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alexlaguma

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Well, I did not want to say anything because it seemed like you kept repeating that you had some very strong reasons to go indirect and you were very vehmently in favor of not doing "pickup" and doing something social circle related.

But from what I have done, and seen other people in real life do, if its daytime and especially street pickup or anywhere where the girls are moving or generally there is a short window to interact, direct is way better.

And 40 is not that old, I know guys above 45 doing direct stuff. It doesn't have to be crass direct, but starting with a compliment and telling her you wanted to talk to her makes it wayy easier than starting indirect especially with directions or any other sort of excuse.

And in my experience nothing beats direct in terms of growing your general confidence, self esteem and self love.

Agreed. Honestly I can't really understand why anyone would bother going indirect in day game. It just complicates things unnecessarily. You think she doesn't know why you are stopping her? Of course she knows.

Going direct makes me so much more relaxed, there is no pressure on me to think of any lines or any shit like that. I just casually tell them I think they look great and wanted to say hello.

BUT everyone is different so do what works for you. I tested some indirect stuff (like asking for directions) and it was just so inconsistent for me. Direct works way better for me.
 
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bgwh

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Agreed. Honestly I can't really understand why anyone would bother going indirect in day game. It just complicates things unnecessarily. You think she doesn't know why you are stopping her? Of course she knows.

Going direct makes me so much more relaxed, there is no pressure on me to think of any lines or any shit like that. I just casually tell them I think they look great and wanted to say hello.

BUT everyone is different so do what works for you. I tested some indirect stuff (like asking for directions) and it was just so inconsistent for me. Direct works way better for me.
But I'm genuinely promoting and networking. For me direct is not genuine. I genuinely am not attracted just because she's physically attractive from afar. Unless she's a ten I don't even know if she qualifies until she opens her mouth. Girls who are an 8 from afar can end up a 6 from up close.

Perhaps direct is misnomer in this case. I am talking about giving a compliment as the very first words out of your mouth. I genuinely don't think a girl has earned one just by virtue of existing.

Btw, I did direct for over a decade.

In any case I was wondering why people make these claims, and then watch their vids, and none of these claims are met. They're not more likely to open the set or hook.

"You think she doesn't know why you are stopping her? Of course she knows."

In my case because I'm promoting stuff, making contacts and growing a brand. I genuinelly am not stopping her to try and bang her. Even though one of the benefits of making so many contacts is that some will end up attracted to me. I genuinelly however don't think "she's hot I'd love to bang her". I'm genuinelly thinking I'd love to make her my wingwoman, invite her to social stuff and gain social proof. If she starts showing interest, that's a bonus.

 
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alexlaguma

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But I'm genuinely promoting and networking. For me direct is not genuine. I genuinely am not attracted just because she's physically attractive from afar. Unless she's a ten I don't even know if she qualifies until she opens her mouth. Girls who are an 8 from afar can end up a 6 from up close.

Perhaps direct is misnomer in this case. I am talking about giving a compliment as the very first words out of your mouth. I genuinely don't think a girl has earned one just by virtue of existing.

Btw, I did direct for over a decade.

In any case I was wondering why people make these claims, and then watch their vids, and none of these claims are met. They're not more likely to open the set or hook.

"You think she doesn't know why you are stopping her? Of course she knows." In my case because I'm promoting stuff, making contacts and growing a brand. I genuinelly am not stopping her to try and bang her. Even though one of the benefits of making so many contacts is that some will end up attracted to me. I genuinelly however don't think "she's hot I'd love to bang her". I'm genuinelly thinking I'd love to make her my wingwoman, invite her to social stuff and gain social proof. If she starts showing interest, that's a bonus.

Fair enough bro, do what works for you
 

bgwh

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Fair enough bro, do what works for you
No prob, I know nobody is trying to convince me to change my entire lifestyle. I was just pondering out loud. People make all these claims that direct makes more sense in daygame, coz girls are going somewhere bla bla. Then I watched their vids, and I was surprised. They didn't hook or open any more than I do. I'm not seeing this stated advantage.

My guess is that it's about being genuine and having clear intent behind the approach. Perhaps for a lot of guys direct is the first thing that got them to be congruent, have authentic enough demeanor, authoritative enough body language, so they think it's the direct making it happen, when it's actually the nonverbals. And that can come from any clear intent, doesn't have to be "I find her hot, must bang as fast as possible".
 
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@bgwh

I don't think they claim that they hook more doing direct. Hook rate will always be lower doing direct. But the ones that do hook after a direct opener are more "qualified leads" in the sense that they know what this is about because you already told them and they still decided to hang around and have a conversation.

If you went indirect on 10 girls. Maybe you end up having a conversation with 8 or 9 of them because you opened with some excuse or asked their opinion on a neutral topic and they are more than happy to talk to you about that. But that does not mean they are into you in anyway.

If you went direct on 10 girls. Maybe you hooked only 4. But there is a good chance that those 4 are interested in YOU.

So its just a more quicker filter but you are always going to get more blowouts opening direct than indirect. I don't think anyone would dispute that.

But again you should not be looking at any direct guys and comparing anything to them if you are doing this inviting to social stuff.

No direct guy is trying to do that. They are trying to directly bed the girl as quickly as possible. So the direct guy's objectives are completely different from your objectives.
 

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I still seem to have zero AA. I went down to store to grab me some caffeine products because I'm binging hard on getting things done.

I was like lemme see if any hotties around before I enter the store. The confidence I felt inside me was through the roof, like I can do anything, fuck anyone. However, there were zero hotties, like not even one young person. It's early in the morning and people catching buses to work. Went to store, came out, did another circle, zero young people.

Head back home, pass cafe. A cutie barista sitting on a stool in the empty cafe just waiting for work. I thought about it, was like "remember any actions you don't take lower your confidence, so you must do it". But not approaching this one was legitimate. I did once with another barista here, and the male coworker was all weird. I think this "excuse" was legitimate. I don't allow myself any excuses and must open 100%; but I feel this one was legitimate.

Fortunately as I go to open the door to my building, a hottie opens the door and smiles at me. A pure eight with naked flat tummy... Yummy yummy.

- I'm like heeeey, have you ever done xyz.
- She's like "yeah I used to do that". I'm like cool, coz I'm throwing and doing some xyz stuff, you should check it out some time.
- She's like oooh, not sure if I have the time for xyz activities these days.
- I'm like it's ok I'll give you the info, you can check it out, and when you have more time it might be fun

- Then I say "wait, sorry am I holding you and you're in a hurry".
- She's like "yeee I have to catch a bus".
- I'm like oh ok, I start just telling her the name of facebook page, and she's like confused why I'm cutting it short
- So turns out she isn't in that much of a hurry. She didn't want me to eject and leave. This keeps happening. Girls keep trying to hold me in the conversation.

- So when I realize she wanted me to continue and give her all the details, I go "Oh ok, yah I didn't want you to miss your bus because of me... anyway here's all the information bla bla, [we discuss all the details], it's gonna be fun, I think you'll enjoy it, tell some friends",

...and I went home, but she seemed like she wanted this conversation to continue, she was surprised I am cutting it short.
 
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I still seem to have zero AA. I went down to store to grab me some caffeine products because I'm binging hard on getting things done.

I was like lemme see if any hotties around before I enter the store. The confidence I felt inside me was through the roof, like I can do anything, fuck anyone. However, there were zero hotties, like not even one young person. It's early in the morning and people catching buses to work. Went to store, came out, did another circle, zero young people.

Head back home, pass cafe. A cutie barista sitting on a stool in the empty cafe just waiting for work. I thought about it, was like "remember any actions you don't take lower your confidence, so you must do it". But not approaching this one was legitimate. I did once with another barista here, and the male coworker was all weird. I think this "excuse" was legitimate. I don't allow myself any excuses and must open 100%; but I feel this one was legitimate.

Fortunately as I go to open the door to my building, a hottie opens the door and smiles at me. A pure eight with naked flat tummy... Yummy yummy.

- I'm like heeeey, have you ever done xyz.
- She's like "yeah I used to do that". I'm like cool, coz I'm throwing and doing some xyz stuff, you should check it out some time.
- She's like oooh, not sure if I have the time.
- I'm like it's ok I'll give you the info, you can check it out, it might interest you.

- Then I go "sorry am I holding you and you're in a hurry".
- She's like "yeee I have to catch a bus".
- I'm like oh ok, I start saying how to find it online, and she's like confused why I'm cutting it short
- So she isn't in that much of a hurry. She didn't want me to eject and leave. This keeps happening. Girls keep trying to hold me in the conversation.

- So I'm like "Oh ok, yah I didn't want you to miss your bus because of me... anyway here's all the information bla bla, it's gonna be fun, I think you'll enjoy it",

...and I went home, but she seemed like she wanted this conversation to continue, was surprised I cut it short.
Fuck I lack awareness. I could have totally continued the conversation with her walking towards the bus stop, it's right in front of our building. Something like "you're cool, I have just a minute" and walk with her to the bus stop.
 

bgwh

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I saw this discussion on the chat regarding direct and indirect and some guy called gun and his hooks. There's so much value in the chat, I'm going to be following more often:

  • Warped Mindless:
    Woman are in their heads doing other things. Even if you are Mr Hottie many of them are not in romance mode during the day when they are out doing whatever. You have to keep her there long enough to be able to get her into that frame of mind
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    And it doesn’t often take long but you have to do it right
    Today at 3:28 AM
  • @ Train:
    I like Gun's hooks for that, I find they almost always hook, even if they don't stay hooked for long
    Today at 3:28 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    Yeah his hooks are great
    Today at 3:28 AM
  • @ Train:
    Only one time I had a bad reaction to the "You know who you look like" and I think it was because she was a hostess who gets approached a lot on the street in South Beach
    Today at 3:29 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    With direct game you are trying to quickly force her into that frame and even if she would have otherwise likes you, when you quickly force her into trying to take on the “open to romance frame” it’s to much all at once and it’s just easier for her to reject you
    Today at 3:29 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    “Oh he told me I’m cute? He likes me? Wait how do I feel about that?”
    Today at 3:29 AM
  • @ Train:
    Chase recommended using a line to soften the transition so it's not like "Whoa where did this guy come from? And now he's talking about X?"
    Today at 3:30 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    With a more indirect style it’s doesn’t set her mind into overdrive in the same way. She has more time to acclimate and get into the ringer frame of mind
    Today at 3:30 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    When I approach during the day my goal isn’t to get her attracted. Not at first
    Today at 3:31 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    My only goal on the appraoch is to 1) not create a negative knee jerk reaction and 2) make her curious enough to hear what I will say after the opener
    Today at 3:32 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    Then what I say after the opener is designed to make her curious enough to hear the next sentence out of my mouth
    Today at 3:32 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    And after a few sentences she’s hooked. Now I can go to work on transforming her curiosity into desire (attraction)
    Today at 3:33 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    With most guys game they are trying to accomplish to much at once
    Today at 3:33 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    They go direct because they think it will “create attraction”
    Today at 3:33 AM
  • @ truthasker:
    Warped could u give examples of ur opener?
    Today at 3:34 AM
  • @ Train:
    I think also they don't have the patience for indirect, rather do direct like pulling the lever on a slot machine, hahah
    Today at 3:34 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    yeah that too
    Today at 3:34 AM
  • @ Train:
    Like "get rich quick" but for dating "just say this and girls will be all over you eventually"
    Today at 3:35 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    @truthasker ”hey has anyone ever told you that you have interesting energy?” Is one I use when I cnat think of anything else lol
    Today at 3:35 AM
  • @ Warped Mindless:
    “So I probably shouldn’t ask you this…” then pause and allow the intrigue to build then go into whatever situational opener you want. ExMple: “I probably shouldn’t ask you this but… never tried that kind of coffee. Is it good?”

  • truthasker:
    The 52 year old guy who I know does well, he uses "I have to get to work pretty soon, but you seem to have a special aura about you"
  • @ truthasker:
    It seems the guys doing really well all go indirect from what I have seen


Also found some threads discussing Gunwitch and his hooks, definetely interested in trying this stuff:
.

Digging deeper to learn more, if someone has tried this stuff and can point me to articles/threads, please do so, thank you.

Also another observation, since this thread is some guy observing that this indirect stuff must be cringe to the girls since apparently according to him they're thinking "oooh another guy pretending to care about x as an excuse to talk to me".

That hasn't been my experience, in fact the opposite. Girls are like "OMG a guy is talking to me, Is he going to start hitting on me, please hit on me". I haven't see a single girl be like "cmon why didn't you go direct". In fact if anything it's like they want to earn the part where you show interest.
 
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Went out a second time today... and... Just learned from experience about why people give another piece of advice.

I got another chore that forced me to leave the house urgently. I didn't even notice I didn't put pants on. It's my oversized olg gym shorts that I work in. I was like fuck it, I'm not going back up, I don't care what people think. Lemme see if any hotties to approach. So I saw like an 8 (by my taste a 10, skinny rock chick).... So I start walking towards her, but instead of hurrying to make sure we hit the same spot, I was taking too long and she reached it before me.

Then I had to walk from behind to catch up, but couldn't and she turned back like who's following me. Now I see why guys recommend that it's better to run up to her than to risk ending up in this stalker-ish situation.

P.S

Nobody noticed the lack of pants.
 
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So I start walking towards her, but instead of hurrying to make sure we hit the same spot, I was taking too long and she reached it before me
I'm sure you saw me talk about street micro-logistics in my last journal entry... you need to practice that!! :ROFLMAO:
 

bgwh

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I'm sure you saw me talk about street micro-logistics in my last journal entry... you need to practice that!! :ROFLMAO:
Actually yeah, right after this happened I thought of you discussing this :D

Awareness is half the battle.
 

bgwh

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Note: I'm Using this journal not just as a compilation of field reports, but also to takes notes.

Things I want to note to myself, when I get to that point, and conversations last longer, I might try to conciously focus on what Curwen is doing; and then also was considering experimenting with Tyler Dyrden's "self amusement" stuff. Not sure if it applies to daygame, but worth trying.
 

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Went to store to grab something. As ussual no hotties early in morning. As I was leaving store, some semi-hottie was picking up something from the fridge.

- I said all friendly like we know each other "Oh, hey, hi there". She looked at me but didn't respond
- For some reason, I am taking this negatively, even though it makes no sense.

1) I know that when I actually approach they all open, and
2) If I blatantly approached her, she would talk.
3) I also know she probably didn't know if I was addressing her or not. While it wasn't bad, it wasn't like super obvious loud voice projection
4) Even if it were rejection (and 99% it's not), that's part of the game, and I actually commited to gathering a certain number of rejections

So it literally makes no sense to even ponder about this, zero logic. I guess it's an inner-game thing.
 

bgwh

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Winning today :) Feels good.

My situation currently: Doing some big business launch thingie, and I'm basically cramming 16 hours days, only leave the house when I have to get groceries. Working hard to offload some of the work to employees, so I don't have to be stuck to the computer all day and can resume day gaming.

In either case, I had to go shopping today, and had a nice breakthrough

Similar to @Curwen I also have this weird situation where stopping moving sets is effortless and always opens. But avoid stationary sets and other situations. Which is weird, because like he noted, for most people it's the opposite. They get easy and comfortable with stationary sets and moving sets are a challenge.

In any case, I have this growth philosophy where the principle is "You must do the thing that's uncomfortable, not what comes easy"

In my case, aside from stationary sets, one thing I've postponed for years is getting good at hellos. It might sound weird and like going backwards (you can chase down moving sets, hook them, and exchange instas, but you can't do hellos?).

I realize that growth comes from tackling whatever you are uncomfortable with. So I put a rule on myself. I must master hellos before I resume with regular approaches. Learning how to hook from a hello (instead of an opener) will give me the calibration I need to advance. So that was my rule for today, must not open (with openers), only allowed to say hello.

Here's how it went

- Walk out of house, the second I exit, like first 3 seconds leaving building doors, some girl runs past me, obvious hurry, even if I said hello it would have been at her back, don't feel too much like an "excuse" for not saying anything

- Walk a bit further, see some rock chick standing (chubby, but 19, but would definetely not turn down if she were an easy lay). I look at her. and smile at her, she keeps looking at me with deer eyes and open mouth. You know the look. It's ussually a great sign.
- She has headphones. I'm like fuck it, can't do the hello thing. (I know in theory you can, like tell her to remove headphones to just say hello), but anyway, I keep walking.​

- Saw some chick that looks dressed nice, I'm like I hope she's not too old... unfortunately as I come closer more like 45 or so
- Another chick like this as well, I go "too old meh"

I know technically I could practice this on anyone and age might be an excuse, but I'm like too young and too old are off limits for me now. So valid excuses. Go to store, see some chick dressed rocker style, was going to comment on purchasing the same kind of healthfoods. But aside from being a 6, she was like 45.

Winning 1
Walk out of store to go to second store, see some chick all dressed up. Not young (35ish) and not what I usually open, but good enough for this exercise. I say hello, she gets excited and smiles and says a giggly happy hello back.

This might not sound like a big deal to others. But it was a missing peace in my arsenal. It's something I had postponed for years. Felt invicible after it. After exiting the second store, saw a 9 barista in the cafe next to the store (inside). I felt such entitlement, it was crazy, I wanted to walk in and just go "hey, you" in front of all the guests and stuff. Barely didn't do it.

Winning 2

So I go home with all of these heavy bags from all the shopping, and close to home I see some chick (30ish) seated in a mini park to the side. So I'd have to go out of my way to open her. And I'm panting with all the heavy bags. So I stop to rearrange the heavy bags and what I carry how, as I'm looking at her and thinking of saying hi. She notices me (as she's engaged with her phone). I'm thinking she noticed me hovering, and contemplating, it's gonna go bad, doesn't it go bad when chicks notice you hovering, 3second rule and all that? I'm like F**k it! I must do this, it's for my personal growth. So I walk into the mini park, walk by her, look at her, smile, she looks up from her phone and goes "Oh hello".

This might not seem like a huge deal, but for me it is, because it was something I had put off for years. These 2 hellos were worth more in "growth" than pulls, lays or doing a ton of moving sets. The reward is always with what you're not comfortable with. I think I'm going to continue the hellos, and also do something similar with opening stationary sets. The growth isn't with what you're comfortable/good at.
 

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With the descrptions I'm reading here, and with my own recent experiences, I'm starting to think "hello" is the nuclear opener :D Of course one has to do something after that too...

Respect for trying something new, figuring out the missing piece!
 

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*991 left to full freedom (Hack that helped me, more on that later)

So I think I did about 16-19 approaches today, not even sure.

Start of day

Woke up really bad, lethargic, tons of work to cram for business, regretted having to leave the house, but I had to because I was out of groceries. I totally dreaded leaving the house, coz I know I have no AA and I will end up going on an approaching rampage.

But I had to, my diet is pretty strict... So I'm like ok, today I'm limited to only hellos.

- Saw a 40 year old who was all dressed up (as if though she's one of the sex and the city girls)... I looked at her smiling (she was totally across the street)... she looked at me, all confident and shit. I say hello, she doesn't say anything back, but does this confident "I'm samantha from sex and the city" shit.

Then after not finding what I need in some store, continued past it in another direction

- I saw some chick, totally like a 6, a 35 year old six. But there was "something about her". I walk up next to her, and I'm like hey I'm looking for "xyz type of spot" to do "abc activity" with my female friends. She was like "what I don't understand". I then explained, and basically I was doing it just going through the motions. I had no intentions of doing more, meant to go straight back home. But then had to go by another grocery store.

- Saw some chick coming out of it, I said "hey", she sped along. Looked pretty low class (including poor hygiene). Not making excuses, approach was from back, not amazing projection, but still there's a big correlation in how they respond to me.

- Inside the store I saw a really cute petite, while 35-ish, perfect physically, think little spinner with perky boobs. The only type of 35 year old I would gladly take. She was holding some items I eat, I was like heeeeey they sell these here, she was like yeah, and she was really intent on taking my almost by the hand to the aisle, at the moment I got weirded out by it, in retrospect I understand she was happy to be talking to a guy and wanted to prolong the conversation. At the moment I was like "ok ok I can find it thanks", almost like "I don't need to be handheld, i'm a grown man". Funny how RAS works, I totally didn't see it as the sign it was (in the moment), only in retrospect

Then walked through another street to get to the other store.

- Saw a stylish 30 something sitting around talking on the phone or playing with it, or inbetween calls. Not even sure. I was like HELLO PRACTICE time. So walking past here I say oh hellooo.... She looks at me and shyly whispers hello (I think, it was literally a whispter)

Went into store. Shopped some. Went to check out, had a really long conversation with the cashier, she literally didn't want to let me go. I had to literally like eject. I think she would have kept me there all day. (not counting it as an approach, but happy for this conversation, since I'm working on my sociial skills, not doing pickup)

Some hottie walked into the store as I was exiting it, I almost though of going back in just because of her, but that didn't make sense, so I exited the store in the direction she came from, walking slowly. She might be one of those quick shoppers and come back from direction she came. Perfect excuse for "spontaneous" approach....

- Saw a grumpy younger chick walking my direction, I started smiling from afar. As I reached her, I said hello. She made like a disgusted/weirded out face. I'm like "yeeeeee 1 down" (more on that later)

- Continued walking in same direction, saw some super skinny chick, my exact type (except with tatoos), and with eyeglasses. Looked like a porn chick to be honest, or an escort. I asked her the same thing from before, with the spot for activities with my female friends. She said she's new in the area, doesn't know it, but she kept wanting to prolong the conversation. It's like every chick I open just plants themselves, they never want to go. It's weird coz my whole excuse is I'm trying to do "hit & run approaches", but they all stop and give me their full attention... In any case... I was like I have some project where we work with stylish chicks, like how she is. And she was like ohhh no, that's not for me tehehe. I was like it's ok or if you have friends who are... She was like I doubt it. But she keeps planting herself, and looking at me. It's almost like every chick I open with an excuse is like "can you please pick me up instead, I want you to hit on me". So I'm like how long you been since you moved... 4 months since she moved bla bla. I'm like ok well I'm well connected with fun stuff to do, if you want follow me on insta, or if you ever meet someone into activities xyz, feel free to recommend me to them. So I gave her my insta.

Then coming back I went back in the same direction I came from, and this time the chick who reacted rudely to my hello previously (not sure, but I think so, only 50% sure) had an energy like guilt or shame. Almost like she felt guilt for her reaction previously. But maybe I'm making it all up and it's a different chick

- passed some low-class 6, I was like gotta do the hello. She was confused/weirded out, didn't say hi back.

- Then continued into another street, saw a stylish girl, I noticed her noticing me... As we got closer I sad hellooo.. she shyly looked into the ground.

(This last one is one of those girls that had I oppened would have been an easy hooked approach, but I'm practicing my weakpoint, i.e hellos)

- Then I quickly scanned what street has the most chicks, went into the direction of one. Noticed a girl on bike. Only one I didn't say hello to (though of, but didn't). I think it's because she had a weird reaction when I looked at her getting ready to say the hi, and I think I actually recognized her from an adjacent social circle (we've been to the same parties, and I don't like her). Not sure if her, had sunglasses... regardless...

- Then I went back the other direction, standing on the traffic lights for pedestrians, there was some chick on a bike, and she had funny tattoos. I was like "Helooo". And kept looking at her and smiling. She said HELOOO back with a smile. I was like "I bet everyone comments on the tatoos eh". She was like "oh not really", I was like really, I thought it's cliche, everyone comments on tattoos. Then we talked about the meaning of one. I said had a friend who does (the xyz activity portrayed). She was like Oh I actually live in a different country, just visiting. I was like oh yah, you totally have a foreigner vibe, I was actually going to open you in english, you didn't seem like a local, not local vibe.

- Then I continued in the direction of my home. Saw another blonde, tall, classy chick. I'm like "Heloo". This one stopped, I think she thought we know each other, or I'm approaching her. Reacted really charmed. I'm like "Do you know you're the 6th person today with an armsleeve", She kept smiling and being happy, but kind of dissapointed I'm not hitting on her, as basically I had a hit and run strategy, like I continue walking after I say it. I think I finished it with "Yeah, maybe it's armsleeve day, or it's in fashion".

Then I continued i the same direction, and not sure if I did another hello or not... in either case I decided to go back home. Saw a chick with a unique/interesting color combination. And I was like "Totally dig it! Cool style!". I think she got confused, then I noticed she had earphones

*-I'm sure there's 2-3 chicks I'm not remembering, there was a ton
**-I'm counting hellos as approaches since for me this is about growth, and hellos are growing my skills and confidence more than approaches

It says 991 because I only started counting after I did some. So I only did 9 after I started counting down on my countdown list, but I had done 6-7-8-9 approaches before counting. Not everything is on this list, because I don't even remember everything. I basically had zero plans to do approaching today. Just planned to run to store, grab stuff, run back home, praying I don't see any chicks. It sucks not to have any AA.

The 1000 approaches countdown hack

I don't even remember who I got this idea from. Might have been from something Austin Summers or Justin Marc said. But basically the idea is that there's x number of rejections between your life now, and the sex life of your dreams. There's x approaches between where you're at now, and getting to that point where you reach abundance.

- I set the number at a 1000
- I'm counting down from 1000. I see each one down, as one less to go

Think of it almost like those old cartoons where prisoners strike off a line on the wall representing how many weeks to freedom. Kind of like that. So each time I start getting thoughts getting me into making excuses, I'm like fuck no, I want to get one off of my list. I mentally see the next number, and go open (or say hello)
 
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I had to pickup something downstairs, so went another circle around building. Spotted a super-dressed 9. Ran across the street to catch up to her direction. When I caught up, she entered a store. I was like whatever, I'll keep walking slowly in same direction she was going, she might pass me by the time she exits store. I see some six on a bench. I open with an open I always wanted to try, since I'm getting into more varied openers "Let me guess, you majored in philosophy". She was like all confused, mhhh no and didn't know how to respond. But in this case it's normal, since I wasn't making eye contact, projecting. But i'm still proud of myself since these kinds of openers are new and uncharted territory for me. WINNING. Self pat on the back.

This brings today's total to 16-20 approaches

Then I'm like no chicks coming from anywhere, and I see some 9 (at least she looked it from a far) at a street afar, turning to another direction, and I change directions and run to a point, where our trajectories can meet (thanks @Curwen , this is that micro-logistics thing he talked about).

As she was coming towards me, I noticed she's not really a 9, just dressed like one. Body a solid 8 (but dressed to show it off maximally), and a (what seemed at the moment like) a resting bitch face. So I go, no, too much of a bitch.

In retrospect, I think she looked more intimidated and scared, because I had this very masculine energy and presence. But in any case, I decided since these are ones I always make an excuse on, I'm going to "cheat" a bit on my counter with these. I will count doing one of these as 10 regular ones, just so I get it done. I think I'll get that much growth from doing one of these.

Winning: 990 to go

Some of the lessons learned today:


- I think the hellos that respond have in common that I say it from far enough, or the girl is stationary. So my next goal for hellos is SAY IT TWICE AS LOUD. I don't give a fuck if i'm too loud, I'm just testing what happens. And say it from twice as far (don't wait to get closer)

- Still same observation as before. Everything works best with girls who are genuinelly classier/hotter. Whenever I do stuff for practice with girls who are "just for practice" it's more awkward. But again, my goal is to keep going until I am hooking with girls who aren't "omg I have to open her". I learn nothing from those, since those always hook. For me this is about the skill and growth.
 
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Nice work!! I'm inspired by your posts.

I ran over to approach a woman today as I was about to refuel my car. I love that we can share our crazy experiments here!
 

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Just posting an observation today because I have another 16 hour workday coming up, can't FR.

I am already starting to think how I'll be doing things once I'm past the volume stage. When I get more selective and go beyond "do a ton of approaches for practice".

From what I've observed in the 100ish approaches this year...

- It seems the highest return comes from opening chicks in stores. The responses and conversions are about the same or even better than if you opened them at a private house party

- On the street I would only do stunners, i.e girls that make go "WOW I have to talk to that girl".

Between these two, if I always opened these, I think I'd have more abundance of pussy than I could even handle. But it's just me thinking out loud. I'm still in practice mode and have another 990 chicks to open before I switch.
 

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I have an approach addiction, if I'm out, I have to approach any hot chick I see.

Since I have a ton of work, but had to grab groceries, I purposefully went out very early morning when no hot chicks are around. Because last time I went to grab groceries I ended up wasting an hour before coming back to work, because I just had to approach anything hot that moves.

Anyway, this "go out super early so you don't see any hotties" worked, I didn't see anything above a 4. Basically the reason I don't have an AA is that I somehow adopted the principle in my mind that unless I would reject sex with a girl, she must be opened.

But then walking to the last store of my journey, I unfortunately saw some chick which barely passed the fuckability threshold (35ish, might have been a 7 when she was young). I was like fuck, I must open. So I open her. Not from here. So I start talking in english, but her english was very poor. Nothing noteworthy except how funny I found it that I have zero AA. Feels weird to have this much confidence.
 
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