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Ray, yes, agree with you about trying to sort out the logistics as much as possible when meeting. My hunch has been that I catch these girls off-guard and they often don't know what's going on over the weekend if I meet them on say a Wednesday. In 8's case, she was heading off to class, and it may have been the case that her brain was in a different headspace than schedules, but it wouldn't have hurt to ask..

Hmm, regarding your thoughts about rapport-building... I've been following Chase's advice in How to Text a Girl to send an icebreaker initially, then build a little bit of rapport, and then schedule the date. Of course it's easier as you recommend, but may be a bit abrupt. As in "Hmm, wow, he's just wants to go out, prob. anyone will do, doesn't really care about me".

You want to make sure you know how to text a girl and create the right emotions, because without that you’re sunk. If she’s left confused as to why you sent the text (information is missing or irrelevant) or feels like it’s cold and you aren’t really focused so much on her (lack of consideration), she’ll have confused or bad feelings tied to the text correspondence and be less likely to respond positively, and less likely to respond at all.

Don't really know what's best..

My strategy was to keep focus on her just enough but not too much. So, I waited a day to respond after she told me all her activities and then invited her out.
 

snipefield

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Thursday Day Game

Finally made some time to approach Thursday in between and after classes. Approached a couple of times with a compliment opener phrased in the following way:

me: Hey. Stop. You are incredibly cute. I couldn't resist talking to you and introducing myself. I'm snipefield

This works best on girls who truly are incredibly cute, otherwise it seems fake. Anyways, I was a little bit too slow in reacting. Two girls I opened like this were genuinely flattered and it's almost like they were embarrassed about it, and I wasn't dominant to tell them to stop and then begin the conversation from there.

Interaction with girl#4 was interesting. She was waiting at the crosswalk when I opened her.

me: Hey. I couldn't resist telling you, you're incredibly cute. Felt like saying hi.

4: Oh, thank you, hi.

me: I'm snipefield

4: I'm 4

After some banter:

me: So what are you studying?

4: .....foreign language as a major.....

me: Oh, I'm from there.

4: Really?

me: Yes. Why are you studying that?

4: Oh, because I love the literature. Where are you going? {we've crossed the crosswalk. I actually really wasn't going anywhere, my objective was to game, but I had told myself that when I got to the crosswalk that I was going to the pharmacy down the street cuz I noticed girls can smell when you don't have a plan and just tag along, so I instinctively answered}

me: Over there {I notice she's interested in chatting, so we stop at the corner}

She tried to get me to go to a language exchange, but I've been there before and it was relatively lame. I countered by saying the following:

me: We should hang out instead. You could read to me and I could judge your abilities {Yea, I actually said that. Talk about not being judgmental}

4: Oh, no {embarassed}. I don't read well.

Where do I come up with this shit? That was probably the worst thing I could have said. Needless to say, she wouldn't even give me her number (she wasn't offended, just maybe shy). In retrospect, I missed an opportunity to walk along with her and invite her to my pad then and there on a whim. It would have been worth a shot, especially given the language connection.

Friday Day Game

1
Compliment opener with "you're incredibly cute" as described above. Couldn't get her to stop for longer, she was rushing off to class.

2
Black girl in leather jacket who walked past me. Ran just a tad to catch up with her, really don't see girls with style like this on campus too much (it's mostly yoga pants and sweatshirts).

me: Hey! I had to tell you, you have a very elegant walk and also a badass outfit.

2: Why thank you {smiles}

me: I'm snipefield

2: I'm 2

She was a vocal studies major. Convo was brief, I felt like I missed an opportunity to inject some flirting in there. She was going off to class. Interestingly enough, also asked me where I was going. I was just gaming before class, but said I'm headed towards library.

3
Used single opener, not single

4
She was doing HW outside and soaking up the sun. Our eyes met as I passed her, went into a building, stared at the wall for 2 minutes, and then came back out in the direction I came from. Yea, smooth, I know!

me: Hey. Whatsup. I had to tell you, you're incredibly cute. I couldn't resist speaking with you. I'm snipefie.d

4: I'm 4

me: Hey, very nice to meet you. Soaking up the sun. Leave some for the rest of us

4: What

me: I said leave some of the sun for the rest of us

4: Oh yea, I don't know why everyone's inside. It's so nice out.

After some banter, she seemed keen on continuing to talk, so I sat down on the 3' high wall that she was sitting on, but at some distance from her.

She asked me where I was from and then I figured I'd just deep-dive her. Asked her about her dreams, a little bit about her family. The conversation was starting to come to a lull and I realized I better be on my way. It wasn't ideal, but I figured I had to ask so I said:

me: Hey 4, let's hang out sometime

4: Oh, {pauses, I'm looking in her eyes, seems genuine} I have a boyfriend

me: {pause} OK, I'm not trying to replace anyone

4: {smiles} I don't think he would like that

me: Well, that's OK, it's not a big deal

4: {smiles at me as if to say, "Yea, it's good you tried, and I see you're not devastated, that's cool"}

I tried to banter about something else so as not to leave right after getting rejected, but I forgot what I had said, so it probably wasn't all that marvelous..

5
Opened this girl on a staircase outdoors with the incredibly cute opener. She was flattered, but I let her get away.

6
Pissed off at myself from 5, almost immediately opened a sorority-type with a baseball hat on. I couldn't really make out her face, which added to the intrigue of complimenting her on her "incredibly cute" looks. She was surprised and ate it up. Asked my name, where I was from. Unfortunately, I stalled with just grabbing her number. It fizzled out and as we parted, she said "It was nice to meet you" twice.

7
Now even more pissed off at myself, I opened the first inaccessible-looking sorority-type chick I encountered. This one was wearing a leather jacket and sunglasses

me: Hey. Stop! You are incredibly cute, I saw you and couldn't resist saying hi. I'm snipefield

7: Oh, why, thank you {starts to be on her way}

me: Wait, hold on

7: I have to get to meet my friends

me: It's OK, this will only be a minute. What's your name? {my tonality carried this interaction}

7: 7

We bantered quickly about some shit I can't remember (prolly her studies), and then I kind of stalled, but wouldn't let her go, still maintaining dominance. She says:

7: You can message me on Facebook or LinkedIn or something {there was not time to make fun of the ridiculousness of sending a LinkedIn message to a chick I met while daygaming}

me: Tell you what, give me your number and I'll just text you and we'll talk and if we like each other, maybe we'll go out

7: OK

I take down the number and we part. Of course, she didn't respond to the text, but I was quite proud of myself on that one, because this was a baby step in the direction of dominance. Yes, all GC readers know this, but it's still eye-opening to actually experience it.

8
Another one with the "incredibly cute" opener. She was appreciative but a bit shy and I didn't bring enough energy

Date with Tall Girl (tg)

Got one of the girls I met last week out on a date. Date was set for 2:30 PM. I planned to eat with her (kill 2 birds with 1 stone) and then bring her back to my place (guard down during the day). She was already waiting for me at the food place. I greeted her with a hug and then we went to order food at the counter. Since she hadn't ordered, I asked:

me: Is it cool if split it?

tg: Oh sure

She was contemplating what to order and contrary to my white-knight instincts I just went ahead and ordered my shit, got myself a water and then sat at the booth.

Chat was good, she asked me quite a bit about myself, and I wasn't in the mood to be evasive, so just told it like it is. The convo was pretty neutral in emotional energy, so it was good that I had made a pledge to myself to inject some sexuality with Mr. Rob's recommendations. So, at a certain point, I said:

me: Hey. Let me ask you a question. Imagine you got married to a guy and you've never had sex with him before. Now imagine it's your honeymoon and you guys are getting ready to have sex. He takes off his pants, and he has a REEEALLY small penis. {made sure to look in her eyes, as I said that, it's cracking me up a bit even now} What would you do?

tg: Hmm. I don't know. I would like to think that if I were getting married to him, we would already have had sex. But if not, then ... bla bla

Actually, I don't even remember what she said, but she kind of opened her mouth and licked her lips in a lustful way subconsciously? as she was talking about this.

tg: Your question brings an interesting philosophical perspective

me: {pause} Yes, I suppose it does. So......about the moving job you had last summer.

I was keen to get off on this topic just as soon as I transitioned into it, but come to think of it, I missed a chance to milk it for all it's got. I should have asked pointedly what she meant. I have a hunch I would've been able to uncover her feelings about sex and also express my being comfortable with women enjoying sex purely for pleasure's sake..

I asked about her childhood a little bit, which was good, but having just read JJ's new article about childhood as a convo topic, I could have made that more sexy too by asking when she had her first kiss, what celebrity did she have a crush on, etc. Also, I did allude to a souvenir collection I have at home that I wanted to show her while we were talking about travels.

I was pretty set on getting out of there as soon as we finished eating.

me: Let's get out of here.

tg: OK. {as she gets up} I gotta go to work

me: {surprised, because when we were making the arrangement, she said she was free after class ends at 2 PM, but I didn't say anything. In retrospect should have asked "I thought you were free after 2} What time is work?

tg: 4 PM

me: 4 PM?

tg: Yea {again, she seemed pretty genuine about it, but I'm probably not a good lie detector or she was really good}

I decided to just be non-reactive. It turns out she lives about 3 houses away from mine. On our way home, I told her she should come by after work with a pie (she works at a pie place). She agreed. I didn't even try to convince her to come up because it was already 3:30 PM and it would have seemed pretty desperate. Gave her a hug and let her go, she said she'd text me.

Got a text at 11:25 PM
tg: Hey there, work killed me so I'm just gonna head home but I'll see you another time!

Naturally..

Friday Night Game

About 10 min. later, I receive a text from some friends who were out. I didn't intend on going out, but made myself do it.

I get to the bar where they're at and it's full of frat boys and the mostly hot women who associate with them. I chode around with my friends for most of the time. I open two girls with a compliment and then it fades away a bit. But they're standing right next to me and I have nothing to say. So, I decide to just keep getting reference points with turning the conversation sexual fast by using the go-to Mr. Rob (/Julien of RSD) question about the small-penis newlywed. I have fun with them for a bit, but they don't hook on this..

I'm sitting at the bar and this seasoned sorority senior (sss) comes to the bar to get a drink and chats me up. She deep dives me a little bit, cold reads my nationality and I get her to tell me about herself. She's clearly interested in chatting and there are no seats at the bar , so on a whim I just grab her hand, take her drink with my other hand, and lead her to a booth in another room of the bar. She's asking me where we're going in a coy way. Yes!

I get in the booth, set her drink down and motion her to sit next to me. Now that I think about this, I relinquished my control by not telling her to get in the booth first and then sitting next to her. She sits on the other side and breaks the state a little bit.

me: Come over here, sit next to me

sss: No. That's not how we do it here {in a patronizingly joking way, cuz I'm an immigrant?}

I chuckle a bit and then switch conversation. We about foreign language study for a quite a bit, and I could feel it's getting too academic, so I ask her the penis question. This livens her up a bit:

sss: Well, first off, I would have probably had sex with him before getting married {she makes a come-hither motion with her index finger. Lol} But if not, then I would see what he could do with his penis. Ultimately, if he would be able to give me pleasure, then I wouldn't mind. But if it was one of those "Is it in yet?" situations, then that wouldn't work. On to the next one.

me: {I laughed} On to the next one. I like that

sss: What?

me: I'm serious, I like that you're candid like that

Somehow she got to talking about tits. I guess it's comes up in sorority cirlces that the bigger tits you have the more men like you (fuck knows, prolly comes up in all circles):

sss: And you know, tits are so important for men. Usually, a guy will do this when meeting you {motions how men first look at the breasts, then the face}

me: Really ?

sss: And it really doesn't matter. A girl can have small breasts but be amazing in bed. {why the fuck didn't I say "Are you suggesting something here?" She may have said this in a little bit of a different manner..}

me: Well yea, but to be fair, you're drawing a parallel between penis size and breast size. The penis actually provides the pleasure for the woman, but though the breasts do that too, it's not to the same extent

The convo kind of fizzled out after this. We were alone in this corner of the bar and I could feel the energy was off and I actually wanted to leave, but was being polite. Of course, this just resulted in her leaving first with the patented "I'm gonna go to the bathroom, I'll be back line". I really didn't care, it was a fun convo either way.

Only other convo of note was complimenting a girl on her sexy ass, so which she replied "My ass thanks you", but I couldn't keep it sexual..

Realization About Blind Spot

Nothing monumental really happened, but I felt like I had a huge breakthrough in thinking from this day's interactions. I see now a crucial piece of game that has been missing for me. A complete blindspot. I alluded to this a bit before, but now it's very clear to me.

For whatever reason, I've assumed that girls automatically know that I'm a sexual man. This is despite the fact that I've probably 20+ GC articles focusing specifically on the importance of WORKING TO FRAME YOURSELF as a lover, not a provider. I have been ignoring all this advice to my detriment.

I've been under the impression that just because I open a girl directly, she should think that I'm sexual and that I'm not interested in the boyfriend role. That is insane. I am beginning to see this from the girl's perspective. "Somewhat handsome guy with balls opens me directly. Hmm, that's interesting, I wonder what he's really like". Then, after we meet up. "Well, yeah, he's a cool guy, seems like he's got his stuff together, but he didn't make me laugh, didn't play with my emotions, didn't make me wet and he clearly is a little bit too serious to shag. Yea, I may go out with him again if the time comes".

This is basically all because I haven't been cultivating the part of my personality that is interested in expressing a desire in sex and a desire in getting the woman to think about it.

This realization is actually making me appreciative of all the women I have approached. The skill of providing feedback is a huge part of what makes Toastmasters public speaking clubs so successful (I used to be an ardent member of a club). Well, all these women with whom I've had real convos have been subtly communicating one thing. Unequivocally and in the most polite way they know how, they've been saying the following: get SEXUAL on us!

This realization feels good, because I understand what I need to work on. Thank you, ladies :)

ps - i'm ears to advice on how to incorporate sexuality in a methodical fashion similar to Mr. Rob's "routine", which is really helping me tap this sexual, playful vibe
 

snipefield

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A lady who I met in a bar a couple of weeks ago and sent two texts to responded out of the blue. I wonder what the best way to reply to this would be:

hi. i am sorry for not responding sooner. i'd like to get to know you better, but i am in a relationship for now. maybe i could get in touch with you when that changes. hope all is well for you.

She texted me on Thursday, but I wanted to hear some experienced guys' recommendations. She's older (45) but still looks REALLY good, beautiful actually.
 

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1
Opened lady in parking lot that's across my house. She had a nice rack and gave me a bit of an approach invitation. I complimented her but then didn't persist quickly enough. Also, I was rushing hardcore to a meeting, so mind was elsewhere, but good on me on opening at least.

2
Beautiful younger chick, pretty eyes, she was walking my way. Stopped her with "Hey", this seems to be working well recently. Complimented her and bantered about usual stuff. She kept not going, so finally grabbed number, but wasn't he best, since I didn't set up date ahead of time. No response to my initial text.

3
Opened with compliment and somehow let her get away

4
Another opener with a compliment 5 min before my next class. I was actually walking in the opposite direction from my building and just told her so. The convo quickly went platonic with me mistakenly deep-diving her (literature, etc). The feeling that I was steering the convo down the wrong path was palpable. I thing what disarmed me was that she seemed so "proper" and "nice" that I automatically went for the safe conversation.. Def. missed opp to flirt. Something as easy as "Yea, I'd love for you to be my doctor..if you know what I mean", since she was on the pre-med track. I walked for quite a bit with her but at a certain point excused myself abruptly - didn't have good hunch about asking for # in light of the tone I established.

5
Right before next class, just outside my building

me: Hey. {she's got headphones on} Hey, stop. Can you hear me?

5: Yes.

me: Hey, I thought you were cute and felt like saying hi and speaking to you. I'm snipefield

5: I'm 5

me: Nice to meet you. {I quickly made a course correction since she was gonna pick up momentum} I'm actually going to that building {this was quite funny because I just intercepted her as I was walking AWAY from the building, but I kept cool about it}

5: Oh yea, me too

me: So what's been going on? {not a good line, but didn't ruin it}

5: Well, I just woke up

me: Waking up at 3:30, nice. Partying all night yesterday, I suppose, being naughty.

5: {chuckles} Well, I have a class in the morning and then this one, so I sleep during the day

me: I see. Up to some mischief at night are you?

5: Well, yes, I am nocturnal

me: Always been like that?

5: Yes.

me: So what are you in this building for?

I didn't ask for number, too bad! There was still 5 minutes until class started and I could have enquired what she was doing in the evening.

6
Opened this girl after the class. She was actually startled a little because she was text-walking and also had a baseball cap on. My compliment hit home, she ate it up. I also followed by asking if she was single (yes). We bantered a bit and I asked if she'd like to meet up right at the end when she said she's gotta go. She said yes.

me: How can we arrange this?

6: Give me your number {hands me phone}

me: {My natural impulse would be to give her my phone, but I decided to experiment. As I punch my number in...} What's your schedule looking like towards the end of the week?

6: Well, Friday I'm going to a party. And Saturday I'm going hiking.

me: How about Thursday?

6: Yea, Thursday could work in the evening.

me: Well, text me and we'll coordinate

My mind went a little blank because I suddenly didn't remember what I had going on Thurs eve. So it seemed like asking her that was a waste, although she did express interest indirectly by telling me her schedule. I messed up a bit with the following:

me: Ok 6, nice to meet you

6: Nice to meet you

me: {as she's walking away} Text me

Haven't heard from her..

Lea
Also while walking around campus, I was about to open a girl but then she said hi first
lea: Hi

me: Hey

lea: Chipotle, right?

me: ?? Oh, yea {seeking rapport questioning tone}

lea: What was your name again?

me: snipefield. Yours?

lea: Lea {I finally connect the dots}

me: Yes, I remember that fateful end-of-semester day. To be honest, I wish you would have stayed a little bit so we could talk a little bit more {I had wished that she stayed just for a minute, she was in front of me in the line}

lea: How's it going

me: Pretty good. I gotta go in here. Good to see you!

I totally got flustered here because I was actually walking away from where I needed to go and I anticipated that the question "where are you going" would be inevitable (and I didn't really want to make a story up about how I had to go to some building, since in truth I was wandering to hit on girls). Also, I got embarrassed about the way in which I expressed a bit of bitterness that I didn't close her that time. From her perspective, I remembered the fact that she left the Chipotle before I gotta chance to ask more than her name.....

I've been bumping into this Brazilian chick (another one, not the one who I have exchanged texts with) randomly every other day on campus. I first spoke with her in the cafeteria around 3 weeks ago. I realized that I prob. missed the escalation window, but I just told myself that I would ask her out the next time I see her. She was lifting weights in another room in the gym when I was finished with my workout, so it wasn't as effortless as if she'd been near me.

me: Hey, whatsup. {I smile}

brazilian chick: {takes off headphones. Her eyes indicate a bit of a surprise} Hi

me: How are you?

bc: Good.

me: You doing squats?

bc: Yea

me: Listen, since we keep bumping into each other, spontaneously I may add, I figure why don't we meet outside the confines of campus

bc: {smiles, looks into eyes} I can't

me: Why?

bc: I have a boyfriend

me: {pause} I'm not looking to replace anyone

bc: I don't think so

me: OK. {smile} Well, maybe another time

I actually fully prepared myself for this outcome and wasn't at all surprised, but still glad of course that I did it. Now when I meet her it'll be just a tad awkward but at least I won't have the feeling of regret at not having asked her out.
 

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Hmm some nice reference points there. I definitely feel I fucked up a promising interaction the other week by being too needy after the number grab. I think maybe if you're putting it into her phone then casually call yourself... Also the advice is right after the number grab continue the previous conversation as if it was no big deal -- well, number grabs aren't really my strong point but the few times I've done it this way it's gone great. I reckon if they've only known you for 5min or whatever then the tiniest mistake (like telling her to text you and thus expressing doubt) is magnified.

Good job on asking the other chick about a Thursday time though. Sounds like the whole thing didn't feel very natural to you though, but I guess it's a fine line between doing what comes naturally and deliberately expanding your comfort zone. Well, number grabs and setting up dates doesn't feel natural to me at all (insta dates more so, but this approach is also problematic for other obvious reasons)... so I need to get comfortable with it and find ways that fit into my framework.

Nocturnal --> dear me, I know what you get up to under the cover of darkness! or: my mother warned me about women like you! all sweet and innocent during the day... but when the sun goes down... positively dangerous!

:)

Ray
 

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Tuesday Approaches

A few non-notable approaches to get warmed up. Gave a compliment to a girl as I was entering my building, she ate it up, but then went right back to checking Facebook and I didn't persist (she went down a different hallway).

Lucy
me: {entering the library with her, had to catch up to her} Hey, I had to tell you, you're absolutely adorable. Couldn't resist talking to you. I'm snipefield

Lucy: I'm Lucy

me: You've got cold hands

Lucy: Yours are colder

me: I've also got a cold heart

Lucy: {laughs}

me: What are you here for?

Lucy: I'm studying interior design

me: They have that here?

Lucy: They've got everything here

me: {Really don't remember what I said, but I meant to say "Hmm, so you design people's rooms so that they can get up to naughty things}

Lucy: Nah, I just pick out curtains {smiles}

me: Oh, really? {dummy, I didn't have a good line to continue her little joke}

Lucy: Yea, well that's most people think

me: Where are you going?

Lucy: To the store {sounded very vague, almost as if she was going to somewhere she didn't want me to know, but actually I think she said that to be secretive / a little bit wary of me knowing where she was going. We were on the library's main floor, there's only a starbucks and an overpriced grocery store}

me: Hmm

Lucy: Well, I gotta go

me: Hold on. Let's meet up some time to study or for some coffee

Lucy: Sure, I'll give you my number

me: {I take off my messenger bag and step to the side, she follows me, rummage around for my phone. Give her the phone} What are you doing on Friday?

Lucy: {pauses} Where were you going?

me: Actually the business building, opposite direction from here

..... after some more banter....

Lucy: Well, nice to meet you, cold-hearted man

Exchanged text with her today. Described here: https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4897&start=100

Wednesday Approaches

1
Pretty mulatto girl didn't burn it down, she veered off after my compliment

2
We were walking in the same direction

me: Hey. I just had to tell you, you are absolutely adorable. Couldn't resist speaking with you. {smiles}

2: I'm B {she has the basking-in-the-attention face on}

me: Hey B {I let it pause just a tad, experimenting with not trying to keep the convo} B......... stands for
Beatrice ...

2: Do they name people that these days

me: Maybe your parents had a knack for old names

2: bla bla bla something about the uniqueness of her name

me: I'm snipefield

2: snipefield? That's unique. Where's that from

me: Why don't you take a guess?

2: ....guesses wrong.....

me: Hmm, no

2: OK, well what's your middle name?

me: Well if I tell you that it'd give it away

2: Oh come on

me: Alright. It's ..... middle name........

2: Woa, that's unique. Mine's Allison

me: That's pretty standard

2: So are you European

me: Yes

2: Like European-European or Middle-Eastern European?

me: {WTF do they teach people in school?} Wait what {I touch her shoulder lightly making fun of her} ?

We reach a fork in the path and I decide to go left, and she's going right. She doesn't slow down, so as she's 2 feet away I attempt close:

me: Hey, let's meet up for coffee sometime.

2: {Body half-turned to me} Maybe. I'll see you around

me: No you won't

Poof, gone.

3
Complimented girl who was about to start listening to music on phones. Teased her about putting headphones on as a way to avoid talking to people (thanks Anatman!). Ultimately, still didn't hook her

4
Turned out she's immigrant from same place I am. I immediately busted out game in native language, to which she replied that she only understands a little. That caught me off-guard and the vibe was off.

5
Sat next to her during a international cuisine snack hour library holds on Wednesday afternoons.

me: Hey

5: Hi {warm smile}

me: I usually don't drink black tea, cutting down on it, but I figured this mint tea is special, but I had to think for a second there whether I should drink it or not

5: What is it, the caffeine?

me: Yea, although I do drink green tea

5: Yea, I got this coffee from there, but it seems pretty watered-down. Have you gone to these events before?

me: I've gone to one

5: Oh, I go every week. I've got a class that ends right around this time on Wednesdays, so I relax here.

me: Ah, so it's you who's responsible for eating all the treats when I come

5: Haha, yeah, I suppose

me: I like your accent, it's quite subtle

5: Yea, people can't really place it, I'm actually from Texas

me: Hmm, how did you make it over here?

5: Well, my mom moved around a lot {describes like 10 different locations}

me: Hmm, and are you gonna adopt your mom's itinerant ways?

5: {smile, had that look that she really wanted to understand what I said} Wait, what?

me: You wanna move around as well?

5: bla bla bla

......

5: I'm studying to be a nurse

me: Hmm, so you like providing for people

5: Yea you know, I work as a serve on the weekends, so it seems that I'm bound to give people what they want and help them

me: Well, I wouldn't mind if you were my nurse

5: {laughs a bit}

...... Towards end after some more banter

5: Well, I better get back to the studying

me: Listen 5, let's meet up sometime for some coffee {mentioning coffee was my mistake, since that is already what we were doing....}

5: I'm actually seeing someone

me: Hmm, I'm not looking to replace anyone

5: Well, I'm always here when this takes place, you know were to find me

me: You don't really think I'm gonna scope you out here, do you?

5: {Laughs} But seriously, I'm always here so we can just meet up here {extends hand}

me: Nice to meet you {should have instead offered my cheek for a kiss as a compliance experiment}

6
Chick I opened 10 minutes before class started. She said she was studying sports management and I incorrectly cold-read her about her wanting to issue orders to people, but it turned out she was more of a "behind-the-scenes" coordinator type. No sweat..

7
Right before class, walking opposite directions. Changed course to walk with her on a whim:

me: I gotta class right there, but I have a little bit of time, I'll just walk with you

7: I'm going home

me: Hmm, well I won't go home with you, I appreciate the invite tho

7: {takes some time to process} Haha

...some banter before the following....

7: I actually have a boyfriend, if it matters

me: Sounds serious! Are you guys gonna get married?

7: {astonished look} Hmm, I don't know. Maybe?

me: How long've you been together?

7: 2.5 years

me: Yea, that's pretty serious {I prob. should have just gone a little bit overboard and asked her if he fucks her good}

Then we got to talking about what she studies, it went too intellectual and I bounced.
 

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Friday Day Game

Had to really force myself to approach during the day, but even then, only talked to 2 girls.

1
Blonde chick in sunglasses walking in my direction.

me: Hey. Stop!

She stops

1: ?

me: Hey, I think you are adorable and I couldn't resist saying hi to you and introducing myself.

1: Oh, wow. Thank you!

me: What's your name?

1: 1

me: Nice to meet you

I'm at a bit of a loss for words, but she standing, not going anywhere

me: So, what's going on?

1: Nothing much, just got out of class, about to meet up with a friend

me: Oh nice

1: Well, I'm very flattered {smiles} but I really have to get going

me: Wait. It's very nice to meet you. And we probably won't see each other again, and I think we'd be the worse for it. So, let's do this. Give me your #, and I'll call you and we can talk and if we like each other, maybe we can meet up.

1: OK, I'll give you my #

2

me: Hey stop!

2: Hi! {warm}

me: Hey, you are absolutely adorable. I just couldn't resist saying hi to you and introducing myself {she was in fact very cute, tan}

2: Oh, thank you very much

me: I'm snipefield

2: I'm Deza

me: Deza?

2: No Seza

me: Seza?

2: No, Reza with an R.

me: Reza, interesting. Happy Fri, what u up to ?

She just stepped out of the dorm and had some bags with her

2: Just going home for the weekend

me: Make sure they feed you well

2: Oh, they will. {Pauses just a bit} Well, it was nice to meet you

I dropped the ball with this one. Watched some videos today and realized that I could easily have converted this last convo into a number with just a little bit of persistence.

Friday Night Game

Went to a rave club not too far away from my house that was hosting a no-cover night.

1
Chick in stylish felt hat was sitting alone at the edge of a couch. I sat on another couch right next to hers. I told her she looked bored and I felt compelled to speak with her. She was receptive and we talked about where she was visiting from. I thought of changing my seat next to hers (freed up), but then decided against it. I was on the verge of sexing the conversation up when she suddenly ejected - I guess the convo was too boring for her, or she got nervous (?).

2
Decided to experiment with something new.

me: Hey whatsup.

Gives me a shy look and contrived smile

2: Hi

me: Hey, what would you do if a guy who you didn't know came up to you and said "cunt"?

She didn't know how to respond at first.

2: I would be angry

me: Hmm, well you don't look angry

2: Well, I would be

me: You know, I just wanted to speak to you cause I thought you were cute

She had this forced smile again

me: OK, have a good evening

Later on, I stumble into the girl and she motions to the guy she's with. He comes up to me and taps me on my elbow:

guy: Hey man, don't tell girls that they're cunts next time

me: I got you man {friendly vibe} I won't and I didn't

guy: OK man {taps me on the elbow again}

Really thankful for that experience. The purpose of that opener was to take the girl on a little bit of an emotional rollercoaster. This is in contrast to my typical openers, often direct, that don't really do that (they do give girl validation, seldom an emotional spike). However, in this particular case, I hadn't spoken with the girl and the "cunt" straight off the bat was too much. It def. affected her enough to point it out to her guy friend. It would prob. have worked better had I first talked with her a bit and then introduced this hypothetical scenario to play with her emotions.

3
Girl was dancing slightly leaning up against the wall

me: Hey. You are absolutely adorable.

Smiles.

3: I have a boyfriend

me: It's OK. I'm not trying to replace anyone. I was just giving you a compliment

3: Well, thank you

me: It's OK, you don't have to put on that fake smile for me

3: It's not fake

I walk away

As soon as that happened, I felt ashamed. I got bitter towards this girl for no reason at all and made her feel worse than before I opened. I then felt anger at myself because before the night started, I read an interesting technique to practice - deliberately misinterpreting what girls say. In this case, the perfect response to the info about the bf would have been "Alright, so are you ready to get outta here then? {sly smile}"

4
Actually a two-set. Opened them with a compliment and then ran out of things to say, so I just went for experimenting with the sexual frame and asked them what they would do if they found out on their honeymoon night that their soulmate had a small penis.

The friend got into the question and said:

friend: Well, that would never happen, because that's why you find out ahead of time what their dick is like

My target wasn't as into answering the question, just kept dancing. I didn't know how to continue and so just turned back around to the stage and started dancing by myself (chode!). I realize I missed a huge opportunity to advance the sexual frame (even thoough it was with the friend) by telling her I think girls should experiment with sexual partners as much as possible.

I got shy after that initial question, somehow expecting the girls to carry the load of the convo, but I really should have just talked to my target.

Overall, a lackluster count of people I talked to in the evening. I was idly sitting and standing around a lot. Nevertheless, still some great lessons in there.

Also, today (Sat), noticed a girl with excellent cleavage sitting alone in a booth in the cafeteria. I was with a friend and used that as an excuse not to open, but it would have been a perfect genuine time constraint:

me: Hey, real quick, I gotta go with my friend. I couldn't help but notice how adorable you are and had to introduce myself. I'm snipefield.....

Same thing occurred when my friend and I got outside. There was a nice girl walking in our direction and all I had to do was open my mouth, but I got shy in front of my friend. Nonsense!
 

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Lots of good approaching there, you are really burning it down :) Lots of good number grabs too.

As to the "cunt" guy in those situations I generally respond with something like "well, she can tell me herself...", although I guess if he was aggressive it might be better just to comply and leave it there. Anyway, it's good that you are trying new stuff, reminds me of when I told married lady "you are cute and I see you as a fuck buddy", didn't get me anywhere but it was still fun to experiment.

What I'd recommend is you set yourself a goal of saying something sexual in the initial sentences of the interaction... it doesn't have to be connected really or even totally on point, you can pretend to mishear what they're studying and suggest something sexual instead... or whatever, I liked the "cold heart" and other such banter, try to do that but make it more sexual. (I should also practice what I preach, haven't been turning it all that sexual lately, which has been to my detriment, but I remember having a very fun outing when I set myself the goal of sexualizing every conversation, though it didn't actually lead to dates or numbers that day).

Ray

Edit: Also check out stickied FRs for sexualized conversation, particularly Zphix (Richard)'s, these gave me a lot of inspiration in the early days.
 

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Whew, 2 snow days during the week and a pile of assignments has resulted in me not logging anything for a whole week.

Ray's last journal entry, with the link to the Approach Anxiety article inspired me. At the end of the day, when all the woe-is-I whining is over, it's clear that the only way to keep progressing is approaching (yea, I've seen some guys write about only cold-approaching 30 girls in their life despite pulling hotties all the time, but if I was like that, I probably wouldn't be on these boards).

I was sitting in the cafeteria a little bit nervous because I noticed the Brazilian chick who I asked out on a date (she refused). She was sitting in the corner by the soup station. She must have seen me too but prob. pretended not to have.

I contemplated whether to sit with her, but I'm glad I didn't, because then I wouldn't have been able to approach anybody else. There was also a cute mulatto girl who smiled at me as I was getting the soup, but she and her friend were sitting right in front of the Brazilian chick. I was too pussy to pick up right in front of her. Although, fair game, of course, ya?!

Anyways, I was nervously eating because of the energy from these girls that were behind me when I see this absolutely sultry short girl (SSG) getting a pizza. I intercept her on her way back to the other side of the cafeteria.

me: Hey. Stop

ssg: Hi.

me: Hey. I have a rule to talk to the first gorgeous woman I see every day, and you're that woman.

She starts laughing.

me: It makes life exciting. Hi, what's your name?

ssg: Short sultry girl.

me: Hi. You must be part of the Brazilian crew {I noticed an accent, Lol, I wonder if the other Brazilian chick behind me is watching this go down, all the Brazilian exchange students know each other here.... }

ssg: Yes, I am, there are about 50 of us here. Yea, the Brazilian government pays us to come here.

me: Oh, I see. They pay you so you can come here to party and meet cute American guys.

ssg: No, no. {chuckling} I actually work, I'm serious. {in a really serious tone}

me: Really, where do you work?

ssg: I do welding

me: Welding, that's quite a job. Do you have one of those visors?

ssg: No, I work in a lab {maybe she was making a mistake or I misinterpreted} Anyways

me: Wait a sec

ssg: My pizza is getting ....

me: Your pizza can wait have a minute {smile} I wanted to ask, do you wanna meet up sometime

ssg: I have a boyfriend

me: ..... I'm not looking to replace anyone........

ssg: I really should get going {she walks off}


After a while, I noticed a blonde girl (bg) with a friend by the salad bar, near where I was sitting. I guess she eyed me a little, but that's just because it turned out I opened her last week and got her #, although she never responded to my text....

me: Hey!

bg: Hi

me: I've got this rule where I talk to the first gorgeous woman I see every day - it makes life exciting. What's your name?

bg: Blonde girl

me: Oh, blonde girl {remembering her name} What u up to?

bg: Oh, my friend is just visiting from ..... uni.......

me: Oh, I heard all they do there is party

bg: Really, I don't know {takes me seriously} I'm trying to show her around, but it seems nothing's going on because of the snow

me: I see {I was done getting the salad that I used as an excuse to come up to her}

bg: It was good to see you

me: Good to see you, too

That was funny. So basically, she was eyeing me just a tad, but of course I had forgotten her and re-opened her. Lol.

Anyways, pretty happy about the first interaction because of the exhileration: it happened right next to the biggest line for one of the food stations. We were basically in the middle of the cafeteria, and I just wouldn't let her go without burning it down. Good stuff, need to keep practicing this.

I wanted to sexualize the convo immediately somehow, but didn't know what to say. For these brief interactions, I'm wary that my way of sexualizing will just come off as creepy..

Also, I had a female friend/colleague from way back stop over for work in my town and we reconnected. I've always had a little of sexual energy with this girl and we get along well. I didn't know what to expect, but she is getting married soon. I really enjoyed my time with her but just wish we spoke a little bit more about sex and relationships. And also, should have flirted with the waitress at the restaurant we went to. My friend even remarked that the waitress was cute, to which I issued a bitter old-man response "Yea, there are many of those here". The truth is that I was nervous of flirting in front of my friend, but it would prob. have been a good experiment..
 
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You did sexualize the convo!! Chase framed the little slut and nailed her good ;) That was absolutely perfect, if she hadn't had a BF you'd probably be in bangtown USA baby! In the second convo all you had to do was add the bit about the cute guys and you'd be golden... also why don't you try "oh yeah I've got a puppy at home too..." when they say they have a BF, I only really say it if there's a fun friendly dynamic, they eat it up.
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Ray, you're right, didn't even realize.... for some reason I figured that what I said wasn't sexual enough, but now that I think it about it, it is good. And yes, "puppy at home" would prob. have gone over well with short sultry girl, since likelihood is high that her bf is back home..
 

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Decided to log this very brief interaction, even though it was a missed opportunity.

I was standing in the hallway after class dazed from the crazy pace and all the theoretical concepts that the instructors are throwing at us. Totally in my head trying to figure out how I'll catch up to the material. A girl walks past:

me: Stop! Hi

1: Hi {tentative}

me: I have a rule, I say hi to the first 5 gorgeous women I see, it makes life more exciting.

1: That's so sweet {melting, strong eye contact}

me: What's your name?

1: I'm 1

me: I'm snipefield {I hold her hand a little bit, but she's angling to go}

1: Thank you {walks off}

Pooof! How did I let her go?!

Sweet seems like a "that's very nice of you but I'm not looking at you in a man-to-woman sexual way" response..... Maybe I'm reading in too much.

Here would have been a good opp to do misinterpret her:
woa, we just met, we can't go to my place just yet

Did 2 more approaches using this opener today.
 

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Gamed a bit in-between going to the gym, lunch and a lecture. I wasn't logging the interactions which I realize allowed me to just have fun with approaches and be self-amused. THIS is the kind of mentality that is conducive to meeting women..... I think I was able to do this because I just told myself, "OK, just a little bit more, because I really have to go home and work on this final" (which I really do, so it was like a time constraint of sorts for myself).

Nothing really spectacular, except I focused on being dominant and throwing out chase frames. The chase frames were awkward, but at least I tried. Here are some interactions I remembered:

I catch up to her and we're walking along. I tap her on the shoulder.
me: Hi.

1: Hi .... ?

me: I'm playing a game of hot girl tag

1: Oh, thank you

me: You're welcome

She starts to dial the phone

me: Put the phone down

1: No, I gotta talk to my friend

me: Your friend can wait 1 minute

1: No, she can't, we're going to yoga, bla bla

me: OK, well have a good day

There were also a couple of where I opened with the:

me: I have a rule. I have to say hi to a gorgeous woman when I see her. It makes life more exciting

and the response was along the lines of

girl: That's sweet, thank you very much.

...... and then just walks off. Maybe I've got a putting-on-the-pedestal vibe when I say this which causes the girl to have good feelings, but not really take me seriously.

2
She was leaning against a pillar in the cafeteria. I passed her and then came back...weak move

me: Hi!

2: Hi?

me: I have a rule, I have to say hi to a gorgeous woman when I see her. It makes life much more interesting

2: Oh thanks

me: What's your name?

2: 2

me: I'm snipefield

2: Nice to meet you

me: So you look like you're waiting for something to happen, somebody to come around, and I'm not sure that's me {bad chase frame, I think she got confused}

2: Oh, no, I'm just waiting for my friends

I notice sunglasses hanging from her shirt. For a second I think of taking them and trying them on, but then I pussy out because it would be almost llke touching her tits... Regretting it now

me: Put those sunglasses on, I wanna see how you look

She complies.

me: Oh man, I wouldn't talk to you if you were wearing those, too cool {useless neg here but I think she got the jist} So how's your day going?

2: It's OK. How about yours?

me: Well, it's about to..... {I look off in the distance, a poor trait I've noticed when I'm thinking of something to say, I look off in the distance}...... get bad in about half an hour

2: Oh yea, I have so many homeworks due tonight

me: Really, well I can't help you with those missy, sorry

2: Oh no, it's OK.

me: So what are your homeworks?

2: Nutrition........bla bla bla

I basically stalled because I didn't wanna keep talking about nutrition and didn't feel like I made a strong enough of a connection to go for number, so just ejected..

3
Notice a tall girl w/ long blonde hair on the phone waiting for bus.

me: Hey. Hang up the phone

3: Hi.

I realize I've hit on her before

me: Oh, we've met before. And you were talking on the phone as well. All you do is talk on the phone?

3: Yes, it's very important.

me: I'm sure it is, have a good day.

Haha, what are the odds?

3
Caught up to her as she was walking and tapped her shoulder :

me: Hi.

3: Hi {answering in a fearful/who's-this-creep manner...}

me: I'm playing a game of hot girl tag

3: Oh, thanks {not impressed}

me: {I pause a bit} But seriously, I thought you were cute and wanted to say hi. What's your name?

3: 2. Yours?

me: I'm snipefield

3: Snipefield?

me: Yea.

3: Are you cold?

me: Well actually, I'm not, I'm quite warm here. But I don't know, I don't think I can share some of this warmth from my coat with you, we just met you know?

3: Ha, I don't want you to

me: Well good. Stay warm and have a good day

She wasn't giving me signals of interest. The chase frame was awkward, but I'll get there. I'm really overthinking this stuff, it's not rocket science...just misinterpret everything she says as having a sexual/chasing underpinning.

I did have a couple of nervous approaches where I didn't take the interaction further than the opener....
 

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It's always difficult to get calibrated but it's a necessary process. I feel a bit embarrassed when I think of some of the clumsy sexual frames I've tried in the past and turned people off but hey, who cares, what matters is you're improving right ;) Look anyway I've been having trouble sexualizing stuff lately, it's real difficult.
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No gaming approaching for the past week, which has me in a strange state. Really don't feel like I'm improving (just barely keeping at the level I've been at or even backtracking), but I had a couple of approaches today and 1 yesterday. Decided to log them, mainly for the "Doh, I should've said ...." moments.

Yesterday
I was cooped up in my room yesterday all day studying for a major exam. I crawled out for lunch and it's warm and springlike (just 1 week ago there was heavy snow, etc). I pass a house on the next block and there's a group of girls on the front porch in bikinis soaking up the sun. Needless to say, that caught me completely off-guard. I was in such a "girls are unattainable right now" mood that I didn't even bother to look. I was scared I didn't know what to say to them (!) and would just ogle or freeze. Just saw them out of the corner of my eyes. Came to my senses while eating and got pissed off at myself. Luckily they were still there on my way back. I put on my best smile.

me: Hey. Weren't there more of you here before?

girls: ?

me: OK. {scanning them like I'm picking out a hooker from a lineup in the eastern European countryside, hehe} I piiiiiiickk you!

I point to the prettier girl in a bikini. There were only actually 2 in bikinis. The other bikini gil turned out to be the bitchy leader

me: Are you single?

She starts hemming and hawing and doesn't give me an answer. I've clearly caught her off guard. Ha, take that woman! LOL

me: Come on, let's go. We're getting married right now.

She smiles

me: Come on. You want me. I'm an intelligent, interesting man and I don't drink

bitchy bikini: Well we drink a lot.

I don't quite remember how I responded to this, but the bitchy leader basically tooled me.

bb: Have a good day (She lays back down to sunbathe, as if to say "Dear ladies of the front porch, the verdict has been issued.")

I had this Outkast Hey-ya lyric stuck in my head, and since we're neighbors, I say to pretty bikini:

me: Hey, you owe me some sugar

She laughed at this (boggles my mind why). I feel the pressure of ejecting, and bid my farewell.

Today
1
Missed sexual and joke opportunity. Opening was good, she was surprised and very bubbly. I was stalling a little bit with neutral convo topic (weather) while struggling to come up with something sexual.

....this is towards the end of convo.........
me: Hey well you're pretty. I wanna find out if you're interesting, as well

1: Oh, I'm actually extremely boring, socially awkward and don't even like people {saying it in a tongue-in-cheek way}

It's embarassing, because I don't even remember how I responded, but it wasn't clever. I think my brain selectively chose to forget it because it wasn't suave at all. Since I didn't give a good response, she said something along the lines of....

1: Well, I'm around this building all the time

me: Ah, you expect me to look for you in every nook & cranny. Nah.

Oh well. Maybe she just didn't like me and wasn't in the mood to meet people..... or maybe it was because I failed the test.

.....Usually the ones who claim they're socially awkward are the ones who have many friends and have had crazy sexual adventures..... would've been an interesting response to her and I'd be curious how she'd respond

2
Gorgeous opener on sorority chick walking towards me, missed opportunity to continue conversation

3
me: Stop! Hi. I have a rule I have to say hi to a gorgeous woman if I see one.

3: Thanks

me: What's your name?

3: 3

me: Nice to meet you

AND.....she walks off, basically just like 2

4
Opened this girl right near the gym, to which we were both headed. She asked me where I'm from and what I'm planning for Spring Break. As soon as she said she's going somewhere around Cancun I of course thought of RDawg's crazy adventures and thought of all the guys this girl is gonna be fucking. I think that stalled my brain, because I didn't turn it sexual. Ray, I know exactly what I should've said to this one now.........."My mom warned me about girls like you, they're sweet and innocent by the cover of day...."

5
Whew, don't see these types too often. Tall, great shape, not clumsy. Her baseball cap failed to hide her pretty face adequately. She was on a nearby machine in the gym.

me: Hey. I had to tell you, you look absolutely adorable and I had to come say hi and introduce myself. I'm snipefield.

5: I'm 5

me: Nice to meet you

As I was saying the first phrase, I looked her dead straight in her pretty eyes and saw this sense of pure surprise (not in a fearful way), which was pretty cool. I don't know what it is with my approach recently that's causing girls to eject politely before anything has even started. Am I bringing the energy down? Can't tell.... May have been different here because she was working out..

6
Uniquely-dressed chick. She was walking in my direction, listening to music on headphones.

me: Hi. Stop. {she stops} I have a rule where I have to say hi to a gorgeous woman when I pass her.

6: What? {sounds like an accent}

me: {slower now} I have a rule where I have to say hi to a gorgeous woman when I pass her.

6: Oh thank you.

me: What's your name?

6: 6

me: What's up 6.

6: Very nice to meet you. {ejects}

Happened again with this one. Of course, should have at least been forceful and told her to stay...
Well, pretty much a bunch of interactions where my wit didn't show up to work. With the bikini chicks, I didn't mean for it to sound like a brag, I actually wanted to be clever, but it looks like it came across like a generic attempt of a guy to qualify himself. Realized that if I finished it with "I'm smart, adventurous, don't drink and have a small penis" that may have changed things up. Taking lessons from Mr. Rob's most recent post on handling friends, I wonder what I could have done differently in order to actually get this girl's number (it's interesting thinking about the strategy...) Seems like my target didn't express enough interest for me to try to win the leader bikini girl over....
 

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What I've been doing lately is a lot more opening than previously, and about half-half the "I could not help but notice how unbelievably cute you are" and the other half a genuine compliment, for instance one of them today was "hey, stop for a moment.... I noticed your lovely top and your accessories, you look wonderful"... she said "thank you" and basically continued on, this happens a fair bit, but I don't really care because opening isn't a big deal anymore (following the link I sent previously I'm opening someone pretty much every time I go anywhere)... she doesn't really even have to be that hot, in fact it's good if she isn't, like today a girl was pretty well dressed but I wasn't that attracted after opening & seeing her face, so I took as an opportunity to practice just grabbing her arm and leading her (she didn't like it...hahaha).

So it's good to just throw out a compliment and see how she reacts, if she stops then continue by introducing yourself and the cold reading jazz, reading your interactions above I think you could do better with the cold reading as it would tend to kickstart the conversations without leaving you floundering for something to say... lately I haven't really been doing a lot of "gaming" as such but basically heading straight into finding out about them (which is where the cold reading helps otherwise it can be 20-questions like)... might be a line or two of banter (like accusing them of being naughty if they're crossing against a red light, as in my FR).

I suggest you do the same, my game is really reaching a new level because my phone is basically just overflowing with numbers from doing more approaching and asking for dates. I didn't really fix any of the sticking points in my game (still not really making them chase etc) but the fact is the more dates the more lays :) Some of them are just into you and it won't matter. OTOH I think your location is hurting you, small college town with only one or two coffee shops from what it sounds like, but I feel there *must* be a shopping mall or some kind of mass transportation or *somewhere* that the hot women hang out... what about supermarket game? I got an insta date in the supermarket tonight, she seems moderately keen, main thing is to just always be in the moment and approach with a *zero second rule*, my current rule is basically if I hesitate then I'm already in my head and I can't approach, so if I see someone hot I just start *running*.

-Ray
 

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Spring Break in New Orleans

New Orleans, as I discovered on this trip is truly an amazing city! I went there with friend back from when I used to live on the West Coast, as well as a Brazilian guy who I met while traveling last winter. Because we were somewhat late in planning, we got a barely decent hotel in the the midtown neighborhood, about a 10 minute ride from the Bourbon street action. Clearly not the best logistics, but it had to do.

My friend from the West Coast, let's call him Ryan, is a Vietnamese-American who's about 5 years younger than I am. He pretty much breaks all the stereotype of your typical Asian - he dresses well, is into poli-sci and history, has studied abroad in Russia and is extremely sarcastic. Especially because of the sarcasm, we bust on each other non-stop and have a blast.

The other guy, let's call him Ernesto, is a researcher working at the uni in the Louisiana capital. He's a fun guy, but I would put him on the "nice guy" scale of seduction (of course, he kept trying to convince me to go to titty bars and to the Asian massage parlor that he had already visited in New Orleans before).

New Orleans' main drag is called Bourbon Street. Most of it is closed off to autos and you will find people of all ages (mostly young people, lots of hotties!) walking to and fro one bar to the other one. Especially since I don't drink, Bourbon St. is the perfect venue for gaming.

I tried to remember my interactions at first, but there must have been too many, because I don't remember any details from Friday, our first night there.. Suffice it to say that nothing of consequence happened with any women.

Saturday

My buddies and I went down to check out the Mississippi for the first time in life (it felt real special, I always think of Tom Sawyer when I think of the Mississippi River). They decided to stop off at Harrah's casino first. I did a double-take on a curvy Spanish chick who was sitting on the stairs. Eventually I found my balls and approached her. Bantered about her travels - she was there for an electronic music festival that was taking place, I teased her a little bit about waiting on the stairs trying to attract random guys. She said she was under 21 and was just waiting for her friends. It was 2 PM, so I just got her number and told her I'd text her and maybe we'd meet up.

A bit later, as we were walking along the waterfront, there was a group with 2 girls and 1 guy walking ahead of us. They were clearly drinking (but not too much) and one of the chicks was HOT. Anyways, she spilled her drink, and I asked if she always defiles streets like that. She said yes, but I didn't really know how to continue the convo.

From all the interactions with women on Bourbon Street, I remembered the following 2 quite well:

Laura
She's sitting on the sidewalk, a common sight on Bourbon - people get tired of all the drinking and walking and just want to chill out and people watch. I sit with her and give her a complimented. She was friendly enough with a pretty sarcastic sense of humor. Throughout the course of the convo, she winds up qualifying herself by telling me she has a master's degree. I thankfully keep my mouth mum so as not to show off and not to look try-hard. Somehow penis size came up and I told her that mine is reeallly small, I can barely see it. LOL. She had some lipstick on her nose, so I go take it off with my index finger, and go in for a spontaneous kiss right after. I get a peck but she pulls away. We banter for a little bit more and eventually her friends come back. I'm sitting on the sidewalk and figure that if she wants me to come, she'll say something. She doesn't. They just leave.


Max
She was sitting with her friend on a stoop. I go in, compliment her and join them. She's quite friendly and I'm sitting real close. I have a feeling I can just make out with her, but it seems too fast. I just et in some incidental touching. I tells me she's on some drugs (Molly) and we connect on where she lives (I used to live there). That actually makes the convo a little bit stale, because there aren't many emotions connecting on this place..... The convo dies a bit so I decide to just ask her the hypothesized sexual scenario with the small penis. She barely lets me finish the setup because waiting for sex until marriage would never happen with her. I tell her to just use her imagination. Anyways, she said something like she would walk away from the guy. Then she proceeds to ask me if she answered correctly because this seemed like a survey. That feminine intuition. Their guy friend comes and I chat with him a little bit, but the energy is off with Max. Her girlfriend comes back and then all three of them leave.

Again on Bourbon, I spot this black girl walking (I was actually about to start speaking on the phone, which rarely works because it shows non-commital to the convo, but here it worked to my surprise). I get her to stop with a direct opener and she seems super interested. We keep bantering and I miss the window of moving her, but she volunteers to do it herself by saying:

So you wanna get a drink or something

Escalation opportunity. Of course, I say yes, put my arm around her and we proceed to walk in the direction of Canal Street, from where I'm planning on taking a cab back to the hotel. I deep-dive and tease her a little bit as we're walking. About a block from Canal, she asks me where we're going. I say you'll see. She's not having it, she's asking me if we're going to Hard Rock Cafe. As we turn onto Canal, I could feel she's getting nervous. She asks me again and I tell her we're going to a place that has artisinal vodka (hotel room he). Of course she counters
I don't like vodka

We come to a stop and I actually go in for a kiss (quite spontaneously), but I should probably have been a little bit more aggressive. Anyways, she gets uneasy and says:

girl: I'm not going with you, you may corner me or something

me: Corner you? You are free to go..

She turns, I turn and we walk in opposite directions. Yep, felt good to just say it like it was, although I probably could've been more tactful. The issue was that I don't drink, and it would probably have been odd to her had we gone to a bar and I ordered a non-alco drink. So that's why I decided to go for it and just attempt to take her directly to the hotel room.

Sunday

Again, I kept gaming on Bourbon Street non-stop. Ryan was a excellent traveling companion for this because as soon as we got to Bourbon the first night, he went into party mode and started prancing (literally) , screaming, high-fiving and generally having a positive aura. This behavior continued unprovoked for the whole time we were in New Orleans. On Bourbon, he would often just run somewhere on a whim without concern for where I was, which is great, since I've gotten pretty used to gaming on my own and occassionally like to run after girls I find attractive and stop them.

I stopped these two German girls and Ryan helped me game them. It was perfect in that he liked one, I liked the other one. We bantered with them and I got their phone number, which they seemed just a little bit uneasy to give at first. They were on their way to some bar - I didn't want to tag along, so I figured I'd just get their number and we'd meet up later. They never texted back :(

We went to some bar off of Bourbon for some variety. It was dead, but Ryan started speaking with this chick who was standing outside smoking. I hung back, sat on a stoop and decided to just observe. He was doing an excellent job teasing her and establishing rapport. I wanted to take notes, but they were changing topics very quickly. At a certain point while talking about Oregon, the chick said that her boyfriend moved to Oregon and became gay.

chick: Are you gay?

Ryan: I was gay but now I'm straight (complete deadpan)

The chick naturally went back inside after she finished the cigarette. I complimented Ryan on his convo skills and pointed out that the girl liked him but he HAD HAD to get that chick's number, she wasn't gonna do it for himself. He immediately recognized his mistake, and I think this fired him up for the next interaction.

We were back on Bourbon Street and see these two Spanish girls walking in our direction. Before I react, Ryan chimes in:

Ryan: Dorothy, you're not in Kansas anymore {chick 1 was wearing red heels}

They stop and we banter and he is just TEASING the cuter girl relentlessly. I stalled because I wasn't so attracted to the other one. He makes her guess where he's from based on how he's dressed, then makes her guess what nationality he is, then tells her not to touch him when she slaps him lightly on the chest. Naturally, this only raises her attraction for him. Probably 5 minutes pass and she remarks to her friend how Ryan is a smooth talker. Somewhere along the interaction, Ryan missed a window because they're about to leave. It turns out that they're celebrating their birthdays, which is why they're dressed a little bit more elegantly than your average Bourbon Street female pedestrian. I ask chick 1 where they're staying at. Neither of us invite them anywhere and so eventually they leave, but not before Ryan drops his cards and becomes needy by asking the girl for a hug and going in for the kiss. It didn't really matter, but it was very interesting to see how the girl's feelings changed visibly as Ryan pursued her a little bit.

Monday

1
Beautiful girl by park where brass band was playing. She was with a friend and I allowed the convo to die out after the initial compliment and introduction pleasantries

2
Met up with Ryan in Louis Armstrong Park. We were just chilling and I see these two hotties walking on the path. I tell him to follow me and I run up to them and compliment both. They're not really having it. After the customary "where are you from" (since we're all travelers), one of them says something along the lines of "Ok, is there anything else you want from us?" We let them go.

3
Almost immediately I spot another 2 girls. I opened then with some kind of in-the-moment opinion opener that made sense at the time but I don't think they really even got it because the vibe was good. Just goes to the show the importance of emotion and intent when opening. We both teased them and Ryan reedemed himself (somewhat) by being direct and dominant towards the end of the interaction

Ok, what I want you to do is put my number into your phone and if you guys are doing anything fun, text us

They complied.

I'm not gonna give this one it's own heading, because it wasn't an approach. Rather, we were approached. We're walking around the park and this fat black lady with huge tits walks in our direction. Just as she passes Ryan, she stops him and asks:

lady: Am I packing some here ? {pointing to her tits}

Ryan didn't know how to react, I found this hilarious. She didn't seem to be high, but clearly either had a good sense of humor or was just looney. Or a hooker. They talked for a little bit and I even considered inviting her as a wing, but quickly changed my mind when I realistically saw that she was only gonna hamper us.

lady: Where are you from?

Ryan: Oregon

lady: Do you want my Oregon?

Haha, what a line.

4
We went to Frenchman Street, which is less of a shitshow, more sophisticated and has even more high-quality music than Bourbon Street. We stumbled into a club where an all-female live reggae cover band started playing. This music is my cup of tea. A group of black girls were near us and one spontaneously started to dance with me. We exchanged name, but I didn't take it further, cuz I didn't want to ruin the "fun" vibe. Darn

I then had a string of rejections from ladies in the reggae club, which didn't dampen my spirits too much, because I was genuinely enjoying the music.

5
After maxing out with the reggae music, we went to an adjacent bar, where an awesome early-style-Louis Armstrong-style band was playing (they're called Swamp Donkeys). The singer actually sang like Louis. This shit was really special! I noticed a very curvy girl rocking out and enjoying the music so I went up, introduced myself and danced with her. We danced close and then danced apart. I told her in a sultry way I really liked the way she danced. Unfortunately, she went back to her friends after some time, and I never reconnected with her.

6
Back out on Frenchman Street, I spot a girl with a bike eating a hot dog and engage with her. I tell Ryan,

this girl looks exactly like where you're from

That kind of piques her interest and we banter with her. She seems a little bit interested, but again, neither I nor Ryan invite her to join us directly. As she rides off, Ryan screams:
You hipster!

7
We're just chilling on a quiet block of Bourbon (yes, the mayhem does subside at a certain point) when we see a girl passing with something strange on her chest. She's cute too, so I motion Ryan to follow me and run up to her.

She's sporting this strange alien baby doll on her chest and is also wearing a masquerade mask. This gives her a really interesting edge, especially since she's also quite pretty. Very fun chick who we later see again and take a photograph with. Again, though, I don't take the reigns and command her to join us..

8
These two were prob. in early 20's. One of them was chubby, the other one was absolutely gorgeous and was wearing one of those tops with no bra where the tits are almost coming out from the side. I bantered with them a bit, but then they turned their attention to friends, so I ejected.

9
I see two girls sitting on the sidewalk at an intersection. I kneel down to talk to one and she's drunk flirty. All of a sudden their leader comes in. I introduce myself and she says:

bitchy leader: Fuck you!

me: Wow, she must be the leader of the group. No fuck you! Be nice {I point at her with my index finger. Her mood changes}

bitchy leader: .......

me : I'm snipefield

bitchy leader: I'm bitchy leader {I keep her hand atop mine and kiss it}

Alas, these girls were getting a cab and they were relatively drunk (although the bitchy leader seemed sober).

Eddie
This guys deserves a special heading in this report. You'll see, dear hypothetical reader, why.
We were tired of hanging at Bourbon Street and decided to hit up a bar frequented by locals in another part of town. We get there. It's a Monday night. There are probably 6 people - all of them are the same type - tattoos, ripped jean jackets, punk rock / heavy metal t-shirts. It's dead.

I sit and order a tonic water (my go to) and just chill. Ryan is talking with some dude. I start talking with a guy to my left. I tell him we were tired of Bourbon and wanted to check another scene out. He says that this place is pretty dead, but he'll be happy to take us to another bar nearby, if we'd like.

As long as you don't murder us, I reply. I don't get a crazy or a gay vibe from him, so I figure why not. We leave the bar and go to his SUV around the corner. Eddie has recently returned from living in New York but doesn't have a place to live, so he's been living out of his SUV. All his shit is in the back seat, so one of us has to climb into the hatchback. Ryan is being a little wuss, so I just go back there, and it's actually quite comfortable. We get on our way to the first bar. Eddie's telling us his life story (not at all in a sob-story way), just real talk. Some shit about his army days, some shit about being a chef in New York and living with some "broad" (as he referred to her) in Newark, NJ. He keeps teasing Ryan and me about being gay, and I go along with it "why else would a white guy and Chinese guy hang out together". We get to the first bar, and it's dead. We buy Eddie a beer and he takes us to the next place on the list.

We really had a fun time chatting with him. We were talking about women and Eddie unprovoked says one of the best lines I've heard in a while. He was referring to PC everything is nowadays in regards to women and says:

you know, I'm from the old school, where no means yes, yes means anal and anal means tie me up and do whatever you want to me

Classic!

He also kept telling us about this hooker friend of his who owed him lots of favors and asked us a couple of times if we were interested, he could call her up. Unfortunately, even party New Orlean has quiet times. We went to 3 more places after the 2nd bar, and all of them were dead. While parking for the last place back near Bourbon, this homeless guy comes up and asks Eddie for change just as he's getting out of the vehicle. Eddie doesn't hear him and asks the guy to repeat himself. The guy does.

Eddie: Usually, when people ask me to do something, they pay me. Suck my dick!

And what do you know, the guy fucks off! Eddie was a good example of a edgy, street smart don't-take-shit-from noone guy. And he was quite kind, too, didn't want much from us except to just buy him a beer...

Tuesday

Ryan left in the evening (Ernesto left on Sunday night), so I was out solo on St. Patrick's day. Again, I approached lots, but here are the notable ones:

Alas, my most successful interaction came early in the night. I pass two girls on Bourbon and then after turning the other direction, pass them again. The friend is distracted with buying something at the shack bars that line Bourbon. I open this girl

me: Hey, I have to tell you, you are absolutely adorable.

Hailey: Thank you {beams}

me: I'm snipefield. {I get real close}

Hailey: I'm Hailey

me: Have you gotten your St. Patrick's Day kiss yet?

Hailey: No

me: {I go in for the kiss and we then we start making out right in the middle of the street. I pull away first and look deep i her eyes. This girl is my type - blonde, blue eyes, quite tall, she is beautuiful. I clasp my hands behind her neck, rest them on her shoulders} Where are you from?

Hailey: Chicago. You?

me: ...... my state.... {I keep looking in her eyes and go in for a make-out again} My friends ditched me, they all left. But it's OK, I like hanging out myself {said in a non-needy way}

Hailey, I better go, but we should meet up later.

Hailey: OK.

me: OK, lemme get your phone.

Hailey: I left my phone at home

me: Really? {I actually pat her down completely and don't spot it} Hmm, well we'll have to meet up randomly

I kiss her again and then leave. My reasoning was that it was early in the night, it would've been weird to tag along with her, especially since she was with her friend. Now, though, I realize that I should have at least engaged the friend and seen where that would've taken me. In the least, I should've gotten the friend's number to contact Hailey. Needless to say, I never saw her on this last night in New Orleans.

Some of the other chicks I spoke with that night:
NZ girls - they were in a lighhearted, jokey mood, and I was too serious. There was a girl I spontaneously picked up after she jokingly hit me while walking past me. In a bar with live funk music, I complemented and danced with an absolute blonde bombshell, but she then went back to her friends. I got tired of being on Bourbon and decided to go to a karaoke bar. It was quite a trek and a waste of time, but I spotted a cute older girl on the sidewalk outside of some bar and started to talk with her after a complement. She seemed flattered and we talked about life in New Orleans, but I ejected with an excuse that at the time was something along the lines of "she seems too chill". Started regretting pretty much as soon as I went, because she actually was quite genuine and all I had to do was at least continue to show interest in her..

There were two girls who I used pushed pull successfully initially, but then they reciprocated and I started to chase. At a certain point, it was 2:50 AM and I decided to call it quits. I was quite excited about the trip right after I got back home. Writing this now, however, the fact that I didn't get a girl is hurting my ego.

But, my big takeaways from the trip: since I'm used to gaming solo, it's nice to do it with someone else. Basically, Ryan is a natural - he hasn't studied any pickup theory and instinctively knows how to pull girls' emotional strings. He's younger and naturally better at game than me, but I truly enjoyed this educational experience. Also, I noticed how the dynamic that he and I have should be exactly the dynamic that I initially have with girls. This is contrast with my typical interactions with women on dates, where I noticed that I don't tease them or avoid controversial topics because I'm wary I'll offend them. I've noticed that this carries into other interactions. For example, there's a guy in my apartment building who I go to the gym with sometimes. He's a gym rat and has lackluster convo skills. I'll ask him how his day has been, and he'll go into a detailed story about the muscle groups he did last time at the gym, or the minute details of all the school projects assignments that he has had. I basically ignore this cuz I fear that I told him I don't give a shit about his projects, he'd probably take an ego hit.

Another interesting observations from N.O. was that it's one of the few places where street approach is actually quite common. As a result, a regular street approach to a hot chick on Bourbon is nothing out of the ordinary for her, and one must differentiate himself in other ways. I especially saw black guys hitting on chicks (kudos to them!). I was curious and actually aked a couple of girls who were just hit on by black guys what their game was and the girl basically told me that she was just going along with what he was saying and not investing in the convo. Sample size of 1 though, so not much meaning in that.....
 

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Beautiful girl dressed in sorority uniform (in Spring - short shorts, t-shirt, baseball cap, sunglasses)

me: Hey. Stop! {she's walking quick} I cannot resist telling you you look absolutely adorable

1: Thanks {keeps walking no change of pace at all}

me: You're welcome

2
Standing in line to get into school cafeteria. Girl with truly beautiful blonde hair in front of me

me: Hey, since we're gonna be standing here anyways, I cannot resist telling you I really like your hair

2: Thank you

me: I'm snipefied

2: I'm 2

me: It's not died, right

2: Yes, it's not

me: ....... So, you study business.. {cold read}

2: No {kind of rolls her eyes here but not in a negative way} Studying communication

me: Hmm, you don't get nervous making speeches? {darn trying to get away from questions altogether}

2: No

me: Hmm. How many have you made in your life?

2: Well, used to do acting, so I have experience

Her time came up and I didn't get an "I'm interested" vibe from her.

3
I was rushing to a class at 12:40 after lunch. I see another natural blonde in jeans that show off her butt strolling along in a sexy way, obviously enjoying the weather. I catch up to her and pass in front just by a foot.

me: Hey. You have very pretty hair. I couldn't resist telling you.

3: Thanks

me: I'm snipefield

3: I'm 3

me: Nice to meet you. So, you always flaunt your hair all over the place like this?

3: {chuckles} Ha, no, just enjoying this weather.

me: It is beautiful! {later I thought of a better line - yes, I like the scenery, would've been a bit more sexual} So, what are you strolling in-between

3: Oh, I'm just going to the library to print out some stuff

me: Well, I'm in a rush. You're actually making me late! {she chuckles again}

I walked off and kept kicking myself for that. The prof. was 10 minutes late, so I would have lost NOTHING asking for her number, especially since the interaction went swimmingly. D A R N!!

4
The hallway of my apartment building is open (motel style). A neighbor was laying out sunbathing on the hallway floor by her apartment that's right next to the staircase. I stalled and just said good afternoon to her at first and then went into my apartment. I was way too horny after seeing her cleavage (I think this girl knows what she's doing out there) and used an excuse to go down to the basement to throw garbage out to speak with her

me: Hey, we met at the beginning of the term, what was your name?

4: 4. And you weere?

me: snipefield. Yea, it's amazing how you there are 8 people living on this floor, but some I don't see at all. What are you studying?

4: Nothing, I graduated

me: What the hell are you still doing here then?

4: {smiles} I don't know. I'm moving to x town in July

me: Oh, I heard that's a fun town. What are you going over there for

4: Grad school, I have a psychology degree so gotta study sthing else.

me: Yea I'm in the same boat as you

4: What are you studying

me: Well I'm studying what is practical and will pay money after going down the route of doing what I'm "passionate" about. {I tell her my field of studies}

4: .......

me: Ok, well see ya!

Last one wasn't really an approach but decided to write it down because a guy on my floor (the gym rat guy I mentioned in the previous post) complains about this girl, saying that she has a lot of guys over (I gather he's jealous). Anyways, it would be fun to get with her, just need the right angle if she keeps sunbathing on the floor like this..
 

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No Persistence

Saw two girls in dresses from afar below in a park while I was walking on an overpass. Decided to go for it. They were turned away from me when I approached.

me: Hey! I saw you guys from over there and you looked cute, so I decided to come down and introduce myself

latina girl 1: {smiles} Oh, thank you

me: I'm snipefield

lg1: I'm lg1

lg2: lg2

me: So what are you guys doing over here, is this the model hotspot of the world {they were posing model style}

lg1: No, just taking pictures

me: Where are you from?

lg1: Chicago

me: What the heck are you doing in sleepy ...... town all the way from Chicago

lg1: Oh, we came to visit our relatives

me: Hey, was there a festival in town today?

lg1: I don't know, we're just visiting

LG2 starts to walk away and I take my cue to eject

Later on I go to the cafeteria to eat dinner. I pass a pretty girl while riding my bike. I park it, and she's still far away. I thought of just waiting until she came, but then decided to be done with this pussy business and just walk straight to her, onlookers be damned. I opened with good energy, but could have been louder:

me: Hey. Stop. Hi

madison: Hi.

me: I passed you on my bike and thought you were cute and I wanna say hi.

madison: Hi {keeps walking, doesn't stop at all, I don't react fast enough and now there's 4 feet between us and her back is turned towards me}

me: ....stall....... That's it!? At least tell me your name?

madison: Madison

me: What's up, Madison

I've recently been thinking about my hang-ups as they pertain to persistence, escalation and being sexual. I decided to note the interactions above, which are very similar to many interactions I've already detailed in the journal, because they're good examples of how I give up easily after the approach.

I'm finally realizing that the pretty girls who I want are the ones who are less likely to be receptive right from the start of an opener. After all, they get hit on a lot and merely want to save time - it simply doesn't make sense to engage with a guy, give him a phone number, go on a date only to find out that he's weak. So they spontaneously react to openers in such a way that makes a guy prove that he's strong right from the get go. And this is good, because it's training me (ideally) to become playful, flirty and outcome independent. Right now, my game is technically not even game: I am not inducing women to become more highly invested in me than I am in them...

I've thought a bit about why I am not persisting: I think it may have to do with repressed sexuality that stems from prior porn addiction. I've gotten used to doing a direct opener, but I am uncomfortable with constantly re-iterating my sexual desire as the interaction progresses. It must be this fear of vulnerability that causes me to give up too easily. I hope that recognizing this behavior will help me correct it.
 

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I don't think you have to be super persistent or use a lot of game to get results (though it might help especially if you have a kind of "be a generalist -- get any girl any time" mentality like Chase), I think it is adequate just to approach and express attraction and talk as naturally as possible (given you've only just met) about anything you might have in common.

What is more important I would say is the nonverbals, and I think this might be an area to work on. By the sounds of it, you might still be experiencing some approach anxiety, and it seems to me that you're already somewhat invested by the time you've approached her, simply because having to overcome the anxiety and approach is costing you something, so you naturally then feel a pressure to conserve / prolong the interaction, which conflicts with your IDGAF vibe.

Here are my suggestions to internalize:

Approaches are cheap. They literally cost you nothing. So get in the habit of making approaches without any attempt to prolong the interaction at all. For instance knocking on a window when you see a pretty girl in a store and then blowing her a kiss. Or whatever. Complimenting the girl behind the counter on her earrings even though she is fat. Just going around being playful and self amused / value giving and making approaching part of that. Much as you want dates and sex partners it is more important to be having fun all the time, the rest just follows naturally because a voice in your head says "hey, this is serious, she's not playing around anymore... maybe she's good for a date" but until this happens I wouldn't sweat it, just make "cheaply approaching" a mindset.

I am a high value, sexual man. I am fucking awesome. Girls worship the ground I walk on. They are queueing up to get a chance to be with me or have me in their lives. I'll break the ice to make it easy for them, and pass the time of day with them, and honestly express my feelings including those of attraction, and follow my impulses (if it occurs to me to try to kiss her, do it, etc), but at the end of the day it takes two to tango and if she's not working for it IDGAF about her, plenty of bitches want me bad.

Let me know your thoughts, if this is off base maybe I can have another look at it, since I know you are a fucking awesome guy and filled with value, we need to sell you well.

Ray
 
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