Gymmaxxing vs Fashionmaxxing

[Narrator]

I am currently gymmaxxing. But I want to ask which gives better results in cold approach? Gymmaxxing or fashionmaxxing? Don't say both because my gymmaxxing still going on. Fashionmaxxing will only take a day or two.

 

[Atlas IV]

God this "maxxing" stuff is cringe. Can we just call it "staying in shape and being fashionable"?

Yes they're both important. But far more important is that you are going out there and making approaches, getting in the reps. If that's not your main focus, then this stuff is just procrastination.

 

[TomInHo]

I am currently gymmaxxing. But I want to ask which gives better results in cold approach? Gymmaxxing or fashionmaxxing? Don't say both because my gymmaxxing still going on. Fashionmaxxing will only take a day or two.

bothmaxxing

 

[ulrich]

Fashionmaxxing will only take a day or two.

You really think you can become fashionable in two days??? Oh boy.

Fashion is not super deep but you’re seriously underestimating it.

 

[Spike]

You really think you can become fashionable in two days??? Oh boy.

Fashion is not super deep but you’re seriously underestimating it.

Yeah. It took me probably 2 years to get to where I’m at right now. There will be lots of experimenting and failures along the way

 

[TomInHo]

You really think you can become fashionable in two days??? Oh boy.

Fashion is not super deep but you’re seriously underestimating it.

Tbf you can hire someone to improve your fashion in a weekend

Can't do the same with your body. Real change there will always take longer

 

[ulrich]

Yes they're both important. But far more important is that you are going out there and making approaches, getting in the reps. If that's not your main focus, then this stuff is just procrastination.

This ^^
Whatever you are maxxing, don’t wait until you’re there to prioritize approaching.
Approaching is more important.

 

[TomInHo]

Guys tbh... I do think we need to have a more open mind when it comes to the looksmaxxing stuff

OP is already approaching

He even has a journal and has posted field reports. So it's not like he isn't talking to girls already

Not everyone that asks questions about looks is "procrastinating". Sometimes putting energy there can make things a lot easier for the seducer

Not sure why people here have been so anti-looks lately

 

[Bill]

I think fashion is more important.

 

[Skills]

@Atlas IV i brought here the macing stuff from the incel community as troll job for humor, i thought it was obvious...
Baggy maxing
Mustache maxing
Keychain maxing

Is trolling

 

[Atlas IV]

Not everyone that asks questions about looks is "procrastinating". Sometimes putting energy there can make things a lot easier for the seducer
Not sure why people here have been so anti-looks lately

Not anti-looks (I literally just wrote a rant about how Spike was right about this stuff in my LR yesterday). But the way he framed the question was dumb.

Asking "what are some things I can do to improve my appearance" or something more specific would be productive, and would have gotten some good practical answers.

Asking whether gym or fashion is more important is the sort of thing someone asks when they're procrastinating on both fronts.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Not anti-looks (I literally just wrote a rant about how Spike was right about this stuff in my LR yesterday). But the way he framed the question was dumb.

Asking "what are some things I can do to improve my appearance" or something more specific would be productive, and would have gotten some good practical answers.

Asking whether gym or fashion is more important is the sort of thing someone asks when they're procrastinating on both fronts.

The OP question is valid. Guys, we have to remember that we are a VERY tiny majority of men out there. Guys on SS are starting to suffer from the curse of knowledge: we know a lot so we think most guys should just get it

You have to remember what is out there. What the algorithm pushes. Because this shapes what people see. Looksmaxxing & fashionmaxxing is everywhere... and young guy tapped into red pill or getting girls has heard it. For most guys red pill stuff and the likes is their first entry point. And to them, words like looksmaxxxing & fashionmaxxing is normal. No matter how cringe it sounds to us, it's totally normal to them.


At the end of the day... we should give benefit of the doubt at first rather than unnecessary hostility

Lastly, contrary to what you wrote... people who ask these questions are not procrastinators.

From what I've seen, most have hit the gym but have soon realized ... working out your body takes time & discipline... To them, does that mean they'll have to wait that long before experiencing the benefits of looks...

So they want to try out fashion... you can improve that In a weekend or week with the right hire or guidance (which involves spending money)

Which brings up the question: do both forms of maxxing give similar results? If yes, then they can just spend that money and get the benefits, get laid while still hitting the gym (maybe they won't bother with gym again lol)


In summary, it is more of a laziness to hit the gym consistently than a procrastination to seduce (most of the time they are actually infield)

 

[bkw]

Do both. I know that’s not the answer you want to hear, but it’s the best answer. Which is “better” depends how out of shape you are and how badly you dress. Are you extremely fat? Then getting in shape would probably be more beneficial. Do you dress like Steve Urkle but aren’t fat? Then dressing better will probably be better. Pretty straightforward solution if you ask me

 

[KJ Francis]

Not sure why people here have been so anti-looks lately

For me the anti @Spike brigade was cause his first LR was basically just a very explicit statement of intent after being approached himself. And he was a new poster saying he was the most advanced and I had no idea who Velasco was.

Until the last year or so I've mainly learned from @Chase and @Karea Ricardus D. ... And Karea wrote:

relying on approach invitations, and on girls liking you from the get go, is playing green-light girls. This isn't game in my book. It's freebies. It's like going to Asia, or gaming ugly girls, a downhill battle. There's not much skill required. Just handle logistics, be cool and gradually escalate and, done [...] yellow lights. That's where the GAME is actually played. Man if she likes you from the open, it's easy

But Chase has always written about fundamentals and it's a major focus of his book. I started with learning to walk slow before verbal game. And he's wrote many times about changing up his archetype in San Diego to get bottle blondes.

I have always considered both gym and fashion as very, very important. So personally I am not anti either of these. Of course maxx all variables and optimize to your target goal.

I still do not see the skill in playing only greens off AI's or being approached, especially if you then have zero skill to approach a shy studious girl in med school who thinks you dress like a teenager. But I've beaten that point to death in various spike threads.

Baggy maxing
Mustache maxing
Keychain maxing

Is trolling

My fav was VHS vs. Betamaxxing

Anyways, in terms of gymmaxxing vs fashionmaxxing, these don't seem like a tradeoff... It's like what's better for plants - sunlight or water?

But I think there are some nuanced aspects to the gym part. HORMONES.

It's more than the visual aspect of your build that could be captured with a photograph. It translates to presence like timid vs confident, pheromones, risk taking from testosterone which will actually influence whether you go approach a girl or not... Also impacts posture, the way you walk or sprawl out sitting... And general virility and sex drive, which will translate to your general vibe, state, reactiveness to shit tests, Karea x-factor, mirror neurons, etc...

So if you really had to rank the more influential variable, I'd say gym over fashion. Cause you can still seduce in a basic all-situation outfit even with less up front fascination. But if you are a sedentary guy even nailing an archetype... Your personality and energy is majorly affected beyond the effect of muscle mass and facial fat, etc.

But yeah, bothmaxxing...

 

[Narrator]

You really think you can become fashionable in two days??? Oh boy.

Fashion is not super deep but you’re seriously underestimating it.

It takes more time? Can you give me some guide so I can start now?

 

[Narrator]

I think fashion is more important.

One of my friends who is good with girls said the same. So this is why I wanted to ask from other experienced people here.

 

[KJ Francis]

One of my friends who is good with girls said the same. So this is why I wanted to ask from other experienced people here.

Probably depends too if you really mean "maxxing". There's diminishing returns to stuff... Personally I think good shape and incredible fashion is better than incredible shape and good fashion.

 

[Skills]

For me the anti @Spike brigade was cause his first LR was basically just a very explicit statement of intent after being approached himself. And he was a new poster saying he was the most advanced and I had no idea who Velasco was.

Until the last year or so I've mainly learned from @Chase and @Karea Ricardus D. ... And Karea wrote:



But Chase has always written about fundamentals and it's a major focus of his book. I started with learning to walk slow before verbal game. And he's wrote many times about changing up his archetype in San Diego to get bottle blondes.

I have always considered both gym and fashion as very, very important. So personally I am not anti either of these. Of course maxx all variables and optimize to your target goal.

I still do not see the skill in playing only greens off AI's or being approached, especially if you then have zero skill to approach a shy studious girl in med school who thinks you dress like a teenager. But I've beaten that point to death in various spike threads.


My fav was VHS vs. Betamaxxing

Anyways, in terms of gymmaxxing vs fashionmaxxing, these don't seem like a tradeoff... It's like what's better for plants - sunlight or water?

But I think there are some nuanced aspects to the gym part. HORMONES.

It's more than the visual aspect of your build that could be captured with a photograph. It translates to presence like timid vs confident, pheromones, risk taking from testosterone which will actually influence whether you go approach a girl or not... Also impacts posture, the way you walk or sprawl out sitting... And general virility and sex drive, which will translate to your general vibe, state, reactiveness to shit tests, Karea x-factor, mirror neurons, etc...

So if you really had to rank the more influential variable, I'd say gym over fashion. Cause you can still seduce in a basic all-situation outfit even with less up front fascination. But if you are a sedentary guy even nailing an archetype... Your personality and energy is majorly affected beyond the effect of muscle mass and facial fat, etc.

But yeah, bothmaxxing...

Wow i said in my own words exactly what karea said and my first time reading that on chase interview there goes again me thinking i was a genius ..

 

[Skills]

It takes more time? Can you give me some guide so I can start now?

Fitness kinobody look for any pdf on his program out there on the net, reason is simple and efficient and you will see results right away... fashion for gen z

Fashion - Some really on point fashion videos for the new era....

i usually ignore female advice but i really like this genz girl, cause she nitpicks and she really gets it, i think she is learned from boyfriend tbh, she is more into baggy though.... Going to add if you are interested in changing or upgrading style for the gen z girls if you are short...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[Bismarck]

The anti-Spike brigade lmao.

It is also location-dependent, i.e., if you live near the beach and are often shirtless, getting buff will take precedence over threads.

(Even then dressing like a vagabond will reduce your chances - I'm often reminded of a former poster on these boards, who worked as a lifeguard in his late teens/early twenties and managed to score some twat, and he was buff af, but he was autistic and dressed with very poor taste. As time passed, and outside of that immediate beach environment, he became less and less successful, and eventually was doing thousands of approaches to pork 1 mediocre snatch. Naturally, he reverted to the RP. Ye be warned).

IMO ideally a trifecta of all three (approaching, gym, and looks protocols including clothing as well as fashion accessories).