snipefield's journey

[snipefield]

Ray, you're spot on. It always takes some approaches to get me into the IDGAF vibe.

I wasn't gonna write up today's approaches because these types have become quite generic for me, but there's still something worthwhile in them.

I approached 5 girls today mostly with compliment openers, but didn't react fast enough on any of them. The issue may be that I'm waiting till they get closer so that I can really see their face in order to be genuine with my compliment (as opposed to starting to speak from afar). They stop, but keep carrying on almost immediately.

The first chick in a lovely dress was walking down the stairs at uni. I've trained myself not to tap girls' shoulders when I approach. Now I realize that's too rigid, because it would've been perfect in situation situation. Without it, she got to a dead-end hallway and I had to open vocally from behind without her seeing me. She appreciated the opener, but then quickly stepped off into her class. There were a couple of other ones like that.

For another one, I ran up to a girl who was walking and complimented her. She had a friendly, confident vibe and offerred me some gummy bears, which she was eating (yea, sexual joke territory). She then asked me where I was going, to which I said home, even though I should've said "I was going home, now I'll walk a little bit with you".

....

 

[ray_zorse]

In Sasha's recently released ebook "The Daygame Bible" he has a perspective on street stops, he says get right in front of them so they cannot move past you, it seems to me this will work if you bring the energy. (Today I did this to a cute little Asian girl wearing a t-shirt that says "hug me", I spread my arms wide as she approached but unfortunately she did not get it, as she went around I told her "read your shirt" haha). Anyway, lately I have been doing street stops with an elbow touch and I find this works very well for me, I'll be blocking her path but slightly to the side so I'm not giving all of my body. Takes confidence though.
Ray

 

[snipefield]

Ah man, it pains me a little to write about these, but I hope it'll help. Feels like I'm stagnating a bit, but keep approaching is the mantra, right?

1
She was walking & texting.

me: Hi

1: Oh my god.

me: Sorry {fuck why did I apologize?!} Hey. I thought you were cute and felt compelled to say hi. I'm snipefild

1: I'm 1.

me: Nice to meet you. Are you checking your stocks? {stolen from Mr. Rob}

1: Oh no.

me: What are you up to?

1: Oh, I'm just coming back from class.

me: You speak sign language?

1: Yea, I'm a sign language major {she keeps signing while speaking}

me: Hmm interesting {we get interrupted by her friends}

1: Oh hi Barbie. {Barbie comes on one side between us and the guy Barbie's with comes on the other side, we all shake hands with each other} Yea, I just met snipefield. Barbie, what are you up to?

Barbie: Oh, we're just going to study

1: You mean you're gonna cheat on me?

Barbie: Well I was tired of all the lonely nights, so had to figure something out.

me: You know, they have instruments for that

1: Clever snipefield, clever. Well I gotta go home {she extends hand and I shake}

I just walked off, which was awkward, because Barbie and the guy were going in the same direction and it would've been natural to banter with them a little bit.. Realized 1 set up the sexual innuendos for me, I just didn't capitalize..

2
Britney 1. Gave compliment on dress and she ate it up. I was discouraged because I didn't find her attractive up close.

3
Right after 1st Britney, another Britney about 100 feet away on the same street. Stopped her with compliment. I tried to be up in her face, and it worked a bit, but still she broke the line past me so I had to shift my torso. I wasn't quick on my feet. Did tell her that she shouldn't go to class. She said, I don't wanna, but gotta and started to walk off. I spent time at the gym on and off thinking about her because this girl was actually the physical type that I've envisioned I love the most - curly blonde hair, pretty face, shapely bosom. On the one hand, I was just warming up. On the other, this was a failure in leadership "You need to get a cup of hot chocolate with a cute boy after class".......

4
Right after gym, complimented a girl:

me: Hey. I couldn't resist, that is such a lovely dress.

4: Oh why thank you.

me: It's unusual {unintenional push/pull}

4: ...?....

me: So is there a concert you're performing at tonight. Playing the violin? {we were near the music building}

4: Actually, percussion

me: You're playing percussion? bla-bla-bla

Again, I let her go, because on close up I didn't find her that attractive, but I think this is a lame excuse, because no harm can come from getting a number.

5
I tried this maneuver yesterday and like it. Two girls are walking along. I just completely focus on the tall one and walk straight for her. Look her in the eye and start speaking while we're still 5 feet away

me: Hey, I absolutely had to tell you, you look adorable

5: Oh....... I think you said that to me once at the gym

me: Oh, well nothing has changed.... What's your name?

5: 5

me: Nice to meet you....{she walks off

I came in with higher energy just like Ray suggested, but I realized it went sour because the energy waned off quickly. If I would have kept the energy up, she wouldn't have passed me (I initially was standing a couple of feet away and looking dead in her eyes). Also, this was a perfect opportunity for "Well, I think after two times, it's time that you need to get a cup of hot chocolate with...."

It was cool that I was oblivious to the friend, just noticing a smile out of the corner of my eye. This is also works well when it's a tall girl with friends, because I can just ignore the friends and create this bubble, since I'm also tall..

6
Ran after a girl, but not immediately, which soured up the interaction, because she was about to go into her dorm....

me: Hey cute blonde girl

6: ?

me: I haven't ran after a girl in a while like this. I saw you and thought you were cute and had to say hi.

6: Hi. {she briefly turns around then turns back and starts opening the door}

me: Wait, what's your name?

6: 6.

me: Whatsup 6? {and she was off}

Ooph, I hope that writing about these isn't some kind of mental masturbation with no overarching purpose. It is in a way cathartic for me, but I just hate it when I'm not thinking quickly enough on my feet, makes me question my own wits. Then again, Todd from RSD has said that by giving yourself permission to fail, you're giving yourself permission to succeed. The reverse is true, as well.

Now, I must get back to homework..I actually walked around longer than I should have, but there are just so few people on the streets on Friday late afternoon (semi-commuter school).

Also, I got a phone number from a bubbly girl two days ago. Gave her a kiss when we parted (need to keep working on this, didn't command any of the girls today to kiss me on the cheek). She was receptive initially, so I decided to just confirm our hang-out for Saturday upon the initial text (didn't feel like establishing fake rapport with non-genuine "how's your day" messages). She didn't respond. Need to next her, but doesn't feel good.. Oh well.

 

[ray_zorse]

Had some good advice from Chase, when I posted interaction w a girl I was not that attracted to. He said that's the time to really push hard and take risks "hey...I'm enjoying tour company...what say we cut class and just keep walking, you and me?"... cos what have you got to lose? Conversely with your curly haired big titted blonde, that could be a time toplay a little more conservatively (yeah yeah I know that contradicts advice previously given but everything is nuanced), asking her to cut class is too much investment, on the other hand, you didn't have time to build a real connection which means asking for a date is also pointless since she will 99% likely go cold and flake... so what I would do then is what u suggested, check schedule/logistics for a date the instant she gets free, on the reasoning she'll go cold quickly but not instantly. You can ask where she lives, and when/how she is getting home, which will sound like small talk, also may prompt her to open up about evening plans etc then smoothly propose the coffee or whatever.

Good approaching (the only bad approach is the one you regret not doing). About the energy level, if you are not in a high energy mood try the street stop by touching her elbow to stop her, then keeping your hand there while you look into her eyes and deliver your opener in a low energy, more smouldering manner. I've only really done this for compliment-eject but it is pretty badass and worked every time for me.

Ray

Edit: Forgot to say maybe forget about bubbly chick, if it doesn't feel natural don't do it, you may be over invested and in any case recall Models book advice, if she isn't *excited* to meet u she probably doesn't meet your criteria. Got a similar situation here: Bubbly, got on great, moved her, promised a date which she later hinted at/reminded me of... agreed on time... so I sent her plan... and she replies saying it's a nice plan but she has to change the date, and could she bring a friend... wtf told her to msg me her phone number and I will call later to discuss, no response, so screw her. Oh well.

 

[snipefield]

I finally got a chance to go out yesterday after a break between the end of classes and the beginning of exams. I haven't had much focus in advancing my game, so I decided to do a little challenge: approach the 5 hottest girls in the bar (at least). The rules are such: approach the hottest girl you see immediately. Stay in set until she leaves, tells me to leave, or blatantly excludes me from the group. Essentially, stay in to the point of awkwardness.

Hip Hop Show at Park

I randomly found out that our uni's student organization got together a major hip-hop artist to give a free show in the local park in the evening. I was a bit in my head but finally got out. I opened some girls on my way to the ticket line (1), they blew me out and I didn't react quickly enough.

I found some classmates after about 10 minutes and then noticed a bosomy ginger girl about 5 feet to my right (2). I asked her if she's a natural ginger and got a nice friendly conversation going. I got some touch in and her friend, also a cutie, was even friendlier. We got to talking a bit about poetry because that's how the two of them met, but unfortunately, I couldn't keep the conversation going. The convo died out and a space formed between us and then a song that I like came on, and the momentum went south. They left shortly after that.

I read Mr. Rob's latest journal entry about just holding the girl's hand for as long as possible to gauge her interest level (with a link of infield footage showing this, thanks Mr. Rob!), and I think this would have been appropriate here. Also, this move would have been discrete, since the ginger's friend wouldn't have seen.

To my left, I noticed a blew me out last semester. I prob. remembered it because it was a little bit harsh, because she said "You're too old for me". I didn't know how to re-start the convo with her. I wanted to say something, but the words just didn't come. Then again, she wasn't really nice about the blow-out, so maybe bets to leave things as they are.

I then walked around the field where the show was and ran after this girl who was wearing a fedora (3). She was a bit chubby, but had a decent ass, so I thought why not. She was very receptive. I twirled her, she giggled. Here, again, I reacted slowly. She was going to meet her friends, and I just told her to kiss me. She asked me if I was gonna be here, to which I replied "maybe". I should have persevered and either went along with her, or gotten her number.

The show finished and I started shuffling out of the field. Two chicks were sitting on steps and I opened them 4. My positioning wasn't the best: I was standing right over them and caught a glimpse of surprise/fear in the less cuter one's eyes. They were staring into their phones and I just got bored sitting there next to them.

I got up and started walking towards my house. I really couldn't resist saying hi to 5 because she was tall, which I like very much. I complimented her and introduced myself. She was walking with a group of hippyish friends and one of the guys in their group made a joke about his harem of women. We bantered about this just a little bit. We were at the stoplight and they then kept walking and I trailed back. It felt like a missed opportunity. A couple of blocks down, my girl and her friend say bye to the group and veer off, ostensibly to go home. Hmm, I should have kept talking to my girl....

Bars

Got myself in the right headspace for my mission. Approached as soon as I saw pretty girls.

7
Two-set. Got blown out after compliment. They said they were having a serious conversation (can't help but laugh writing this now, you guys know what I mean).

me: Is it because I'm albino? You're racist!

7: ??? {don't know hot react}

dude friend: I'm pretty sure you're not albino.

7: Yes I am. And your friends are racist

dude friend: You look more like a dirty blonde.

7: You're a dirty blonde, I'm albino

dude friend: I don't know man, we have pretty similar hair

7: Alright man, I was just teasing em

dude friend: I figured

The dude was laid back so it was all good.

8
Large group of sorority/frat types sitting around a table. My target was standing staring at her phone.

me: Hey. I thought you were cute. I came to say hi to you

8: Oh, hi

me: I'm snipefield

8: I'm 8

me: What are you guys celebrating

8: A keg race

bla bla bla

The convo's alright, but she's not committed - I haven't reached hook point with her (something to work on next for sure for me). At a certain point, she taps her friend, who is sitting down as if to get rescued. Her friend turns around and I proactively introduce myself.

me: Hi. {smile} Who the fuck are you?

friend: {taken aback} I'm such and such

That worked quite well. I go back to my girl:

me: Is it true what they say about girls with dainty little piercings in their nose {I couldn't come up with the right word for this - it was a nose stud}

8: What do they say?

me: That they are awful kissers

8: It's true. I don't kiss anybody.

me: Oh yea, I'm like that too. The only thing I kiss is my hamster back home. {I should have maintained physicality here}

8: Ewww.

She walks off. I go onto the next set immediately: a set of 4 friends.

9

me: Hi. I thought you were absolutely adorable and I had to come say hi

9: {giggling a bit} Oh, thank you.

me: I'm snipefield

9: I'm 9

me: Very nice to meet you.

9: So are you a student here?

me: Uhh, yea. Like everyone I suppose. How about you?

9: Yes.

bla bla bla

me: So 9, tell me something about yourself

9: {gets visibly nervous}

me: I'm just kidding. Tell me something that you would be willing to tell a cute boy who you've only known for a couple of minutes {her friend butts in from the right trying to pull my girl, who's to my left}

friend: {to my girl} Come here

me: Why don't you just walk around

friend: But I wanna talk to her

me: That's fine. You'll have to walk around me.

She relents and pulls my girl away from me. I banter with their 3rd friend about something and then spot a tall girl. Before I move onto this, I felt I blew it with this one because she was obviously a bit nervous and just needed me to take the reins. I should have probably just went on about a certain topic to make her feel comfortable.......

10
Opened tall girl and she liked it, but immediately walked away to get drink. I immediately spoke with her friend, asking her to put in a good word for me. Turns out her friend was actually her sister and she said she would, but I didn't want to stick around waiting for this girl.

11
I broke the rule with this one because I didn't open immediately, but still..... I actually formulated this in my head, but it was still somewhat spontaneous cuz it was genuine. She was speaking with some dude who was on her other side, so positioning was wide open for me:

me: Hey. {shoulder tap with a little force so she turns her body to me} I have to ask you, has anybody ever told you you kind of look like an Abercrombie and Fitch model?

11: Oh thank you. {she turns to the guy friend and they start talking about something, I can't hear}

me: {to both of them} Hey that was actually a genuine compliment {not in a butthurt way}

dude: Yea, I was telling her exactly the same thing. She kind of discounted it, but I told her that it's a pretty unique thing to say

11: Yea, that's the most original thing somebody has told me. Thank you.

Unfortunately, again, I didn't keep the momentum going. Could have at least gotten a kiss out of her.

12
I got tired of the bar and went outside. A group of girls were starting to walk away from the bar and there was a girl dressed in a lacey dress with huuuge tits

me: Hey, I had to come say hi to you. You're very cute. I'm snipefield

12: I'm 12. Where are you from snipefield?

me: .......my home state....... And you?

12: Oh, I'm from here. Well I gotta catch up to my friends {convo was short, but energy was there, or so I think}

13
Went into another bar and opened a girl on the staircase with the shoulder tap with some force. This seems to be working very well to get girls to stop. Complimented her and we bantered just a tad, but again, she said she was going to hang with her friends and I lost her.

14
Went into yet another bar. Again, full of hot sorority girls. Saw two absolutely gorgeous ones and didn't even know which one to target - picked the one that was closer (the other disappeared somewhere as if on cue). Complimented her, got her name. Just as she was about to tell me about why she was dressed like a sexy businesswoman, a guy acquaintance interrupted us. She got distracted and dismissed me with a friendlly "Well it was nice to meet you". At this bar, I also noticed 12 from above there, but she was speaking with a guy. Didn't have balls to interrupt their convo.

15
I stepped out of the previous bar and notice 4 girls and one guy shooting the shit in the parking lot. I pussied out at first (violated rule) and passed them, but then realized just how truly beautiful this one chick was. I actually came back 5 steps. I was facing her side so she didn't see me, so I tapped her

me: Hi. I though you were very cute and I just couldn't help myself to say hi to you

15: Oh hi. {this girl had a stunning dress on that showed a little bit of cleavage. Also tiny, barely noticeable blonde hairs on her chest, which I find extremely sexy - indicator of a natural blonde}

me: I'm snipefield

15: I'm 15.

me: Very nice to meet you 15. Where are you guys coming from?

15: Oh, a formal.

me: Hmm, what happened there.

15: Oh, there was a live band, and drinking and dancing

me: Drinking, ha. You seem to not have drunk at all. That's very good. So what kind of band was it

15: Aw, I don't even remember, it was actually a DJ I think

She's not giving me anything to work with, but also seemed intrigued/friendly at first because I came in honest and direct. I keep in the set.

me: So, what is your sorority?

15: ...... random collection of 3 greek letters.......

me: Hmm, you know, I'm not part of this system, so whenever I see or hear the greek letters, I can't help but think of high-level math

15: Yea, there is that. I know what you mean

me: So what do you study here

15: Engineering

me: Woaw, that's hard.

15: Yea, it's OK.

me: Hmm, so how does it feel to be a pretty girl in an engineering program.... I mean i know that the ratio is good for girls, but the guys are prob. awkward. Do you get used to it {I was genuinely interested, but also trying to differentiate myself}

15: Yea, I guess

me: So what kind of engineering?

15: Civil

me: Ah, you're gonna build bridges that break {doesn't make any sense, lol}

15: Yea.

I could tell by her body language she is now trying to get out of the convo.

15: Well it was nice to meet you.

me: You too, but I don't know you yet

15: Well, how could we know each other in 5 minutes

me: Exactly

This was basically my cue to ask for her number, which I failed to do. I don't remember exactly what ensued, but she eventually left after a couple of minutes with the same "it was nice meeting you" line.....

16
I went back to the first bar and met up some friends there. Just choding around with a friend, he asked whether we should approach a couple of girls getting drinks at the bar. I did. My girl was being distracted by a money situation with a friend. Eventually the friend started to lead my girl away

me: Are you taking my future wife away?

friend: Ah, yes, we're together.

me: No, she's mine. Get the fuck out of here!

That scared her a bit initially. I think she didn't know if I was serious or not, but my very subtle smirk did give it away. Anyways, they still left.

17
My buddy directed me to some other girls pretty close to us. I opened a very pretty one. She was quite into it, I was talking close to her ear. Alas, a friend of her swoops in about a minute in, saying that someone came.

The girl says, "I'm so sorry, it's her birthday, I have to go" apologetically.

18
Got outside and walked around aimlessly just for a very little bit. Saw two girls standing in front of a sandwich shop. I ran to them from across the street. One of them saw and and got a bit freaked out. Dead on approach, but I did have the chance to chime in with:

"OK, I guess I'll go back to my fat girlfriend now. So sad"

19

This was the crown jewel of approaches. NOT. But quite amusing. Walking in the direction of home, I notice a girl with a nice ass half a block away from me. I start running after her. I catch up and open:

me: Hey, I just ran half a block after you cause I thought you were cute.

19: {her initial friendly vibe turns sour when she hears I ran after her} Uhh, you shouldn't have told me that {visibly put off/scared}

me: {I smile} Well, I did. I'm snipefield

19: I'm 19.
.........
me: You gonna share your sandwich with me?

19: No....... You know, I'm gonna go solo tonight

me: Oh you mean solo? Like with an instrument? {she didn't get it}

19: I mean I would like to walk by myself.

me: OK, you are free to do that. {I motion for her to go}

She starts walking. I'm walking home, so I walk in the same direction. After about a minute, she turns around:

19: Are you serious?

me: {angry} What the fuck am I supposed to do? You know, I've never had a reaction like this {giving her a confused look}

19: Well do you want me to wait?

I say nothing and walk on.

In all, I had fun and it also didn't take a very long time. Approaching without a delay is very efficient. With almost all of the girls, I was pretty physical right from the get-go - putting my hand on their waist or shoulder or hugging them, etc. I liked how I got more comfortable opening sets with girls and dudes in it. Nothing happened. Also, I had success with creating a bubble with the girls by basically ignoring everyone else around us.

Here are the following questions I'm trying to answer:

1. What to work on in order to keep the girl from going to her friends right after I meet them?
2. Re-opening girls I see again. How to go in if they're speaking with guys...
3. Working on just talking to keep the momentum going
4. Establishing hook point

It feels like I'm getting close to something concrete.

 

[snipefield]

May 30

1
Spanish girl on subway - complimented her way too late, so she didn't take me seriously

Next couple of approaches at computer-related conference I went to. Surprising number of pretty girls there
2
Romanian chick I approached. She was pleasant and seemed very intelligent. Unfortunately, she was short, and I just couldn't be fucked doing the hunching thing so decided to bow out before she excused herself. Missed opportunity for flirting, as she was jokingly equating programming with prostitution ("I just do what they tell me")

3
Still at conference

me: Hey. What's up, I'm snipefield

Ivana: Hi, I'm Ivana.

me: You must be French

Ivana: No, I'm American {that was intended to be a joke, you dummy }

me: ? Yeah, right.

Ivana: {deadpan} Yes, I am American. I have a passport.

me: Well, you can be American, but what does the country field in your passport say?

Gosh, she was way serious..... We talked about safe topics and I excused myself...

4
This chick opened me while we were standing in the snack table line. We flirted a bit and she she asked me if "we can be friends". I invited her to take a walk with me, but she was busy because she was there as a hired gun (event photographer). Texted her a couple of days later to invite her out, but she deflected, saying she's quite busy.

5
Black girl, spoke for a really long time, made a good connection. Got number and cheek-kissed when we parted.

6
Some blonde I forgot but wrote down

7
Tall curly blonde with curls on train. Our eyes locked and I struck up a convo effortlessly. Missed my chance when she was getting off with her friends. Should've gotten out of comfort zone and get her number. Instead I played the fake "non-chalant James Bond" card and let her go. She was my type!

8
Transferred to crowded bus. Just barely passed a girl with an empty seat next to her and then noticed how cute she was. As soon as I started to make a motion that I was gonna sit next to her, she rolled her eyes in a half-joking fashion and said "of course"

me: I just couldn't resist

The convo was pretty meh until I asked her name and she asked mine and then she lit up when she found out where I was from. Had to get off, got her number and cheek-kissed (this one was a beauty!), but no response to icebreaker.

9
Spoke to 2 girls @ a bar with a bunch of pool tables. They were in a jokey, playful mood, but eloped to bathroom after about 5 min. of convo

10
I went to another bar in a basement with a pretty decent DJ set. I was experimenting with the dancefloor game techniques from the recent articles and just decided to rock to the music and fake low effort. There were not many people there anyways, so any showy approaches would've backfired. Approached this tall girl, introduced myself. She showed some signs of interest:

Danielle: are you alone?

me: Yes

Danielle: I like your style

me: I like yours

Anyways, I motioned her to dance, but did so in a half-ass way so that she made the excuse that she wanted to go chill with her friends first. Uhh.

Also, there was an absolutely beautiful tallish blonde in a super-sexy one-piece with a short black friend. I was looking for just the "right" way to approach her. Of course, it never came and I wound up devoting way too much of my mental energy to her.

11
On my walk home, I passed these two girls chilling at an intersection and one of them looked at me funny, so I opened. She told me she did that because "I looked mean". Haha. I chatted and joked with them for a bit - they were waiting for a friend to pick em up. Could've probably invited them somewhere, but bowed out when they told me they're about to be picked up by a friend.

 

[snipefield]

June 4
1
Compliment in early morning on the way to work - didn't react fast enough as she started walking

2
Girl on bus coming from work - waited WAAAAY too long to open, as I had already glanced at her once or twice. When I asked her name, there was a long pause, after which she declared "I don't tell my name to strangers". Haha. We stopped talking and then she re-engaged me, saying how "I like how you........... approached me." Somehow I got her opening up about what she wants to do. But, I was sitting across the aisle and one seat back and it was hard to hear. So after a couple of times asking again, she just got ticked off, said "forget it" and put her headphones on.

3
Girl on pedestrian bridge over highway. She was happy to receive my compliment, but I dropped the ball again with carrying the momentum - basically let her go right after the open.

4
Energized by the previous open, opened a girl who was walking with a friend. Locked eyes on target:

me: Hey. Stop!

4: ?

me: I have a rule. I must say hi to a gorgeous woman if I see one.

4: {beams} Oh, thank you.

me: What's your name?

4: 4.

me: I'm snipefield. I need friends in this new town I moved to.

4: {she's passed me more now} I just moved here too.

me: Let's be friends.

... But she was already a bit away when I said this and didn't take me seriously....

In this instance, I think I should abandon all illusions of trying to be smooth (kind of contradicts the fundamentals I'm currently working on, as per Radeng's suggestion) and just really express my genuine interest in her. In this case, I could've just ran after her a bit and re-iterated my interest..

5

Energized by 4, noticed 2 girls in a bar on the same street. Passed them just barely before I realized that I should open. Went in there like a man on a mission and totally caught them off guard. I actually opened the less cute one (just because I noticed her first). She was acting nervous, so I said:

me: You look nervous. Don't be nervous.

5: I'm not nervous.

me: Now you're making me nervous. {to friend} Is she nervous?

friend: She looks OK to me

The bouncer comes up and asks me for id. I chat mostly with the friend platonically - couldn't think of any clever shit to say. Not sure what's good to do in these situations when there's no rapport built yet and the friends are talking..

5 points for today and 1 point on June 2 - opened a chick while waiting at the bus stop in the morning. Unfortunately, again, she boarded bus before I had a chance to grab digits.
Thanks Snatch Tourney for getting me out and talking to the honies!

 

[snipefield]

June 5
1
Compliment eject on way to work, didn't react quickly enough as she kept walking

2
Curly blonde in hoodie and sunglasses walking a bike up a pedestrian bridge. Opened with "You look like you're trying to go incognito." Should have made her take off hood and pushed for number.

3
While waiting for bus, stopped girl crossing the street with compliment. Fizzled out fairly quickly with my unsuccessful attempt at playful vibe "Don't go to work. It's not gonna be a good day!" "But I have to"

4
I've recently acknowledged that I have silly rules that prevent me from meeting women. Specifically, I will typically not approach black, Asian or Indian girls because one reason or another. So the snatch tournament has made me get out of my comfort zone.

Opened an Indian girl on bus seat in front of me with a compliment. She seemed very shy and I didn't know how to advance further.

5
On way home from work, opened a very cute bright-red dyed hair girl getting something out of her car with a compliment. She gave a "heard that a thousand times" polite response and went on her way. Could have been more dominant.

6
Met her on the pedestrian bridge over highway. She was carrying garbage bags filled with gifts? Stopped her, chatted briefly, said following:

me: Hey. Do me a favor. I just moved to this town. Put your phone number in and I'll take you out sometime.

Worked, and got a cheek-kiss, too - although no response to text ice-breaker.

7
Didn't react quickly enough as two cute girls walked past my house (I was on stoop chatting with roommate). I had to go to store, so trailed them, but got way too close and in my head to be dominant and loud like I had initially wanted to. Eventually opened, but it was awkward, even though my target was giving me something to work with.

8
Complimented Spanish chick at crosswalk. She started crossing as light turned green, I told her to hold on a sec but she wouldn't budge. Realized need to show more persistence by running along with her..

Snatch Tournament tally:
10 points this post + 6 from before = 16 points

 

[snipefield]

1 approach today and 1 Tinder date with girl who I didn't find attractive from pictures but decided to go to see how it'd be and to practice fundamentals and conversational skills. She was actually a cool person, but it doesn't work without attraction...... Eye contact still not as piercing as I would have liked (looking away as I was thinking of answers to her questions, etc).

 

[snipefield]

1 number yesterday off a cute Brazilian chick in the bus. Alas, she didn't text back to my icebreaker.

3 approaches today. One good one in the supermarket on a sexy chick. My eye contact was off, and there was a bit too long of a pause and I wasn't playful enough.

Second approach, girl was with her friend in the grocery aisle and even eyed me, but I ignored it until we were next to each other. I complimented her and asked what was for dinner. She replied matter-of-factly and kept on going. Not dominant enough again. Need to keep focusing on eye contact to the point of being uncomfortable.

Third approach to girl on street. Again, same thing - reaction too slow. Not proud of these approaches, but better than nothing.

 

[snipefield]

June 11
5 approaches, with 1 being a married lady who wanted to take my number to giver to her friends. It seemed a bit ridiculous to me, but I went with her frame.

Also approached a girl with a dog (I'm usually fearful of these for no good reason), but she was walking ahead of me, so I kind of half-assed it.

June 12
4 approaches at the bus station, nothing special except not persevering with a bubbly short blonde who appreciated my compliment. She was standing in line for McDonald's and her turn was coming up.

1 approach on the subway platform. This short chick with no bra was reading Stephen King next to me. I started a convo. Her train came first while I was going in the other direction. She actually stood up and asked me which train I was waiting for. Major window of opportunity. My train actually started to come to. I went to her side and told her to give me a kiss. Probably could have gone for a makeout.

Tall model type entered the train with me and grabbed a seat. A seat next to her freed up in a couple of stops and I sat down and complimented her. She actually ignored me! It was funny.

June 14
Compliment-eject at supermarket, hipstery girl on the street who said "You are really tall" in response to my "you are cute" opener. Then another girl with who I walked a little bit - it freaked her out, so I let go, but should do this more often.

June 16
1
Complimented Spanish chick at bus stop, but she wouldn't take headphones out

2
Girl sat next to me on bus. This was near my bus stop and I made the decision to get off - she waved goodbye when I was leaving... shucks

3
Compliment-eject to girl walking ahead of me wearing leather jacket..

4
Hot girl waiting to cross street. I just stood at my end of intersection with hands crossed until she did and then pushed hard for a number after my compliment..

her: I have a boyfriend

me: It's okay. I'm gay ..... ish

her: Oh yea, I used to have a bf who was gayish

Anyways, no go, but she appreciated it. Also, good to practice eye contact, as that's what I'm focusing on.

5
Yelled out to these girls walking away from me

me: Hey you! Blonde girl with blue top!

{turns around}

me: Hi!

her: Hi?! {smile}

me: I saw you and thought you were adorable and had to come say hi. {eye contact, extend hand}

snipefield

her: Natalie

me: You guys are going in there?

her: Yes

me: {whip out phone} OK, give me your contact details and we'll meet up

her: {intense eye contact} I can't

me: OK, let's see if I never heard this one before {I hug her}

Anyways, she had bf who she "loved" but we had good eye contact and she was really appreciative of my approach. Gave her a cheek kiss

6
Startled this girl who was listening to music on the street. She said "I have to go"

7
Opened a girl right after that and she said she saw me hitting on the previous one. And?

 

[ray_zorse]

her: I have a boyfriend

me: It's okay. I'm gay ..... ish

I'm dying here, this is hilarious.

Blonde girl with blue top: Dominant as fuck, nice one. I remember something about your trip to, uhh, Montreal? Grabbing some chick in the street and proceeding to make out with her? Based on this current interaction it looks like this will soon become a regular part of your game, hehehe.

I'm really noticing an improvement in the quality of your interactions, it seems like you're more confident than 3~6mth ago, do you agree? Coming out with faster, more witty responses, being less predictable, hooking more?

Thanks for the kind words in my journal. It helps.

Ray

 

[snipefield]

Ray,

Full disclosure - I shamelessly stole the gayish line from Todd from RSD...

It's hard for me to gauge improvement, but I trust the process and am focusing on fundamentals, kaizen style. Thanks for the feedback!

 

[snipefield]

June 18
Did 3 approaches, but didn't log em and forgot how they went.

June 19
1. Brazilian girl on bus - too many pauses in convo, but she was thankful. I'm still glad I did this, cuz it was a crowded bus. I've wanted to practice vocal dynamics and go overboard with it (like one of those crazy people on the bus who screams when they talk and freaks all the passengers out), as Radeng suggested.

2. Girl on bus on the way back home. She had a stunning dress on and looked like she was going on a date. I basically did compliment-eject as my stop was coming up, could have taken further. But the brief interaction was still good cuz I walked a bit ahead of where she was sitting, turned around, said "Hey there", then paused while looking in her eyes. This is what I've been focusing on lately. Then I complimented her, though volume was a little bit low. She said "thank you" to my compliment, to which I issued a boring "You're welcome". I realized that this you're welcome is quite beta. Better would be to just look in her eyes again for 3 seconds and then walk off without saying anything.

3. Girl entering licqour store - didn't push hard enough, she gave a lame excuse of "I'm going in there"

4. Chick crossing street - couldn't get her to stop.

5. Younger girl with friend eating ice cream. I opened too late and she was afraid at first before I gave the compliment in a friendly and genuine way.

I met up with Raqimus, who's also doing the snatch tourney. Fun times

6. 4-set in bar - my girl of interest was sitting and facing away from me, didn't know hot to isolate.

7. Girl with balloons on head. Gave her hug and picked her up.

8. Cheerful redhead standing under streetlight waiting for friends. Gave her compliment, teased her a little bit by asking her if she's from Zimbabwe. She said she had never been approached like this before said she was flattered. I just gave her phone and looked in her eyes, waiting for her to put # in. She started to do it, but then said "Wait, what am I doing? What am I giving you my number for? This never happens." I told her to relax and that we were just gonna go for a coffee and hang out. I did this because my intuition was telling me that there was a bit of an attainability issue because she vocalized that she was flattered.. So I decided to go for day-2 instead of offering to get together later that day. Got number, she responded to icebreaker.

9. Slightly drunk bosomy girl with friend. They stopped and were pretty cheerful but also claimed they were lipstick lesbians. Odd that they were lingering there, despite saying they have to go. It definitely felt like a window of opportunity, Raqimus felt the same..

10. 2 British girls - forgot exactly how it went down

11. Candy + Stacy - playful at first, but they were on way to club and just kind of pretended they didn't know me as they were skipping the line to talk to the bouncer, who let them in.

12. Tall chick waiting in line for club. I told her I seldom see girls as tall as her and bla bla. "I have a boyfriend"

13. Olivia and Ash - streetstop, trailed off quikly

14. Girl on corner by streetlight.

me: "Who are you?"
her: "Nobody important"

15. Girl in white dress

16. Harsh rejection from girl in pub "Leave me alone, just wanna dance"

17. Tall girl exiting bar. Proud of this one cuz she was with a guy - gotta keep trying these. Probably should have approached in the club, but she was dancing..

Raqimus got a couple of kisses and numbers. I didn't write about it here cuz it was his opener, but we almost got two girls to my place - couldn't convince them to go into the Uber with us. Shit blew up.

 

[snipefield]

Went on a date with a girl I met a couple of weeks ago. We had a pretty long and interesting chat when I first met her and she seemed like a sweet innocent girl. This was an interesting example of how my relative inexperience sets defined expectations that don't match reailty.

First, while scheduling the date, she texted me something like "I have to leave by 6 to attend my boyfriend's sister's birthday party", which I found strange. Even would like to say I ignored this, but it was on my mind. I thought we would just hang out for 30-40 minutes and then she'd leave.

Instead, we started at the tea place. Here is where I made my first blunder - simply didn't push the boundary with holding her hand. I did practice good eye contact, but it felt like that could only go so much (strong eye contact gets uncomfortable for the girl after a while). I moved her after about 35 minutes, then moved her again, then again (all different places outside). We got into a nice push pull teasing each other/arguing about a local landmark. I could feel the tension, but really, I couldn't tell whether it was sexual or not.

She showed another side of herself, much more fiesty and cocky. I have a feeling she basically just wanted me to capitalize on. What's silly is that I don't even know how I feel about this girl. I wanted to push the boundaries and do something, but at the same time I felt like, hmm, this isn't even feeling right, aside from her lips and her bosom, am I really attracted to her? The convo isn't anything outstanding, she's not curious about me.... I think I'd be much more interested in her if she was showing some signs of interest. We read on here that if she's there, she's interested, but can someone reaffirm that again to me. I feel like this was a very educational date. I probably just missed a ton of opportunities, which sucks, but hopefully should be a good lesson for me. I did touch her incidentally (butt shoulders, outer thigh, etc), but nothing proloned and didn't keep pushing it.

At the end of the date, she said "thank you" and "text me", I said "OK". Next or should I experiment with this one?

BTW, I met her mid-May, does date count as part of June snatch tourney?

 

[ray_zorse]

I think you did better than you thought, if you weren't really feeling it then it was best to be a bit aloof and see what happens, give her space to chase (or show an interest) and don't reward her if she doesn't. Based on her past dating experience she probably just expected you to do all the work, it doesn't mean she's not into you, it's just an entitled mentality. Whether and how much I'd play that game depends on how much I like her generally, but usually it's the lower value chicks that act that way, so decision is easy

Here though, situation is a bit different, I can't speak from experience but my understanding is that cocky/feisty equals horny, and so your instincts that she looked for strong leadership were correct I'd say. Chase has a good article called "skipping steps" in which he says if the purpose of a stage in the seduction has already been accomplished, don't do that stage. So if she's already horny for you -- skip the connection building altogether and just move fast. Yes, it's out of your comfort zone, cos your brain has not yet caught up with the fact you're a high value man and girls get super wet for you (just because you approached them and so on).

About the connection building, you did better than you think.
Let me explain from recent experience. I went on two dates recently with really high value women, at least that was my perception. Both were somewhat older (27 and 30 IIRC) and had some life experience, accomplished etc. But, and this is my point, quite ardent conversationalists, they disarmed me totally and showed a lot of interest and went quite deep into matters I try not to bring up. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for me, I was having a wonderful time feeling interesting and special and that I had experiences worth sharing, in each case I felt totally connected to her (as Chase reports), but although I politely turned things back on her I did not really go deep, and as a result went away knowing little of her passions. So I'd bet she doesn't feel super connected to me after the date. Now turn this around: For you it was basically another boring deep-dive routine leaving you thinking "yeah, this chick is meh". For her it was an amazing, special experience of being interested, wanted, needed and desirable. Chase put this well in his ebook: "We talked for 45 minutes, mainly about situations with her and her friends, colleagues etc. She volunteered a lot of information about herself. She asked nothing about me and I volunteered nothing. Before I took her to bed she said: I feel as if I've known you all my life"... or words to similar effect.

Ray

 

[snipefield]

Ray, thanks for the insight and the detailed analysis. Woke up to a text she sent at 1:40 am:

Hey. I had a nice afternoon. Thanks! We can try to go out again in two weeks. {smiley} BTW if we can keep the touching to a minimum that would be nice. I don't think my bf will be happy if he saw me so close to someone else. But over all it was a successful afternoon, {place} is really lively.

Interesting!

Haha, does "please keep touching to a minimum" mean "you didn't touch me enough, you hesitant manboy, and now I'm no longer attracted" in girlspeak? Thoughts?

 

[ray_zorse]

Yeah, I think you might be right that that's what it means. Generally if they say not to touch them, it's going to be far too much work to reverse this. Frankly I feel that if they say not to touch them during the date, that's probably grounds to just ditch them then and there. Abort the date and say "well, it's been nice but we obviously have different ideas about what is happening here". If it happens over text I would say just NEXT and never contact her again. I wouldn't bother to reply. The reason you don't reply is that you then haven't acknowledged what they said (even tacitly), and so if you see them out again randomly, then you continue as normal, adding touch, asking for a date etc.

I honestly didn't notice the bit about the boyfriend in the initial report, I thought she was just saying she had an appointment with some family member or family member's friend. Eh, well that's pretty weird, you are right, I think what's happened is she agreed to a date cos she was bored with her boyfriend, and then logical brain kicked in and she decided she would convert it to a friendly hangout, or keep her options open that you might be super dominant and somehow give her what she needs by accident. Um, doubly so, you should have moved super fast, since logical brain is your enemy when they have a boyfriend. I'm amazed she agreed to the date -- you must be high value.

I'd be very interested to hear a more experienced seducer's take on the whole scenario, since I'm thinking logically here on matters that are a bit outside my own experience.

Ray

 

[snipefield]

Ray,

I really like that template,

well, it's been nice but we obviously have different ideas about what is happening here

Can't wait to use this response. Now, to be fair, if she asks me to elaborate, would I have to lay all my cards out on the table and say, "Well I'm not interested in being friends, I'm interested in you and touching is a natural expression of that. Obviously, you're not into that, so goodbye"

Or do you mean something else?

 

[snipefield]

June 21

1
Blonde standing with her back towards me on a traffic island on boulevard. I could tell she was cute from behind. Opened cheerfully, she reciprocated, was in a good mood. I was on my way towards town to go shoe shopping, but was not really in a huuge rush. The thought of inviting her out then and there crossed my mind, so I asked what she's doing now, thinking that would somehow help me. Of course, she said something, which I took to mean she was busy, but of course it didn't. I should have invited her to get tea - there were places sooo close to us. I realize I was also scared of her saying no and decided to just go for the number, safer option. However, my cheek kiss with her was a bit awkward - I've realized that I'm kissing them with my face meeting their cheek almost perpendicular, as opposed to the European way where your cheeks are almost parallel to each other.

Needless to say, silence on the icebreaker text.

2
Choded around when I got off the tram, but made myself open a girl who was with her friend. She turned out to be poilte and shy. I just decided to push really hard with getting the number, despite no attraction being there.

me: OK, put your number in, we'll hang out

2: {starts doing it, then hesitates} You know, I don't have a US number, just a foreign number

me: That's OK, we can use Whatsapp .

2: I don't know

me: It's ok. I'll send you a text and if you're not interested, just don't reply and I won't hold it against you.

I fully realized this was a lost cause, but wanted to practice pushing myself and being firm.

3
Compliment-stall. I basically chickened out after the opener, even though we were walking in the same direction. Uhh

4
Beautiful tall blonde. Opener - "Hey, you look very sexy!". Good eye contact. She was finishing up lunch break from working @ sports store. Dressed in sexy tights. Asking me lots of questions. At a certain point "Am I asking too many questions? Oh gosh". Got number and she responded to icebreaker.

5
Older lady in stunning dress. She didn't stop in response to my opener, and I stalled.

6
Girl on platform. Hesitated for a bit, but that didn't hurt me. Opened then, friendly. We sat next to each other on the train and talked all the way until she got off. Got number. Felt like missed opportunity for cheek kiss, as she was Latina. Text convo may have gone cold:

me: Hi 6, nice to make a new friend -snipefield

6: Hi! It was good meeting you! (2.5 hours later)

me: Hey 6! It was fun talking to u yesterday, let's meet up sometime this week (next day eve)

no response

7
Girl on street, saw her just as I was exiting a food place. Good reaction, but she wasn't interested - walked in another direction as soon as light turned green.

June 23
1
Complimented Asian girl sitting in front of me on bus. She had the "what is this guy about to say to me bewildered eyes". Compliment caught her off guard, and she returned to her gameboy. Since I was sitting behind, didn't reengage..

2
Girl in beautiful dress. Good energy, eye contact on my part. She mentioned being here because of boyfriend, so "i'm not surprised" and lost interest

3

Blonde chatting with friend by entrance to a bar

me: {to blonde} Hey! You look very..... pretty

3: Thanks

me: That is a very elegant dress you have for an outing to the bar.
..... You guys going to the theater?

3: No, well she is {pointing to her non-clasily dressed friend, yeah right!} What about you, why are you dressed like that? {I was wearing business attire}

me: Guess

3: Uhh, you're a mormon?


me: Yep, I'm one of those Mormons who takes their badge off before talking to cute girls

Good ec, but I dropped the ball. I pussied out on just asking for the number, and I didn't know what else to say, so just bounced. Should have just grabbed number and not overthought it.