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ray_zorse

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MATE! What could be more important than getting laid!

Yeah I often felt I was neglecting other VERY important stuff cos I was obsessed with PU yet getting little to no results, its just a phase that you have to go through. The only other alternative is to integrate PU into your day-to-day life, but I feel the results are much slower in coming if you don't go out specifically to game as well as doing it opportunistically.

Your game improved a shitload, just the last interactions described just now prove that! Unfortunately girls want it all though, haha, I had a pretty discouraging time the other night, had some convo that didn't move past smalltalk and eventually jacked it in and went home, just need practice...

Ray
 

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I've had some a little bit of a window to take my mind off of studies. I stumbled upon two very pertinent articles on GC.

The first one (https://www.girlschase.com/content/3-huge-mental-obstacles-picking-women-nightclubs) , really spoke to me in understanding why clubs are so hard for me (the personable guys section of the article). I can't believe that after all this time, I haven't come up with the insight that the club makes women act in certain ways that we can't blame them for. It's interesting that RSD guys like Julien claim that there is absolutely no difference between club and daygame....total nonsense I realize now.

The club principles the article outlines also resonated with me. I realized that despite not having much success in clubs (by the high definition of a lay as success), I by default "want it all" when I'm in a club. Also, the emphasis of coming to grips with "maybe" and cutting girls some slack is also very useful for me. I can't but help feeling defensive and butt-hurt when a girl doesn't reciprocate my advances in a club, but can I really blame her? There are guys who are more dominant who actually enjoy a girl grinding on them (more on that below) for 10 minutes. She can probably sense this from me and doesn't want to partake..

The second article, https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-focus-when-you-meet-girls-clubbing, talks about how we get externally attached to everything happening around us in a club to the point that we lose touch of all the possibility that surrounds us in a club. Also, we get so caught up in the little things that are going on around us that we can't "see the forest".

Yesterday, I went to my first college football game. I went with a friend and we stood in the student section with a bunch of rowdy undergrads. This dude who was hyping up his friends and pacing the aisle struck up a conversation with us and he turned out to be quite personable, smart and charming. Interestingly, I was quite jealous of him because he was being friendly with everyone, touching girls in a non-creepy way who were going down the bleachers (we were at the end of the aisle), welcoming the opposing team's fans to town. Basically, I felt like I would enjoy being the life of the party like that, but it was not the right environment for me because I don't know the football culture, don't know the terminology, barely know the rules, etc.

I actually don't even like the game, but I decided to go because it was the season opener, because it's good to keep an open mind, and also because of Chase's "See the Forest" article, where he recommends going to large venues and soaking up the atmosphere. Anyways, I had fun chatting with this guy, but there was this annoying gnawing feeling that I had missed an opportunity to talk to 2 girls that were behind us. I just missed a chance initially and after that I felt like it would have been awkward to strike up a conversation with them.

Anyways, all the seemingly meaningless revelry around me, the inability to strike up a convo with those girls, my long-distance relationship girl not texting me the entire day (I wanted her to text first but scarcity mentality was kicking in right around then) put me in a bad mood as I left the game.

I still forced myself to go out with the goal of trying to be open (as recommended in one of the above articles). It's interesting I stumbled upon Gem's recent post about partying (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11515). This really resonated with me - I agree with him about daygame and higher quality women.

In my case, since I live in a college town, aside from catching girls in-between classes on the street, I don't have that much opportunity for interaction. Night game IS where people flock to on a regular basis, and so it makes sense for me to try to get good at this and enjoy it as well. Also, I've realized that because of my past non-successes (again, by my unrealistic standards that I recognize ARE fueled by jealousy - ex. when I read RDawg's or Hector's or Ray's escapades), I've actually started to intentionally avoid night game......

Again from the article:
For most personable guys this is intolerable, and subconsciously they automatically react to it by shutting down, rather than doing what they should be doing, which is BOLSTERING themselves up so they can withstand initial skepticism and later follow through with who they are once given the time and space to do so.

Anyways, so I first hit up this rock club. It was dead when I got there but the solo acoustic blues guy playing was EXTREMELY talented and original. I just sat there, lonely as can be, and soaked up the music and the atmosphere. It got a bit more lively when the next act came on (actually a decent amount of ladies), but I couldn't figure out how to strike up a convo in this environment where all eyes are on the band (and it was still not that crowded, so I'd have to actually walk over to the group of girls, etc).

It was midnight and I got out onto the street and actually started to walk home before convincing myself otherwise. The real cause was that my LDR girl finally texted me and I was able to get out of my head and tell myself: "hey dude, what is wrong with you, why are you stressing out. it's all good. you've got your brain, your limbs. you're already here, just go to the club and check it out".

So I turned around and went to the club. Pleasant surprise was that the cover was only $5 (I was expecting $20). Music inside was decent hip-hop (I'm VERY picky about music in clubs) and there were lots of white girls grinding on black guys. I just went with the articles' recommendations of just soaking the atmosphere and being open.

I tried really hard not to judge, but DAMN when you see a rotation of 10 girls grinding on guys without anything else going on, you can't help but wonder. I stood there for some time, really putting on a little bit of a grin and producing positive energy when I liked the music. At other times, I just made sure not to be negative (even-keeled I'd say).

At first I thought, "how can I get to grind on a girl", but I then realized "wait, I'm not even being true to myself. yes, my dick will probably enjoy the sensation of grinding a little bit. but really, this is an ego thing, i want the girl to grind on me so I can feel good about myself for a brief while as I get attention from the girl. but that's not what I want from a bigger picture. I would like to talk to the girl, get to know her, bang her (not necessarily in that order). i don't think this grinding thing is gonna get me there."

So I really only had two interactions in the 1.5 hours I was there. One was this shorty with curly hair in a nice dress. She had been grinding on some guys and then was taking a breather sitting down. I gave her a compliment into her ear while placing my hand on her waist. She was thankful and was bantering. She did tell me she was quite drunk and I told her I could see. A switch kicked off in me because while she was really hot and I felt like I could have taken advantage of her, it just did not seem right. As in, she was not actually there... and while my dick was telling me, "go for this girl man", my brain was saying, "she does not actually know what is happening right now".

Funny thing is :

me: Take care of yourself, OK. You should drink some water. {in a parental tone}

her: I have been.

me: Drink more.

her: Go get me some

me: Only if you come with me

She didn't want to and I didn't persist..

The second interaction was with a black girl who I had eyed way too much before finally opening. I gave her a compliment and asked her name and half-assed a grind with her, which is what I'm sure caused her to say that her boyfriend is around. I got butt-hurt about this in the moment, even though I know she just said that because she was feeling my indecisiveness about just grinding up on her all of a sudden.

About the grinding - I would do it and maybe I should just as an experiment - as in go all out grinding on random girls. I just don't see where it leads. It seems the girls get kicks out of grinding up on guys and getting back to their friends or going onto the next one.

Anyways, not much action yesterday in terms of approaches but lots of thoughts. Congrats for getting to the end of this rant, if someone actually did )

It is nice to share my thoughts. I look forward to getting back into this regularly when I get the time.
 

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Hmm, I wouldn't overthink the grinding side, now it IS possible to just come up to a girl and get physical with her (preselection helps here, as well as spontaneity and being your unfiltered self and being unafraid of rejection and having good nonverbals and blah blah blah), but my standard approach would be to meet her, introduce by name, smile a bit, ask about her night and then say "lets go dance" and pull her in and dance closely with her, that's what I'd describe as a grind. Anyway, I don't really do much nightgame these days for the reasons you described, I'm keen to read those articles once I finish current homework for tomorrow.
Ray
PS. LDR GF not initiating: Same problem. Fucking annoying. I am thinking of making a post about it. I'm hoping that being really strict with limiting my investment, and only rewarding hers (e.g. she initiates, so I chat to her, then initiate a day or twp later as a reward)... consistently, over a long period of time, may turn it around. I am fucking sick of her games (which stem from her insecurity) and my not being in control.
 

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Greetings, GCers.

It's been a while and writing this is actually therapeutic. I've just been lurking on here recently, seeing the amazing progress all you PIMPs have been making. Very inspiring. But mostly, I've been studying my ass off. It's been real tough, but gotta take care of my future.

I'm also in a LDR with the girl I met back in the summer at the place I was working it. She invited me to her company's retreat in her country at the end of September and she is coming here for a week at the end of December.

My approaches have been the same format, just not as frequent. But I really feel like documenting the 3 (yes, just 3!) I did today.

First one was a singles opener. I looked her dead straight in her eyes which felt good. Alas, she flat out told me "No" when I asked her if she's single.

Next, I saw a black girl from behind walking the same direction. She was dressed in a stylish way, which you almost never see on campus. I had to tap her on her shoulder because she was wearing a long hat and was listening to music. She beamed when I gave the compliment, but then I pussied out!

And the same thing happened on my way home. An absolutely gorgeous, tall blonde and I came to the same point on an intersection. I missed the initial window and opened only after both of us crossed. It went something like this:

me: Hey.
blonde: ...
me: I have to say, you look absolutely adorable.
blonde: Why.... thank you. That's very nice of you.
me: And..... you're tall too, which is unusual
blonde: Yes, I'm tall....

I got in my head there thinking I said something awkward, lost my momentum and wished her a good day. I guess I should remember Ray's mantra that the first 3 approaches are testers. Uhh, it felt painful, glad to write about it tho.

Also, I've been spending time on Tinder which I've found to be AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TIME!!!!!!!!!! I followed everything in the book (hired a photographer, picked out photos to cater to specific things women look forl, etc). but it's been utter bollocks. For all the time I've been swiping, I should've been approaching!

I am so swamped with schoolwork (priority), but still but it would be so nice to close a girl from campus before I graduate in 3 weeks. Sounds far-fetched perhaps as I'm out-of-practice..
 

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I hosted a party in honor of graduation and invited my classmates. It was a nice party, people enjoyed themselves and got pretty drunk, too. Save for 2 shots 1.5 months ago and 3 sips of a beer in May, I haven't drank since July 2014, but I decided that we had all worked hard enough and drank with my classmates.

I wasn't intending on going out because I had a final assignment due the next day, but some of my buddies peer-pressured me into going to the local bar with them after my party. It was around midnight when we got there and the action was in full swing.

I've been reading and ruminating on this post (https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10544) by Radeng and a post about push/pull by Ray have realized that it is missing from my game entirely. So I decided to experiment with it. I was pretty licquored up and feeling somewhat bold, so I decided to try some asshole game out.

There were more interactions that I can remember now, but here are some:

[*]Two beautiful girls walking past us. I said hi to one and she kept going so I said

Stop! Come here. I need to ask you something.

authoritatively at the top of my lungs and it worked. Their initial skeptical look turned into one of mild interest and they came around. I stalled just a little bit regarding what to say but there's nothing like a little bit of pressure. I don't exactly remember what I said but it was along the lines of

You girls don't really look like the type who are open-minded. Are you?

They said yes, hinting at a sexual undertone. Asking us whether we were in fact. We chatted for a little bit about how they have had sex with each other and how they've been together on and off. They then turned the tables on me and the friend who I opened with, challenging us that we have not explored with each other. I went along with the joke a little bit, and then they went off elsewhere.

Standing near a booth, a chubbyish girl asks me
girl: Can I ask you a favor?
me: That depends. Tell me what makes you special and then we'll see.
girl: Well, I am a zeta alpha tau (or whatever sorority..heh)
me: (I was laughting to myself) Uhhhhh. You have to do better than that girl
girl: (startled) Uhhhh, {long pause} I love my friends and family
me: Nope, that's not gonna qualify
girl: Well........................
me: What did you want to ask me to do?
girl: Sit in that booth while I get my friends
me: You realize nobody is itching to sit in that booth, you should be ok
girl: Ok, thank you

Later on we were just having fun with some buddies and I opened a girl asking her about one of our friends - he was standing stoically with his big-ass chest out. I asked her if she thought he was sexy, etc. We got into a convo and somehow I got to talking with one of her shorter friends. Another friend was with me and he was being direct in his convo telling her how we graduated, etc, while I was taking the bad cop teasing approach which worked. I teased her about her major, about her car, about her dreams a little bit. She seemed to enjoy it. My friend bowed out and we continued talking and I moved her 3 feet to sit a table. Right after we sat down, I inadvertently turned the conversation from fun teasing banter to real topics, the type that SHOULD be interesting (like studying abroad) but somehow the magic isn't captured in them. She wasn't leaving, but I could feel that it wasn't going anywhere. Also it didn't help myself by being cognizant of the fact that her guy friends were standing up right behind her. I saved myself from her bowing out first by doing it. I probably should have continued with the playful banter when we sat down.

Opened a set of 3 sorority girls with a friends with
Who the fuck are you guys?

This type of approach is a direct response to the fact that I've noticed that genuine compliments to pretty girls don't really work well in bars - as written on gc many times over, it seems to just emotionally validate them and nothing more. So I wanted to experiment with going the other extreme, making the girls prove themselves to me on the spot. Needless to say, in certain situations, the girls think
who is this guy and why should i prove myself to him
in some instances..

These girls got ticked off almost immediately and basically shooed me away.
girl: I have a boyfriend. Do you want his number {as if that question would be more reason for me to walk away}
me: uhhh, sure!
girl 1 to girl 2: Ewwww, that's creepy

My buddy, who was doing his friendly sorority-girl game meanwhile was having a nice convo with the third chick in their group, so I let them be.
Later, I reconnected with him and we hit on these two chicks who were standing outside and hugging each other. Again, I don't remember exactly what I said but it was along the lines of "tell me why you're interesting".

Again, it intrigued them for a little bit, because I just wasn't pandering to them. Don't really remember how that one ended.

By this point, I had noticed that I had talked to many of the girls in the bar and had even pissed some off!
Went home, calling it a pretty successful night, and also realizing that alcohol does make things easier. Darn!

Thinking about the outing, I think I may be shooting a bit too high right out the gates. I hit on all the beautiful bombshells, probably missing the not as beautiful girls who are nevertheless pretty and who I would probably have to game less. So I go in aggressive with these blondes and they think "who is this guy?".

Today opened a chick in the supermarket and realized my desire to use push/pull is forgotten when I encounter a sexy chick:

me: Hi! {she smiled while we were walking past each other}
sexy chick: Hi.
me: Hey, I have to tell you, you look adorable.
sexy chick: Thank you.
me: Did you get the eggs for us to make tomorrow morning, or maybe the day after, I sent you an email about it?
sexy chick: ?????
me: Hmm, you never got the email
sexy chick: No
me: What's your name:
sexy chick: sexy chick
me: I'm snipefield
sexy chick: Very nice to meet you.
me: Well. So what's for dinner?
sexy chick: Probably Panera
me: Lemme ask you a question
sexy chick: ?
me: What are you doing Friday evening
sexy chick: Ohh, I'm going home
me: Oh ok.
sexy: Where's home?

She named her town and I'm actually going there tonight for a few days. Impetuously, I said:
I'm going there tonight, you can be my tour guide.

So instead of making this girl qualify herself just a tad, pushing her away, I basically communicated, "you are sexy and that's good enough, let us hang out". She didn't have any of it.
 

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Started off the night last night going to a performance of a really talented guitarist (maybe one of the best in this town, and that is saying A LOT) at a bar. He's been a session musician on many many records.

I really was there for the music, but did spot some beautiful girls who I would have loved to talk with. However, couldn't think up of a fluid way to strike up a convo, especially since I was sitting at a big table and all the girls were in groups. Of course, I could have just gone in and complimented them and ejected, but what would that do? I was trying to think of a way to incorporate push/pull into this, but didn't come up with anything

I went to a dance party with soul music after this first bar. There were quite a number of skilled dancers (mostly swing) and so I hung back and just observed. The only girl I spoke with her I spotted checking her texts and just drinking by herself. I went over and introduced myself to her. We talked, the convo was mainly platonic - we talked about dancing and how she liked the town, etc. I did keep it a bit mysterious by answering "I'm a spy" when she asked me what I do.

At a certain point, she asked me if I was gonna go and ask somebody to dance. I thought she meant her, so I asked, but she said no, meaning she wanted me to go. I was a bit surprised, and I actually really got quite comfortable.

me: Well, I don't wanna dance. I'm quite comfortable here. If you want me to sit over there {motioning to the next barstool} I can do that.

girl1: No, that's OK

I let the silence and awkwardness linger. To my surprise, she re-initiated the conversation. I found out that she was a hair designer and had also come here alone. We continued talking but on a whim, I told her that I was gonna go around and mingle with people. I extended my hands out for a hug, but she didn't hear / understand me:

me: What, you're not gonna give me a hug?

girl1: What, you've leaving?

me1: Yes, I want to mingle with people.

girl1: OK, well it was very nice to meet you.

I think I messed this one up. I got it into my head that I shouldn't spend too much time with her, since it was still pretty early. It was almost like I was paying her back for telling me to go earlier. Totally unnecessary and counterproductive.

Instead of talking to her, I just sat at the sidelines and stared at the dancers. Total waste. Went to a live music venue where there weren't that many people. I was sitting at the bar and the stools in front were empty. 2 girls and a guy sat down. The girl next to me was pretty good-looking.

me: Hey

girl2: Hi {warm smile}

me: I have a question for you.

girl2: Yes?

me: Do you get humid walking around in those pants?

girls2: Well not tonight, it's chilly

I was practicing push/pulling with this chick and it was fun:
me: You've never been out of the country have you?

girl2: No. I'm scared that I'll be kidnaped.

me: OK, what makes you so special that out of the millions of Americans that travel abroad, you'll be kidnapped?

me: So you work at a hospital, so you're probably too busy and don't cook.

girl2: I cook!

me: OK, what do you cook?

girl2: Everything

me: Really? Everything?

girl2: Yep

me: OK. So what about ........ Kenyan food

girl2: No, why would I know how to make Kenyan food?

me: Don't be a racist!

girl2: I'm not a racist. But how would I know how to make Kenyan food?

me: Well, heard of the internet?

girl2: Ok, yes.

me: Alright, so what are your most favorite dishes to cook?

girl2: I can make bla bla bla

girl2: I knew that you weren't an American

me: How?

girl2: Well, you have blonde hair and blue eyes

me: So do a lot of American guys. I want you to give me some reasons for why you thought that

girl2: I already told you.

me: Haha, no you didn't!

Kept pressing her on this last one, but she didn't explain properly. They came to this joint just to get some food, so left after about 10 minutes or so. Up to this point, I hadn't made a connection with her beyond the playful push/pulling. I didn't really see what would have been the best thing to do here. There was no point in getting number because I was leaving morning of next day. Perhaps I could have invited myself to go with them?
 

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Approached a little bit today. Raqimus' snatch tourney has given me a kick in the rear to get back into approaching. I've noticed though that I put way too much pressure on myself when I'm out approaching and literally counting the approaches as I go. I think that this shows in my body language and the women can sense that I'm just trying to get through.

The purpose of both the tournament and the journey is getting women, not just racking up number of approaches. I have mass-approached before but this strategy has not yielded sufficient results. I would like to tackle this challenge in a more intelligent way now, focusing on exactly what I need to do.

I re-read the Stop Procrastinating article, and I'm not clear with respect to what realistic goals I should set in the short-term. From today's approaches, described below, it seems that one goal could be just having a conversation with women. In the past, I've made things very transactional, as per Chase's advice to get in, get the number and leave while daygaming. Or, maybe I should focus on voice, eye contact, posture... Open to suggestions.

Also, I read Hector's The Genuine Man - The Introspective Man article and it really inspired me. I very rarely step back and look at things from a bird's-eye view - it was refreshing to think about things in this way. However, I don't see from the article what actions I can take to cultivate this habit. One thing that I've noticed missing in my life now is a close relationship with a friend or a mentor. Someone who understands the journey, sees my blindspots and who would tell me the truth. Not quite sure how to go about meeting someone like this in my city.

As regards to today's approaches, there was one where the girl claimed I stopped her with the "I have a rule that I have to say hi to a pretty woman when I see one" opener for the 3rd time in her life! My reaction was that it's virtually impossible - I thought she was confusing me with someone. But then I did remember using this opener on a girl over the summer the second time..... Hehe, was a bit too slow to make a big joke out of this with her.

Another opener I flopped on was coming to a girl who was sitting on a bench eating ice cream. I hesitated and walked all the way around to open her. My voice was weak, posture not good and eye contact way off.
 

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Saturday May 7

Maria
It was around 5 PM and I was sitting on a bench on the subway platform waiting for the train. A sexy obviously Dominicana girl sat next to me, yapping away on her phone at what seemed lightning-speed Spanish. Let's call her Maria. I mustered the courage and said:

me: Hi.
Maria: Hi ?
me: Put the phone down. I would like to talk to you.
Maria: To me? (genuinely surprised)
me: Yes (smiling here, important). Tell her you'll call back later.
Maria: OK (tells her friend bye and puts phone down)

She was quite friendly and had a nice smile and generally good-natured. Apologized for her poor English, although I just had to talk a little slower and she understood and responded just fine. I asked her about her day, about her work, about the Dominican Republic. We kept the conversation going after entering the train and sitting next to each other. I got some incidental touch in.

I pushed for some details about her day. She was coming from work and on the way to meet her sister, and would then call it an early evening. Somewhere midway I told her it would be nice to meet up sometime. She either didn't understand this genuinely, or pretended she didn't (prob. the latter?), so I had to write it into Google translate. She said something about being busy all the time and also having a boyfriend. I gather I was enough to chat on the subway, but didn't pique her interest to see me more than that?

I stayed one extra stop to her her number, which she gave but hasn't responded to my text. With this one, I regret not pushing harder for her to come for a coffee with me downtown. We were coming from one end of the city, I was getting off downtown and she was going further. In the very least I should have tried to get her to get off with me so we could just go for some coffee.

Brett
I was doing some shopping and noticed that there were a bunch of people dressed in a similar fashion doing some pub crawl. Passed by this provocatively-dressed girl who was sitting on a bench, texting. Opened with a direct compliment, she was quite friendly and just a wee bit tipsy. I asked if I could join for a minute. We bantered, talking mainly about music and the pub crawl. It was good that our bodies and faces were close, I had a little desire to kiss her right then, but thought that it would not be good (?).

Her friend came around just as I was getting the number.

Sunday May 8

Did a bunch of approaches today (7). First thing to notice: it's hard for me to do mass-approaching where I hit up a girl every 5 minutes. I've thought about this one for a bit, and it's not that I can't do them. I can open, but it's hard for me to either commit fully to the opener or to make the opener convey the proper energy so that the girl doesn't just feel like a number. The approach where I really think the girl is sexy sometimes just goes right because there's that level of excitement at opening this girl. This genuine excitement carries over to the girl. Although I do find as of late, if I'm honest, that blonde tall girls who are with their friends intimidate me and I don't open them.....

Perhaps this is me just making excuses for all the women who I would actually find attractive who I don't open. Or maybe this is just the way things are for me and I should be content with that.

Cindy
I actually noticed her passing by as I was just chilling on a bench, and remarked to myself how she was a really sexy Asian girl. I typically don't go for Asians, but she had an irresistible allure. Lucky for me, some time later she passed the other way. I caught up to her, and opened with the genuine excitement I mentioned above. Response was good.

At a stoplight with a Starbucks across the street, I invited her to get a coffee right then just for 10 minutes. She agreed - she was actually going to the Starbucks anyways. In the Starbucks, the barista was being slow and it dawned on me to get Cindy to go to a tea shop right nearby, which I enjoy much more. I took her by the hand a bit. It slipped in an awkward fashion, though she did agree and followed.

In the tea shop, we sat next to each other and chatted about normal stuff. Her studies, what she wants to do, where's she's been. She asked me a bit about myself and I gave her the bare minimum, although should have played around with it more. The conversation was just normal and it must not have been even 10 minutes when she said she must be going back to her studies. That was so abrupt that I didn't know how to react and just let her go.

I think interaction required me to be bold. As I'm thinking about this girl, she had such a tight little body with cute perky titties. I could've tried experimenting with sex talk here - just interrupting myself suddenly, telling her I have to tell her something, and whispering that she's very intelligent and sexy and that she's making me horny right now. Worst that could have happened is that she would've walked away....

Did a couple of more approaches between Cindy and the girl I'll write about next. One of them was a pregnant lady in leather-looking pants. I complimented her pants, and she was taken aback. She looked like she was trying to figure out whether I was joking, was weird, very naive or serious. I think I could have pushed this one further, because she was still standing there and was semi-curious. I cold-read that she was tourist. She challenged me by asking why and I gave a vague "It's just the aura" answer, which I think did me in.

Sabrina
Noticed this Indian girl standing at the bus stop. Opened her direct, she was glad to hear the compliment. Chat was nice all the way. I teased her a little bit. She did ask me fairly quickly where I lived, but it was more a screening question, because I wasn't on the correct bus line to get home. She was getting off before me and I had to hurry to get her number. Missed the last digit and haven't heard from her.

Could have pushed for her and I to go on a walk together right then and there. She did mention that she used to party more but now was older than anyone in her building. Also mentioned how her job is not as glamorous as people make it out to be. In brief, she gave signs for being a good candidate for wanting some adventure.

In all, proud for the insta-date today and effort. It just ended so abruptly that I didn't know how to react and didn't even get the number. I will work on expressing my sexuality more to gauge women's reactions..
 

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Approaches to learn from from the weekend:

Uber girl
Got out of the bus just for her and almost got hit by a car crossing the boulevard to catch her before what I thought was her bus (going in opposite direction). To my surprise and joy, she was still there after the bus left. Told her honestly I got out of the bus just cause I saw her. That in and of itself would've been ok, but my fundamentals were off. She was flattered but said, "Well I have to get into my Uber." Slow reaction on my part - should've told her "your Uber can wait".

Girl in beautiful summer dress crossing street
Complimented her in the middle of an intersection of a square. Excellent eye contact which she reciprocated. Should have taken a chance and changed directions and walked until the sidewalk with her and then chatted a bit.

Good hook but no getting past small talk
She passed me on a street that is busy with weekend shoppers. I changed course and caught up with her. Gave her a compliment on her height and looks. She took to it. But then convo stalled. I asked her what she was up to and she said that she got a text from her roommie asking her to come get her in the park. Didn't come up with an intriguing topic to banter about. Become flustered about this and just let her walk on without saying anything..... Basically, didn't want to seem like a creep who was just walking along with her not saying anything. Uhh, this one was frustrating, since she seemed to be open to chatting (although could be misreading, since she was walking a in a particular direction anyways and may have just been going with the flow).
 

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The theme of the weekend was missed opportunities...... unfortunately. Good lessons, though, but didn't push hard enough.

Thai tourist
I was chilling in a square scoping for girls to approach when an Asian chick I didn't find attractive sat next to me. She was rubbing her ankle, so it was an easy situational opener for me. I got a vibe that she was friendly and we got to chatting. The main thing here was that the topics were quite innocuous, since she was traveling. I wasn't particularly interested in her, but we had a decent talk and she wasn't leaving, so I told her to accompany me to a tea shop across the street. She complied. I got some good touch of her shoulders and a little of her hips while we were waiting for my tea. Then, she showed me a landmark that she had spotted earlier nearby. While she was showing it to me, I focused on the one part of her that I did like (which was her hair). I did feel a little urge to just kiss her there, but gave myself the excuse that it would have been awkward........ I'm quite tall and she was a short Asian girl..

Instead I told her in a seductive voice that I have to tell her something, and then gave her a compliment on her hair. She was a bit surprised. My plan was to walk to the river nearby and then extract her home, but alas, she used the excuse that her ankle was hurting as an excuse. Maybe true, maybe not, who knows? I acquiesced and we went back to the same spot we were sitting before (don't move backwards). Shortly thereafter, she left.

Saturday Date 1
Went on a date I had met about a week back. Truth be told, I had approached her spontaneously when I noticed her ass and figure, but her face was meh. Told her 2 hours before the date to leave her heels at home, because we were going for a walk. To this she replied,
If you say so, but I always wear heels for special occasions
. The nice guy in me immediately wanted to reply
Ok, I wouldn't mind seeing you in heels
but then realized the folly in that.

She was wearing a nice summery dress when we met up. She mostly talked and I asked questions, deflecting her questions about me. She actually had unique ambitions, good head on her shoulders. Even though I asked the right questions and generally thought she was quite interesting, I felt like I was going through the motions. Quite soon into the convo, she started saying how she's talking too much and asked me to tell me more about myself. I typically deflected this, telling her to ask me something specific.

After about 40 minutes from meet, we got up - she said she was really thirsty and wanted some tea. She thought we would walk in the direction of cafes, but instead we turned in the direction where we came from (near my house). I told her I know a good tea place. I kept the convo going until we wound up at my place. It was quite an effortless pull home.

I got her some water and then made tea. She asked me to play some guitar. I played a tune, making sure to look in her eyes, because that is something I need to practice while playing. She enjoyed the tune and as I put the guitar away, I decided to just go for the kiss. However, as soon as I put my hands on her shoulders and started to close the distance she shuddered and stood up from the couch, startling even me. This caused me to impetuously react with
hold hold, hold on, relax, it's okay
Her reaction was almost comical.

That's how I knew to step back. We were sitting on the couch but there was a pretty big space between our bodies. As we progressed to talking I made sure to employ incidental touch ocassionally. I still kept the pace where she was doing most of the talking.

Occasionally, when she realized that she was doing most of the talking, she would interrupt and exclaim how she wanted to know more about me and that I was being very secretive. I didn't agree, inviting her to ask me questions. She even asked me if I was bored and if I wanted to sleep.

This kept going until, after employing incidental touch, I decided to go for another kiss. Alas, she refused again, saying it was too soon. What a crock of shit! I then went direct and told her that it's quite natural to touch when -people like each other, etc. She referred to her upbringing, saying she's old-fashioned, etc. I told her point blank that I wasn't that I was the wrong guy for that and that I didn't have time for this. I thought that that would make her want to leave, which I was actually fine with, because I could then get on with my day (do something productive or go meet more chicks). Instead we kept talking until I had to go for another appointment.

I left with her on good terms but was pretty pissed, even though the experience of bringing her home was a positive one. BTW, she was Thai, too, so these 2 Thai chicks left a bad taste in my mouth. Also, this reminded me why I typically don't go for Asian chicks, since I usually don't even find them attractive (btw, there aren't too many filipinas where I am, that's a different category of sensuality, in my opinion).

Saturday Date 2
I had another date lined-up right after the previous one. The girl seemed to me a bit chubbier, with smaller tits and more makeup than I had remembered her from meeting in the bus 1 week ago. She was relatively new in town, and was eager to meet people. We met at a square and then immediately went into a popular Starbucks. This is a crowded one and we went up to the 2nd floor to see if there were seats. There were two comy chairs open, and I decided to tell her to guard them while I got the drinks. Not the best decision, because: 1. I offered to get her coffee (hate that shit because I'm a cheapass and also because of the principle) 2. The line downstairs was long - I was prob. gone for 8 minutes.

The general vibe of the convo was that I'd ask her questions about her life, studies, etc. we'd talk for a while, and then it would die down. I deliberately took Ray's advice and didn't try to fish for questions and put on the bored look when the convo died down. There was a little high coffee table separating our two chairs, so I couldn't get any incidental touch in.

I think the bored look worked, because she would eventually come up with a question to ask. Consciously, to myself, I was feeling pretty bored and also not really that attracted to this girl. Having thought about this some more and reviewed the matrerial, it's my job as a man to steer the conversation to interesting topics or do something engaging. I could have teased her to make the mood more light.

We spent about 30 minutes in the cafe before I told her we should go for a walk. We actually walked to the bus stop and then took the bus (she lives in the same direction as me). When we sat in the bus, I invited her to come check out my guitar music (since that is something I had mentioned before). She agreed.

When we got home, I offerred her water, and again, like the previous chick, she sat with a pretty big space between us. She did ask to see the guitar, which I showed her. But, I didn't want to volunteer to play the music.... rather wanted her to ask, so left it at that. About 10 minutes after we arrived, she feigned that she got a text from a friend who locks herself out of the house. I played dumb as if I believed this story and just let it go. I missed my last 2 chances to make a move when she got up from the couch, and then when she was in the hallway putting on her shoes. Could've pinned her to the wall to make out, but frankly I was offended that she came up with this lame excuse..... not very good emotional control. The good part is that I invited her home relatively quickly.

The takeaway here is that I was not really having fun during the date and so was not in a playful mood. I know I still should have escalated, but really I do want to have game so that the escalation is not entirely unexpected. In this case, it would have come as a complete shocker to her emotionally because there was really nothing in our interaction that suggested seduction or sexuality.

I was really bummed when she left, mainly because I didn't do anything and was beating myself up about it.

Sunday - More Missed Opps
I'm walking home
Called out to a girl while running to catch up with her. She didn't hear me, as she was listening to music. Appreciative of the compliment.

her: I'm actually walking home
me: Oh, ok, well I won't follow you, but just felt compelled to tell you that

Doh! What a nice guy response.

Flattered girl
She was walking in my direction and to my surprise stopped in response to my
Excuse me
opener. I complimented her and she was giddy with flattery, but also shy. Unfortunately, she wasn't as attractive as I had assumed from afar, and so even though I could have pressed for a number, she was in a rush to a party and I let it go.

Silent girl
My compliment was long-winded on this one, and she actually didn't say anything in response, which caused me to feel embarrassed and trail off.

Mari
Ran after her after I saw her luscious ass. Complimented her gait, to which she replied she hadn't heard that before, with gratitude. Positive demeanor, some incidental touch. She told me quickly that was visiting and was going back to her hotel after meeting with some friends. We crossed the street - she said she was taking the train and asked me what I was doing. I told her honestly that I was waiting for the bus.

There was then a brief pause, which I broke by inviting her for coffee.

Mari: I just had some with my my friends. I really need to get back to the hotel, I have an early flight tomorrow

I didn't counter, even though it was only 8 PM ?!?!

Having thought more about this encounter, I realize that drinks would have been an offer more likely to be accepted. I typically don't drink, but this would have been a good situation to rely on that....

Also, I realize that having a place in mind in a particular area does wonders, because then I could be quite decisive and have no issues with leading to the place.

Hypothetical scenario:
me: Mari, live a little! You're on a mini-vacation and it's still quite early. Let's go for a drink and you can leave at any time you want. I will not prevent you from doing that.

The girl I didn't open
Uhh, this one was frustrating, because she was genuinely pretty in an uncommon way. Had sexy style as well, and she looked at me twice in the coffee shop I was in (even though I did check her out first). I pussied out almost as if I was shy BECAUSE she checked me out. This is exactly why I like to open ASAP, to prevent my brain from talking me out of meeting amazing women. Admittedly, it's more difficult in a coffee shop because going direct and loud makes the girl uncomfortable, but I def. could have opened her quite naturally while passing by her.

Want to work on injecting more playfulness, teasing, humor into dates to screen girls and also to have more fun myself. And also being more forceful, but I have a natural tendency to turn it into an aggressive "what you don't want to go with me?" vibe that scares girls. Instead, perhaps on just injecting humor into the method of convincing girls....
 

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Notable approaches to learn from this week:

Showy dancer
Tall mulatto girl really enjoying and dancing alone flamboyantly in a club. All eyes in a 15 foot radius on her. I hovered a bit, standing around and then at a certain point saw an opportunity to open:

me: Hey. I figured that you weren't getting enough attention and needed someone to talk to.
showy dancer: {chuckes} Yes, exactly.
me: So who are you?
SD: I'm a ___________ student

I misinterpreted what she had said initially. I found out she studies music production and then started to ask her about her favorite producer. This is where she lost interest - the opener was cheeky, but right after I basically went into boring question-answer conversation mode.

Thing is, I don't want to be the entertainer guy, and I'm not a good dancer (especially in comparison to chicks like this)....

Her friend came in and they turned their backs towards me and shut me out.

Jokingly jealous friend
Complimented a woman who was walking with her friend. Target said thanks, friend said something along the lines of "where's my compliment?". This caught me off-guard, especially since they were walking.

I replied "Well I'm not obligated to see every woman I see a compliment", which I realize is not a very suave or fun response.

Appreciative girl in dress
Passed her once while she was sitting in a square waiting (for someone or something?). She didn't notice me first time so I circled back and opened. My focus has been on improving my conversation skills, so I shared a little bit more about myself and tried to speak in statements rather than questions. We had a nice chat about her ancestors and good eye contact as well. After about 5 minutes, I went for the date setup but she had a significant other. At the end, she complimented me about the courage to approach.

Irish woman with amazing lips
She was standing by entrance to coffee shop where I was headed. Sunglasses, curly hair. Once I got in the coffee shop and took another glance at her I realized just how sexy she, and especially her lips were. Wow.

Went back out and struck up a convo. She was quite appreciative. Was visiting for a college reunion from Ireland. Leaving next day. I went direct and asked what she was doing later in the day or tomorrow - she said she was leaving tomorrow. I let it go, though wouldn't have hurt to invite her for drink later in the evening.

Girl on phone
Told her to hang up, because I wanted to talk to her. However, voice was not dominant enough, so she rejected.

Cautiously enthusiastic cockblocked by friend
Caught up to a 2 girls and complimented the tall white girl right as we were crossing the street. She took to it. I immediately asked the black friend:
me: Can I speak to your friend for a minute?
black friend: Sure if she wants to.
.......2 seconds pass and then the black friend tries to drag my target away

My target is torn, she doesn't want conflict with her friend, so I let go. Needed to walk with them just a little bit as opposed to expecting them to stop.

Black girls in club
Opened a cute tall black girl. Chatted for a little bit, then I wanted to move her.

me: Let's go dance.
tall black woman: I'm still finishing up my drink.
me: Oh, come on

I basically gave up and changed the subject. Chatted with her friend a little bit, and then they excused themselves to go to the bathroom. Uhh, frustrating.

2 European girls
me: Hi. {pause, smile} Who are you guys?
girl1: We're good, thanks.
me: No, I asked who are you? {louder now}
girl1: Well, who are you?
me: {pause} I'm snipefield. Where are you visiting from? {bla, boring question I know}
girl1: Sweden.
me: Hmm, why did you choose such a boring city to visit?
girl1: I know, why did we, half to me, half to her friend? {said in a sarcastic way}
me: Come on, relax, be normal. I came to talk to you because you looked bored and looked like easy targets.
girl1: Actually, we're not bored, we're having the times of our lives {mock dance}

They got distracted by a waitress and turned their backs towards me. Couldn't rack my brain to keep this going in any way.
Trying to diagnose the sticking points from the interaction with the black girls and these girls.

I want to shoot for a makeout in a club, which shouldn't be that hard, but I'm not having success with it..
 

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1
Compliment on street. Bantered with her about whatever was at the top of my head. We stopped once we got to an intersection and I pulled the trigger. She wiggled out of it:

1: I'm kind of seeing someone. It wouldn't be nice to him?
me: Is it serious?
1: Well, kind of
me: 2 months, must be serious, for someone as cute as you.

Don't know why I went there, instead of ignoring this and just telling her it's just coffee.

2
Barely reacted fast enough when I rounded a corner and saw this chick in a short dress. She was shy about my compliment, but didn't stop walking, and I didn't finagle her to stop and come with me. Slow reaction time. Actually I think the cause is I don't want other people in the mall to see me doing pickup.

3
Amazing sexy ass on a girl walking thru mall playing on her phone. She was distracted by the phone and I didn't get her attention. Still she was on break, and I should have at least asked how much longer she was on the break for.

4
Noticed 2 girls distracted by their phones sitting at a table outside a cafe. Went in and complimented target - she was completely nonreactive which I interpreted as her wanting me to go away.

5
Latina chick with nice ass. Followed her for about a block and a half because she was on her phone. Direct-opened when she got off. She said thank you and then got back to playing with the phone. Next time: "Put the phone away."

6
Short latina chick with long hair. Complimented, she spoke bad English. I made do with excitement and what little Spanish I know. Got her number, but it appears she'll be a flake.

Uhh, it was a tough weekend, and I'm disappointed in myself because I didn't get a make-out. It's true that I missed some approaches and probably some opportunities for pushing things a bit more. However, generally, I have been devoting quite a bit of time to pickup this month and the results, while better than nothing, are not impressive...... There are serious holes in my game. However, I don't have a handle on what they are.... Seems to be a combination of not being relaxed and a bit too in my head, not employing Chase's conversation advice, not pushing the girl harder, not being sexual enough, not touching a lot from the get-go. So there are multiple things I have to work on simultaneously, which makes things a bit challenging.

Maybe I'm close and I just don't feel it? Man, this is tough.
 
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