@AbWongX the problem with the entire position you're taking here is that you are presuming to make the choice for a woman of whether she should have this kind of experience or not in the first place. It's not up to you, it's up to her.
I am a newbie in this forum, but I wanted to chime in on the discussion.
@Will_V , I appreciate some of your insights about female psychology and attraction. However, I can't help but also question this particular idea that PUAs leave women 'better off than they found them.' Specifically, how does this hold up when we consider the concept of the 'alpha widow' that Rollo and many other men in the PUA community talk about? An 'alpha widow' is defined as a woman who, after being with an attractive dominant man, finds it difficult to be satisfied with future male partners because these men can't measure up to that intense experience. Many legitimate mPUAs, by creating intense and dominant sexual experiences for young women, often set a high bar for future intimate relationships that these women find hard to match. Doesn't this leave these women struggling to feel the same level of sexual attraction or satisfaction with other men, especially when future male partners will most likely be less attractive and less dominant than the most alpha of men — perhaps shorter, less sexually successful, with smaller packages, or just lacking the same level of confidence and charisma, or even completely clueless about women?
Let's have a closer look at the principle behind this.
Let's say there's a girl who loves to fly, she's been flying as an airline passenger, and she's been flying in a little cessna and having some fun. Now let's say I'm an aerobatic pilot and I invite her to come fly with me. I take her up and give her a wild ride, it takes her breath away and she loves every minute. I move away or whatever and she goes back to flying her cessna, but she can't enjoy it any more. She wants that wild ride again, it's all she can think about.
Too bad?
She has two choices here. She can reset her expectations and just say 'ok that was intense and fun, but I have to think about my life and all I have here is a Cessna, so let's make the most of it'. Or she can go and look for another aerobatic pilot, if she doesn't want to lower her standards.
It's her choice to have the experience in the first place, and it's her choice what she does later on with the options she has left. But you can't choose for her. We all want to experience everything that life has to offer, we all want to feel the extraordinary, even if it's only for a short time. It's what makes the rest of life worthwhile, gives us our most treasured memories, and elevates our spirit. And to try to take that opportunity away from a girl 'for her own good' is a horrible idea. It's one of the most insidious aspects of red pill victim mentality, which has unfortunately seeped into a lot of men's mental models these days.
And when a woman has an unforgettable experience with a highly attractive dominant man and is then left behind, it is logical that she might end up chasing that feeling, unable to connect as deeply with other (lower SMV) guys. This could lead to a pattern of dissatisfaction and emotional turmoil, which doesn't sound like she's been left 'better off.' In fact, you could argue that these women might have been more attracted to and more loyal and more satisfied with a normal beta man if they hadn't encountered a dominant man like you, who set a different standard for what they desire in a partner.
You're treating her like she has no choice or agency, she's just this object that's used in different ways with some 'value' that degrades accordingly. A woman is a soul just like you with ambitions and the desire to live life to the fullest.
Also, many, many women have extraordinary sexual and dating experiences with 'alphas' and extraordinary guys, before settling for a reliable, less exciting 'beta'. Often the 'beta' never knows about it, because she knows it will hurt his ego. She is fine with the situation, but he's not, so she simply never tells him, and he's blissfully unaware. These relationships work, and they happen all the time.
And that's really the crux of things - this is not about a woman's satisfaction or happiness, but a lower-quality male's egoistic satisfaction and happiness, which is (according to such logic) obtained by hamstringing a woman's ability to live the life she wants, so that she thinks he's better than he is. That's the reality of what a lot of the red pill guys are pushing - a bitter and resentful victim mentality.
Furthermore, if a dominant PUA's presence in her life causes her to become disillusioned with future partners, doesn't that increase the risk of her experiencing more infidelity or a general lack of fulfillment in her subsequent intimate relationships? The very notion of leaving some girl 'better off' becomes very questionable if the lasting impact of the interaction is negative for her future. It’s worth considering whether the short-term excitement generated by game might contribute to long-term dissatisfaction in her future, leaving her chasing an emotional high that future boyfriends (or husband) may never be able to match.
That's her choice to decide. If someone gave you a million dollars, and you spent it all, and now your $35k/year job isn't fun anymore, what you do about that is entirely up to you.
Respectfully, I think you should consider the potential downsides of these interactions. While the seduction process may be thrilling, how can you ensure it leads to lasting positivity, rather than leaving women as alpha widows, burdened with overly high expectations and emotional baggage? As Rollo and other men in the PUA community have pointed out, such experiences with dominant men can make it harder for these women to pair bond and remain loyal to the next men in their lives.
What the red pill are doing here is twisting everything in such a way as to appear as if they are looking out for a woman's health when they are really looking out for their own interests.
In my opinion, the number of sexual partners a woman has does affect her ability to pair bond. However, I'm not of the opinion that every woman needs to be a virgin at marriage. How many is too many? 1-5? 5-10? That's debatable. And at the end of the day, it's her choice.
That has nothing to do whatsoever with the 'alpha widow' effect, this is a red pill sleight of hand. This is the red pill taking one concept about the total number of sexual partners and its psychological effect, and trying to combine it with a woman simply having high standards because of an extraordinary experience she had.
I wish for every woman (and every man) the most exciting and intense sexual experiences they can imagine. It's really an out of this world experience, and one of the best things that life has to offer.
If a woman or man can't get that, or can only get it rarely, that's not my problem. And frankly, I don't think women are half as worried about it, and are a lot more practical about the reality of life, than all these red pill victims on youtube.
And when women are not practical about this, it is usually a result of being fed the idea that all women have the right to have everything they want all the time with no effort or sacrifice, which is just the female version of the disfunctional egotism that drives a big part of the red pill.
Edit: Wanted to add something here.
It's far from impossible for any man to become extraordinary, regardless of where he's starting from. Any man can choose to give up his security, his comforting illusions, and go and face risk and hardship in pursuit of a lifestyle that is difficult for most men to achieve. That is exactly what we seducers (at least the sort of seducers that 'alpha widow' beautiful women) do. We often begin at an average or poor starting point, from where we spend a good portion of our lives building ourselves up internally and externally, accepting difficult and often painful truths, cleaning out all the traces of bitterness and resentment from our lives, going through loads of failures and rejections to understand the nature of women and how to give her what she desires. Our reward is her pleasure and infatuation, and the loyalty she gives us when we satisfy her on levels she didn't even know existed.
If you want that, you can have it. It doesn't matter where you start from, you may have to work harder, but you can still have it. But to even begin that journey, you will have to let go of the victim mentality that, every day, destroys the potential of billions of men on this planet. That's why (despite it having some factual logic and certain truths) I talk about the red pill the way I do. Because it has made itself the enemy of the man who would otherwise accept the terms of his existence and ambitiously pursue what he wants against the odds, crushing his spirit and making him feel like the only path to success is by regulating everything around him down to his current level, rather than inspiring him to elevate himself up.
The choice for whether to accept that or reject it is always in your capable hands.
) but to these guys who prioritize all the stuff mainstream society tells them they are supposed to prioritize in order to be "winners" we look like "losers" and they cannot understand why women go for us, and worse, end up in long-term relationships with us.
