The Ladykiller Chronicles

[Kvothe]

I expect part of the resistance I'm facing is from forgetting to seed the pull. Need to keep that in mind.

As part of an exercise Bacchus told me to do, I'm also writing down some objections I've gotten over the last few days, and what response I should make to them.

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Her: I promised I wouldn't do anything sexual today
Me: You got to practice some self control then babe. Come grab a seat real quick, we'll be right over there super close to your friends, it's just more comfortable than standing.

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Her: It's too late, take my number instead
Me: Yeah, I totally get that. Once it reaches that point where a little part is telling you it's time to crash and sleep, even when you're having a really amazing time. But I'm sure you've had moments in life where you thought the night was basically over, and then you stayed out a little bit longer, and had experiences that were so spontaneous and enthralling that you're super happy you stayed out, and kept exploring in these moments, you know?

 

[Kvothe]

The Ladykiller Chronicles

Quick note today: Once you’ve walked past her, let her soak your presence for moments (3-5 seconds) then open, otherwise it will become awkward. This is what has been pointed out to me and what I need to start making adjustments on.

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Expectations are a strange thing. A few months ago, getting 3-4 solid sets a night would have seemed like a dream. Now, I'm annoyed if I do that and don't pull.

Important to remember this when I feel like my progress is stalling, or that I'm not growing as fast as I think I am.

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Did approaches on Saturday and only real set to talk about was one girl who was out with a bunch of guys. The guys were being her wingman and introduced her to me. It was a warm approach in that way. Was very easy to move her, and set some frames.

Interesting bits-she tells me she had her first one night stand ever some time late last year. I should have spent more time on this, or complimented her I think, something like "good for you" or try to elicit her feelings about it, and try to focus on the passionate and exciting aspects of it. Instead I just breezed by.

Second thing, she went to go talk quickly to a friend, and asked me to wait. I should have been a bit more of a challenge here, maybe by asking her to get me a drink, or putting some kind of pressure on her to come back quickly. Regardless, she did come back quickly.

It's clear to me that I'm in a low social momentum state-clearly given my difficulty getting out of my head and actively using what a girl is talking to me about to use in conversation. And additionally my frame control (and even identifying what frames are being set in the moment) needs work.

 

[Bismarck]

I wouldn't be too hard on myself bro. It's clear you've come leaps and bounds forward since earlier times, snagging some seriously sexy snatch in the process.

(Notice how your expectations are now different haha). I think you'll get less antsy when you start getting a rotation and still going out for strange. Will give you stability.

 

[Kvothe]

Out with a different illness for about a week.

brb

 

[Kvothe]

Was out for a few weeks with some serial illnesses. But I'm back.

Went out Thursday night, had only one real approach. Hooked well and grabbed the number, but no response. Did have some calibration. When isolating I noticed the girl seem uncomfortable about leaving the friend, so I told her to bring the friend (since the friend was also talking to a different guy).

 

[Kvothe]

Yesterday night did a few approaches. Ended up opening a girl on the street, and through a quick rapport and eliciting of her desire to not go home, and a very easy "I'm grabbing a quick drink, come join me", got her to come with me to a bar. It was always going to be bad logistics because she had work at 8:30AM, and it was already close to midnight. But I built up the emotional stimulation, with good sexual frames. Didn't go very explicitly arousal based though. Girl asked me to kiss her, so this time I slowed down while doing it, teasing it out, before giving a quick, but sensual kiss. Suggested a quick drink at mine, but getting to my apartment took until 2AM, even with the uber. Logistically just was not good enough to keep her out given the early rise she had, but some light making out, and a very high ratio of success makes me feel quite encouraged. Also remained fairly calibrated in how I escalated, though I think I still do need to push my own boundaries of comfort with sex talk as I think she was open to more explicit material (8 orgasms, sexual frustration).

 

[Kvothe]

FR+ - A more and more typical Saturday night

So went out solo last night. Continuing to build the momentum back up after a few weeks out of the game. Thankfully I seem to have pushed through a level and am not starting back from zero. I was dressed less show-offy than usual. Simple eye catching patterned dress shirt in red notes...

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[Kvothe]

Nothing particularly special yday. Went out with some friends from home, and realized I don't want to do that anymore. Maybe we've outgrown each other, but every moment felt asinine and boring.

I don't think I'll be going out with non-PU friends for a while. My time is too valuable to lose a Saturday night for something that isn't adding some other value to me.

 

[Kvothe]

Going to stop doing so much dance floor game. It has a purpose, but it increase the chances of state crashing + losing the girl. Additionally need to be better about getting to talk to a girl's friends so that they don't cockblock.

Today grabbed a number at whole foods. She mentioned she'd never been hit on at a grocery store. I should have replied with:

Me: Hitting on <said with smirk>? I'm not as easy as that, I still barely know you...

Could potentially add:

Me: I'm not as easy as that... You're very cute, but beauty is common, and I barely know you

The issue is her statement frames me as chasing. Need to make sure I keep the frame of her chasing me. Part of this is from the approach itself. I was looking at her before she looked at me. These small things all add to the overall frame, and frame control is definitely still a weak area.

(the above gambit is from teevs). And thankfully we're working to improve that.

Yesterday I approached a girl, main issue there was I need to make sure I eject out before the girl when it's a number grab. It frames me as the chasee, as opposed to the chaser. Small things that build up to screw up the macro frame.

 

[Swati]

Going to stop doing so much dance floor game. It has a purpose, but it increase the chances of state crashing + losing the girl. Additionally need to be better about getting to talk to a girl's friends so that they don't cockblock.

Today grabbed a number at whole foods. She mentioned she'd never been hit on at a grocery store. I should have replied with:

Could potentially add:

The issue is her statement frames me as chasing. Need to make sure I keep the frame of her chasing me. Part of this is from the approach itself. I was looking at her before she looked at me. These small things all add to the overall frame, and frame control is definitely still a weak area.

(the above gambit is from teevs). And thankfully we're working to improve that.

Yesterday I approached a girl, main issue there was I need to make sure I eject out before the girl when it's a number grab. It frames me as the chasee, as opposed to the chaser. Small things that build up to screw up the macro frame.

Had to response. dancing is fucking horrible, my hard rule is you take girls out the dance floor instead of taking them inside. Never go inside of the center, where you become a furniture for the DJ/artist, losing the attention of your girl.

 

[Kvothe]

Had to response. dancing is fucking horrible, my hard rule is you take girls out the dance floor instead of taking them inside. Never go inside of the center, where you become a furniture for the DJ/artist, losing the attention of your girl.

Yeah, tbf I enjoy dancing with a girl, and generally, I'm better at dancing than the girl. But the state crashes are not good. Even last night, I technically only danced for a few minutes and frequently stepped back out to sit down and talk. I did use it as an opportunity to reset our body positioning. I was sitting and she was leaning into me, which put me in the position of being chased.

In this case I do think the main issue was the friends thing.

 

[Kvothe]

Momentum feels back. Due to additional work and class pressure, I really only have weekends to go out. I've started including Thursday nights to the schedule as warm up days. Friday/Saturdays I'm hooking hotter girls. Issues are mainly calibration and resistance related. Frustrating, but progress is undeniable. It's only a matter of time.


Thread 'So angry-losing girl in last 5%'
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/so-angry-losing-girl-in-last-5.26298/

 

[Kvothe]

Will write up a FR at some point.

Current issues are mainly in frame control, persistence, and dealing with resistance.

Mood: Frustration mixed with resolute optimism

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[Kvothe]

Unlikely to be able to do any nightgame until mid-august. Will try to get some daygame in the next few weeks though.

 

[Kvothe]

Doing daygame for the next week. Mostly can only focus on instadates. But some pretty bad AA.

 

[Kvothe]

Nothing much from yday. Had one relatively long set but I'm not too happy about it. Street approaching I'm still AA'ing but the seated ones are coming back from the rust.

 

[Kvothe]

Lot of updates from last few days. Been going out with some amazing SS guys who have re-energized my love of game and helped me break through a street game issue I've been having for a year. Grabbed a decent number of numbers of the street the last few days.

Main couple of things to note that I need to work on.

1. My vibe currently is too social, not as much sexual. Good for hooking, but I really need to focus on the subtle sexual signals as well as improving my seeing the conquest within the set
2. My texting needs improvement-to that end, I'm going to set up an excel sheet to track a lot of the different metrics and how they all combine to success/failure. The only way to deal with high multivariable equations is to have a whole lot of equations, so texting will be a large experiment. I will likely need to separate out texting via nightgame leads and texting via daygame leads as one class of numbers may skew the results of the other. Will need to be seen if street stops need to be in their own class from seated sets, though I'm inclined to have them be so.
3. I need to relisten to past coaching sessions with teevs. I've got my social momentum back, which means I need to add in a lot of what we had been discussing back into the set
4. I need to be more calibrated-when moving, isolating, number grabbing-I must do so on high points, as opposed to when interaction is ending
5. I'm missing a lot of AIs, so I need to improve my awareness-likely tied to momentum, but meditating and TRE will help
6. Go for the kill. I eject out of sets a lot-I need to critically think on whether I'm doing so for strategic reasons, or because there is ambiguity and I am uncomfortable

 

[Kvothe]

Finally broke my dry spell. Been focusing on the basics. Eye contact, physical escalation, pace of speech, timing.

LR inbound.

 

[Kvothe]

Main notes from last two nights are to be more forgiving towards myself. Perfection is the killer of progress.

I skipped out on approaching girls who were open, so I need to fix that.

Also I need to lower my standards when I'm low micro momentum. This is a MAJOR issue for me. It ruins my social proof, it ruins my ability to build social momentum. I need to be talking more throughout the night and breaking negative patterns. Getting the ball rolling is the more important part.

 

[Kvothe]

Has it really been since September that I last wrote an entry? Wow I've had no time.

Mostly a quick note to myself as I was thinking. When approaching a moving set where it seems like she's also in a rush, but you're both moving the same way, I want to field test asking a girl if she'll walk with me forward until we have to go different ways, as opposed to asking her if she's going in the direction I was. Small thing, different frame, I have a feeling there would be better results.

FYI I'm not gone, but am actively investing time away from pick up right now to get a larger ROI in the next few months in terms of contiguous time I can spend practicing, as opposed to the more haphazard way I've been forced to for the last half year or so.