What would cause a woman in a relationship with a celebrity to release all his info?

[Starboy]

Should a short guy focus on becoming internet famous to get laid?

There have been a bunch of short dudes here on this forum who have been able to get laid despite not being famous. Sure it's a disadvantage for them,but they've been able to overcome it by maximizing their attractiveness and improving their game to compensate for the physical traits they lack.

 

[whyumad?]

Absolutely not, but it's not because they are homeless, it's because they failed to succeed at the goals they set for themselves.

Okay fair enough. I guess I am done "arguing" about this point then.

 

[DeepShadow]

People are like a multi-value chart and the total value is given by the value of all the values relevant to the other person. Because the values are not all the same, but a weighted sum must be made, based on a specific girl, because each evaluates different things even if some are universal.

Imagine a man who values a girl and we put some values into it. We value these values as a choice for a girl's physical face sexual skills and ability to throw the javelin. For you, the first values all have a 1x multiplier.

The first girl ALexa has physical 9, face 8, and sexual skills 10, while the javelin at a multiplier 0x or even if it is a 10 in that, it is worth 0 for you. So Alexa total score 27. Siry has 10 physical 9 face 10 sexual skills and 2 javelin throwing. So even if the former has the most points overall, she wins the latter for a higher relevant overall score for you.

Women do the same for us men only we men have more values to be attractive and money is in our head a much overrated value in attracting girls. Or rather, most do not understand if it is direct or indirect cause or what correlation and causality is (for example you think that a guy picks up many for his great ferrari wealth etc. and he is in part but the reality is that he has that money because he has many useful and attractive traits that allowed him to earn that money) and they think it's the same, but there are actually huge differences in how you use them. Money is an amplifier, it gives you access and more things and gives you more freedom.

I found this where it makes good points in the video:

For example, he reiterates that many of his rich friends like him don't fuck. Because you have to have social skills and know how to use them. And he says as the indirect fact because women like them, he gives an example to women like spontaneity and money facilitates it, women love fun money facilitates it etc. so he says that money helps with certain things they find attractive, so it doesn't being the direct cause and why if you don't know how to use them they are practically useless if not harmful because they will only fuck you gold diggers who will steal everything from you

 

[Jasonbourneyo]

Everyone here is talking about money. Alright so consensus agrees that just having a big bank balance and no game is a recipe of disaster.

Alright what about fame? Would people like Elon musk and bill gates, be able to sleep with women without being like "I'll transfer $1,000,000 into your account, if you come to my hotel on the 25th of this month"

 

[trashKENNUT]

Alright what about fame? Would people like Elon musk and bill gates, be able to sleep with women without being like "I'll transfer $1,000,000 into your account, if you come to my hotel on the 25th of this month"

Nope. You must have some game.

I have had friends who are niche famous. Girls be jumping infront of him, ignoring me as his friend there.



z@c+

 

[Will_V]

People are like a multi-value chart and the total value is given by the value of all the values relevant to the other person. Because the values are not all the same, but a weighted sum must be made, based on a specific girl, because each evaluates different things even if some are universal.

Imagine a man who values a girl and we put some values into it. We value these values as a choice for a girl's physical face sexual skills and ability to throw the javelin. For you, the first values all have a 1x multiplier.

The first girl ALexa has physical 9, face 8, and sexual skills 10, while the javelin at a multiplier 0x or even if it is a 10 in that, it is worth 0 for you. So Alexa total score 27. Siry has 10 physical 9 face 10 sexual skills and 2 javelin throwing. So even if the former has the most points overall, she wins the latter for a higher relevant overall score for you.

Women do the same for us men only we men have more values to be attractive and money is in our head a much overrated value in attracting girls. Or rather, most do not understand if it is direct or indirect cause or what correlation and causality is (for example you think that a guy picks up many for his great ferrari wealth etc. and he is in part but the reality is that he has that money because he has many useful and attractive traits that allowed him to earn that money) and they think it's the same, but there are actually huge differences in how you use them. Money is an amplifier, it gives you access and more things and gives you more freedom.

I found this where it makes good points in the video:

For example, he reiterates that many of his rich friends like him don't fuck. Because you have to have social skills and know how to use them. And he says as the indirect fact because women like them, he gives an example to women like spontaneity and money facilitates it, women love fun money facilitates it etc. so he says that money helps with certain things they find attractive, so it doesn't being the direct cause and why if you don't know how to use them they are practically useless if not harmful because they will only fuck you gold diggers who will steal everything from you

I've never rated women or calculated a rating for them. The only question is whether there's attraction there or not.

I don't believe for one second that rating systems are used by either men or women (except to some extent when vetting for marriage, but even then, only very marginally). Attraction is way more out of your hands than you think.

The red pill space is inundated with pseudoscience that claims that men and women are walking calculators of other people's value. Both men and women are told that the other gender wants them for X and Y and Z but the truth is that they walk past viable candidates on these metrics all the time and don't even notice. Most of it is backward rationalization in an attempt to assume control in a dating environment they don't understand at all, and the only result of swimming around in this 'knowledge' is that it constructs a persona for them that obstructs their ability to approach closer to living out who they really are.

Other than that, I agree with the rest of what you say. If I had to say in one word, based on what I've seen and the conversations I've had with women, what I believe captures female attraction best, it would be 'drive'. A man without drive is utterly useless to a woman in terms of either excitement or long term potential. Everything that I have seen regarding female attraction suggests that a man's desire to move forward and exert his will on the world is the cornerstone of what flips the switch in her mind. His drive is responsible for the way he deals with challenges and competition, takes opportunities that are associated with risk, and fucks her at the end of the day. And most men are not driven in any substantial way, but rather looking for a way to merely buffer themselves against negative outcomes, or create some kind of intricate web of logic that makes it impossible for them to fail without actually having to be anything extraordinary, because they have no real consciousness of anything within themselves that sets them apart from all the other guys they see who are just trying to get by as well.

 

[ulrich]

Alright what about fame? Would people like Elon musk and bill gates, be able to sleep with women without being like "I'll transfer $1,000,000 into your account, if you come to my hotel on the 25th of this month"

Elon Musk was married before he became famous.
If you look at her current GF (Grimes), she is not particularly cute. Actually I’d rather have his ex-wife.

Bill Gates soon to be ex-wife Melinda is not beautiful either.

And don’t let me start talking about Mark Zuckerborg…

Neither money nor fame are magic bullets.

 

[Will_V]

Everyone here is talking about money. Alright so consensus agrees that just having a big bank balance and no game is a recipe of disaster.

Alright what about fame? Would people like Elon musk and bill gates, be able to sleep with women without being like "I'll transfer $1,000,000 into your account, if you come to my hotel on the 25th of this month"

Stop focusing on height, fame, and money. None of them will solve your problems.

 

[Jasonbourneyo]

Stop focusing on height, fame, and money. None of them will solve your problems.

But fame will help a short ethnic guy

 

[Starboy]

Everyone here is talking about money. Alright so consensus agrees that just having a big bank balance and no game is a recipe of disaster.

Alright what about fame? Would people like Elon musk and bill gates, be able to sleep with women without being like "I'll transfer $1,000,000 into your account, if you come to my hotel on the 25th of this month"

Elon musk is said to be a weird socially awkward dude btw he is known to have asperger's. Other than his business accomplishments he's not a casanova.
You shouldn't be comparing yourself to others it really doesn't help your situation or make you feel good. Focus on what you can change about yourself like how you behave around women,how you feel about yourself,how well you communicate with others.

 

[Will_V]

But fame will help a short ethnic guy

Now you have managed to combine ethnicity, height, fame, and money into a few short comments on the subject of female attraction.

You are not getting any closer to reality.

 

[ulrich]

But fame will help a short ethnic guy

What’s your obsession with looking for shortcuts?

 

[DeepShadow]

I've never rated women or calculated a rating for them. The only question is whether there's attraction there or not.

I don't believe for one second that rating systems are used by either men or women (except to some extent when vetting for marriage, but even then, only very marginally). Attraction is way more out of your hands than you think.

The red pill space is inundated with pseudoscience that claims that men and women are walking calculators of other people's value. Both men and women are told that the other gender wants them for X and Y and Z but the truth is that they walk past viable candidates on these metrics all the time and don't even notice. Most of it is backward rationalization in an attempt to assume control in a dating environment they don't understand at all, and the only result of swimming around in this 'knowledge' is that it constructs a persona for them that obstructs their ability to approach closer to living out who they really are.

Other than that, I agree with the rest of what you say. If I had to say in one word, based on what I've seen and the conversations I've had with women, what I believe captures female attraction best, it would be 'drive'. A man without drive is utterly useless to a woman in terms of either excitement or long term potential. Everything that I have seen regarding female attraction suggests that a man's desire to move forward and exert his will on the world is the cornerstone of what flips the switch in her mind. His drive is responsible for the way he deals with challenges and competition, takes opportunities that are associated with risk, and fucks her at the end of the day. And most men are not driven in any substantial way, but rather looking for a way to merely buffer themselves against negative outcomes, or create some kind of intricate web of logic that makes it impossible for them to fail without actually having to be anything extraordinary, because they have no real consciousness of anything within themselves that sets them apart from all the other guys they see who are just trying to get by as well.

I am not saying that they do that calculation rationally but subconsciously your brain sees a certain attractiveness based on a sum of information it receives, and the man has different "values" and "weights" attributed of evaluation compared to the woman. And each individual in turn differs in that. But hierarchical systems are biological systems older than us (I'm not talking about patriarchy or other bullshit I'm talking about biology and neurochemistry) and they exist and therefore there are value differences. For example, a girl who makes art might have a lot more attraction towards the artistic leader of an artistic community than a CEO of a large company who makes more money and is known more. nor is that the only thing, I was just talking about this factor. I am also against that red pill bullshit generally, as always I am only a part. We are 3d and not 2d beings and there is much more.

 

[DeepShadow]

here is an example of a man with virtually no money (bum) and with no status in tow

 

[Winston]

Neither money nor fame are magic bullets.

I think fame (and power) are completely different than money. Because both fame and power have built in social proof within them, whereas money has not.

Mystery, within the MM, listed the attraction triggers. One of them is: the way other people react to you. When you have fame (and even more so, power), people are very reactive and that alone created attraction within girls seing the interactions. Game on top of that should not really be needed.

When you have money, it doesn't imply that people will react differenty to you, unless you advertise your wealth with status objects, and even in that case, the reactions of other are less strong than with fame or power.

I think that's why rich people tend to buy status objects, to signal their wealth and thus hope others will treat them with more deference (and thus indirectly creating attraction within girls in their direct environment, but this is also probably way less effective than fame and power).

But this is not a direct path: money => attraction
This a more indirect path: money => allow you to buy status => social proof => attraction
When you have fame or power, you shortcut it: social proof => attraction

Regarding looking at the wifes of Musk, Gates and Zuck... We don't know how many girls and how hot they bang on the side. Even with low social skills they probably have a great sex life due to their fame and power. I am pretty sure if Musk show up at any random parties or nightclub, this would create a kind of riot, and many girls would throw themselves at him.

 

[ulrich]

I think fame (and power) are completely different than money. Because both fame and power have built in social proof within them, whereas money has not.

Mystery, within the MM, listed the attraction triggers. One of them is: the way other people react to you. When you have fame (and even more so, power), people are very reactive and that alone created attraction within girls seing the interactions. Game on top of that should not really be needed.

Fame is very context dependent.
You might be a famous rapper but then you get into a country club or a different country and nobody gives a shit.

You might as well be the king of your hill but the moment you step out of your zone, fame is barely useful.

The closest thing you can get to universal fame is being a Hollywood star… and that is unrealistic for 99.99% of the population.

I take charisma over fame any day of the week.

Regarding looking at the wifes of Musk, Gates and Zuck... We don't know how many girls and how hot they bang on the side. Even with low social skills they probably have a great sex life due to their fame and power. I am pretty sure if Musk show up at any random parties or nightclub, this would create a kind of riot, and many girls would throw themselves at him.

They probably aren’t.
These are really public personas, they have a lot to lose and I doubt the press is going to let go any rumor regarding them.

Maybe there would be a riot if Elon Musk goes to a nightclub and yet he doesn’t.

It’s the cost of being famous.
Also, they didn’t get that rich by chasing pussy.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Fame is very context dependent.
You might be a famous rapper but then you get into a country club or a different country and nobody gives a shit.

Recently, @Gaturro faced this same problem.

All of us were talking about this on the chats.

So there's three.

1)Where You Were Versus Where You Are
2)Location and Value
3)Phases

Number 1 is critical. Because you might be successful on paper but you are still miserable. A lot of examples of celebrities, wrestlers having problems.

Number 2 is not so hard. It can be adjust.

Number 3 is where she is. If she is older, experienced and you are still working on things, she can manipulate her value as if she is bigger value than you.

I mean that's how *cough cough* marriage *cough cough*. work. *cough cough*

z@c+

 

[Gaturro]

Recently, @Gaturro faced this same problem.

All of us were talking about this on the chats.

So there's three.

1)Where You Were Versus Where You Are
2)Location and Value
3)Phases

Number 1 is critical. Because you might be successful on paper but you are still miserable. A lot of examples of celebrities, wrestlers having problems.

Number 2 is not so hard. It can be adjust.

Number 3 is where she is. If she is older, experienced and you are still working on things, she can manipulate her value as if she is bigger value than you.

I mean that's how *cough cough* marriage *cough cough*. work. *cough cough*

z@c+

Yeah also she doesn’t need to know you.. as long as she eventually finds out you’re famous you will still get the “preselection” effects lol

 

[Skills]

here is an example of a man with virtually no money (bum) and with no status in tow

You beat me to it but is on the link I already gave him... another example was axell rose from guns and roses... but many musicians and many dead beats do this and way more, even I did that at one point easy as fuck.-

You basically tell the girl you are struggling or lost biz, job etc.. and that you are fucked and may move out of state or hours away or parents... you have fucked her and she is invested.... she will offer to move in etc... is not even hard to do or complicated millions of naturals doing this... I did it couple of times.... is not complicated.... I have talk about this to nausea....made couple of posts about this before...

 

[DeepShadow]

You beat me to it but is on the link I already gave him... another example was axell rose from guns and roses... but many musicians and many dead beats do this and way more, even I did that at one point easy as fuck.-

You basically tell the girl you are struggling or lost biz, job etc.. and that you are fucked and may move out of state or hours away or parents... you have fucked her and she is invested.... she will offer to move in etc... is not even hard to do or complicated millions of naturals doing this... I did it couple of times.... is not complicated.... I have talk about this to nausea....made couple of posts about this before...

A "friend" of mine hadn't turned out to be a great person but he always did. He had a house but didn't have much money but he was very good and persuasive and always went to live with girls and was supported, the girls paid him everything. What posts have you written about it?