Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

[Teevster]

I was just giving example of usage of traffic lights, but with text you can keep on her (orbit) for when and opportunity may come up (break up/ovulation etc...) and then jump in when it opens....

Oh yeah, I totally follow you here! But again it is not within your full control, but heck, it is better than nothing and it is a low-investement strategy,....

the most pretentious of them all lol. i love them for it tho

We will see what you think when they manage to frame any conversation about sex into an academic one or a deep philosophical one, or brings in fucking Shakespear and Rousseau in to the mix. It becomes a hell of a clusterfuck. But I am pretty good at dealing with it, although this does not mean I do not find it incredibly annoying.

Best,

 

[Velasco]

"Reds don’t like you – and won’t like you, no matter what you do – so just delete them from your life forever".
"The simple truth is that she’s just not attracted to you in your current form, and probably will never be attracted to you, period".

@Grand Pooba these are direct quotes from your article. Your saying they will NEVER be attracted to you no matter what you do. Which is not what Pablo said. He said, and you can look it up in the podcast yourself, if you think I'm twisting his words around,

"There's girls in the venue, that are gonna be red for you, that means that there's no chance on earth that you're gonna make them want to be with you"
"My advice to most of you that are listening to this, is that stop talking to yellow girls. go for the green girls. there's a lot of green girls. you just haven't noticed them yet. just keep approaching"

There will be girls in the venue that nothing you say will make them want to be with you. Doesn't mean ya can't fuck them at another point in time in the future via multiple dates. Which would to many guys here be a "waste of time". Especially when you're trying to get an SNL.

And btw those quotes from the podcast were from 2 years ago (not 5 years ago before online apps took over)

 

[Velasco]

But your traffic light post was brought up by Velasco who was, if I am not mistaken, a proponent of the idea that you cannot really turn over reds.

I am with Pablo (from the podcast) on this discussion. because he was being honest there.

 

[Skills]

I just found my old one lol: http://www.theskillsmethod.com/the-3-types-of-women/

 

[Skills]

I am with Pablo (from the podcast) on this discussion. because he was being honest there.

where is that podcast i want to hear it... i want to hear pelusita

 

[BigPapa]

I used to think along those lines when I was a beginner - although different theories than yours . Truth it is mostly all in your head.

The latter is the ultimate universal key.

1. Go in there
2. Observe
3. Calibrate
4. Evaluate what you did and see how it works out (debrief the day after going out)
5. Adjust things, and change what did not work, or try something different and resume the whole process.

It is as simple as that.

Easy in theory, but harder in practice - since in practice in requires a lot of experience dealing with different cultures and traveling a lot.

But making overall theories about how X girls are Y and so on is to me a waste of time and not a very interesting discussion.

Best,

I totally agree with what you are saying and they are indeed wise words @Teevster , but what I was trying to say is that the "buying temperature" (aka investment needed in order to do the isolation) is different from country to country , city to city , and place to place , which actually you explain bellow

With experience with dealing with many different countries you will eventually get to figure out a country within days, or maybe within even a singular outing. When I go out the first night in a country I oftentimes spend the first night figuring things out, although I have managed to get lays the first nights, like the first week end in Paris where I pulled twice in a row the first week end.

In my opinion, the differences in difficulty are not really the existent. Also the differences in how women work and how game works is not that different either - although these small differences occurs and you will have to adjust to that.

 

[Velasco]

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[Grand Pooba]

But your traffic light post was brought up by Velasco who was, if I am not mistaken, a proponent of the idea that you cannot really turn over reds.

It's not whether or not you can - it's a question of efficiency with effort and outcome.

And, the traffic light system article is simply a guide. It always is and was.

I present to you the idea that, as an author, I write for my audience - especially an audience of readers from as diverse a base as GirlsChase which ranges anywhere from high school virgin newbies to mPUAs types that can consistently bang 5-10 a month for months on end.

I think a good comparative on this whole topic is the idea of trading and investing -

For the average person who doesn't know much about trading and investing and wants to do it passively - and he's fine with a 20-30% return over 2-3 years. His trading should be done long term. Just put in something that will work (focus on Green opportunties) and don't worry about risky trades that could backfire or be a waste of money.

But for the proficient trader who knows buys, sells, puts, calls, options, short sells, spreads, limits, etc... in other words, for the man who knows his tools and is masterful with using them. He can play on Bull markers, Bear markets, and profit immensely in the RED times when everyone is losing big.

Because it seems to me that every PRO LEVEL GAME GUY here is saying that I'm giving contradictory advice which is meant for the masses.

No, but I do think there's a huge lack of empathy and understanding that guys have - as they get better in game - for the average guy and what he's looking for when it comes to women.

Most guys out there who are reading my articles are not looking to flip reds like mPUA guys are.

It is not a question that I have taken the time to discuss much here, so I won't discuss it not. But I think I touched upon it in my OP and I do not feel anyone has contributed any additional indicators on whether one should or should not go for reds (I listed skills level, momentum, and contextual settings in my OP if I am not wrong)

You know where I stand on this, but I believe that you must clarify whether your traffic light system (the one you share) is based on compliance or attraction, and if based on attraction, you must explain if and how attraction can be increased (I believe that you can't do that, especially not at the early stages).

I must admit that things get a bit semantically unclear here.

If the traffic light system is related to her attraction level (and considering that one cannot up her attraction) then NO. The girl does not get greener since attraction is not raised, only her compliance.

If on the other hand, you see the traffic light system as her level of initial compliance (irrelevant of her attraction level), then yes I am following you on your line of though.

I usually do not favor semantic discussions, but this one I believe is of major importance.

Is that traffic light system defining her level of attraction or her level of compliance (such as desire)? In your definition you use the word "liking" ("she likes your/she does not like you") - in which case I am assuming your version of the traffic light system is attraction based - but I may be wrong and I will allow you to clarify.

But if it based on attraction, then no you cannot turn a red to green, but you can still bang a red by upping her compliance.

On the other hand if the traffic light system is based on compliance then you can turn a red into a yellow or green.

At the end of the day, from a practical point of view, it does not change much because the bottom line remains the same: You can bang reds

I see not purpose in over debating whether one sees the traffic light system as an attraction indicator or compliance indicator. But it may be key to announce which one one is referring to during the debate.

I think you've identified another important distinction - attraction versus compliance.

And I agree with everything you've written by the way.

The basis of this is:
Attraction is not a state that can be changed.
Compliance is a changeable state.

Like my trading example - This is a situation where I think the advice for a "pro level gamer" is different for the "average guy" so to speak.

At the end of the day the Traffic Light System IS compliance based, because the entire idea of the traffic light is based on States. Attraction Reds can be pulled with Compliance.
For the Average Guy, the Traffic Light System is Attraction based, if you're looking for an inefficient return on investment. This is simply a model.

ust to clarify.

I would never advice anyone to go for reds because it is very hard and most of the time a big waste of time. In the GC/podcast we cover seduction material for the mass, i'm advicing most dudes to stay away from yellow girls and go for the greens. That does not mean you can't change yellow or red girls into green. Just nothing i talk about here because this is so far away from most guys reality that it would be confusing. I still beleive that most dudes mistake in field is that they stay too long at yellow girls when they should get experience through finding greens and better their game/skills. When you get better you need more of a challange, then you will try to game harder girls and yellow girls are a good way of practicing that on. But this is only for advanced dudes with a huge skillset and aboundance of girls.

^^ FOR THE RECORD I AGREE WITH THIS.

Reds don’t like you – and won’t like you, no matter what you do – so just delete them from your life forever".
"The simple truth is that she’s just not attracted to you in your current form, and probably will never be attracted to you, period".

@Grand Pooba these are direct quotes from your article. Your saying they will NEVER be attracted to you no matter what you do. Which is not what Pablo said. He said, and you can look it up in the podcast yourself, if you think I'm twisting his words around,

See above for Pablo's response, and my response saying I agree with him.

Do you guys understand the concept of a guide?

You know - like a model to follow, especially as you're learning?

I'm just going ask Chase to delete this article - we can forget it ever existed. Already have spent way too much time debating on this today.

 

[BigPapa]

"Reds don’t like you – and won’t like you, no matter what you do – so just delete them from your life forever".
"The simple truth is that she’s just not attracted to you in your current form, and probably will never be attracted to you, period".

@Grand Pooba these are direct quotes from your article. Your saying they will NEVER be attracted to you no matter what you do. Which is not what Pablo said. He said, and you can look it up in the podcast yourself, if you think I'm twisting his words around,

"There's girls in the venue, that are gonna be red for you, that means that there's no chance on earth that you're gonna make them want to be with you"
"My advice to most of you that are listening to this, is that stop talking to yellow girls. go for the green girls. there's a lot of green girls. you just haven't noticed them yet. just keep approaching"

There will be girls in the venue that nothing you say will make them want to be with you. Doesn't mean ya can't fuck them at another point in time in the future via multiple dates. Which would to many guys here be a "waste of time". Especially when you're trying to get an SNL.

@Velasco I think that you are a little bit too caliente & picante in your posts . Most likely what he was referring to the fact that i you need proximity and more time , which is super unlikely to get if you do not share the same social setting with her ( work space, club, library , etc )

 

[Skills]

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It's not whether or not you can - it's a question of efficiency with effort and outcome.

And, the traffic light system article is simply a guide. It always is and was.

I present to you the idea that, as an author, I write for my audience - especially an audience of readers from as diverse a base as GirlsChase which ranges anywhere from high school virgin newbies to mPUAs types that can consistently bang 5-10 a month for months on end.

I think a good comparative on this whole topic is the idea of trading and investing -

For the average person who doesn't know much about trading and investing and wants to do it passively - and he's fine with a 20-30% return over 2-3 years. His trading should be done long t

But for the proficient trader who knows buys, sells, puts, calls, options, short sells, spreads, limits, etc... in other words, for the man who knows his tools and is masterful with using them. He can play on Bull markers, Bear markets, and profit immensely in the RED times when everyone is losing big.

Because it seems to me that every PRO LEVEL GAME GUY here is saying that I'm giving contradictory advice which is meant for the masses.

No, but I do think there's a huge lack of empathy and understanding that guys have - as they get better in game - for the average guy and what he's looking for when it comes to women.

Most guys out there who are reading my articles are not looking to flip reds like mPUA guys are.







I think you've identified another important distinction - attraction versus compliance.

And I agree with everything you've written by the way.

The basis of this is:
Attraction is not a state that can be changed.
Compliance is a changeable state.

Like my trading example - This is a situation where I think the advice for a "pro level gamer" is different for the "average guy" so to speak.

At the end of the day the Traffic Light System IS compliance based, because the entire idea of the traffic light is based on States. Attraction Reds can be pulled with Compliance.
For the Average Guy, the Traffic Light System is Attraction based, if you're looking for an inefficient return on investment. This is simply a model.




^^ FOR THE RECORD I AGREE WITH THIS.



See above for Pablo's response, and my response saying I agree with him.

Do you guys understand the concept of a guide?

You know - like a model to follow, especially as you're learning?

I'm just going ask Chase to delete this article - we can forget it ever existed. Already have spent way too much time debating on this today.

This is exactly right as a amateur writer(and horrible at it, i am talking about me).... When you write you are just simplifying and dumming down concepts...

As i said like 4 pages back this whole threat is getting redundant....


Red can be converted 2 ways:

- long game

- short game with framing/set ups in a way that she does not really come up to you as a red she has falling into an invisible trap .... (but one can argue she is not really a red at this point)

 

[Grand Pooba]

If anything, here's how the terminology *SHOULD* work:

The idea of RED is Attraction based.
The idea of YELLOW is Compliance based.
The idea of GREEN is Compliance based.

If she is a Red - she is Not Attracted and Non Compliant. Even with Compliance attempts, you will fail.
If she is a Yellow - Attraction is variable, ultimately it does not matter. Compliance is the driver. Compliance extends from a range of Red to Yellow to Green and changes. She may be Not Attracted but Compliant. She may be slightly attracted but Not Compliant.
If she is a Green - she is Attracted. Likely she is Compliant, or will be.



In other words, if a girl can be obtained, she is a YELLOW or more.

 

[BigPapa]

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Red can be converted 2 ways:

- long game

- short game with framing/sets in a way that she does not really come up to you as a red she has falling into an invisible trap .... (but one can argue she is not really a red at this point)

I think the right color is orange for short game ( between yellow and red ) . Now we have a new color in the pallet of colors haha

 

[Grand Pooba]

- short game with framing/set ups in a way that she does not really come up to you as a red she has falling into an invisible trap .... (but one can argue she is not really a red at this point)

Exactly - what is a Red?

What people are actually debating in this thread is Yellow.

 

[Velasco]

If anything, here's how the terminology *SHOULD* work:

The idea of RED is Attraction based.
The idea of YELLOW is Compliance based.
The idea of GREEN is Compliance based.

If she is a Red - she is Not Attracted and Non Compliant. Even with Compliance attempts, you will fail.
If she is a Yellow - Attraction is variable, ultimately it does not matter. Compliance is the driver. Compliance extends from a range of Red to Yellow to Green and changes.
If she is a Green - she is Attracted. Likely she is Compliant, or will be.



In other words, if a girl can be obtained, she is a YELLOW or more.

now you got it

 

[Hue]

@Grand Pooba I don't think there needs to be any article taken down from an overdrawn debate that's primarily down to semantics at this point

 

[Chrance]

The light system is a technique, not a description of reality. It is for filtering.

I know a pua coach who used the frame of “find the girls that want to fuck me” as a guide to keep him going through the night. Could be that this same frame is what a lot of screeners have, but take it too far. Your personal motivational frame or personal model is not equal to reality.

theres definitely a lot of benefit in saying “you’ve got no chance move on”, “you’ve got some chance so keep going” and “home stretch”. At least for me it ensures I don’t waste time. This is different though from saying as a matter of fact you had no chance; there’s always a possibility you could have done something different

 

[Skills]

Exactly - what is a Red?

What people are actually debating in this thread is Yellow.

I think we are all mentally masturbating tbh.... They are talking that reds can be converted to green... And giving examples on how it can be done and how they did it... the compliance stuff is really good by the way and we must focus more on the original op.... I hope the op message does not get diluted, by all these silly arguments...

Though fun advance debate discussion instead of talking about about "What should i text this girl"

 

[Chrance]

The only girl that’s a red is a dead one

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@Teevster dude! I'm on my phone and don't fancy my chances of quoting the part of your post about compliance or attraction scales for the traffic lights. I mentioned this on my original post regarding the OP. Compliance game could be run because they gave time of day, if they ignored them or walked away it couldn't have happened.

Arguably there's two scales that coincide between attraction and compliance, where a girl can be attracted but not comply. This could be due to logistics, a mistake or availability.

You can seduce any girl that will give you the opportunity. Without an opportunity the best techniques in the world won't be any use. You can use techniques to get that opportunity as we've already mentioned preselection and social proof.

 

[Velasco]

Exactly - what is a Red?

for me reds are girls who are either or a combination of

Not physically attracted to you or not sexually available to you (has a guy who fulfills her sexual needs and she's obsessed with him) those you can't flip. However, there are also girls who are just in a bad mood (which has nothing to do with you) which classify as reds, that I believe are flippable.