None of the Sexual Gambits work

[Skills]

It's easier to accept the world as it is, but since when do we choose the easier option? The world is messed up in SO MANY ways. Seduction communities aren't perfect either. They're far from it. And I'm shining light on one of the issues.

It's our responsibility to try and make the world a better place.

Is your responsibility to stop trolling and whining.... If you don't like it leave snd join an incel forum they will agree with you...

 

[Renegade]

You’re begging for sympathy on a self improvement forum. If you continue in the same vain, you’ll hear the same from the others eventually…
I just lack patience.

Sympathy should be the default reaction everywhere. I'm not begging for it, I'm trying to make it the norm. Because everyone needs sympathy, it's just that some men who suppressed their emotions seem to think that they need "tough love". But that's just their fear of emotions. We need a way more loving and empathetic world, including in this space.

Self improvement is not the way. The first step is learning one's value. Only then can we move into improving ourselves - but that will be out of inspiration and self-love. Not out of desperation.

 

[Renegade]

Is your responsibility to stop trolling and whining.... If you don't like it leave snd join an incel forum they will agree with you...

I'm not whining, and if anything I wrote triggers you, it's something you should look into. It might be your weak spot and it's valuable to discover these things. I didn't say anything objectively controversial here.

I am simply shining light on some of the ways this community and its approach could be harmful to some guys. It's possible that I am right, and discussions like this one can be valuable for the whole space. That is, if we actually want to improve it and find better ways to live fulfilling lives.

Any feedback on the community should be welcome, not attacked.

 

[Chase]

What I see:

1. Wants to be angry self and is frustrated that women don't find this attractive and accommodate him.
   
   
2. Wants to have men in the pickup community do therapy on him and is frustrated that they won't accommodate him.

Re: the therapy angle, I will quote this 10-year-old post on the topic:

If you need therapy, hire a therapist; I'm not trained as that, and neither is anyone else here, and we all suck at that role and lack the mental fortitude to have to put up with someone who's a black hole of bitterness and defeatism. This place is a place for people interested in self-improvement - it is not a group therapy session

I will also say, @Renegade:

The seduction community is a mishmash of men of all different stripes.

Some of them are dealing with the same stuff you are:

I feel like this community is full of guys (like myself) who weren't loved by their parents, and now they compensate for it by trying to become "better". But we all are good enough already! No need to work on anything.

Many of them are not.

My parents frickin' loved me to pieces and are two of the most awesome people on Earth.

I got into self-improvement playing Daggerfall as a young teen, and discovering you had to practice individual skills to level them.

You mean you could level up at the long-sword skill by practicing with a longsword, the running skill by running, the swimming skill by swimming, and the nymph language skill by hanging around sexy naked nymphs? Why don't I just do that in real life too??? So I did (especially the sexy naked nymphs. Less so the longswords).

Guys who get into PUA to buoy up self-esteem always have a breakdown at some point, when they realize that it isn't REALLY what they wanted. Instead they wanted to find someone who would see them for who they are and tell them "You are enough!" and hug them and love them and appreciate them for that. Usually for whatever reason the low self-esteem guys who learn game never find women who will do that for them from game (I have no idea why. There are lots of women out there like that and you can very easily find them through game, but LSE guys for some reason either just repel these chicks or maybe they reject them themselves and are attracted to women who won't do that for them).

There are communities out there dedicated to men with self-esteem issues where the guys all tell each other they are enough and build each other up and whatnot. It sounds like that is probably what you really need.

Pickup is just going to frustrate you.

I wrote this on self-esteem some time ago, in response to folks in the same camp as you asking about it.

Maybe it will help:

How to Take Your Self-Esteem to the Stratosphere

A little while back, in "How to Find the Woman You Most Want: A 10-Step Process," Vaughn commented as follows: “Hey chase I've been looking around but I couldn't really find an article on self esteem. I have low self esteem and inferiority complex. I always compare myself to others like ALL the...

www.girlschase.com

Best,
Chase

 

[topcat]

Self improvement is not the way.

Yeah, fuck off

 

[KJ Francis]

What you seek:

 

[KJ Francis]

What you seek:

What you think you found:

What you found:

 

[Renegade]

Yeah, fuck off

Again, what's up with the hostile replies? Is this even allowed here? What made you want to write that?

If we're trying to work on our social skills, it would be valuable to break down what happened here. I didn't insult you, so why are you attacking me?

 

[Renegade]

What I see:

1. Wants to be angry self and is frustrated that women don't find this attractive and accommodate him.
   
   
2. Wants to have men in the pickup community do therapy on him and is frustrated that they won't accommodate him.

Re: the therapy angle, I will quote this 10-year-old post on the topic:



I will also say, @Renegade:

The seduction community is a mishmash of men of all different stripes.

Some of them are dealing with the same stuff you are:



Many of them are not.

My parents frickin' loved me to pieces and are two of the most awesome people on Earth.

I got into self-improvement playing Daggerfall as a young teen, and discovering you had to practice individual skills to level them.

You mean you could level up at the long-sword skill by practicing with a longsword, the running skill by running, the swimming skill by swimming, and the nymph language skill by hanging around sexy naked nymphs? Why don't I just do that in real life too??? So I did (especially the sexy naked nymphs. Less so the longswords).

Guys who get into PUA to buoy up self-esteem always have a breakdown at some point, when they realize that it isn't REALLY what they wanted. Instead they wanted to find someone who would see them for who they are and tell them "You are enough!" and hug them and love them and appreciate them for that. Usually for whatever reason the low self-esteem guys who learn game never find women who will do that for them from game (I have no idea why. There are lots of women out there like that and you can very easily find them through game, but LSE guys for some reason either just repel these chicks or maybe they reject them themselves and are attracted to women who won't do that for them).

There are communities out there dedicated to men with self-esteem issues where the guys all tell each other they are enough and build each other up and whatnot. It sounds like that is probably what you really need.

Pickup is just going to frustrate you.

I wrote this on self-esteem some time ago, in response to folks in the same camp as you asking about it.

Maybe it will help:

How to Take Your Self-Esteem to the Stratosphere

A little while back, in "How to Find the Woman You Most Want: A 10-Step Process," Vaughn commented as follows: “Hey chase I've been looking around but I couldn't really find an article on self esteem. I have low self esteem and inferiority complex. I always compare myself to others like ALL the...

www.girlschase.com

Best,
Chase

That was a valuable reply, thank you. I like that you don't get that defensive and are open to listen to my needs too, instead of just seeing your solution as the best for everyone.

I don't agree that a lot of men don't have deeply rooted issues here. There is a reason they weren't socialised enough. And I believe that even people with milder trauma (so 95% of population) would greatly benefit from therapy. When I read people saying "i had a great childhood" on a forum like this, all I hear is delusion and self-blame.

About the low self esteem guys, I believe that everyone wants to feel loved and appreciated. Self esteem comes from knowing you have value. You can't build self-love from scratch - you need that initial experience of being loved.

Men who think they have built their self esteem themselves are dangerous, because they are in deep denial about their true emotions and needs.

But I do have 2 questions:

The communities where men build each other up - that sounds amazing. How are they called? And why aren't you incorporating this approach in your community?

And where do the low self esteem guys find the girls who love them, eventually? Low self esteem guys don't end to frequent any other place, other than daygame - they're too insecure to meet people elsewhere. So where do they eventually meet their partner?

 

[KJ Francis]

Topcat gave you tough love. He even put a heart after his first reply. He told you to fuck off with a laughing emoji in a way that I interpreted as actually laughing outloud at the ridiculousness of your comment that "self improvement is not the way".

There is zero benefit to creating an echo chamber of negativity, where someone says "this sucks" and everyone chimes in to agree without any solution oriented actionable advice. "Self improvement" is the baseline prerequisite here and the foundational aspect of the culture.

There is actually a ton of building each other up here. You will see it in the lay reports celebrating success, as well as in threads with the abysmal failures where guys reply solely to lend a helping hand, but the latter requires the poster to be seeking help (aka self improvement).

 

[Renegade]

Topcat gave you tough love. He even put a heart after his first reply. He told you to fuck off with a laughing emoji in a way that I interpreted as actually laughing outloud at the ridiculousness of your comment that "self improvement is not the way".

There is zero benefit to creating an echo chamber of negativity, where someone says "this sucks" and everyone chimes in to agree without any solution oriented actionable advice. "Self improvement" is the baseline prerequisite here and the foundational aspect of the culture.

There is actually a ton of building each other up here. You will see it in the lay reports celebrating success, as well as in threads with the abysmal failures where guys reply solely to lend a helping hand, but the latter requires the poster to be seeking help (aka self improvement).

In fact, agreeing when omeone says "this sucks" is extremely valuable for that person - as valubale as getting advice. Men have a hard time accepting empathy, because it requires you to be vulnerable.

MANY men find it impossible to be like: yes, my situation sucks. It is bad. I deserve better. And NOT go into any solution seeking mode.

But it's really important to just validate that yes, the situation is bad. It's important not to use self-improvement as means of running away from your current emotions.

We don't always have to be working and solving. We can be just existing, feeling.

 

[KJ Francis]

In fact, agreeing when omeone says "this sucks" is extremely valuable for that person - as valubale as getting advice. Men have a hard time accepting empathy, because it requires you to be vulnerable.

MANY men find it impossible to be like: yes, my situation sucks. It is bad. I deserve better. And NOT go into any solution seeking mode.

But it's really important to just validate that yes, the situation is bad. It's important not to use self-improvement as means of running away from your current emotions.

We don't always have to be working and solving. We can be just existing, feeling.

Sure, so start a journal in the journal subforum. Guys vent in there when they have a hard week, outing, date, etc. Other guys do come in there and give them a hand on the shoulder or a pat on the back and leave it at that.

But posting a thread is for asking for actionable advice, providing tips, etc. Otherwise you are not being fair to the others. Regardless of negativity, it's like turning on the radio while other guys are trying to hunt deer.

You did post a thread asking for help. You got answers. Ditch the negativity with girls because it is proven to hurt seductions. Field test the gambits exactly as taught by masters of the craft.

Are you going to follow that advice? If not, then no, you do not deserve better.

 

[Renegade]

Sure, so start a journal in the journal subforum. Guys vent in there when they have a hard week, outing, date, etc. Other guys do come in there and give them a hand on the shoulder or a pat on the back and leave it at that.

But posting a thread is for asking for actionable advice, providing tips, etc. Otherwise you are not being fair to the others. Regardless of negativity, it's like turning on the radio while other guys are trying to hunt deer.

You did post a thread asking for help. You got answers. Ditch the negativity with girls because it is proven to hurt seductions. Field test the gambits exactly as taught by masters of the craft.

Are you going to follow that advice? If not, then no, you do not deserve better.

Of course I'm going to follow that advice. I would never get better if I didn't calibrate based on what I learnt, and if I blamed someone else for my lack of results.

What triggered me was that people told me to just stop being frustrated when around girls. That's not in alignment with my current values, like authenticity. I want to be real around women. I am extremely frustrated with a lot of things - my life, the world, other people.. and I want to be able to exist in that state. And to see that girls will still find me attractive. Because they will! Some girls will love that I am fed up with my life and need to vent.

So there's no need for me to act like someone else when I talk to women. When I'll feel good and sexual, I'll use the gambits. I made a mistake by using them at the wrong time. But that doesn't mean that I will stop being frustrated - especially since my source of frustration can only go away with years of therapy.

So yes, I'll learn. But I also want to know that I have value to women even as a frustrated man. Because I do.

 

[KJ Francis]

Of course I'm going to follow that advice. I would never get better if I didn't calibrate based on what I learnt, and if I blamed someone else for my lack of results.

What triggered me was that people told me to just stop being frustrated when around girls. That's not in alignment with my current values, like authenticity. I want to be real around women. I am extremely frustrated with a lot of things - my life, the world, other people.. and I want to be able to exist in that state. And to see that girls will still find me attractive. Because they will! Some girls will love that I am fed up with my life and need to vent.

So there's no need for me to act like someone else when I talk to women. When I'll feel good and sexual, I'll use the gambits. I made a mistake by using them at the wrong time. But that doesn't mean that I will stop being frustrated - especially since my source of frustration can only go away with years of therapy.

So yes, I'll learn. But I also want to know that I have value to women even as a frustrated man. Because I do.

Good! But no they were saying don't use angry sex talk.

Your anger in the gambit didn't even make sense. The anger was about how the girls themselves find it hard to find guys who make them feel good. You are not a girl. Why would that make you angry? Do you post on the reddit page femaledatingstrategy because you are so passionate about their plight?

Alek does have a gambit about unfairness relating to girls being judged. But it is inherently positive because he is creating a bubble of nonjudgement by expressing that view and that he is different and on their side in a positive way. Not leading a session of shaking fists at the sky on their behalf.

So you want to be able to air your frustrations regarding your own dating life in the presence of women you are trying to seduce? To be your authentic self? Keep field testing this then... They are not going to like it for various reasons such as negative preselection.

To conclude, Chase linked you a post from ten years ago about us not being therapists. You say therapy is the "only" way. So go get therapy.

 

[WierdDough]

This is a very needy thread, and neediness is the death of seduction. Frustration like this is a natural reaction to overexerting yourself. Feeling like a fake for a longer period of time can lead to that kind of overexertion. Faking usually takes the expression of a positive attitude, but that also means positive expectations. Not having your expectations met for an extended time can truly be frustrating, and that´s where we find you now. On the other side of the pendulum, now expressing what most of us would call a negative attitude. But guess what, a negative attitude also means negative expectations, and from there it compounds.

Take a deep breath of air.

Then decide not to be a needy little bitch anymore.

No more faking, no more frustration.

No more others should x, that´s just neediness.

Jot it down.

 

[Teevster]

Gentlemen,

I must apologize for my absence. I have been very busy lately.

First and foremost, I must state that after reading through all the comments, there is not ONE, NOT A SINGLE ONE I disagree with. That's awesome. And there seems to be no other disagreement between authors. This is something OP should take into account. He is free to act as he please, but my advice is for him to take the advice with an open mind and see how it works.

Anyway, I wish to share my few cents, perhaps even share some insights on how I do things and point out how my style differs to OP's. But before I do so, I must agree with @Skills - even though some techniques have been proven to work by others, it may not always work for one particular person. I accept this and thats a fact of life. And the good news is that there is an arsenal of other techniques out there to play with. If sex talk, despite the advice provided in this thread simply won't work for OP, then so be it. I am way past that point where I feel the need to shove down my game onto people.

However, in many cases, a technique (as a whole, not just a gambit) will fail to work because certain fundamentals are not yet fully in check. I have, since the beginning advocated sex talk for intermediate, ideally higher intermediates, and advanced players. Yes some beginners might pull it off (usually the easier gambits) if they have certain favourable preconditions, but yeah...

In many cases, the best advice is to leave the sex talk aside, manage to get success without it, and then try it again. In most cases, the person will experience more success upon a second try, this time with more experience. Very in-line with @Chase's suggestions.

Now, onto my observations, which do not really contradict any of those already pointed out by others.

I need to transition into the sex talk somehow, so I use anger:

"You know what REALLY frustrated me a while back? I was arguing with a friend about who has it easier, men or women. And he really made me mad because he said women!"

Then I go on to show my prizable traits with more frustrated talk:

Being frustrated, or coming off as frustrated is not equivalent to prizability, in fact, I even think it has the opposite effect. I understand that the OP intends to use "frustration" as a way to transition into sex talk. In theory, it sounds ok, but does it work in practice, or more specifically, does this way (the OP's way) of doing it prove successful?

First let us recap a few things: the whole point of sex talk is to set frames. What frame is he setting here? This is the question. Relatedly, sex talk is all about conveying sexual expertize, sexual prowess, sexual understanding - mostly positive things. What does coming off as frustrated/angry convey? This is a rethorical question. Conveying frustration or angry is not positive and will not result in any positive effect, even if that conveyed frustration was not intended. And surely, the OP both seems frustrated (and angry) and even claim to be so himself. It is very likely that this is what he conveys. It won't work.

Remember that language has an impact on her, psychologically and neurologically. The words you use elicit emotions. Talking about frustration and anger, and negative things, will trigger those exact emotions in women. Some call it hypnosis, other call is neuro-semantics. The point is, emotions are elicited by both verbal content and delivery (think of the obscure term "state projection" or "mental state transfer"), and if you convey negative emotions, you elicit negative emotions. And the response you will get will NOT be favourable.

Being genuine (and true to yourself, and how you feel) is all good and nice - it leads to congruence. But really, if being genuine means conveying negativity, and elicit bad emotions, then do not be shocked about the response you receive. I think one has to be a bit of a social cameleon and try to think of the rules of the social when interacting. Being genuine, if of importane to you, should mostly concern your core values - not the full (and explicit) expression of your inner mental states (that I think you should work on). Some thing can and should remain private.

But let us take a step back. Because I may be a bit guilty for the OP's strategic choices. I have, at times hinted at using negativity as a mean to transition to sex talk- as a "bait".

Heck I even had a gambit called the frustration gambit, where I talk about supposedly negative things such as sexual frustration to not only transition into sex talk, but also convey my message. However, the message is overall positive. I talk about frustration as a way to catch their attention, and then I discuss frustration as a being a two-sided coin:
- Frustrated from not being satisfied and being left wanting more
- Frustrated from being satisfied and left wanting more.

Here is MY transition to the gambit:

Alek: I‘ve noticed something fascinating about women (bait phrase).

Her: Okay? / Oh, really? / What? (depending on how much initial compliance you have).

Alek: Yup. I believe women will never be satisfied (a bit of light provocation; remember, being provocative is immersive).

Her: How so? / Really? / Why do you believe that?

And and now I introduce the gambit.

Alek: I am talking about sexual satisfaction. Women will never get really sexually satisfied.

Her: Okay? / Really? /Why do you think that?

Alek: Well, consider that you meet a guy. He may be good looking, cool, popular, an attractive dude. And you are so looking forward to hooking up with him. He is amazing. But in the heat of the moment, he is either awkward, doing things like, “Oooooh baby, you are so sexy. I can't wait to be the caveman entering your cave… hehehe.” (that's delivered with sarcasm; that humorous part is optional). Or maybe he happens to be a wimp. He’s asking for permission, treating you like a soft vase.

Her: Oh no.

Alek: And then he just sticks his dick in. Ah, not giving a damn about your orgasms and pleasure; that’s not his concern. Well, now he is inside of you, and he screws you so badly, in and out, no passion, no rhythm, no mind-blowing presence. You lay there, receiving it like a sex doll. Then he ejaculates after a minute, maybe two, sadly, or gladly. I will let you be the judge.

Her: God, that’s terrible.

Alek: To make it worse, he gets so happy about himself, telling you it was amazing, and that you guys should do it again soon.

Her: Hahaha, oh god, no!

Alek: Well, you would agree that you would feel rather frustrated in this situation?

Her: Yes!

Alek: Well, I ALSO believe that women will become sexually frustrated if the sex is good! (strong bait)

Her: What? No way! (here you make her admit that she needs and craves good sex!)

Alek: Consider this scenario. You meet an equally hot, cool, sexy guy as the one before. He makes you feel great, and more importantly, he not only makes you feel curious, excited, and adventurous (commands, for you neuro-linguistic programming buffs out there), but he also makes you feel passionate and lustful. He also makes you feel allowed to act upon all these intense emotions he generates in you. So far, so great, right?

Her: Oh, yes!

And here is the final message of the gambit

Alek: His eyes are penetrating (give her some strong eye contact here), his touch is like velvet or silk, and he touches you just the right way (touch her; to make it really smooth, touch her with only a finger, or caress her with your fingertips), leaving you always wanting more (back off the touch now). Then smoothly, he kisses you (you can lean in a little here, but I do not suggest kissing her now, as that will kill the tension). He then backs off, leaving you wanting more. There you are, left in a state of lust, waiting for him to invite you home. He lets you wait, then eventually takes your hand and suggests you leave together.

Her: Smooth!

Alek: And then, at his place, he allows you to settle in. He offers you a nice drink, talks about intriguing topics, and eventually, you get closer to him. He touches you smoothly, yet always leaving you wanting more of his touch. His eye contact is strong, piercing. You have, at this point, escaped the world with him. Soon, your lips meet, and he carries you to bed, undresses you bit by bit, gets you naked. His tongue meets your ears, upper neck, lower neck, upper chest, chest, belly, hips, legs, then up to your lips again. He bites them (you can go on and on, but it’s good to break it and leave her wanting more here).

Her: Oh!

Alek: Long story short, he has sex with you. His energy is masculine, his presence is confident, and you are carried away in the moment. He has the perfect rhythm, and you feel sexy, so sexy that you feel he almost loses control yet can control himself. But eventually, he allows some of this animalistic lust out. And it gets rough and dirty, and you have orgasm after orgasm.

Her: Hot!

Alek: Well, the thing is, women can orgasm multiple times in a row. Therefore, even if they orgasm hard, they will still be left wanting more, especially if it is good! So even if the sex is good, she will want more. So, she will also be frustrated. If the sex is bad, she will be frustrated because it is bad; if it is good, she will be frustrated because she will be left wanting more.

Her: Haha, so true!

Contrast this with your gambit, and your delivery. In my opinion, it is quite different fro mine.

Few things to notice here:
- I may start of with talking about frustration, which is a negative term, but I always do so from a place of excitement and positivity. When I talk about sex with women, I am passionate about it - because I freaking love it. I am engaged, intrigued and captivated by the subject. Compare this to your vibe.
- Even though I start of with discussing frustration, I do NOT drag on to it, nor am I emphasizing the negative aspect. It was an attention grab - a bait, and only that. In your cases, it seems like you succeeded at this with your strategy - you caught their attention - you baited. But instead of using this opening to gradually get into more positive stuff, you kept dragging onto it... and eventually you ended up simply eliciting those negative states. Mentioning the word "frustration" or "anger" won't elicit a negative state (or at least not much), but dragging on about it WILL.
- The contrasting - I quickly contrast the negative with something positive and desirable. The negative, although rather weak (due to being briefly mentioned and never overly emphasized), can serve as a good point of contact to the positive elements that I eventually wish to convey. I am moving toward positivity as the gambit goes on. This contrasting element makes the positive element shine.
- An element of "pacing" - I talk about things they resonate with. I think you are attempting to do the same thing, but are you sure that the frustration, based on your frame, is not just a mere projection of yourself onto them, rather than trying to mirror them/pace teir reality. This is a key question that you must reflect upon.

Also note, that the "sexual frustration gambit" is one of the more advanced ones. It requires good verbal control.

You can see this in other gambits. The sex is unfair gambit is another one. In this one, I would catch women's attention with something negative (but not delivered in a negative tone - never!) - that "sex is unfair" because women get slut-shamed and all that - which they can resonate with (pacing! - they know it is not my frustration talking, but theirs), but more importantly, I always end on a positive not, for instance that it is unfair, and that things shouldn't be this way, but that we can imagine a better world and all that crap. The positivity, or the positive element, does not always have to be explicit - it can also be implicit, like in this case, where they see a man who finally understands their reality.

The reality you projected, however, was not theirs, but your own, filled with frustration and resentement.

This is very in-line with my concept of bait and subversion - where you trigger, or bait a reaction, based on something provocative - at times even negative, and then... you subvert it. That's the hook.

You, my friend, do seem to "bait", but do not seem to subvert anything.

Also, note: this technique of "subverting" requires good verbal control and good delivery, and good calibration.

Maybe, after all, sex talk is not your sticking point here, but rather your choice of transition technique. Good news though: there are other ways to transition into sex talk. Using proxies is the safest and easiest way - and in my opinion one of the best ways to do it.

I need to transition into the sex talk somehow, so I use anger:

"You know what REALLY frustrated me a while back? I was arguing with a friend about who has it easier, men or women. And he really made me mad because he said women!"

Then I go on to show my prizable traits with more frustrated talk:

"Like dude women have it way harder! To find a guy who can stimulate you both physically and mentally, who can make you feel safe yet desired... that's really goddamn difficult! Ugh, I really do hate this!"


Also some women don't know what they like or what they want. As you know, to arouse a guy you touch him in that one place, but to arouse a woman you touch her everywhere else but there. "

Condencending talk right here. You can think these things, but do not expect women to react well to this when expressed overtly.

Also are you talking about their frustration as a wat mean to pace their reality, or are just you talking about your own? Likely the latter.

And women need an experienced guy to show them all of this. It must be terrible looking for such a guy and always being dissapointed, ugh.

Force-framing rarely works, FYI. Exception is, when you already have massive compliance.

Also, not much of a message of hope is being conveyed or any positive resolution being presented here. This is not sex talk, this is rant talk.

Or to use your term for it: "vent talk"

So I vent away, expecting heaps of attraction and arousal.

And as your experience have showed you, it does not seem to work. It never will.

Am I doing soemthing wrong, or are all the gambits just bad?

Both. The gambit presented here is terrible. But it is not my gambit.

Best,
Teevster

 

[Teevster]

You know what I find odd? Everyone I've met makes tea with regular old boiling water. Did you know that different teas brew better with different temperatures? It really brings out the flavor to have it dialed in right. Personally I like to get the best out of high quality teas. I think you are like me. You want to enjoy the best of tea has to offer and take the time to get it right. After all, why waste the tea's potential when you can make a simple tweak for a big payoff?

Do you rinse or not? do you use glasswear, porcelain or do you use clay? Also what's the leaf to water ratio?



I will stop there. But really good way of breaking it down. Made me want to have a tea session with you! same tone should be used with sex talk, but also in general.

"Oh I wonder if he's going to make us tea!"

I will. My best tea-story was inviting this Chinese tourist to my place and made her drink Taiwanese Oolongs. Huuum... sometimes I am a bit saddistic.

She had to admit that it tasted quite nice.

-Teevster

 

[Atlas IV]

Gotta hand it to you @Renegade. You ruffled so many feathers here that even Teevster came back from MIA to straighten you out

 

[James D]

@James D we are NOT having tea tonight. I am not that kind of girl

Doesn't have to be tea

We can put on a movie and chill with some orange juice.

If at some point we feel like having tea, then sure, if not, that's cool too

 

[POB]

I'll leave some quick food for thought for everybody here, including the OP:

A) Picture that you are a very intelligent, fun, good-looking woman who always gets men's attention.
That woman obvioulsly has the pick of the litter.

B) Now take a long hard look at who you are right now.

Now the question:
As that woman, would you date yourself?

The answer to that question is definitely eye-opening.