nuts. She looked like someone out of a magazine cover, a girl you’d see in a Bond film. 21 years old.

This was a few days after the English Backpacker.


“Lesbian” chick


This actually happened last night. I had the flu so wasn’t out. He texted me this morning about it then sent a voice message.

“First root of 2024. I opened her saying “I’m going to impregnate you” and she just laughed. She said “I’d have babies with you but I’m a lesbian”. Then I said “That’s alright, everythings gotta change now and then. Man theres no other way in nightgame other than being direct and playful and shit.

We were just talking nothing but sex and then I told her “you’re a lesbian, do you eat girls asses” and she said “ewww no” and I’m like going “That is a very PG-13 lesbian what kind of shit is that. I was just ripping into her and then at one point just told her “This is unacceptable, you haven’t even had your own ass eaten” so I told her to go to the fucking toilet clean up and then we went for a walk and I sent it bro”

These are only a few, he showed me photos of others and it’s quite ridiculous.

His mindset


Most of these girls he doesn’t see anything with, so he doesn’t give a fuck (in his own words). He’s horny as fuck, willing to eat girls asses in a dirty toilet (I wouldn’t do that, only if she’s washed which if she’s out at a club, she probably hasn’t). He only goes for the hottest chicks, and has called me out multiple times for approaching “mids”.

The chicks he says this stuff about are not knockouts by any means, but I find them fuckable at least, but he tells me “bro I want you aiming for these 10s. None of this other bs”. Part of me has resisted this. “If I just go for the 10s, it’ll be months or longer between getting laid”. I

“Good, I’d rather that than going for mids”. Mind you I still approach the knockout hotties for the most part (I still struggle when they look really young though). But in addition to that approach chicks he doesn't find appealing at all.

Which has contradicted his previous advice of “fuck average chicks to get the XP up so you know what you’re doing with the hot ones”. Nevetheless, I have found this mindset has started rubbing off on me. I don’t know if this is a good thing since I’ve passed up perfectly attractive down to earth looking chicks out of embarrassment of what he’d think. Keep in mind this dude has been with over 200 women, a ton of beautiful ones.


He is a natural, had his first BJ at 14 and multiple experiences in high school (but actually didn’t go all the way until 19 at uni since he (in his own words) was a “chode who didn’t know what I was doing”. Fucked I think 9 chicks the same year he lost his V-card in uni, including having a threesome, and also knocked up a model a few years later at 21 (the kid is 17 now). They lived together for 6 years raising the baby. After that he was the manager of a nightclub, and would regularly pull easily. At one point he was dating a stripper and they would regularly have pool parties. At once point, she brought a bunch of her friends over and he ended up fucking five of them in one day.


Enzo told me he used to get in fights as a kid, and even got expelled from a high school. Outside of uni he got charged with assault after throwing a dude through a window on a night out (the dude had it coming). He was in the army and saw a dude die in training, and others as well in the course of his life, and his mother passed away too. He did a degree in Computer Science, realized he didn’t like it, so did Psychology and ended up becoming a PT for a few years, and now works in recruitment. He also does photography as a side hobby (and has fucked numerous girls after photographing them)


Why do I say all this? I say it because the dude has lived. Not just women, but life in general.

He often tells me he doesn’t understand how women are so drawn to him. I told him it was because he was so comfortable around them since he was used to them, but this doesn’t explain why he was getting BJs at 14.


I’ve opened up about my concerns to him. He tells me it doesn’t matter about his history or anything else, that I can do the same thing and have the same effect. That I have to fake it till I make it. It’s been equal parts inspiring and depressing. Now Enzos not perfect. Just this last week, there was a chick he took photos of and made out with but didn’t bang. He told me this one might actually be GF material and described why (only been with two dudes, doesn’t go out clubbing etc). But he dragged it out. They met on the 23rd of December, I told him when he was seeing her next, he said the 30th. But she wanted to meet up the next day to get the photos. I told him he should have had her around and banged her to get it out of the way. He said it was all good, chicks have friendzoned him in the past and they always come around. The 30th comes (a whole week) and they’re meant to hang. He flakes again since he wanted to hang with us. Then they were messaging each other on NYE. He thinks she wanted to hang out but he was busy hanging with me. I told him he needs to bang her otherwise it might fade away.


Sure enough, on the 2nd of Jan he tried getting her to meet up, but she ghosted him. And he was cut up about it. But recovered soon after. This showed me that no matter how experienced you are, oneitis can still hit. I should note before that he kept showing me pics and videos of her telling me how hot she was. I didn’t call it out but I should have told him to not talk about her so much until he banged her. It was a good lesson for me too, backing myself. He may have been with over 200 chicks but I had the right idea about what he should have done with this chick.


I’ll go back to him in a bit but let me talk about Gold for a bit



Gold


I’m sleeping on Saturday after being out when I hear voices. It’s Gold coming home. But I hear not one but two girls talking. They go into his room, and soon I hear him starting to moan. I heard the bed creaking for an eternity until they left. The next day I chatted to him and found out what happened:


He’d been out at a club. And he was on, talking to and making out with girls left and right, when two chicks came up to him (one he said was exactly his type, short and blonde. The other tall and brunette). They said they were lesbians. Would have been funny if they were the chicks Enzo and I talked to but didn’t feel those two would have been at that specific club. After some chatting they invited themselves to his house (he said his phone died and needed a lift home anyway so was glad)


Then he described in detail fucking these two chicks “in every position imaginable. At one point one was on top of the other making out and I’d fuck them both, one missionary and the other doggy just by moving my dick up and down! It was awesome” Then he told me he was so drunk he couldn’t come which the chicks were offended by.



Back to Enzo to tie it all up.


I’m blessed to have befriended Enzo and Gold. Enzo especially has taken a particular liking to me – at one point we were hanging almost everyday. We still hang out multiple times a week and talk everyday – he says he considers me one of his brothers.

It’s a blessing because it’s been incredible seeing what’s possible. And inspiring. And they have both seen it in me and have wanted to bring it out. They see that what they are capable of I am capable of.


But at the same time, it’s hard not to feel envy when you look at it and feel like you are far far far behind. And feel self doubt. I have experienced pangs of depression since coming back since despite my efforts I have not had many positive experiences in that time. And counterintuitively while inspiring I have been taking less action (but channeling that focus on other lifestyle factors). Now I know what’s happening out there. Before I was a bit more blissfully ignorant.

But would I rather go back to ignorance? No. Enzo particularly has opened my eyes to a lot of gaps. He has called me out on multiple things which I knew before but had sort of been avoiding. Namely:


He is afraid of me being a pick up guy and not having anything else going for me. I have a hard time explaining that by necessity if I wanted to get to his level I would need to do almost nothing else but pick up and sacrifice other parts of my life. He’s saying it from the perspective of someone who is already highly skilled so to him the amount of work it seems I need to do is not as large.


I do have other hobbies (and I told him this) but he had a point that I didn’t really have any female friends or a big circle around me. I used to have this years ago, we’d go out all the time. Most of them coupled up though, and now the group only plays board games which I’m not into, so I stopped hanging out with them as much.


Enzo on the other hand, I was amazed at how many people he would talk to in a day. He’d tell me how he was messaging this girl and that girl, would talk to his son every day, would message me everyday and hang out frequently, as well as messaging a bunch of other friends. I asked him how he did it.


“Beam, I want you to track your entire week and see where your time is going. Any time wasting, cut it out. I have a calendar and I check and modify it every day. I always plan what I’m doing and when. Also with texting, I don’t do any of this “wait to text so they don’t think you’re needy” bs. I text right away, as soon as I see it or as soon as I can.


So I have started incorporating this. I’ll go into it in more detail. Also, last year when I was expressing similar depressive thoughts around hanging out with Gold and Stache, the guys in the chat suggested going out alone more. And really, the six girls I have slept with in the last year and a bit, five have been from me doing my own thing and one when I was out with Gold. So I have said the same thing to Enzo, I want to keep hanging but want to go solo a lot more from now on. I feel the best going solo. Of course it makes me a bit sad that I’m not at the same level because we could be having crazy double pulls etc. But I have to realize that I must compete in my own lane and stop comparing myself. And the easiest way to do this is by incorporating the lessons from Enzo and Gold while taking much more solo action (while also hanging out with them still, just less frequently)


Next post will be on the program but also lifestyle changes I have incorporated to try to improve my self discipline.
 
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Enzo

So Enzo slept with 28 women last year. And when I say these chicks were sexy I mean it. I’m talking strippers (actually hot ones), ukranian models etc etc. And he’s a 39 year old 5’6 Sri Lankan dude (granted, he looks young and he’s built with tatts and a good face (not your stereotypical Sri Lankan/Indian but still)


Some of Enzos conquests (just from the last two months alone)

The Stripper


Enzo tells me he wants to take me to a strip club for learning purposes. “These are really good spots because it gets you used to interacting with actual hot chicks, not mids. You experience what it’s like to have chicks chasing you (in this case for your money). And you can say whatever the fuck you want to them. I tell them shit like “I want to eat your ass” and they love it. I don’t give a fuck”

So we’re out at a birthday, and we end up at strip club. Hotties everywhere. This super hot tall brunette is walking past and Enzo motions for her to come over. They’re chatting. Enzo is super expressive (he uses his hands a lot) and energetic. He always has a giant smile on his face, a booming laugh and touches the chicks liberally while also getting extremely sexual with them. He's extremely sexually direct. It was impossible for me to hear what they were saying in the environment but he later told me that he told her “You know if I wasn’t gay I would have loved to eat your ass” ("tell them you're gay and they see it as a challenge") And was trying to get her to give another dude there who was with us a lap dance. He Instagram closed her, and told me that over the next couple of days she had been messaging him to hang out.

They eventually hung out – she came straight over to his place and they fucked before she went off for dinner with some friends, and that was that. “It’s only a one time thing” he told me. I was envious. This chick was ridiculously hot and 21 years old. A couple other times we went and he would end up buying lap dances and making out with the chicks almost every time (which wasn’t allowed). They were just so into it. He even regularly got them to give their details out.


English Backpacker

I wasn’t there for this one, I was sick at home. But Enzo went out to this small bar where there were these two English chicks taking photos. He took the opportunity to initiate conversation with them. Another dude was their with his Asian friend. The dude hooked up with her friend, and the Asian one had his sights set on Enzos.

Enzo made out with her, they bounced to another venue (all five, including Asian dude) where he continually tried to steal the girl. She was enjoying the attention and would sit on his lap. Her friend also wanted her to hook up with Asian dude since she was hooking up with his friend. Enzo shut him down.

They bounced to another bar (a dingy nightclub where most people are on something) and immediately went to the bathroom where he proceeded to eat this chicks ass (I shit you not, no pun intended). People started knocking on the door and they left, but half an hour later came back and fucked in the toilets. At this point Asian dude had admitted defeat and left. His friend (who was hooking up with her friend) also left.

So now the three of them (Enzo, his chick and her friend) left the venue. He sent me a video of them kissing in the street (I saw it the next morning). And this chick was fucking sexy, it again made me envious). He told me that she kept trying to grab his dick and couldn’t keep her hands off him in public. So while her friend was on the phone and distracted, Enzo took his chick to a nearby alley and fucked her.

But wait, there’s more. It’s 4am, Enzo decides that he wants to show them this cool beach he knows. So they walk back to his house, he drives them both to the beach, and while the friend is chilling on the beach, he takes his chick away to some hidden away rocks and fucks her there too (he later showed me where he did it). At this point the chick told him that she wanted to just fuck him all day.

At this point, Enzo drove the friend back, and at this point she’d accepted that they were a thing, so let them go back to Enzos, where he proceeded to fuck this chick all day, with her just leaving around 3pm. He told me she was screaming so loud he was afraid the neighbours would be mad. She proceeded to call and text him over the next couple of days to hang out again, they did once more before she had to leave.



Sexy Colombian

Enzo and I were walking on the beach. He spots this ridiculously sexy Colombian chick and opens her. Immediately it’s on, they’re flirting, touching each other. They exchange details. And hang out a few days later. He told me they went for a coffee, and then proceeded to go fuck in the bushes nearby (he’d fucked a chick here before years ago). The Colombian chick was 19 and thanked him for approaching her, since she hadn’t had sex in 5 months and not since coming to Australia. She left soon after. Again I was envious having seen this chick.



Ukranian Model


Again I wasn’t there for this one. I found out the next morning. Enzo was at the bar with a couple of his mates when he notices a beautiful girl eyeing him. After approaching at chatting, they go off to the beach nearby which is where they start making out. He faces a bit of resistance with her at the beach but her house is nearby – he suggests they go there and that he won’t do anything that she doesn’t want to. They go back to hers and do the deed. The photo he sent the next morning of this girl was quite nuts. She looked like someone out of a magazine cover, a girl you’d see in a Bond film. 21 years old.

This was a few days after the English Backpacker.


“Lesbian” chick


This actually happened last night. I had the flu so wasn’t out. He texted me this morning about it then sent a voice message.

“First root of 2024. I opened her saying “I’m going to impregnate you” and she just laughed. She said “I’d have babies with you but I’m a lesbian”. Then I said “That’s alright, everythings gotta change now and then. Man theres no other way in nightgame other than being direct and playful and shit.

We were just talking nothing but sex and then I told her “you’re a lesbian, do you eat girls asses” and she said “ewww no” and I’m like going “That is a very PG-13 lesbian what kind of shit is that. I was just ripping into her and then at one point just told her “This is unacceptable, you haven’t even had your own ass eaten” so I told her to go to the fucking toilet clean up and then we went for a walk and I sent it bro”

These are only a few, he showed me photos of others and it’s quite ridiculous.

His mindset


Most of these girls he doesn’t see anything with, so he doesn’t give a fuck (in his own words). He’s horny as fuck, willing to eat girls asses in a dirty toilet (I wouldn’t do that, only if she’s washed which if she’s out at a club, she probably hasn’t). He only goes for the hottest chicks, and has called me out multiple times for approaching “mids”.

The chicks he says this stuff about are not knockouts by any means, but I find them fuckable at least, but he tells me “bro I want you aiming for these 10s. None of this other bs”. Part of me has resisted this. “If I just go for the 10s, it’ll be months or longer between getting laid”. I

“Good, I’d rather that than going for mids”. Mind you I still approach the knockout hotties for the most part (I still struggle when they look really young though). But in addition to that approach chicks he doesn't find appealing at all.

Which has contradicted his previous advice of “fuck average chicks to get the XP up so you know what you’re doing with the hot ones”. Nevetheless, I have found this mindset has started rubbing off on me. I don’t know if this is a good thing since I’ve passed up perfectly attractive down to earth looking chicks out of embarrassment of what he’d think. Keep in mind this dude has been with over 200 women, a ton of beautiful ones.


He is a natural, had his first BJ at 14 and multiple experiences in high school (but actually didn’t go all the way until 19 at uni since he (in his own words) was a “chode who didn’t know what I was doing”. Fucked I think 9 chicks the same year he lost his V-card in uni, including having a threesome, and also knocked up a model a few years later at 21 (the kid is 17 now). They lived together for 6 years raising the baby. After that he was the manager of a nightclub, and would regularly pull easily. At one point he was dating a stripper and they would regularly have pool parties. At once point, she brought a bunch of her friends over and he ended up fucking five of them in one day.


Enzo told me he used to get in fights as a kid, and even got expelled from a high school. Outside of uni he got charged with assault after throwing a dude through a window on a night out (the dude had it coming). He was in the army and saw a dude die in training, and others as well in the course of his life, and his mother passed away too. He did a degree in Computer Science, realized he didn’t like it, so did Psychology and ended up becoming a PT for a few years, and now works in recruitment. He also does photography as a side hobby (and has fucked numerous girls after photographing them)


Why do I say all this? I say it because the dude has lived. Not just women, but life in general.

He often tells me he doesn’t understand how women are so drawn to him. I told him it was because he was so comfortable around them since he was used to them, but this doesn’t explain why he was getting BJs at 14.


I’ve opened up about my concerns to him. He tells me it doesn’t matter about his history or anything else, that I can do the same thing and have the same effect. That I have to fake it till I make it. It’s been equal parts inspiring and depressing. Now Enzos not perfect. Just this last week, there was a chick he took photos of and made out with but didn’t bang. He told me this one might actually be GF material and described why (only been with two dudes, doesn’t go out clubbing etc). But he dragged it out. They met on the 23rd of December, I told him when he was seeing her next, he said the 30th. But she wanted to meet up the next day to get the photos. I told him he should have had her around and banged her to get it out of the way. He said it was all good, chicks have friendzoned him in the past and they always come around. The 30th comes (a whole week) and they’re meant to hang. He flakes again since he wanted to hang with us. Then they were messaging each other on NYE. He thinks she wanted to hang out but he was busy hanging with me. I told him he needs to bang her otherwise it might fade away.


Sure enough, on the 2nd of Jan he tried getting her to meet up, but she ghosted him. And he was cut up about it. But recovered soon after. This showed me that no matter how experienced you are, oneitis can still hit. I should note before that he kept showing me pics and videos of her telling me how hot she was. I didn’t call it out but I should have told him to not talk about her so much until he banged her. It was a good lesson for me too, backing myself. He may have been with over 200 chicks but I had the right idea about what he should have done with this chick.


I’ll go back to him in a bit but let me talk about Gold for a bit



Gold


I’m sleeping on Saturday after being out when I hear voices. It’s Gold coming home. But I hear not one but two girls talking. They go into his room, and soon I hear him starting to moan. I heard the bed creaking for an eternity until they left. The next day I chatted to him and found out what happened:


He’d been out at a club. And he was on, talking to and making out with girls left and right, when two chicks came up to him (one he said was exactly his type, short and blonde. The other tall and brunette). They said they were lesbians. Would have been funny if they were the chicks Enzo and I talked to but didn’t feel those two would have been at that specific club. After some chatting they invited themselves to his house (he said his phone died and needed a lift home anyway so was glad)


Then he described in detail fucking these two chicks “in every position imaginable. At one point one was on top of the other making out and I’d fuck them both, one missionary and the other doggy just by moving my dick up and down! It was awesome” Then he told me he was so drunk he couldn’t come which the chicks were offended by.



Back to Enzo to tie it all up.


I’m blessed to have befriended Enzo and Gold. Enzo especially has taken a particular liking to me – at one point we were hanging almost everyday. We still hang out multiple times a week and talk everyday – he says he considers me one of his brothers.

It’s a blessing because it’s been incredible seeing what’s possible. And inspiring. And they have both seen it in me and have wanted to bring it out. They see that what they are capable of I am capable of.


But at the same time, it’s hard not to feel envy when you look at it and feel like you are far far far behind. And feel self doubt. I have experienced pangs of depression since coming back since despite my efforts I have not had many positive experiences in that time. And counterintuitively while inspiring I have been taking less action (but channeling that focus on other lifestyle factors). Now I know what’s happening out there. Before I was a bit more blissfully ignorant.

But would I rather go back to ignorance? No. Enzo particularly has opened my eyes to a lot of gaps. He has called me out on multiple things which I knew before but had sort of been avoiding. Namely:


He is afraid of me being a pick up guy and not having anything else going for me. I have a hard time explaining that by necessity if I wanted to get to his level I would need to do almost nothing else but pick up and sacrifice other parts of my life. He’s saying it from the perspective of someone who is already highly skilled so to him the amount of work it seems I need to do is not as large.


I do have other hobbies (and I told him this) but he had a point that I didn’t really have any female friends or a big circle around me. I used to have this years ago, we’d go out all the time. Most of them coupled up though, and now the group only plays board games which I’m not into, so I stopped hanging out with them as much.


Enzo on the other hand, I was amazed at how many people he would talk to in a day. He’d tell me how he was messaging this girl and that girl, would talk to his son every day, would message me everyday and hang out frequently, as well as messaging a bunch of other friends. I asked him how he did it.


“Beam, I want you to track your entire week and see where your time is going. Any time wasting, cut it out. I have a calendar and I check and modify it every day. I always plan what I’m doing and when. Also with texting, I don’t do any of this “wait to text so they don’t think you’re needy” bs. I text right away, as soon as I see it or as soon as I can.


So I have started incorporating this. I’ll go into it in more detail. Also, last year when I was expressing similar depressive thoughts around hanging out with Gold and Stache, the guys in the chat suggested going out alone more. And really, the six girls I have slept with in the last year and a bit, five have been from me doing my own thing and one when I was out with Gold. So I have said the same thing to Enzo, I want to keep hanging but want to go solo a lot more from now on. I feel the best going solo. Of course it makes me a bit sad that I’m not at the same level because we could be having crazy double pulls etc. But I have to realize that I must compete in my own lane and stop comparing myself. And the easiest way to do this is by incorporating the lessons from Enzo and Gold while taking much more solo action (while also hanging out with them still, just less frequently)


Next post will be on the program but also lifestyle changes I have incorporated to try to improve my self discipline.
Great stuff bro. The Enzo guy seems like a straight G. Btw I just watched a brief interview like shirt of a 5'6 Asian guy with tattoos and muscle saying he fucks NBA players girls. Lol could he be the same person


Anyways, no need to feel envious of him. You being around him is very advantageous and will speed up your process rather than splitting. A time will come when you have to split and do your thing but now is the time for a process I like to call:

Imitate Then Innovate

All the great artists and naturals I know learnt this way. I started off as a natural too. Had my first bj when I was 13 and lost my virginity when I was 16. One of the things that helped me was to observe what my better natural friends were doing. Back then it came down to three things:


1) "Excuse - Based" game. I have no other word for it but basically these guys were looking for "excuses" to push the interaction forward. Like finding any reason to touch her early and get close to her. For example making her show something on her phone then using the opportunity to get close. Or touching her shoulders or hands when making a point or story

They'd also find reasons or opportunities to make things sexual verbally either from what she says, her hobbies etc. But Touch was such a huge part of it. And I observed and practiced to the point that touching is soooo natural for me. In fact I was surprised when I started learning pua stuff that people were taught how to touch

Another way they use this "excuse" style is through pop culture or movies. Finding some crazy story about a celebrity then relating it back to the girl


2) Very sexual game. One thing I also noticed is that each natural I met used a ton of sexual humour, word play or innuendo. They could say sexual things in a smooth rather than crude way. And if they were going to say something raw it would be more subtle like Enzo is doing.

I won't be surprised if Enzo uses the "have you had your ass eaten" in 90% of his interactions. I know because one thing I've found that talking about a sexual experience that's "new" to her in a confident way really drives them crazy

For example, I say the exact same thing as Enzo does. In fact I smiled when I read that "have you had your ass eaten" line cuz I use it. But I do it more for online leads. Surprisingly, many girls have never experienced it and it fascinates them. I doubt talking about doggy or missionary would have the same effect.

Another thing I've done is telling girls is you could have my baby. I learnt it from a friend who used it on a very hot business woman. It's like saying you'd like to fuck her without saying it lol

3) Very good at screening game. As a natural most of them have a subconscious process to screen more sexually open or receptive girls

And Enzo's idea to go to where there are many hot girls increases your chances of finding more sexually receptive girls


Anyways, I feel you can observe his interactions more. Paying attention to his

-Vibe

-How he flirts

- what juicy topics he uses and how he flows from one to another

- How he introduces sexual frames

- How he qualifies, builds social frame, comfort & trust

- How he frames, number closing etc

- his texting style (You can ask to read it if he agrees)

- how he structures his date

- How he closes the deal (arousal/seduction)



The thing with naturals is that they do the exact same thing puas do. But in a more carefree, natural way. They all have their favorite lines or stories for particular situations. Their tech is very similar to puas so there's little to no difference

The beauty of you being familiar with pua stuff is that you can analyze his interactions to see what he's doing (something many naturals can't do very well)

Also, remember to ask questions on the above too for the ones you may not be able to experience live. the quality of your questions to him will determine the quality of your answers. You have to be deep, specific etc especially with naturals

Then you can take his entire process tweak it a bit to your personality and do it on the hot girls so you can achieve similar results. Once you get results you're cool with, you can now start testing new stuff.

So it's basically Imitate Then Innovate
 

Beam

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Bro that's awesome! What brought you here to the community as a natural?

Great stuff bro. The Enzo guy seems like a straight G. Btw I just watched a brief interview like shirt of a 5'6 Asian guy with tattoos and muscle saying he fucks NBA players girls. Lol could he be the same person

Haha I'm sure if we lived in the US he'd be going after them

Anyways, no need to feel envious of him. You being around him is very advantageous and will speed up your process rather than splitting. A time will come when you have to split and do your thing but now is the time for a process I like to call:

Imitate Then Innovate

All the great artists and naturals I know learnt this way. I started off as a natural too. Had my first bj when I was 13 and lost my virginity when I was 16. One of the things that helped me was to observe what my better natural friends were doing. Back then it came down to three things:


1) "Excuse - Based" game. I have no other word for it but basically these guys were looking for "excuses" to push the interaction forward. Like finding any reason to touch her early and get close to her. For example making her show something on her phone then using the opportunity to get close. Or touching her shoulders or hands when making a point or story

They'd also find reasons or opportunities to make things sexual verbally either from what she says, her hobbies etc. But Touch was such a huge part of it. And I observed and practiced to the point that touching is soooo natural for me. In fact I was surprised when I started learning pua stuff that people were taught how to touch

Another way they use this "excuse" style is through pop culture or movies. Finding some crazy story about a celebrity then relating it back to the girl

I wouldn't be going full solo, we would still be hanging out multiple times per week and talking everyday. We were hanging out every day which was a bit much. But I agree, definitely good to be around and observe. The feeling of envy is an uncomfortable feeling and so part of me is trying to avoid that discomfort. But really the discomfort is good and I should embrace it as a challenge to step up my game and get excited again.

Agreed, I use a lot of excuse based game on dates to touch her but rarely when I've just met the chick,. Definitely something I need to become more comfortable doing because right now I have a stiff vibe that prevents me from doing it naturally.

2) Very sexual game. One thing I also noticed is that each natural I met used a ton of sexual humour, word play or innuendo. They could say sexual things in a smooth rather than crude way. And if they were going to say something raw it would be more subtle like Enzo is doing.

I won't be surprised if Enzo uses the "have you had your ass eaten" in 90% of his interactions. I know because one thing I've found that talking about a sexual experience that's "new" to her in a confident way really drives them crazy

For example, I say the exact same thing as Enzo does. In fact I smiled when I read that "have you had your ass eaten" line cuz I use it. But I do it more for online leads. Surprisingly, many girls have never experienced it and it fascinates them. I doubt talking about doggy or missionary would have the same effect.

Another thing I've done is telling girls is you could have my baby. I learnt it from a friend who used it on a very hot business woman. It's like saying you'd like to fuck her without saying it lol
Hahaha funny that you've used that exact line. I mean it is sexual prizing hey. The girls get curious and need to experience it. I've actually never eaten a girls ass before (it gives me the ick). But I'm open to trying it now for sure if the chick has washed up properly. Enzo on the other hand. In loves it. One thing I noticed is he gets really horny just looking at the chicks and so when he says this stuff it's fully congruent. Me, I don't really get horny just by looking at chicks, only when there's physical contact generally. So having it come out of my mouth doesn't feel congruent.

You are spot on about how naturals have a way of saying things that are blatantly sexual without being crude. Classic example - the strip club. He was talking to the strippers about eating their asses and they were laughing they're asses off. Me clumsily attempting to do the same thing missed the mark completely and instead of coming across playful just came across crude and made the strippers walk away immediately. They could sense the incongruence and got the feeling I wasn't just relaxed and having fun.


3) Very good at screening game. As a natural most of them have a subconscious process to screen more sexually open or receptive girls

And Enzo's idea to go to where there are many hot girls increases your chances of finding more sexually receptive girls

Absolutely. He doesn't actually approach much but when he does it usually goes well.

Anyways, I feel you can observe his interactions more. Paying attention to his

-Vibe

-How he flirts

- what juicy topics he uses and how he flows from one to another

- How he introduces sexual frames

- How he qualifies, builds social frame, comfort & trust

- How he frames, number closing etc

- his texting style (You can ask to read it if he agrees)

- how he structures his date

- How he closes the deal (arousal/seduction)



The thing with naturals is that they do the exact same thing puas do. But in a more carefree, natural way. They all have their favorite lines or stories for particular situations. Their tech is very similar to puas so there's little to no difference

The beauty of you being familiar with pua stuff is that you can analyze his interactions to see what he's doing (something many naturals can't do very well)

Spot on. He tells me what he does and I've listened and taken notes. It's another thing entirely to implement yourself congruently though. But I'll continue to observe.

Also, remember to ask questions on the above too for the ones you may not be able to experience live. the quality of your questions to him will determine the quality of your answers. You have to be deep, specific etc especially with naturals

Good point, I find it hard to get information out of him sometimes and get wildly different answers to the same questions sometimes from him. But that's because most of the time my questions are off the cuff from our hangouts rather than deep deliberate questions that I have thought about beforehand. That's probably been one reason why despite hanging out with him for a while and have been asking questions I'm still quite clueless. I might compile a list of deep specific questions for him based on what you've written here.

Then you can take his entire process tweak it a bit to your personality and do it on the hot girls so you can achieve similar results. Once you get results you're cool with, you can now start testing new stuff.

So it's basically Imitate Then Innovate

I appreciate the response man, lots of food for thought
 

Beam

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Lifestyle Changes and 2024 Goals

I've been saying this for a while but one of the biggest things holding me back is the amount of procrastination I do. I've tried and failed make more effective use of time but usually slip back into old habits. But I can't afford to keep doing this since I'm not getting any younger.

I'm cautiously optimistic this year as I think I've found a method of getting things done that actually works for me. I'd actually used this years ago - the "Don't Break the Chain" method. Basically, you put up a calendar with all 365 days of the year, and then you make a pledge that every day you are going to do X task, and once it's done, you pull out a permanent market and mark a fat red X on that day. After a while, you start to get addicted to seeing the streak of red Xs that you don't want to miss a day.

I trialled this in December last year with two habits I'd struggled to stick with - Meditation/Visualisation and Stretching/Flexibility/Mobility work. And actually managed to stick to them for the entire month (and so far this year as well) with only two missed days for the exercise work. Which is huge considering I had barely been able to stick to them more than a week before.

The key this time seems to be placement. I live on my own now, so I've put the calendars up on my wall right next to my TV. Which means that any time I have guests over, they see it and enquire about it. It's not hidden away. So when they ask what the calendars are (which they will) and I explain - if they then see a bunch of missing Xs it looks lame, like I don't have my shit together. And the embarrassment of having that clear for all to see has kept me accountable. It's the perfect mix of self accountability, accountability to others, and the addictive nature of gamifying the process.

Because it was so successful I decided to branch it out and added another daily habit - applying sunscreen and moisturising every day. I also created my own weekly version with 52 blocks and added a whole bunch of tasks that I want to complete every week. I only add tasks that I have traditionally struggled with. A lot of habits I do automatically and so don't need to have them up on the board.

These include - HIIT twice per week, Songwriting/Comedy writing for at least 2 hours per week (I have a lot of ideas and potential that I have not done anything with), Journaling, Creating a video of myself and talking to the camera about any topic (to close the gap between what I think I'm projecting to the world and what I am actually projecting), limiting jerking off to max once per week, and also core specific strenghening 3 x per week to fix my longstanding anterior pelvic tilt.

Besides jerking off there's nothing there about women (say, approaching 20 per week) - that one might be difficult to explain to random guests (especially girls) who come over so I still need to work out how to do it.

What I've realised though two weeks in already on the weekly goal is that my mind still keeps finding ways to do the least amount. For instance, I will technically hit my goal of Songwriting, but when I look at the amount of words actually written down, it could be so much better. The same really goes for anything (including going out and only talking to 5 women in a 2 hour outing for instance). And I still fill a lot of the remaining time with bs time wasting (doomscrolling etc)

Since time management is a skill I've now been looking at ways to minimize the time wasting even further within the framework (getting distraction free versions of common apps like Instagram and Youtube, installing time limiters etc). But I can go further, setting myself timers throughout the day to get things down to add a bit of time pressure.

Work in progress.
 

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General Thoughts

Hanging around with Enzo has really showed me how sheltered I've actually been in my life. Hanging out with him has really been an eye opening insight into the mind of a man who is lusted after by some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen, more consistently than anyone I have ever seen.

Not only that, but he has introduced me to similar high achievers. There's this one guy I met through Enzo who was there at the beach with a couple of his buddies, similar high achievers who if you live in Australia you might have heard of some years back. One of them even dated an incredibly famous international pop star who you've definitely heard of for a few years. And I was right there with them and spoke with the dude. These are guys you'd see on Instagram with hundreds of thousands to millions of followers. They're all incredibly hard working, incredibly efficient with their time. Everyone is jacked. And yet they were just normal people.

We live by the beach now and I definitely feel like a a small fish in a big pond. Admittedly I've drifted a bit more blackpill lately. Looksmaxxing has been more of a priority for me the last couple months since all the girls and guys here are so damn incredibly good looking and it's been difficult getting any lasting attention. Shout out to you @Alpha13SC, I've been slowly implementing the tips you gave me (growing out my hair, hitting gym even harder, whitening my teeth) and cultivating a bigger sense of entitlement with these chicks (something Enzo has been trying to get me to do too, it's difficult though and has been exhausting. I resisted it for a long time but am finally (took too long) ditching the skinny jeans and chelseas.

Should note Enzo still wears skinny jeans, boots and still wears the classic fade. And is very stubborn to change ("I'm 39, I'm not wearing that baggy bs. What's the point of working out if you can't even show it?") It's working for him, though I have noticed recently that girls who were previously just glued to him have started looking my way a lot more. I have blatantly been getting more attention that him in some cases, though his vastly superior game quickly snaps them back.

I still just don't have that killer instinct he does and which is required to get consistent results. I still am not persistent enough, I still would rather go home and sleep than stick it out to the very end which is what is requried to get good. Which makes me wonder if I'll ever get the results I want with the girls I want and if I'm just wasting my time, money and health (especially with nightgame, which I've been at for a while now with barely anything to show for it)

I feel a bit lost and confused but despite this I know there's no other option. The only other option is dying alone. So I'll continue to work and shore up my weaknesses, keep my nose to the grindstone, be more disciplined than I have ever been before and hopefully it'll start to click.
 

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21/1/24

Daygame:

Mall (I was out with a mate):

1.
Girl heading out - I open, try to keep her there for two more minutes. Sense a complete lack of interest and she excuses herself to go.

2. Girl getting boost juice. I boldly go up to her and complement her on her fashion sense and tell her I had to come over and say hi. She thanks me but says she has a boyfriend. I ask how long they've been together - 4 years. I'm waiting for my drink anyway so I just stay in there chatting - she opens up to me revealing that she is a teacher, but wants to become a swim instructor and eventually go into pediatrics since she loves children. I talk about how my ex was also a teacher and swim instructor (if she didn't have a bf my intent for this was to show I dated girls like her). I didn't really get deeper into her motivations though. My drink came and I left - my friend who was watching told me that I was two far away from her and crossing my arms. It's amazing how often you forget the basics despite doing this hundreds of times - close proximity, no arms crossed yada yada.

3. Girl sitting down outside a store. I opened her saying that I had a feeling she was waiting for her partner. She laughed and said yes, he's inside. I said that's a shame, because I was totally coming up to hit on you. She laughed. I then said "I'll go now before he comes. Actually, if he does come now I'll just tell him "bro I was hitting on your girl, you have good taste". She continued to laugh as I walked away.

Night Market

1.
With the same mate from previously. See a two set sitting down. One is gorgeous. I almost pussy out (seated sets are tough) but mate pushes me to do it. I go up, interrupt their conversation and stick in there. I don't remember details but my mate comes by to help with the other one (she's not as cute, kinda fat). They're both Israeli. We acknowledge the situation obviously but try to steer away from it quickly after this. We find out they are here for a few more months. Mate is doing well holding his attention, but mine keeps going back to her phone (she was texting when I approached her). My mate calls her out on it. This is something I should have done. When you're talking to someone and they go on their phone it's rude. And I should make it clear that's not cool.

She looks up and smiles again. We chat some more, my mate tells his that he's going to take her out. I can sense this is coming to a close and the girls are not hooking hard. Also we were standing while they were sitting locked in. There were no good spots for us to lock in which made it difficult. I end up taking her instagram as she didn't have a phone number here yet. And make the same damn mistake of me adding her instead of the other way around. All I need to say is "I'm logged out, give me your phone and I'll add myself then follow you back". I tell her there are lots of cool places around and I'll show here a couple. She smiles. But she never followed me back and so I left it.

2. Again, the same mate is with me when I spot this gorgeous short brunette with a friend. I go up close and complement her. She immediately hooks, legs crossed, smiling, staring right at me and asking questions. Turns out she is from Germany. Meanwhile my friend has gone to occupy hers. I talk about my recent travels and asked if she had gone to a famous sex club (that I'd gone to). She agreed. I find out she's only in my city for a few more days.

"This is going to be a really short romance then". She laughed.

Keep chatting, we're talking for 10 minutes or so. The subcomms between us were good but there was not much verbal flirtation. I ask her what she is doing for the rest of the time here - she tells me she is going to a certain district tomorrow to check out some places. I know that area well and so tell her that, and tell her that I'll show her around. She gives a little giggle but doesn't verbally agree to anything. Again, I take her insta (didn't even try for the number. I think part of it is I have a pretty decent insta now so part of me wants these girls to know that I'm not some weirdo. It does take away some mystery though. Anyway, this time I learnt my lesson and she followed me. I then told her I was going back to my friends. It was almost 10:00pm at this point on Wednesday - really I could have just pushed and said "lets go check out a bar" that night, but I thought the interest was enough for at least a day 2.

But no. I requested to follow her but she never accepted it. So I wasn't able to message her to organize anything.

There were more but I don't remember.

General Thoughts on DG

I thought living by the beach would be awesome for DG. And it is if your fundamentals are on point. But mine are not quite there and so I'm not taking advantage of all these hottie backpackers walking around. They are quite hard though since they stick to groups and it's quite cliquey. Haven't met as many solo travellers but they're out there. Admittedly I could be putting in way more numbers but I'm scared of getting recognised and building a reputation here since it isn't the biggest suburb and they all probably talk amongst themselves. That's probably an excuse though to protect me from rejection.
 

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21/1/24

Nightgame


Where to begin. So basically, last week I had a couple of heavy drinking nights.Thursday and Saturday with Enzo. We hadn't planned on drinking much, they sort of spiralled out of control as we kept running into people we knew and so drinks started flowing. Enzo was batting off chicks, I was getting no play. Not much to report on the girl front. Basically, I had a shitton of alcohol. But I wasn't even that drunk, I still felt in control.

Anyway, I wake up Sunday morning in pain. Kidneys hurt like crazy. The whole day is like this. I just start drinking water like crazy. But then towards nighttime it got worse. I started getting the shits and vomiting. Only vomited once, but had the shits for like 2 days straight. And kidneys still hurt. It was by far the worst hangover I've ever had. I ended up losing like 3 kg over those two days and a bunch of gym gains.

I finally got better and told myself, this shit isn't worth it.

I've decided to cut down drinking to almost nil. The thought of drinking it actually makes me feel ill and I feel a phantom pain in my kidneys when I do.

These last three nights I went out completely sober. I actually felt much more level headed and chill. I wasn't putting on this fake circus act. I felt grounded. I wasn't smiling unnecessarily. I still went to the bar and ordered pineapple juice (Enzos favourite) or soda water to look normal.

I noticed an upkick in looks too, even noticed friends girlfriends just staring (I had a birthday on Friday) and making more of a noticeable effort to talk to me and get my attention.

That being said, being sober was not without it's disadvantages. I didn't have the liquid courage to help me approach and so as a result I skipped out on talking to tons of girls who I really should have, making excuses (oh she's too young yada yada). Stuff that my drunk mind would not comprehend. The number of approaches was too low to get anywhere. I didn't note them down as I went so I'm actually struggling to remember them. But here's one notable one:

1. Last night had these two girls approach me while I was sitting down with a mate. One in red was a hot brunette, she ended up sitting next to me and leaning against me away from the fire. I fumbled it though. I did ok at the start - she said it was her birthday next week and I teased her about getting a birthday present. When she asked when she was getting it I told her "depend how tonight goes'. They both loved that one. We chatted more when they said they had to go to the bathroom. Red said "I'll be back!". Apparently from what another girl told me the line in the girls bathroom was massive. They were in there for 20 minutes and when they came out, someone else was sitting next to me. They glanced over and then went downstairs. I wanted to find red again so we went downstairs.

After like 15 minutes they started walking past us, I grabbed her my the shoulder and said "Hey it's you!". Start asking if they were leaving - they weren't. Her friend dips and starts dancing, so we're isolated. Mine starts talking about how she doesn't like this place and that it's too loud and if there were other places around. I suggest some but then say it's probably too late to go to any others now.

I fucked up here. This convo was platonic. I was right in her space, talking close to her and touching, but I was just talking about bulshit bars. I didn't verbally escalate. I also sort of had her trapped against the bar which wasn't good. Trying to think what I should have done here. I should have made a callback to the birthday present and maybe said something like "Damn, you're actually really sexy. I might have to give you your birthday present early". This might be a terrible line but the point is, I should have sexualised.

Anyway, 1 minute into this bullshit platonic bar talk she quickly dips out and starts dancing with her friend. Over.
 

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I still just don't have that killer instinct he does and which is required to get consistent results. I still am not persistent enough, I still would rather go home and sleep than stick it out to the very end which is what is requried to get good. Which makes me wonder if I'll ever get the results I want with the girls I want and if I'm just wasting my time, money and health (especially with nightgame, which I've been at for a while now with barely anything to show for it)

I feel a bit lost and confused but despite this I know there's no other option. The only other option is dying alone. So I'll continue to work and shore up my weaknesses, keep my nose to the grindstone, be more disciplined than I have ever been before and hopefully it'll start to click.

I've only read a few posts of your journal, but did you try to apply the X-factor game of Karea?
Charisma and game work to build attraction (or compliance... a semantic issue we have to sort out some day), not just looks. But it takes about 25 minutes to really hook a girl in where she's genuinely interested and it can take a few hours until she's really into the guy. So we need to find situations where we have time with a girl. Street stop very hit and miss. Loud clubs very hard. But girls do get very into it with time.

This is from the top level evolutionary psychologist Geoffrey Miller, one of my favorite quotes about game:
What women are looking for, in short term mating, is not just bad boys. they're looking also for guys who are really witty and intellectually exciting, or musically or artistically talented, or who really excel at lots of mental displays, even that might be completely useless and irrelevant in an LTR but that are still really impressive
That's average-looking-guy game. It's way different than for good looking guys who girls respond to with interest in the first 1-2 minutes... downhill battle obviously. Just escalate. She will even compensate for the guy's mistakes and even drive the ball forward when he doesn't. I experienced some of that in Asia where I was considered a hot guy I guess.

Max your looks regardless. When I was at 9% bodyfat, my face did look better... more cut and masculine. Fashion helps too. But our best tools are social proof and vibe to compensate for looks. The X-Factor improved it for me a lot, which is why I consider it my biggest breakthrough in game (in my signature).

When I had X-Factor going, I even flipped red-light girls. I would approach, they would give massively negative body language and a few minutes later I had them interested and then got the lay. When you can flip red lights, then yellow light girls are doable quite consistently. Ideally come in with an indirect approach and don't trigger a decision on her part early on and then ratchet it up on a gradient.

To actually cultivate the X-factor, Karea recommends Theron Q. Dumont's work on "personal magnetism":
Not sure if you read my X-Factor articles in my signature but I basically discovered a long time ago that my consistency in game was down to how I came across that day. One day I was out with mASF elder chur and was in such a good mood chatting all day that I approached 7 girls and laid 3 of them. My best day ever. I went out one day a month later and I think I approached 10 girls and got zip. Nothing.

Went home defeated and was like WTF? I feel like such a loser. But when I wrote the third lay report in a single week, I felt like I was untouchable. What's going on? Same guy! Dressed the same. Doing the same things even, because I do use gameplans. Answer is in how I came across one day vs. the other day. And how you come across is down to how you FEEL. Women pick up on that.

Dumont:
Moreover, it is possible for any person possessing sufficient will, perseverance and determination to develop from a puny state of magnetism into a condition of giant magnetic powers. But this latter requires determination, constant practice until a certain stage is reached, and an indomitable will. While any one may easily increase his or her degree of power of personal magnetism, and still more easily change the character of one’s personal atmosphere, the higher prizes are reserved for those who will persevere to the end, and continue faithful in the exercises

Karea also recommends Maxwell Maltz' Psycho-Cybernetics which has a similar approach to developing one's vibe. One guy actually wrote a book called "The Cure: Secrets everyone should know to become immediately successful with women", which is about applying Maxwell Maltz' Psycho Cybernetics to dating.
I started visualizing for a half hour a day, and it as really tough at the beginning. Your brain just doesn't let you have it that easy. But day after day, I could visualize sharper, "feel" it more, and eventually I could see it in my mind. They talk about "mental movies", this was it. I would imagine me being good with girls, acting cool, talking to them, being in control, having fun, that irresistible smirk, slight cockiness.
I was noticing dramatic improvements in my results and within about 60 days, I would go out, and women would stare at me . Women would literally get nervous just taking to me. They just loved my new attitude. This was not normal for me. When I talked to women, they would give me signals to take them home almost without me doing anything. Girls were calling me several times a day
At first, these ideas will seem like a fantasy, but as you play with them they’ll soon turn into theory, and as you go over them some more, they’ll literally turn into fact.
 

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I've only read a few posts of your journal, but did you try to apply the X-factor game of Karea?


To actually cultivate the X-factor, Karea recommends Theron Q. Dumont's work on "personal magnetism":


Dumont:


Karea also recommends Maxwell Maltz' Psycho-Cybernetics which has a similar approach to developing one's vibe. One guy actually wrote a book called "The Cure: Secrets everyone should know to become immediately successful with women", which is about applying Maxwell Maltz' Psycho Cybernetics to dat

Kareas articles are what inspired the title of my journal. Hate to say it but I started this journal years ago and while I've had success since starting it I've lost sight of the original goal that I'd specified in the first post. My passion has gone down somewhat, it comes in fits and starts but nowhere near the consistency it was before, which is concerning. Working on building it back up but it's a grind.
 

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LR- 26/1/24


What a crazy fucking night. So, my mate came back from travelling South America for 11 months. I show him my new place and then we grabbed some dinner. Because it was a special occasion I decided to have a few drinks for the first time in weeks. After a few hours head to a BBQ that Stache and some of the other boys were at. When we got there they had already gone back to the apartment. We started playing drinking games which got me a little fucked up, then headed to a club.

Not much happened over there. I winged Stache for a few sets that I wasn't really into. He also started putting some MD in my drink (with my permission of course) as a thanks for giving him stuff last year for his bday. After a couple hours dancing at around 1am, my mate said he had to head off since he had to get up early for a brunch the next day. I tell him I'm going to come with and step outside, where he gets his Uber.

I ended up having a change of heart "Nah, it's too early to head home". And the stuff had starting kicking in. So, I went back inside to the boys. I'm there for like 20 minutes then tell Stache I feel like heading home. He goes "it's my bday, you have to stay out". So I'm like, ok. I will.

At this point there are five of us left - me, Stache and two other dudes, who I'll call Bi and Ht. Bi loves to get on it and suggests going to get some more stuff and trying another place. So we leave the club and head to pick up more stuff, before heading to the next club which is one of my regular spots and literally 5 minutes away from my house. It's 2am at this point and the place closes at 3am. We originally don't get in but I eventually convince the bouncers.

Approach 1

As soon as I enter this cute brunette chick at the bar smiles at me and opens me. "Hey, are you a copywriter?"
"What do you mean. Is that your pick up line?" I tease.
"No. I have to get something done by tomorrow morning but I'm here now" (she waves her wine at me) "So I need a copywriter to make sure I get it done"

We start talking - I'm teasing her about this and there's tons of touch, we're holding hands at some point. I see Stache walking past motioning to the dance floor but I stay in set. Eventually we separate and I head to the D-floor to find Stache but I can't find him.

The brunette from before ends up walking past me and I tell her "hey have you found a copywriter yet?". She says "No!". I start pointing out randoms saying 'he's definitely not one. I've never seen a copywriter with a mullet and stache. That dude might be one" It was funnier in person.

Anyway, she starts complimenting me. "Wow, I can actually have a conversation with you. This never happens when I'm out"

I tease again. "Let me guess, every other dude that comes up to you just goes "hurr durr wanna fuck?"

She laughs. "Pretty much! Hey, I think we should try to find a copywriter together. Come with me"

Now at this point my stupid idiot brain doesn't realise that it's 2:45am and the place is about to close. My idiot brain doesn't think "Hey, this girl seems into you, you should stick with her". Instead it went "Nah I'm not following her like a puppy I'm going to stay here". Moron. I stay there, this chick leaves expecting me to follow, looks back and smiles, but then disappears. Keep in mind I was fucking high at this point too.

Fail.

Next venue

The place closes and I've realised my mistake - I have a quick look for the brunette but no luck. I meet Stache and the other boys outside the venue. We're all high at this point except for Ht who was driving. And we all want to kick on. So Ht drives us 15 minutes to the city, we try one venue, can't get in. We then go for another one nearby and they let us in no issue.

Approach 2

We get in, start dancing. There's this sexy chick with black hair, black dress and glasses dancing enthusiastically. I open her complimenting her on her energy. She thanks me. There's touch right from the start, and this chick immediately is asking me my name. Good sign. We're dancing, we spin each other. I spin her and then spin her back with her back against my chest. But then, I spin her back out and we're facing each other. We're holding hands and doing a bit of back and forth when suddenly she goes.

"I'm sorry. You're a really shit dancer. I'm going back to my friends".

And she leaves. Ouch.

That actually hurt like a bitch. I was high af at the time but still. This chick was sexy, into it at the start and immediately flipped. I gotta brush up on my dance moves. I'm thinking about starting some hip hop classes just get get a bit more of that swagger.

Approach 3

This wasn't really mine but Stache is sitting at a table and says "Hey I was talking to those two chicks, lets bring them over". He motions over to two chicks and tries to get their attention but they don't come. He then says "Can you get em?". So I go over to these two chicks. Both brown. One is a hottie and the other one is a fattie. I tell them that my friend wanted them to come over when fattie goes "I think he meant those two chicks" pointing at these two others - both South American looking. Lol. Anyway, I head back to Stache and he goes "I meant those ones!" about the South Americans.

Now my memory is hazy at this point and I actually don't remember what happened next. The next thing I remember is the place closing and the five of us walking out with the two South American chicks. Stache is engaging one and he wants me to engage the other one. She has a beautiful face but is a bit on the thicker side. I still would.

Pull

Stache is getting along really well with his chick and she wont' go anywhere without her friend. So he convinces everyone to come to his for the afterparty. We get in Hts car. Bi and Ht are at the front, and Stache and I are in the back with our chicks on our lap. At some point in the ride I throw out a statement of intent at mine, commenting on how she is sexy.

We get to Staches. He lives in a one bedroom apartment, but there’s a sofa-bed in the living room which he pulls out. He’s sitting on the chair with his chick on his lap, and I’m standing up leaning against a table. Ht is to my right sitting on the floor and Bi and my chick are lying down on the bed. Bi is high as fuck, having done much more than any of us. He does it a lot and I try to minimize time hanging out with him because of it. It’s easy to get swept up in it if you’re not careful.

Anway, at some point I realise Stache and his girl are getting impatient. I know they want privacy. So I go and lie down on the bed next to my chick between Bi and her. Bi was trying to flirt with her terribly before which Stache was not happy about. I put an end to it by putting myself between them and initiating some physical contact. My chick starts putting on some music but then we reach a stalemate.

I’m looking at Stache and his girl, they’re looking at me with that impatient look of “do something!” but I don’t know wtf to do. I can’t tell Bi and Ht to just leave. And my chick is not warmed up to the point I can start escalating on her more. So we’re just praying that Bi and Ht will leave.

After an eternity (it must have been like 30 minutes) Bi is crashing and gets the hint that it’s time to go. So Ht and Bi end up leaving together. Finally.

My chick was standing up now as she had moved to let Bi off the bed, so I got up right in front of her, gave her intense eye contact and proximity and started just talking to her. Now that we were in our own bubble finally and the others were gone, Stache and his girl went to Staches room.

At some point in the convo, my chick tells me “I will kiss you, but we are not having sex”.

“Fine by me” I say, knowing full well that’s bs.

We start making out, she’s telling me to slow down, that there’s no pressure. Eventually I throw her down onto the bed and we start making out. We turn the lights off. I start fingering her and she’s very wet and saying how lucky she is. Around 5 minutes in she asks me if I have a condom. I say yes and check my wallet, which ALWAYS has a fucking condom in it but for some reason IT WASN’T THERE. I was freaking a bit but then she told me she had some.

I finger her some more, she unbuttons my belt and starts giving me a handy, then goes down and starts blowing me.

After a bit of this I’m not fully hard but she climbs on top and we’re making out some more when SUDDENLY.

The door opens. Staches chick comes out. I don’t know what she’s saying but she sees us. I cover up, my chick jumps up. And starts putting her clothes back on. Stache comes out, sees the whole situation, and after a few minutes manages to get his chick back inside the room. I later found out that his chick was giving him resistance to sex. They were doing everything but she wouldn’t let him put it in and that’s why she had left the room. He later told me that after seeing my chick on top of me with my pants off, she thought her friend was getting laid and so when Stache got her back in the room, there was no resistance anymore.

I wasn’t so lucky. My chick kept her clothes on and said she couldn’t do it since she didn’t want to be interrupted again. We’re making out some more, I’m escalating by kissing her neck but no dice. I suggested going to my place but she said she had work at 10am in the morning and had to get home (it was 7:30 in the morning at this point). After 10 minutes the sounds of Stache and her friend having sex die down and she bursts into their room saying “You interrupted me so I’m going to interrupt you!”

WTF! Crazy bitch. I go to the room and pull her back, Stache is at the door pissed and manages to close it. I calm her down, pick her up and throw her on the bed where we start making out again. 10 minutes later the door opens and Stache and his chick come out. They end up leaving, Stache tells me the full story of what happened with his and we go over the whole night. I was sober by this point and start recalling the night. I had forgotten large chunks of it because of how high I was – I’d even forgotten that we went to the city but it started coming back. Then we chatted about how annoying it was that Bi and Ht didn’t get the hint sooner.

At 8am I called an uber, went home and slept like a baby until 3pm.

Fin
 

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Kareas articles are what inspired the title of my journal. Hate to say it but I started this journal years ago and while I've had success since starting it I've lost sight of the original goal that I'd specified in the first post. My passion has gone down somewhat, it comes in fits and starts but nowhere near the consistency it was before, which is concerning. Working on building it back up but it's a grind.
In 2020 you wrote this:

This article is my starting point. Keeping things simple so I don't get overwhelmed.

It defines the three pillars of dating success as follows:

1. Your looks
2. The "X-Factor"
3. Your "Game" - Body language, verbal skills, etc)

Contrary to the title, my immediate focus is on number 1 and number 3 as they are things I can immediately work on.
His X-factor article series was good but the actual method of developing one's X-factor wasn't really presented in the series for some reason. Instead, it was presented in his article on California Pimp. Well, to be fair, he did actually write some specifics in the X-factor article series as well:

Just like I asked you – could you decide to feel confident now? – you could also decide to feel motivated now. Create the motivation first… then let all other state changes flow from there.

Motivation:
originally taught by Tony Robbins – he calls it a “quality quantifier.
...
Practice this exercise and use it to enhance any other emotional state you would like to create… toy with the thoughts in your mind, play around with your focus, until the emotions you’re summoning grow stronger and stronger.

Taking on useful characteristics:
Pick an actor you like, one that is known for his appeal to women, or maybe even a character that this actor portrays.

Then ask yourself:

  • If you were this character, how would you look at people? How would you look at girls?
  • How would you breathe?
  • How would you gesture, move and carry yourself? How would you walk, what would your posture be like?
  • What would your eyes project – what kind of depth, clarity, focus, lucidity and determination?
  • What kind of vocal projection would you have – how powerful, masculine, deep and resonant would your voice be?
  • How slow would you move and speak?
If you just imitate all of these physiological channels the way you envision your role model would, you will start noticing how your emotional state follows into that reality.
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What makes a good actor is that he actually BECOMES his character.

And in article 5, he gives examples of useful states to practice in this, way: Calm and serene, conviction and certainty, masculine and powerful, socially confident, etc. If you're not satisfied with your current results, and your motivation therefore have dropped a bit (which is natural, as per Chase's writings on the winner effect) - why not give course-correcting a shot, and actually try to cultivate the X-Factor directly? I'm willing to bet on your results increasing as much as it skyrocketed Karea's game back in 2010.
 
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