How is game different with trans girls?

[Zarathustra2077]

I remember laughing after reading this a while back, but it's actually a terrifying story. Like to actually have escalated so far with no knowledge... Yikes. They are putting themselves in so much danger too. Bait and switching the wrong guy could get the shit beat out of you.

OP, are you from Iran? Guessing from username. And maybe bisexual struggling with this trying to ease into it? I had a roommate who was closet gay from Iran. Big internal struggle, thinking he was a sinner, etc. I think he got over it by rationalizing that God made gay animals or something.

Also before noticing a while later that @Teevster edited his post 44 here with the wokism part, I thought he was serious lol

Do you fuck girls with herpes?

Now my knowledge of it is formed for the first time from being in nonjudgmental conversations with girls. So you hear her emotional story all about how she had this horrifying outbreak experience It is true that the FIRST HSV flair-up tend to be a bit brutal (fever, flu like symptoms) but...

www.skilledseducer.com

But yes from matching accidentally sometimes swiping fast on apps, it seems they tend to play an active role.

Oh I see Alek responded while I'm typing. Not surprised as he is familiar with that world. Seems consistent with my experience here. I don't think I was neo direct, but there was some explicit conversation and physical escalation (hand on waist, lower back leading, arm around shoulder, etc).

FR - Victoria's Secret Model

Warmup drove past street fair and parked. Discovered it was a pride fest. Signed up with a booth girl for a free gift. Told her the name was fake and teased her about still getting the bonus. She was holding eye contact really hard and asked my name and about me. She extended her hand and I did...

www.skilledseducer.com

No im from western europe and yes i might be bissexual i am almost sure.

 

[KJ Francis]

But yes, I have seen it all.

Didn't think I could doubt that any less, yet here we are...

im from western europe

Ah good. For your safety...

 

[Zarathustra2077]

Yes.

When I was hanging at those trans-events in Paris with my gay/trav-loving friend, we eventually went to this transexual event. The club was fileld with transwomen and men who chased them. The dynamic was very different from regular venues. Men where outright competing for the hottest trans. However, it still did not look anything like the usual male-to-female dynamic. It was its own thing.

In fact, I was stuck there with my friend (he had gone out with me on saturdays to normal venues and winged me, so I went with him to weird lgbt+ events on sundays, including this event). Now Being stuck there and drinking and observing, which got boring quickly, I though well, wy not just "hit" on some of those trannies for the sake of the experiment. .

Now here is where it gets weird. I got rejected LEFT and RIGHT. Like 0 results with my usual game, which tend to be rather indirect and with mixed signals.

Ok, you may argue, I was not on fire that night. In fact I had been out friday and saturday. Or maybe I simply did not put in any soul into my approaches - I mean it was not like I was motivated picking up individuals was not genuinely attracted to if you see what I mean. But this too is not a plausible explanation as some really DO LOOK like real women, and with some booze in your system, you actually need to consciously remind yourself that - right now, it all looks like a normal cis, but once naked, you may be faced with a wiener. So I do not think it was that.

But then there was THIS real women there - a CIS woman who randomly ended up in that venue and seemed lost for whatever reason (wonder why). Interesting fact, she got 0 attention from the men there, as all men at that even were looking for transgender.

Well, guess what - I approach her, and I instantantly hooked. And pulled. It was easy. Too easy.

So my game was not the problem. It was jsut that my game was not suited for transwomen. It was suited for cis-women.

In fact, what I noticed was that those who had success with transwomen were physically agressive, and used very direct neo-direct game. Their vibe was very bad-boyish and "masculine". The more muscular the more success generally.

Now that's interesting - reflect on this for a bit.

I eventually was forced to go back to this transgender event with my gay/trav-loving friend 2 weeks later (actuallly I was a bit excited since it was fun and I did pull last time- and yes she did have a pussy and it was not post-op).

So I went back. This time, 0 cis-women there. But despite this I though ok let's try neo direct game and see how trans-women reacted.

I had transwomen all over me man.

Neo-direct works... on transwomen.

Be direct, straight to the point. Be confident and be physical.

That's what my kind of KJ observation has taught me. To be taken with a huge grain of salt.

-Teevster

What is neo direct game exactly? I tried searching but couldnt find an answer. Sorry if im asking dumb questions im a noob

 

[Chase]

What I would say from the few times I approached, then realised the girl is not really a girl, but stayed in the set enough out of politeness:

Approach with a genuine compliment and just let the trans close you. Believe
me, sooner or later it’s gonna happen.

That's been my experience.

I have zero sexual interest in trans-anything. Women, men, zebras, water buffalo, you name it.

But I am endlessly fascinated with people, and like hearing from people living different lives, and when I can talk to trannies about themselves to me that is interesting.

However, what my observation has been is that if you talk to a transsexual for more than a couple of minutes, just regular old chitchat showing interest in this person as a fellow human being, they are very quickly all over you. At which point it is time to hit the eject button ⏏

I said that to @Teevster when he said there was a dude wanting to ask about picking up transsexuals:

My experience with transsexuals is that generally THEY try to pick YOU up.

I have had different trannies:

1. Grab my hands and put them on their stomachs
2. Stick their hands in my shirt and feel up my chest
3. Grab my crotch
4. Try to invite themselves home with me
5. Ask me if I've "ever had a blow job from a transsexual"

Teevster's neo-direct observation is interesting.

Direct compliments + caveman game.

If that isn't working, you can just do what I have done...

I had a hormone tranny in a nightclub I'd been chatting with (zero girls in the club and I was trying to keep social momentum up + preselection for whenever the girls finally arrived... newsflash they never did that night ). It got late, guys got drunk, we were near the dance floor, dudes kept coming up hitting on this tranny, grabbing the tranny, trying to get this guy/chick/whatever to go and dance because they thought it was a legit girl, but the tranny kept fending them off then coming onto me, trying to show me how soft its skin was, coming onto me... I was like "Bro I was legit just trying to talk, come on!"... had to flee outta there...

One thing to keep in mind with trannies is they do not want to FEEL like trannies, they want to feel like "real women", which means they do not want "tranny chasers"... they want "straight guys"... I have heard them talk about this a lot, how tranny chasers (dudes who want to bang trannies) disgust them and they only want guys who want real women... it is like tranny-ception...

But basically: if you seem like just a normal dude, who is NOT into trannies, but who is chill around them and not weirded out by them, they are probably going to chase you for some "non-tranny chaser 'straight guy'" action -- at least that has been my experience.

(nowadays I basically just do not ask them anything about themselves because it is mostly the same stuff and I know just talking to them is a trigger for them to start chasing you)

Oh and for the dudes curious for the pre-op hormone trannies, I had one of them tell me that sex for them is "usually oral but sometimes anal"... for the post-op ones they do vaginal but they need to lube it up first since the neo-vagina is not self-lubricating... though we had a puberty blocked stealth tranny in the comments of my "how to spot a transsexual" article claiming to have a self-lubricating neo-vagina; I don't know how that works though. Dude seemed honestly pretty out there.

And that is all I know!

Chase

 

[KJ Francis]

What is neo direct game exactly? I tried searching but couldnt find an answer. Sorry if im asking dumb questions im a noob

What Is a "Bad" Approach (Neo-Direct)?

A few years back @Teevster (Alek Rolstad) and I came out against a disturbing low- / no-game trend we have been seeing in a lot of newer guys approaching girls. The trend revolves around making generic looks-based direct opener compliments to girls, with basically no push-pull or flirtation...

www.skilledseducer.com

I'm curious now if male approaching transwoman game differs from gay game. I could see myself visiting gay bars to meet women. So it would be good to understand the game there so I can be a good guest and even wingman

 

[Zarathustra2077]

What Is a "Bad" Approach (Neo-Direct)?

A few years back @Teevster (Alek Rolstad) and I came out against a disturbing low- / no-game trend we have been seeing in a lot of newer guys approaching girls. The trend revolves around making generic looks-based direct opener compliments to girls, with basically no push-pull or flirtation...

www.skilledseducer.com

I'm curious now if male approaching transwoman game differs from gay game. I could see myself visiting gay bars to meet women. So it would be good to understand the game there so I can be a good guest and even wingman

thanks brother

 

[KJ Francis]

We're gonna need another new LR flag Chase

 

[Chase]

We're gonna need another new LR flag Chase

I will draw the line at that.

I'm cool with one thread about transsexual pickup.

We're not turning this into Gays Chase though.

Once you open those floodgates, there is no turning back... the gay takes over everything, and drives out all straightness before it!

 

[Skills]

I think you landed on the wrong forum buddy.

A lot gen z into trans unfortunately but I agree with top cat and... As much as secret society we are doesn't align with goal of forum

 

[Skills]

I will draw the line at that.

I'm cool with one thread about transsexual pickup.

We're not turning this into Gays Chase though.

Once you open those floodgates, there is no turning back... the gay takes over everything, and drives out all straightness before it!

Correct

 

[Skills]

Op you don't need game to seduce trans for obvious biological reasons.. they think just like you no seduction needed... As teevester says neo direct and no judgement... for most of forum that want to avoid they bs about kids at home, husband etc to throw you off...

 

[Teevster]

A lot gen z into trans unfortunately but I agree with top cat and... As much as secret society we are doesn't align with goal of forum

I noticed the same. A lot of young men are trans-curious - when i was their age, having sex with trans, or even considering it was an oddity. And these young men today are normal guys who are not part of niche-events or niche-communities. Without disclosing info about the OP - he is a young man.

I also agree that this thread should be a one off. So let us try to give the OP the best possible advice.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Trans game 101 based on my KJ observation from hanging at this event: https://www.escualita.com/les-photos

1. Get ripped - the more muscle, the better - although not a must.
2. Be a badboy stereotype and act like a badboy. No feminine traits.
3. Be physical - a must!
4. Be direct and confident - a must!
5. Be non-judgemental - a must!

Interesting how this is identicial to the typical "rizz-game" we see trending online.

I will also add that logistics is key - finding out places where these people tend to hang. Here is a list:
- Afterhour venues - always filled with trannies. Usually that club that closes super late. They go there because many work as escorts and are only free at that time, and gives them a chance to get one more client, who tend to be drunk horny men (e.g. afterhour venue).
- Gay friendly clubs - but not pure gay-clubs - because trans do not want gay men, nor do they idenifity as gay (men). Clubs that are generally lgbtq+ friendly tend to have them, mostly because it is a safespace for them.
- Special-events for transpeople in major city.
- Tinder, bumble.
- South-america and Thailand.

This the most KJ post I have ever written since it is based on me observing "others", but I hope I get a pass on this one.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

I noticed the same. A lot of young men are trans-curious - when i was their age, having sex with trans, or even considering it was an oddity. And these young men today are normal guys who are not part of niche-events or niche-communities. Without disclosing info about the OP - he is a young man.

I also agree that this thread should be a one off. So let us try to give the OP the best possible advice.

-Teevster

I personally think is lack of options vs previous gens and laziness since is easier..also supply and demand if women no out they settle for a trans.... Also innovation on tech spme trans in South Beach you will think is a hot girl you would never know trust me
... I per fr thanks god fr vs lr got tricked till i saw a giant snake like magic trick... No way it looked like a dude

 

[Teevster]

I personally think is lack of options vs previous gens and laziness since is easier..also supply and demand if women no out they settle for a trans.... Also innovation on tech spme trans in South Beach you will think is a hot girl you would never know trust me
... I per fr thanks god fr vs lr got tricked till i saw a giant snake like magic trick... No way it looked like a dude

Some of them look convincing. I do not blame men who fall for the trap, especially late at night with booze in their system .

That was how I ended up with a post-op - I did not even see a penis.

-Teevster

 

[bkw]

Tell them you've never seen an adam's apple so sexy before?

 

[Teevster]

Tell them you've never seen an adam's apple so sexy before?

Retarded answer.

Trans mostly get it removed.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Retarded answer.

Trans mostly get it removed.

-Teevster

Yes with the tech you won't be able to tell now a days in a lot of cases.. sometimes is bad for game cause you may have a legit female and if something is off you quit out of trauma... I lost 2 legit girls for something they said or did or hung out with gays are of what if, and i was wrong... My point tech now a days crazy...

 

[Teevster]

Yes with the tech you won't be able to tell now a days in a lot of cases.. sometimes is bad for game cause you may have a legit female and if something is off you quit out of trauma... I lost 2 legit girls for something they said or did or hung out with gays are of what if, and i was wrong... My point tech now a days crazy...

I have actually made that mistake - like screened out those girls with fake botox lips and fake asses, because I just classified them as trans. That trashy jersey shore/kim kardashian look and I instantely go: she got a dick. Heck I even think Kim Kardashian look like a T.

Edit: based on research, the artificialness is actually what men who find transgender attractive are into - this whole idea of artificiality and betwixt and between. Read some papers on it - kind of fascinating.

I will be franck, even if I am personally not turned on by transgender, I find the whole thing quite fascinating - socially and psychologically.

-Teevster

 

[Rakehell]

Treat them like a regular human being, in the US atleast. Dress well and be your normal attractive self. You don’t even have to pursue, just be pleasant and treat them as if they’re anybody else.

There have been a couple times where I was left throughly traumatized after being too nice to trans people & gay men, and had to deflect a barrage of not so subtle attempts to get in my pants, my phone number, invites to 1 on 1 activities, etc.