How do I get girls at work that I like?

[Mali]

I am somehow puzzled when seducers here talk about high quality girls. I'd like to know more specifics. Here are some questions, I'm looking for averages or ranges:

^ How much time it takes you from saying hi to bed her. The same day? A week, or month?
^ How many times do you ask her out for a date before she says yes. If she tells you No two times, do you just move on?
^ How old is she
^ What job does she have, how much she makes
^ Where do you actually meet most of these girls. Malls, street, dating apps, work, bars, restaurants
^ Does she have a long term boyfriend, and what do you consider long term
^ How many boyfriends did she have before meeting you, how many guys did she sleep with before you. Note that high quality girl will have very low count
^ How many single guys is she friend with on Facebook. All you have to do is to look at her pics and likes
^ When you are moving fast, what do you do when she stops following your lead
^ If she accepts first date but is so so for intimacy and definitely denies sex that day, how many more dates do you go for before she agrees to sex
^ How many girls do you interact with per month or a year with intention to bed them, and out of these how many do you actually bed.
^ If you banged X girls, how many of them do you keep in contact with? Will they meet you again months or years later?

You can see that I am quite skeptical here. I'm not saying that you guys don't have great skills but I don't believe you are moving from one 'high quality girl' to another every week or even month. It is subjective but I don't even meet high quality girls that often, maybe once every year. Or three.

I can't even imagine that I meet what I consider high quality girl, talk to her to just couple of minutes to get a date, go for a date couple days later, bed her the same night, and then ..... just walk away and look for another high quality girl? Sorry, this in my humble opinion is not a high quality girl, this is just some casual or horny girl that I don't really care about for long term. I would have never walked away from high quality girl as long as she is interested in me. If she is really into me, why would I want to walk away? That doesn't even make any sense. Why do you walk away? Another point, high quality girl that is in relationship will never accept date, and she will not give you her phone number. If she does she will brush you off real fast.

In my opinion high quality girls or women would be the following:

^ Good looking, at least 7-8, perhaps stunning looks
^ Taking a good care of herself, skinny, healthy lifestyle, exercising
^ Good education, at least college degree
^ Good job or career, good income, independent
^ Could be extroverted but doesn't have to be
^ She is not sleeping around, meaning not having a new boyfriend every couple of months, and she is not moving from one boyfriend to another in just couple of weeks
^ Likely not drinking alcohol, maybe only on occasion. No drugs. Not going to parties
^ Her parents have good and functioning marriage
^ She is not a single mom. I know high quality women who are single moms, but in general this is not a good sign for high quality
^ Yes, she does care about slut shaming, she cares who is she seen with in public. You can say what you want, a girl like this will never go out with a stranger in her area because she she can be seen by many people who know her, and she knows people talk. She can travel around to another city and look for fun, but again, this would also disqualify her from high quality girl
^ You guessed it, a girl like that is more on the conservative side, so even if she agrees to a date she will not accept sex the same day. What's more interesting, she may really like the lover but she will be looking for provider, for long term. If you can't prove yourself as a provider, she will likely throw away your lover frame no matter how good you are.

I mean really, bedding a girl who already slept with 20+ guys, who has a Facebook full of single guys who like every her pictures, who just lives for fun, who changes boyfriend every couple months is probably not that 'high quality'. This is a public forum and I can't ask for sharing her pictures, but would like to see what do you guys consider hot or jaw dropping

 

[ulrich]

You’re right on all the details yo list for what a quality girl is.
However, you seem to be in some kind of disbelief/scarcity mindset that there aren’t actually many many of these women out there.

As you suppose, it is not like you move from one to the next one… most of the girls you will meet will not be high quality… but you can also get to a point where you are dating one or two most of the time.

It takes really good targeting, finding a great location and prioritizing cute girls over the flashy ones.

Read this and tell me what you think:

You're Passing Up the Hottest, Coolest Girls

When I first moved to California, I set up a number of dates in advance (thanks, online dating!) so that I’d be able to hit the ground running when I got there. My first date I set up for one week after I’d arrived (I wanted a little time to unpack and make my place presentable first... plus...

www.girlschase.com

I remember Chase sending something on the newsletter also discussing how he makes really stringent criteria work for meeting high quality girls often.

One of the bottomline points was that many high quality assets are somewhat correlated:
Girls that are cute since birth tend to be more conservative, tend to be more intelligent, etc…

 

[TomInHo]

Bro I'm going to keep it real . . . You need to stop worrying about this high quality girl crap. From my observation it's the guys with the least sexual and relationship experience that worry about this nonsense, but let me tell you a secret.

You find high quality girls by banging and having relationships with tons of girls

Because the truth is you don't know what you want. You might have a list of qualities you think you will like but when you actually get it, you might not enjoy it as much as you think

Also let me point out a few flaws with your thinking

I can't even imagine that I meet what I consider high quality girl, talk to her to just couple of minutes to get a date, go for a date couple days later, bed her the same night, and then ..... just walk away and look for another high quality girl? Sorry, this in my humble opinion is not a high quality girl, this is just some casual or horny girl that I don't really care about for long term.

You my friend are suffering from the madonna/whore complex. Just because a woman sleeps with you fast has absolutely nothing to do with her quality

I remember when I was younger I had an acquaintance I used to run into at one of my favorite night clubs. One day he kept going on and on about how he met this quality girl that he thought was the one. Said she was sweet, conservative and not like the rest of those cheap whores. he had been courting her for weeks with no sex and wanted me to meet her

And when I saw her that night... I was shocked

His same princess that was so special was the same exact girl that I banged the last weekend on the same night. I admit she was pretty cool but I wasn't looking for an ongoing arrangement at the time, and it had nothing to do with the speed at which I laid her

I didn't have the heart to tell him that she was not who he thought she was

I would have never walked away from high quality girl as long as she is interested in me. If she is really into me, why would I want to walk away? That doesn't even make any sense. Why do you walk away? Another point, high quality girl that is in relationship will never accept date, and she will not give you her phone number. If she does she will brush you off real fast.

Sure, you would never walk away because you lack options and obviously pedestalize any decent girl that shows interest. Look man, girls are girls. Some are cool, some are smart, some are sweet but none of them are complete angels. But that's okay because it means that no matter how awesome that high quality girl your seeing is, you can always find someone thats better in other ways

You have to realize all women are replaceable, even the special ones

In my opinion high quality girls or women would be the following:

^ Good looking, at least 7-8, perhaps stunning looks
^ Taking a good care of herself, skinny, healthy lifestyle, exercising
^ Good education, at least college degree
^ Good job or career, good income, independent
^ Could be extroverted but doesn't have to be
^ She is not sleeping around, meaning not having a new boyfriend every couple of months, and she is not moving from one boyfriend to another in just couple of weeks
^ Likely not drinking alcohol, maybe only on occasion. No drugs. Not going to parties
^ Her parents have good and functioning marriage
^ She is not a single mom. I know high quality women who are single moms, but in general this is not a good sign for high quality
^ Yes, she does care about slut shaming, she cares who is she seen with in public. You can say what you want, a girl like this will never go out with a stranger in her area because she she can be seen by many people who know her, and she knows people talk. She can travel around to another city and look for fun, but again, this would also disqualify her from high quality girl
^ You guessed it, a girl like that is more on the conservative side, so even if she agrees to a date she will not accept sex the same day. What's more interesting, she may really like the lover but she will be looking for provider, for long term. If you can't prove yourself as a provider, she will likely throw away your lover frame no matter how good you are.

I mean really, bedding a girl who already slept with 20+ guys, who has a Facebook full of single guys who like every her pictures, who just lives for fun, who changes boyfriend every couple months is probably not that 'high quality'. This is a public forum and I can't ask for sharing her pictures, but would like to see what do you guys consider hot or jaw dropping

My god you sound like a middle aged woman with this list . . . Bro chill out.

Whatever happened to just fucking girls for fun and keeping the girls that are easy to be with?

Seriously, this is not rocket science. If you meet enough girls you will meet some that are just dope to hang out with and fuck, without worrying about if she matches your ridiculous 1000 bullets on your checklist

Go out in the field, put in the numbers, have an open mind, and try to get what you want as fast as possible. Do this and I promise that high quality girls that are compatible with your lifestyle will present themselves

 

[Teevster]

I don't understand why you are asking all these questions - some of them i consider totally irrelevant. But I will answer nevertheless.

^ How much time it takes you from saying hi to bed her. The same day? A week, or month?

Same day.

^ How many times do you ask her out for a date before she says yes. If she tells you No two times, do you just move on?

I don't ask girls on dates. Too time-consuming.

^ How old is she

Depends on the girl? I usually end up with women ranging from 18-30. Occasionally I do myself a cougar (it is fun). Most are mid 20's. I am soon 31.
I auto-reject girls under 18 by default (even it if it technically legal where i live - 15 is the age of consent).

^ What job does she have, how much she makes

I don't ask women how much she makes. I have sex with girls from different backgrounds.

My 5 lasts ones:
Escort (didn't pay), law student, HR-manager, Online communication manager, Fashion-retailer.

Nothing out of the ordinary.

^ Does she have a long term boyfriend, and what do you consider long term

I tend to avoid screwing girls with REAL boyfriends (a current flirt - i.e. "seeing this guy" doesn't count).

^ How many boyfriends did she have before meeting you, how many guys did she sleep with before you. Note that high quality girl will have very low count

Never asked, never cared. I'd guess it depends on her age.

Most of the girls I have seen longer term were in their 20's and had 1-2 boyfriends max (not counting in childhood flirts).

Note that high quality girl will have very low count

Bullshit. No correlation here. Sexual experience and knowing what one wants, and not suffering from neuroticism (from unnecessarily restricting one's desires) does not make one low quality.

^ When you are moving fast, what do you do when she stops following your lead

Consider it resistance, and act accordingly. Depending on how she stops following your lead. Generally, you will have to up compliance or/and lower resistance.

^ How many single guys is she friend with on Facebook.

How could I know, and why should I care?

All you have to do is to look at her pics and likes

Doesn't say much.

^ When you are moving fast, what do you do when she stops following your lead

Depends on what causes the resistance, but usually I would back down, build comfort, increase compliance, use potential resistance busters and try again. I may also move her around to chance scenery and up rapport and compliance.

^ If she accepts first date but is so so for intimacy and definitely denies sex that day, how many more dates do you go for before she agrees to sex

Always fuck on the first date.

^ How many girls do you interact with per month or a year with intention to bed them, and out of these how many do you actually bed.

Usually i average 1/5 but now I am at 1/7 because I am experimenting with stuff.

^ If you banged X girls, how many of them do you keep in contact with? Will they meet you again months or years later?

1/10 I keep in contact with. I only keep those who blew me away around. Rest will be "just another lay".



Best,
Teevster

 

[Mali]

Thank you for your answer Teevster.

What is high quality girl depends on opinions. If I ask twenty guys, each of them will have different definition. I met and interacted with many different girls in my life, yet there are very few girls that I consider high quality. To me, high quality girl means she doesn't sleep around (and some other things listed in my original comment). That's my definition and I understand that other guys don't agree. I don't agree or disagree with you, do whatever makes you happy, I'm only showing different opinion. Back to your answers:

^ Bedding a girl the same day. Sorry, she is not quality girl in my standards. I would call her easy going. She might be excited about meeting a new guy but this is only for a sex. She has no time to develop real connection with you or any other guy in one day. She doesn't share details about her life with you.

^ You don't ask for dates. So where and how do you meet her? Tinder? Are you saying that you meet her in the mall or on the street, start talking to her for couple minutes, and then go directly to your or her place? It's the same, she's too easy, she's not high quality girl.

^ Having a law degree, being a manager etc doesn't say anything about high quality girl. Possibly she has higher self-esteem and is more independent which only adds to overall quality but it is not a sign of it.

^ You don't ask or care about how many boyfriends or how many guys she slept before you. You don't know how much she makes. You don't care about how many single guys she keeps around on FB, those are obviously her back ups guys for just in case something goes wrong with her current boyfriend, I've seen it too many times. This is exactly my point. You don't know, yet this is her life, she for sure cares. You don't have a real connection with this girl, you only met for a quick bang, you only share superficial excitements. She could have easily banged fifty guys in the past threee months and you still consider her high quality. I don't think so. I wouldn't call her a village bicycle but you get my point, if she sleeps around chances are that you are not as valuable to her as you believe, she can easily replace you with dozen of other guys.

^ You say always fuck on a first date. I get it and I have nothing against it, it is a great style if your goal is to bang as many girls as possible. But again, this would be an easy girl, a girl who doesn't care about slut shaming, a girl who doesn't care about being seen with a new guy in area where she lives.

Just an opinion

 

[Mali]

Whatever happened to just fucking girls for fun and keeping the girls that are easy to be with?

TomInHo, thank you for answer but that’s not what I was asking for. Unlike most of you guys, I’m not really interested in just fucking girls for fun as you say, running from one girl to another, chasing bunch of good looking girls and counting my accomplishments. I’m looking for stable long term relationship based on loyalty and trust with high quality woman as described above. I didn't make up the qualities listed. I observed these, they are common in all girls I consider high quality.

 

[Teevster]

Thank you for your answer Teevster.

You are welcome.

What is high quality girl depends on opinions.

Yes, this is THE objective answer. also what you consider high quality today may change with experience and time. Trust me about that. There is such a thing as rewiring your attraction triggers.

I met and interacted with many different girls in my life, yet there are very few girls that I consider high quality.

Interacting is one thing, but connecting and truly getting to know her is something else. It usually happens post sex.

. I don't agree or disagree with you, do whatever makes you happy, I'm only showing different opinion. Back to your answers:

Let's agree to disagree

^ Bedding a girl the same day. Sorry, she is not quality girl in my standards. I would call her easy going. She might be excited about meeting a new guy but this is only for a sex. She has no time to develop real connection with you or any other guy in one day. She doesn't share details about her life with you.

Ok, fine. But then I must ask. Why wouldn't it be explained by your good game. She slept with you fast because you swept her off her feet? Are you going to call a girl low quality because you played your cards right? Most girls will fuck a girl the first night, if the conditions are right. This is the problem I have with this argument.

Of course, there are girls who do consciously seek to fuck a guy the same night, and it is part of their modus operandi. I don't consider them low quality, and i know you will disagree. But I think there is a major distinction to be made here.

She has no time to develop real connection with you or any other guy in one day. She doesn't share details about her life with you.

My opinion is that real connection happens POST sex due to increase comfort, increased intimacy and tons of oxytocin. In my opinion, women show their true self post sex. that's when they truly open up - and thus when you two can connect.

^ You don't ask for dates. So where and how do you meet her? Tinder? Are you saying that you meet her in the mall or on the street, start talking to her for couple minutes, and then go directly to your or her place? It's the same, she's too easy, she's not high quality girl.

Mostly bars and clubs lately, but I have done the street to bed, coffee shop to bed and all that. I personally choose not to because I am happy meeting girls at night. Personal preference.

Again, is she easy? or is she easy with you? Big difference!

Also, it is a fallacy to believe a girl you fuck the same day/night is easy. You have no idea how much test, wildcards, hoops one has to go through to have sex with them. Sometimes it is easier to extend the seduction to three dates (if one wants to and have the time to) then going for the same night lay.

^ Having a law degree, being a manager etc doesn't say anything about high quality girl. Possibly she has higher self-esteem and is more independent which only adds to overall quality but it is not a sign of it.

I have met girls with law degree who are totally trash, so I can agree with you here.

But you asked for their social background, so I answered.

^ You don't ask or care about how many boyfriends or how many guys she slept before you. You don't know how much she makes. You don't care about how many single guys she keeps around on FB, those are obviously her back ups guys for just in case something goes wrong with her current boyfriend, I've seen it too many times.

All hot girls have backups. Even those innocent ones. This is just the way it is. Even if she doesn't keep them on facebook, guys will be there chasing her. Women are programmed to keep orbiters. It is an evolutionary mechanism for survival.

I will know how much she makes eventually, once I choose to have something longer term. But I haven't really felt that this impacts my relationship unless she is dead broke (and starts begging for cash).

Just because most girls end up becoming quick bangs for me, does not mean they all end up just like that. some I do keep around. Some I have had relationships with. Both were intimate. And they were fantastic girls - although I all fuck them the first night. Actually the first real GF for 3 years, i met on the buss. Didn't fuck her right there, but met her up a few days later and had sex with her. She was a great GF.

She could have easily banged fifty guys in the past threee months and you still consider her high quality

Well, who am I too judge

But for reals, it won't bother me. It only shows sexual experience and that she knows how to please me. Secondly, because of her vast experience, two things happen:
1. She struggles committing...
2. But when she does... oh boy!

And I like that!

I wouldn't call her a village bicycle but you get my point, if she sleeps around chances are that you are not as valuable to her as you believe, she can easily replace you with dozen of other guys.

Because... you become extremely valuable to her! Just like she becomes very valuable to me. She is the one out of many... the one i chose!

And she won't replace me. None of my girls who had high counts left me for other men. We broke up for other reasons. I usually broke up.

^ You say always fuck on a first date. I get it and I have nothing against it, it is a great style if your goal is to bang as many girls as possible. But again, this would be an easy girl, a girl who doesn't care about slut shaming, a girl who doesn't care about being seen with a new guy in area where she lives.

A girl cares about slut-shaming till you make her not care anymore by stimulating her, by showing her that you won't judge her, and by telling her you will stay low key and keep it secret.

Let me tell you a story from years ago.

I was at this party, and a guy shared similar points to you. I was fucking easy girls, girls not suited for relationships. He didn't like easy girls, and his current girl was not that easy, made him wait multiple dates, had a normal lay count... girl next door.

Turns out the girl was at the party. Turns out I had sex with her in a bathroom that same night. I even fucked her butt.

When the guy told me that was his girl, I froze up and left.

You get the point.

Best,
Teevster

 

[TomInHo]

TomInHo, thank you for answer but that’s not what I was asking for. Unlike most of you guys, I’m not really interested in just fucking girls for fun as you say, running from one girl to another, chasing bunch of good looking girls and counting my accomplishments.

Oh no... You are destined for a world of hurt G

I’m looking for stable long term relationship based on loyalty and trust with high quality woman as described above. I didn't make up the qualities listed. I observed these, they are common in all girls I consider high quality.

Don't you see my point... you made this list out of pure fantasy not something based off reality

None of the qualities you mentioned guarantee you will have a stable relationship. Because even if you found this mythical woman, what makes you think you have the ability to even keep her loyal to you and treat you well?

I've seen it happen

A girl would be sweet and caring to me but then will turn around and be a manipulative succubus to another man. Literally the same girl but she will show different sides to different men

met and interacted with many different girls in my life, yet there are very few girls that I consider high quality. To me, high quality girl means she doesn't sleep around (and some other things listed in my original comment). That's my definition and I understand that other guys don't agree. I don't agree or disagree with you, do whatever makes you happy, I'm only showing different opinion. Back to your answers:

Sure, you've interacted with a bunch of high quality girls but you didn't fuck any of them. Why is that?

Also, interacting doesn't mean crap. Because like Teevs said the best way to really know a woman and build real intimacy is after you fuck her. Everything before that is just the tip of the ice berg of who she really is

So you end up idealizing someone that isn't even real

The only way to know if a girl is truly high quality is after fucking her for a while

^ Bedding a girl the same day. Sorry, she is not quality girl in my standards. I would call her easy going. She might be excited about meeting a new guy but this is only for a sex. She has no time to develop real connection with you or any other guy in one day. She doesn't share details about her life with you.

Again with the judge-mental attitude.

I know somethings about girls that I fucked on the same day/night that some of their closest friends, family and even boyfriends don't know about. Connection is not quantitative it also qualitative

And no its not only for sex. Most of my longest and most fulfilling relationships happened with women I fucked on the first date/night

^ Having a law degree, being a manager etc doesn't say anything about high quality girl. Possibly she has higher self-esteem and is more independent which only adds to overall quality but it is not a sign of it.

Good point

^ You don't ask or care about how many boyfriends or how many guys she slept before you.

The real question is why do you care?

You don't know how much she makes.

Who cares? You can't pay your own bills?

You don't care about how many single guys she keeps around on FB, those are obviously her back ups guys for just in case something goes wrong with her current boyfriend, I've seen it too many times.

All girls have backups. Regardless of their quality and frankly you should too

This is exactly my point. You don't know, yet this is her life, she for sure cares. You don't have a real connection with this girl, you only met for a quick bang, you only share superficial excitements. She could have easily banged fifty guys in the past three months and you still consider her high quality.

What if that 50 lay count girl falls madly in love with you and treats you like a freaking king?

While a girl with a 2 lay count disrespects and cheats behind your back?

You wouldn't know what you are going to get until you spend some time in a relationship with both and observe how they behave and treat you.

I don't think so. I wouldn't call her a village bicycle but you get my point, if she sleeps around chances are that you are not as valuable to her as you believe, she can easily replace you with dozen of other guys.

Newsflash..... No matter what the girls lay count is, you are replaceable. Even if you fuck a virgin you are still replaceable to her

In fact, the higher quality the girl the more replaceable you are because of high demand lol

But I see the real problem. You don't believe that you are valuable to women so you're trying to cheat the system by looking for some unicorn that will always be loyal to you no matter how crappy you are... doesn't work that way G

You have to make yourself into the kind of guy that women would be desperate to keep. Regardless of her body count or quality

^ You say always fuck on a first date. I get it and I have nothing against it, it is a great style if your goal is to bang as many girls as possible. But again, this would be an easy girl, a girl who doesn't care about slut shaming, a girl who doesn't care about being seen with a new guy in area where she lives.

Just an opinion

Okay bro fine.

Go and date a girl that makes you wait 10 dates to have sex and has everything on your fantasy list.

Just don't get mad when you later find out that her body count is actually 23 instead of the 2 that she told you. Or that she fucked 7 of those guys on the first date

You think I'm joking but I know guys that have experienced this exact thing with their high quality woman

Wish you the best

 

[DoWhatWorks]

@Mali I can empathise with you because literally at the start of this year I had similar thoughts.

You’ve had great advice already but I want to chime in on why experienced guys think this way:


1. High quality girls are… Girls. So you need to improve your skill set in getting / keeping girls in general. Your current mindset is you subconsciously wanting to skip steps.

Doesn’t work like that I’m afraid.

it’s also selfish. Think of your future higher quality GF does she want a man who’s competent & learnt to make girls feel amazing or the guy who tapped out & went to her she’s “easier” to keep?

2. You realise girls are fluid. It’s better for you to know the “real” her. If you’re judgmental (even subtly) girls will change around you and you’ll be making decisions with incorrect info

Personal story: Knew a “loyal housewife” who cooked/cleaned for her hubby before f*ing me

What stopped me from being the husband?

Experience in getting girls to open up.

3. Your tastes will (likely) change. I thought I wanted a sweet submissive girl…Until I got one & got bored. Now I like them with a dose of brattiness to keep it interesting

When you haven’t experienced many girls you don’t know what you like & what you don’t. What you’re sharing now is just society programming

Lastly no one here is telling you to marry an escort lol. We just know that when you’re having fun & sleeping with tons of girls, the most compatible, pleasant & “quality” ones for you just happen to stick around by default…

Enjoy the process.

 

[Teevster]

I remember when I was younger I had an acquaintance I used to run into at one of my favorite night clubs. One day he kept going on and on about how he met this quality girl that he thought was the one. Said she was sweet, conservative and not like the rest of those cheap whores. he had been courting her for weeks with no sex and wanted me to meet her

And when I saw her that night... I was shocked

His same princess that was so special was the same exact girl that I banged the last weekend on the same night. I admit she was pretty cool but I wasn't looking for an ongoing arrangement at the time, and it had nothing to do with the speed at which I laid her

Very similar to the story that I shared haha. Well when this happens with you, there is no going back really.

A normal man's world and a seducers world are two distinct realities. Sometimes I feel like we are discussing two different things.

Best,
Teevster

 

[Mali]

Oh no... You are destined for a world of hurt G

T: Oh no... You are destined for a world of hurt G
^ I do agree. It is not the best attitude but there is more to it.

T: Don't you see my point... you made this list out of pure fantasy not something based off reality
^ I've seen many decent long term relationships. It is not easy to find good partner but it is doable. It does take both parties to participate though.

T: what makes you think you have the ability to even keep her loyal to you and treat you well?
^ This tells me a lot about girls you are meeting. Very few are loyal. I do know loyal girls.

T: A girl would be sweet and caring to me but then will turn around and be a manipulative succubus to another man. Literally the same girl but she will show different sides to different men
^ I do agree

T: Sure, you've interacted with a bunch of high quality girls but you didn't fuck any of them. Why is that?
^ Well, lets describe couple of them that are quite memorable for me. First one I met and had an interest in was years ago. I had no idea what to do so naturally I messed up. I didn't even get a chance. Second one and third ones were married. Though they showed interest and I did my best, I also had no chance, they put walls to my advances really fast. Similarly with other guys who also tried, whether lovers or providers, they ended up the same. One guy was a really good lover, he slept with all the other girls around with ease, but he was only allowed to be her friend. I didn't even get the honorable friend status.

Forth one, lets call her A, was divorcing. She had kids which was a big turn off for me, so I only wanted to be a lover and I was very clear from the beginning that I won't be a provider. I had a strong lover frame but eventually got tired of her resistance, too much investment with no returns. So I went cold. That was a very bad move, she recognized it right away and it only pissed her off, she went totally off wagon, created drama which tells me she really cared. Shortly afterwards she went back to her husband and kids, she wanted to stick with provider. She kept couple other orbiters around but I considered them lower value. This was quite interesting case, in retrospect she was quite skillful and kept me on her backburner while working issues with her hubby and kids. I just couldn't walk away from her. I believe she was considering me strongly even without provider frame. Had I persisted and didn't go cold she would gave in, yet again, I have no interest in kids. I really had strong vibes with her for longer time, this 'break up' was painful and long lasting, I'll definitelly remember her for the rest of my life. My biggest mistake was I didn't give her enough time and space.

At the same time I met another one, single, no kids, looking for long term, lets call her B. I was too involved with the A so I didn't really pay much attention to B, but I know she was quite interested and was definitelly aiming for for long term. They both got to known each other, I skillfully placed B against A to induce some jealousy, which worked quite well on A. As far as I know B wasn't much aware of these subtle moves, and B even invited A for lunch right infront of me, I can only assume to discuss me. I thought that was hillarious move from A. After all the drama she created, it was just all too much so I moved away. As far as I know B is still available, we exchanged couple messages since, and I believe I could get her with some persistence. I'm still thinking about it, maybe I will.

In the mean time I met another one. This one is like a gem, single, no kids, sizling hot, doesn't date, focused on work. My jaw just drops, I didn't even believe women like that exist, talk about pure fantasy. I attempted genuine lovers frame, she threw it out of the window right away with a big happy smile. I think she was initially quite amused but blocked my attempt right away. No chances for lover. Somehow I had the intuition to setup also a provider frame. At first I thought it was a big mistake and I should have just walked away without hesitation, sort of alpha male style, either all right away or nothing. Which guy wants to be a provider? It is a boring frame, lower value, waiting. To my surprice she does seem interested in provider, or at least I didn't get the 'just friends' speach yet. So who knows? By now she put walls against all of my advances, I have no chance to do anything, all I can do is keep space and waiting for her decision. If I weren't in this situation before I would have been very frustrated, but I know waiting is the only option. Or I could walk away but I know doing that will never work.

Oh no... You are destined for a world of hurt G

T: Oh no... You are destined for a world of hurt G
^ I do agree. It is not the best attitude but there is more to it.

T: Don't you see my point... you made this list out of pure fantasy not something based off reality
^ I've seen many decent long term relationships. It is not easy to find good partner but it is doable. It does take both parties to participate though.

T: what makes you think you have the ability to even keep her loyal to you and treat you well?
^ This tells me a lot about girls you are meeting. Very few are loyal. I do know loyal girls.

T: A girl would be sweet and caring to me but then will turn around and be a manipulative succubus to another man. Literally the same girl but she will show different sides to different men
^ I do agree

T: Sure, you've interacted with a bunch of high quality girls but you didn't fuck any of them. Why is that?
^ Well, lets describe couple of them that are quite memorable for me as I spent some time with them. I met more of them but didn't interact long enough. So first memorable one I met and had an interest in was years ago. I had no idea what to do so naturally I messed up. I didn't even get a chance, I had no idea what is happening, ended up with blue balls. Second one and third ones were married. Though they showed interest and I did my best, I also had no chance, they put walls to my advances really fast. Similarly with other guys who also tried, whether lovers or providers, they ended up the same. One guy was a really good lover, he slept with all the other girls around with ease, but he was only allowed to be her friend. I didn't even get the honorable friend status.

Forth one, lets call her A, was divorcing. She had kids which was a big turn off for me, so I only wanted to be a lover and I was very clear from the beginning that I won't be a provider. I had a strong lover frame but eventually got tired of her resistance, too much investment with no returns. So after a while I went cold. That was a very bad move, she recognized it right away and it only pissed her off, she went totally off wagon and created quite unexpected drama. That just tells me she was quite emotionally involved although she pretended not to care. Shortly afterwards she went back to her husband and kids, she wanted to stick with the provider. She kept couple other orbiters around but I considered them lower value. This was quite interesting case, in retrospect she was quite skillful and kept me on her back-burner while going through divorce and working on issues with her hubby and kids. I just couldn't walk away from her, I tried, and when I eventually did it didn't ended up well as described. I believe she was considering me strongly even without provider frame. Had I persisted and didn't go cold she would gave in, yet again, I have no interest in kids. I really had strong vibes with her for longer time, this 'break up' was painful and long lasting, I'll definitely remember her for the rest of my life. My biggest mistake was I didn't give her enough time and space, the rest of my game was solid.

At the same time I met another one, single, no kids, looking for long term, lets call her B. I was too involved with the A so I didn't really pay much attention to B, but I know she was quite interested and was definitely aiming for for long term. If A weren't there I would have ended up with B as she shown above average interest. They both got to known each other, and at one time I skillfully placed B against A to induce some jealousy, which worked quite well on A. As far as I know B wasn't much aware of these subtle moves, and B even invited A for lunch right in front of me. To talk about me? Lol, I thought that was quite hilarious move from A. After all the drama she created in the end, it was just all too much so I moved away. As far as I know B is still available, we exchanged couple messages since, and I believe I could get her with some persistence. I'm still thinking about it, maybe I will.

In the mean time I met another one. This one is like a gem, single, no kids, sizzling hot, doesn't date, focused on work. My jaw just drops, I didn't even believe women like that exist, talk about pure fantasy. I attempted genuine lovers frame, she threw it out of the window right away with a big happy smile. I think she was even amused with my attempt but blocked it right away. No chances for lover. Somehow I had the intuition to setup also a provider frame. At first I thought it was a big mistake and I should have just walked away without hesitation, sort of alpha male style, either all right away or nothing. Which guy wants to be a provider? It is a boring frame, lower value, waiting. I got mad at myself, though I am aiming for long term, provider frame sucks. But to my surprise she does seem interested in provider, or at least I didn't get the 'just friends' speech yet. So I know she is thinking, but who knows? By now she put up walls against all of my advances, I have no chance to do anything, her body language is unreadable, she keeps her distance, and all I can do is keep space and waiting for her decision. If I weren't in this situation before I would have been very frustrated, but I know waiting is the only option. If she decides in my favor she will get both, lover and provider. If not there is nothing I can do, move on. I could also walk away now but I also know that will never work.

 

[Mali]

Ok, fine. But then I must ask. Why wouldn't it be explained by your good game. She slept with you fast because you swept her off her feet? Are you going to call a girl low quality because you played your cards right? Most girls will fuck a girl the first night, if the conditions are right. This is the problem I have with this argument.

T: Ok, fine. But then I must ask. Why wouldn't it be explained by your good game. She slept with you fast because you swept her off her feet? Are you going to call a girl low quality because you played your cards right?

I see it differently. If a girl is great looking she gets hit on many times every week by many different guys. There are lots of guys with some sort of game these days, not everybody is inexperienced dummy. You might have a great game, no questions about it, but sweeping her off her feet is probably overestimation. Out of all the guys she met, there are many guys who can do the same or very similar. When she senses quick lovers frame she knows right away what are you about. So it comes down to whether she is horny, what is the logistic etc. That's why I wrote that girl who cares about shaming will not go for a date with lover in her area because she knows there could be people around who know her. Conservative girl won't probably even talk to you either because her girlfriends also "know" who you are. Lower quality care girls don't care much.

 

[Teevster]

T: Ok, fine. But then I must ask. Why wouldn't it be explained by your good game. She slept with you fast because you swept her off her feet? Are you going to call a girl low quality because you played your cards right?

I see it differently. If a girl is great looking she gets hit on many times every week by many different guys. There are lots of guys with some sort of game these days, not everybody is inexperienced dummy. You might have a great game, no questions about it, but sweeping her off her feet is probably overestimation. Out of all the guys she met, there are many guys who can do the same or very similar. When she senses quick lovers frame she knows right away what are you about. So it comes down to whether she is horny, what is the logistic etc. That's why I wrote that girl who cares about shaming will not go for a date with lover in her area because she knows there could be people around who know her. Conservative girl won't probably even talk to you either because her girlfriends also "know" who you are. Lower quality care girls don't care much.

If you don't believe there are some men who are very experienced in this field, and capable of learning this as an art, in such a way that it can break social conventions, and have a real influence on girls, then why are you here?

Curious question.

Best,
Teevster

 

[Swati]

not your topic, but your lists come from noob dudes and don't get girls consistently. I didn't read it because it's the same boring girlfriend-seeking BS list.

understand, if you aren't getting sex consistently you really don't have a good way to decide what you can get, you daydream, but is not reality. I'm talking about 1-2 on average a month at least closing. you aren't going to be able to decipher even some materials from the article because of your lack of experience in the field, to set any standards for your short and long-term goals.

The best way to find a girlfriend is to retain the girls you slept with and move forward into a relationship. accepting a relationship before locking in a girl or not having sex allows frame grab from the girl bargaining for her pussy, eventually, she will completely bitch you.

breakthrough girls are a thing often a benchmark for your standard then after a while, you tend to break through another phase where you can do better and etc...

but achieved that "high-quality girl" you need to have consistently.

absolute abundance, understanding of social frame, and calibrations and etc

I'll tell you a 7 will not pass my standard of attraction for anything long/short term because even ST they drain my sexual drive, which I need for other women in the upcoming.

Women are judged mostly based on their beauty and a portion is based on personality. by getting quality you need to work on fuckable girls first to get experience start getting 5s first consistently then move forward

almost all my girls have been 1st date lays. I make sure to move fast and it sets a good precedent, if it's date its within 4 hours

understanding female psychology, relationship control and etc is a different topic

The reason you have this laundry list mostly because you watched too much YouTube main stream dudes selling you BS and above I see some more advanced guys, tribal elders, roasting you, they don't have tolerance for amateurs mainstream media. go take some action on cold approaching girls and come back with field experiences after a while.

just watching red pill garbage like rollo tomassi wouldn't help you, btw that guy has 40 lays, is a joke

EVERYONE WANTS HIGHER QUALITY GIRLS

 

[Skills]

Sometimes dudes just need to go ahead and experience this themselves, they will not get it on a logical level (how many regular friends do we have asking the same shit and it always a waste of time when you try to help them) cause that is not the reality.....As we all agree is usually dudes that have no clue about women and are romantic idealistic (blue pill as they call it), and of course dudes that either don't get laid, barely get laid, are going through slump in pick up, or guys that get laid that can't hold on to girls, or dudes coming out of break ups.... Same people over and over, the less they get laid the loudest with the quality girl crap...

They need to go through the i am looking for a quality girl stage, get the onitis, see that girl losing attraction for the dude and leaving them for another guy, then they are in shocked (why did she leave? all i did for her), and get the "I get it now moment" ... Right now he will not get this on a logical level is too far from his reality, it will shutter his world view and frame.... Hopefully when this happened he does not get shaded and join red pill crap like every other one of these dudes like op.... Anyways dude start here

 

[Mali]

not your topic, but your lists come from noob dudes and don't get girls consistently. I didn't read it because it's the same boring girlfriend-seeking BS list.

understand, if you aren't getting sex consistently you really don't have a good way to decide what you can get, you daydream, but is not reality. I'm talking about 1-2 on average a month at least closing. you aren't going to be able to decipher even some materials from the article because of your lack of experience in the field, to set any standards for your short and long-term goals.

The best way to find a girlfriend is to retain the girls you slept with and move forward into a relationship. accepting a relationship before locking in a girl or not having sex allows frame grab from the girl bargaining for her pussy, eventually, she will completely bitch you.

breakthrough girls are a thing often a benchmark for your standard then after a while, you tend to break through another phase where you can do better and etc...

but achieved that "high-quality girl" you need to have consistently.

absolute abundance, understanding of social frame, and calibrations and etc

I'll tell you a 7 will not pass my standard of attraction for anything long/short term because even ST they drain my sexual drive, which I need for other women in the upcoming.

Women are judged mostly based on their beauty and a portion is based on personality. by getting quality you need to work on fuckable girls first to get experience start getting 5s first consistently then move forward

almost all my girls have been 1st date lays. I make sure to move fast and it sets a good precedent, if it's date its within 4 hours

understanding female psychology, relationship control and etc is a different topic

The reason you have this laundry list mostly because you watched too much YouTube main stream dudes selling you BS and above I see some more advanced guys, tribal elders, roasting you, they don't have tolerance for amateurs mainstream media. go take some action on cold approaching girls and come back with field experiences after a while.

just watching red pill garbage like rollo tomassi wouldn't help you, btw that guy has 40 lays, is a joke

EVERYONE WANTS HIGHER QUALITY GIRLSI

I don’t disagree

 

[Mali]

Sometimes dudes just need to go ahead and experience this themselves, they will not get it on a logical level (how many regular friends do we have asking the same shit and it always a waste of time when you try to help them) cause that is not the reality.....As we all agree is usually dudes that have no clue about women and are romantic idealistic (blue pill as they call it), and of course dudes that either don't get laid, barely get laid, are going through slump in pick up, or guys that get laid that can't hold on to girls, or dudes coming out of break ups.... Same people over and over, the less they get laid the loudest with the quality girl crap...

They need to go through the i am looking for a quality girl stage, get the onitis, see that girl losing attraction for the dude and leaving them for another guy, then they are in shocked (why did she leave? all i did for her), and get the "I get it now moment" ... Right now he will not get this on a logical level is too far from his reality, it will shutter his world view and frame.... Hopefully when this happened he does not get shaded and join red pill crap like every other one of these dudes like op.... Anyways dude start here

I see it little bit differently. The quality of women in US is in my opinion low. Once she is 30s she is usually 20-30 pounds overweight, have children, divorced, and who knows how many guys she slept with on the side. She is influenced by feminism so she doesn’t value men in general. She is entitled, she might be 6 but is demanding 10. Do I want to learn some top seduction skills to sleep with bunch of woman like that? I don’t think so. So make no mistake, I could teach you lots of red pill. On the other hand just because somebody is looking for more stable relationship, with decent, good looking and conservative women who didn't sleep much around and who has to offer way more than sex to man’s life doesn’t necessary mean that it’s a blue pill either.

 

[Chase]

@Mali,

^ Well, lets describe couple of them that are quite memorable for me as I spent some time with them. I met more of them but didn't interact long enough. So first memorable one I met and had an interest in was years ago. I had no idea what to do so naturally I messed up. I didn't even get a chance, I had no idea what is happening, ended up with blue balls. Second one and third ones were married. Though they showed interest and I did my best, I also had no chance, they put walls to my advances really fast. Similarly with other guys who also tried, whether lovers or providers, they ended up the same. One guy was a really good lover, he slept with all the other girls around with ease, but he was only allowed to be her friend. I didn't even get the honorable friend status.

Forth one, lets call her A, was divorcing. She had kids which was a big turn off for me, so I only wanted to be a lover and I was very clear from the beginning that I won't be a provider. I had a strong lover frame but eventually got tired of her resistance, too much investment with no returns. So after a while I went cold. That was a very bad move, she recognized it right away and it only pissed her off, she went totally off wagon and created quite unexpected drama. That just tells me she was quite emotionally involved although she pretended not to care. Shortly afterwards she went back to her husband and kids, she wanted to stick with the provider. She kept couple other orbiters around but I considered them lower value. This was quite interesting case, in retrospect she was quite skillful and kept me on her back-burner while going through divorce and working on issues with her hubby and kids. I just couldn't walk away from her, I tried, and when I eventually did it didn't ended up well as described. I believe she was considering me strongly even without provider frame. Had I persisted and didn't go cold she would gave in, yet again, I have no interest in kids. I really had strong vibes with her for longer time, this 'break up' was painful and long lasting, I'll definitely remember her for the rest of my life. My biggest mistake was I didn't give her enough time and space, the rest of my game was solid.

At the same time I met another one, single, no kids, looking for long term, lets call her B. I was too involved with the A so I didn't really pay much attention to B, but I know she was quite interested and was definitely aiming for for long term. If A weren't there I would have ended up with B as she shown above average interest. They both got to known each other, and at one time I skillfully placed B against A to induce some jealousy, which worked quite well on A. As far as I know B wasn't much aware of these subtle moves, and B even invited A for lunch right in front of me. To talk about me? Lol, I thought that was quite hilarious move from A. After all the drama she created in the end, it was just all too much so I moved away. As far as I know B is still available, we exchanged couple messages since, and I believe I could get her with some persistence. I'm still thinking about it, maybe I will.

In the mean time I met another one. This one is like a gem, single, no kids, sizzling hot, doesn't date, focused on work. My jaw just drops, I didn't even believe women like that exist, talk about pure fantasy. I attempted genuine lovers frame, she threw it out of the window right away with a big happy smile. I think she was even amused with my attempt but blocked it right away. No chances for lover. Somehow I had the intuition to setup also a provider frame. At first I thought it was a big mistake and I should have just walked away without hesitation, sort of alpha male style, either all right away or nothing. Which guy wants to be a provider? It is a boring frame, lower value, waiting. I got mad at myself, though I am aiming for long term, provider frame sucks. But to my surprise she does seem interested in provider, or at least I didn't get the 'just friends' speech yet. So I know she is thinking, but who knows? By now she put up walls against all of my advances, I have no chance to do anything, her body language is unreadable, she keeps her distance, and all I can do is keep space and waiting for her decision. If I weren't in this situation before I would have been very frustrated, but I know waiting is the only option. If she decides in my favor she will get both, lover and provider. If not there is nothing I can do, move on. I could also walk away now but I also know that will never work.

Most of these women strike me as more sexually/romantically experienced than you.

If it was the other way around, you'd be owning the frame and laying them.

But your attempts to seduce are either going nowhere or stopping at LMR, and your attempts at controlling the frame are being evaded.

The married ones I can't say for sure, but I wonder what situation you're meeting them in that so many different guys are taking shots at them, and you are knowing how those shots unfold. They sound like they're putting themselves out there / making themselves available -- if they are, then they are on the market... and newsflash with taken women on the market, they are going to tend to advertise the guys they reject (makes them look more loyal/chaste), meanwhile any guys they cheat with you are not going to know about it; that is not something they will advertise.

Anyway you also say this:

Unlike most of you guys, I’m not really interested in just fucking girls for fun as you say, running from one girl to another, chasing bunch of good looking girls and counting my accomplishments. I’m looking for stable long term relationship based on loyalty and trust with high quality woman as described above. I didn't make up the qualities listed. I observed these, they are common in all girls I consider high quality.

Well, somehow or other you are going to need to get your experience levels up if you want to get girls like the ones you're after.

You don't have to become a super seducer, but you do need to raise your level of sexual and romantic experience.

So long as you're pursuing these women who are more experienced than you are and/or unavailable/married women, you are going to struggle.

Rather than worrying about finding the highest of high quality girls to get your initial practice with, I would suggest you start here:

Lower Your Standards (and Date Hotter Girls)

In "How Much Do Looks Matter for Romantic Success?," Balla asks whether to lower your standards in pursuit of getting the best results with women achievable: “Hey Chase, I can agree with everything you wrote to a T. What I want to ask about is this. You say naturals are better to learn from...

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Chase

 

[Skills]

I see it little bit differently. The quality of women in US is in my opinion low. Once she is 30s she is usually 20-30 pounds overweight, have children, divorced, and who knows how many guys she slept with on the side. She is influenced by feminism so she doesn’t value men in general. She is entitled, she might be 6 but is demanding 10. Do I want to learn some top seduction skills to sleep with bunch of woman like that? I don’t think so. So make no mistake, I could teach you lots of red pill. On the other hand just because somebody is looking for more stable relationship, with decent, good looking and conservative women who didn't sleep much around and who has to offer way more than sex to man’s life doesn’t necessary mean that it’s a blue pill either.

no you want to learn seduction to have the ability to not get women like that.... Also you have a very negative view of what is out there, sure there are women like that, but there are also women that are not like that, it seems you are coping not to do the hard work required and making excuses.... As a matter of fact, this generation of women even older are really into working out, most women are delaying or not having kids, in usa are making a lot of money even more than dudes etc.... Stop consuming red pill content i suspect you are getting your ras focus on the wrong aspect..... The whole point of learning seduction, is to go for the women of your choice, whatever that is for you, hopefully without relying on money, status etc.... But to get real raw sexual attraction and desire.... Again in order to get a quality girl you need to be able no matter what to get a lot of women, that is how it works, there are no short cost.... so the formula is again sleeping and having access or the ability to access women in plural, with time screen the ones that are not to part, and give a chance to the ones you see potential to stick around and date you to get a clear evaluation, once proven she is in..... Vs the idealistic model/snipper approach, that is a very horrible system (trust me i did that), you write a list of what you think you want such as your list (i went to a tony robbins seminar wrote a list like that, and got exactly the girl i wanted so this is experience), you date her and you express or she suspects your idealistic romantic world view, she gets this intelligence and mold and adapt herself to the world view you are asking for.... Once she get you to commit and she got you, game over, and you may get lucky and it work outs(super unusual, low odds), or it may be a total disaster.... That is when you open you are eyes, and said "fuck what the fuck i got into" this is not what i was picturing..... But anyways this is a waste of time, no your fault, you already believe what you believe is like trying to explain to someone that Allah is bs....

 

[Chase]

no you want to learn seduction to have the ability to not get women like that....

Indeed.

Once she is 30s she is usually 20-30 pounds overweight, have children, divorced, and who knows how many guys she slept with on the side. She is influenced by feminism so she doesn’t value men in general. She is entitled, she might be 6 but is demanding 10.

So:

• Over 30
• 20-30 lbs. overweight
• Divorced single mother
• High notch count
• Feminist man-hater

This chick sounds like a nightmare.

Do I want to learn some top seduction skills to sleep with bunch of woman like that?

lol... nobody with even low advanced seduction skills is sleeping with women like that, let alone top.

Any intermediate guys who sleep with them are only doing so because they're trying to get their notches up. And not every intermediate guy will be willing to go that far just for notches...

Dudes going for women like that either a.) have no game, or b.) are 25+ years older than those chicks, have "old man blinders" on, and the chick seems like a catch to them compared to the women their own age (post-menopausal women with sagging everything and college-aged kids plus the increasingly frequent medical issues people get after age 40 or 50 or so).

There are also the companion-type guys, who look for women with shared life experiences, and don't care about age / if she has kids / etc. But even those guys will be looking at least for a gal who keeps herself in shape and is not awful to be around.

So, again -- if a guy is going for these types, he either has low/no game, or old man blinders on (or is such a pure hedonist that he will stick his johnston into anything that moves... there are those types too...).

Chase