Seduction = Doing Less, Not More.

[PaulieFlyn10]

Very enlightening conversation in this thread!
Love your inputs and definitely agree with them

@Chase @Skills

And thanks for the book drop Chase, looks like an insightful read

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Seems to be going the opposite direction, if you ask me.

There was much more demand for master seducer instruction during the 2000s and early 2010s when guys were excited about pickup and out practicing.

As skills decline, fewer and fewer people want training in a skill in general, and the skills of a master practitioner become valued less.

Most of the master practitioners of game I have known over the years dropped out of the field because it's just gotten harder to earn a living doing it and they're better off starting companies focused on XYZ other thing unrelated to anything have to do with seducing women.



If you ask me, the level of dialogue on the Internet was much more advanced in the past. You had detailed, lengthy forums on everything, experts all over the place, it was this web of people sharing deep knowledge.

Now most of the forums (not just in seduction, but most places) are dead. People are on Reddit, where the level of discussion is low; Facebook, where the level of discussion is low; Discord, where it's somewhat higher but knowledge is far less accessible.

Blogging has died down quite a bit. People live on social media sites and get their attention highjacked by sensationalist stuff (fear-mongering news, attention grabbing social media posturing, etc.) and don't have the energy for the more thoughtful stuff that used to dominate the web that's not simplistic + sensational.

There'll always be some corner of the web with advanced folks having advanced discussions for most things, I'm sure.

But the web has been following the "Master Switch" trajectory for some time now:

Amazon.com: The Master Switch: The Rise and Fall of Information Empires: 9780307390998: Wu, Tim: Books

Amazon.com: The Master Switch: The Rise and Fall of Information Empires: 9780307390998: Wu, Tim: Books

www.amazon.com

Personally I have a harder and harder time finding expertise in anything I search for online. Web search is dominated by simplified beginner results, because that is what performs best on Google / gets the most clicks / has the most satisfied searchers, and all the niche stuff gets pushed to the bottom.

I don't think most people are frustrated at the lack of advanced methods.

I think most people are frustrated that the beginner methods aren't even simpler.

There is this big push to make things as simplified and bite-sized as possible.

That is the opposite direction from trending toward cultivation of advanced stuff.

The collective ethos of the 2020s Internet so far as I can tell is, "It's too hard! Make it easier!"

Chase

I completely agree with this. That's why this forum is a goldmine. Literally the last major one standing after all these years

So grateful to be here and definitely soaking up as much knowledge as i can. Still consider myself and would love to become a master & advanced like you guys

 

[Skills]

60 is an amazing guy! I have spoken with him so many times. He was basically around during an era where physical game (not the "just escalate bro" BS, but real advanced physical game), and especially the emphasis on sexual tension was becoming very trendy.

There were a few people that were deeply into that whole trend:

- PerfectMoxie
- TheLetter
- 60_Years_of_Challenge
- Kinethi[c]harm (a norwegian physical game legend)
- Sleazy (RIP)

I also personally jumped on the bandwagon - I was deeply into sexual tension and all that. I even came up with the concepts of mutual escalation (which 60 loved) and the concept of "tension level/tension breaks inspired by 60. I do not consider myself on the the key guys, but I did contribute some myself. I was also friend with most if not all the key guys behind this school of seduction - knowing many of them personally.

-Teevster

Teevester i dont know if you can edit as always i fucked up, accidentally i confused pelusita with ijjjji fml, i meant to say pelusita influence 60 in some stuff..... for the ijjjjji fans, ijjjji did directly influence style in some stuff....

 

[Teevster]

Teevester i dont know if you can edit as always i fucked up, accidentally i confused pelusita with ijjjji fml, i meant to say pelusita influence 60 in some stuff..... for the ijjjjji fans, ijjjji did directly influence style in some stuff....

Tell me which comment you want to edit over pm.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

Zan, Lifeguard, A2daMIR, Dimitri, Woodhaven

Big fan of A2damir and Lifeguard. Always quality stuff.

-Teevster

 

[Warped Mindless]

Question for you... it seems like most seducers from that era got bored of seduction and fell of the radar to chase other pursuits.

So why are you guys still in the game?

Well... apart from Chase who makes a living out of this..What keeps the rest of you going.

Does it not get boring for you?

Mass approaching and going for lays every night of the week got old years ago for me.

That said, meeting new women and having sexual adventures will never get old.

I’ll still approach when I’m out and about and I see someone who really stands out to me but my priorities aren’t on getting better or mass approaching.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

holy shiet this brings back memories.

all the way back in 2014 i was working directly with captain jack to learn this style.

what a massive waste of time and money that was.

but CJ is amazing guy and was a net positive on my life overall but his style of game never ever made any sense to me.

i remember he was famous for some strawberry routine and rings on fingers ....holy shiet time flies....cannot believe all that stuff was almost 10 years ago

Hey DeVenci
I am new here, but have read a lot of pickup stuff over the years, including most of Captain Jacks stuff,,books and video courses both. As Sinn mentioned him a fair bit as his mentor in his Dallas days I always wondered about this guy …I tracked his material down, and studied over some months , some was good, re ‘club dynamics ‘ and explanations of Framing in general ..

but when it came to the much touted Sexual Framing specifically and these materials I found them bloated AF with fluff. tbh. Like, a lot of fluff to wade through before the actual examples of what to say.
And not many of those at the end of the course?

Sinn used to call him “the king of the Same Night Lay, “ after some pickup competition in Dallas where CJ pulled almost every nite he went out over 2 weeks or something, like 9 lays he got,


why do u say it was a massive waste of time and money?? What happened?
Did you get to see him in action - any good? Can u tell me the details of you experience with him and his game if u witnessed it in action.
thanks
J

 

[SlayerCJ82]

NOW HERE IS MY POINT, you still need to banter minimally if you want to pull it of during the day, i did not say you have to dhv (which is the anti manifesto), or do cocky funny (which 60 does not advocate) etc... but you still have to minimally banter (that is my point)....

pure 60 is a bit easier to pull on loud environment..... All the dudes that used to do 60 type of style are gone.... One came back last week called scotty from gll, but he to my knowledge bang 1 girl, after 7 years, right now just got back in the field... I think teevester wing pelusita also runs a very physical type of game and 60 took some influence from him, could be wrong...

hi skills
Re banter -
Can you give some examples of what kind of banter you run please. Some phrases or some such to give me an idea and some stuff to use myself
Thanks J (newbie)

 

[SlayerCJ82]

I should clarify I’m a newbie poster but an old experienced guy. Rusty AF and single again trying to get the groove back .. thanks!

 

[SlayerCJ82]

He was a master at meditation and has an insane state control. He always looked entranced in field. His meditations and meditation skills most likely played a role.



Illuminatus! I remember him. He used to go under the username of Corvette! I miss that guy!

Well most "sleazy" material that was actually useful was posted on mASF. His books don't teach you much. For some reason, one day he decided to screw everything he knew, and teach a perverted version of game (looks money status) which ironically never really defined him or his success (he was never rich, mostly unemployed, had a limited social circle, no social value, and although was tall and had an interesting face, was never good looking in the strong sense).

Funnily, he turned into the whole "looks money status" during the time he stopped going out, after entering a long term relationship (that did not turn well, which might explain the changes in him!).



Sleazy's secret was that he was the most patient seducer on the planet. He would wait for the right girls, approach at the right moment, and if it wasn't there, he would create it but he would take the time he need!

People believe Sleazy just went over to girls and just cavemanned them. True his interactions were usually short. But where he spent most of his time, was all the "pre-work" prior to his approach.

He was THE SNIPER.

-Teevster

Hi Teevster !
New poster here but big fan of Sleazys stuff.
read his books ,older postings and Blogs over the many years on and off.
His ‘bathroom stalls’ stories etc were very interesting and eye opening.

Cool to get some additional info of him in action from his wingman IRL

he must surely have been the quickest gunslinger around back in the day !

 

[JollyRoger]

I have tried to learn every possible style you can imagine.

and i have been coached directly by captain jack, RSD tyler, RSD julien, bacchus. gunwitch, alek roland aka costofsucess and several other gurus/experts

after all that by far the most useful method/style i have found is 60 YOC...only thing close is some of chase stuff.

i wish i had found 60 sooner so could get coached by him directly but he seems to be out of the community now

i reccomend his ebooks and also his "Magic Mindsets" video course

He still posts on YouTube.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

He still posts on YouTube.

Can you post a link to his YT pls thanks

 

[JollyRoger]

holy shiet this brings back memories.

all the way back in 2014 i was working directly with captain jack to learn this style.

what a massive waste of time and money that was.

but CJ is amazing guy and was a net positive on my life overall but his style of game never ever made any sense to me.

i remember he was famous for some strawberry routine and rings on fingers ....holy shiet time flies....cannot believe all that stuff was almost 10 years ago

It didn’t work for you?

CJ and 60YOC are THE two guys I learned the most from that actually resulted in real results. ‘I can’t believe this is happening’ results, for me at least.

 

[JollyRoger]

Can you post a link to his YT pls thanks

If you haven’t seen him before he can seem like a cheesy guy. But I vouch for his advice. https://youtube.com/@chris-sixty

 

[SlayerCJ82]

It didn’t work for you?

CJ and 60YOC are THE two guys I learned the most from that actually resulted in real results. ‘I can’t believe this is happening’ results, for me at least.

Did u get coaching from CJ .
I’m particular interested in him and his ‘reputation’ as a SNL master.
Did u see him in the field or get personal coaching ?

or more from his material - if so which specially would u recommend.
I like 60 he did an interview with Rob Judge that had some excellent and ‘real’ stuff in it,
It was on one of RobJudge/BobbyRios video courses.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

If you haven’t seen him before he can seem like a cheesy guy. But I vouch for his advice. https://youtube.com/@chris-sixty

Thanks JR
I’ve read his books and video courses.
Books were good video course was a series of interviews with 2 chicks that looked a bit set up to me .not so good.
I like what he’s saying here re challenge but also I’m a realist in the exent it can work. (Ie there’s Tiers/leagues of base attractiveness it works in)

Agin this circles back to Mystery Method somewhat. This ‘Being a challenge’ Game.

MM/ The Game is still the best primer text imo as it handles both a) a guys Look and b) all the ‘Game ‘strategies (more or less ) which btw are all taken from sales psychology. Which is proven.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

The video I posted above goes back to a core princliple Strauss mentions in The Game - it was a subheading of a chapter of the book actually I think.

it’s something like “ Why Is It I only chase the ones that run away?”
aka “ who is chasing who?”.

I have Chases book but haven’t got round to reading yet I’m sure it’s a collection of stuff I already know or read before but must have a read soon and refresh .

I love Brent Smiths method. He gives out his phone number only, he doesn’t take chicks contact details (the balls!) and only engages with chicks who chase him in his ‘sales funnel’ . Genius.

His text game is super minimal and hilarious. He gives chick one word answers
Chick - “hey sexy Brent what u doing ?”
Brent - “working”

that’s it .. LOL.

but of course be mindful that Brent Smith is a) very Tall
B) looks like a male model / cover of a romance novel ( more or less)
So YMMV with his method.
or OurMMV I should say

 

[SlayerCJ82]

Ummm also just watched the end of the video.. disagree

Challenge Does Not Actually Last Forever tbh.
Raw Physical Attraction does in fact last much longer than Challenge.

 

[SlayerCJ82]

Oh wait I misunderstood his point.
In a relationship , yes gotta keep the challenge. But gotta get IN to the relationship first with attraction tbh.

 

[JollyRoger]

Did u get coaching from CJ .
I’m particular interested in him and his ‘reputation’ as a SNL master.
Did u see him in the field or get personal coaching ?

or more from his material - if so which specially would u recommend.
I like 60 he did an interview with Rob Judge that had some excellent and ‘real’ stuff in it,
It was on one of RobJudge/BobbyRios video courses.

No I only ever read his blog posts, courses and coaching calls. His products were not very polished and he often repackaged old material so you had to sift through things to get an understanding of what he was doing. But then it’s quite simple: be aware of the frames you are creating consciously create your own.

I think the course that packaged it all together was called Mass Sexual Framing but there was a lot of fluff about meditation. Your best bet is to read his FRs and Lars. Just search captain Jack grande adventures and you’ll find a bunch. Also find an internet archive of his blog bethesdducer.com