Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

[YS.]

This thread is like a summary of every single major limiting belief the community has.

Todd explaining how to turn around rejections:

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If anybody has twisted ideas of attraction...

Next time you go out start with a tested opinion opener. (So you can actually talk and have a chance to attract the girl.)
Find a girl super NOT into you and disqualify her. Say we're not gonna get along. She's your little sister. Or just subtly neg her.
Tell me how she reacts.

OR

Get rejected (as hard as you can) in the beginning of the night.
Pimp hard. Make out with chicks, make sure the other girl sees it. Have a blast.
Re-open her 1-2 hrs later. As if nothing happened. "How's your night going?"
Tell me what happens.

 

[Razorjack]

This thread is like a summary of every single major limiting belief the community has.

Todd explaining how to turn around rejections:

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If anybody has twisted ideas of attraction...

Next time you go out start with a tested opinion opener. (So you can actually talk and have a chance to attract the girl.)
Find a girl super NOT into you and disqualify her. Say we're not gonna get along. She's your little sister. Or just subtly neg her.
Tell me how she reacts.

OR

Get rejected (as hard as you can) in the beginning of the night.
Pimp hard. Make out with chicks, make sure the other girl sees it. Have a blast.
Re-open her 1-2 hrs later. As if nothing happened. "How's your night going?"
Tell me what happens.

You can also try what I used to do:

If a girl rejected me hard, I laughed at her (yes, right in her face) like I just gave her a winning lottery ticket and she was stupid enough to throw it away. She then either immediately re-engages with a completely different attitude or engages after she sees me with other women (like your example of pimping hard)

 

[YS.]

You can also try what I used to do:

If a girl rejected me hard, I laughed at her (yes, right in her face) like I just gave her a winning lottery ticket and she was stupid enough to throw it away. She then either immediately re-engages with a completely different attitude or engages after she sees me other women (like your example of pimping hard)

Haha, love it! Would be harder for most people to implement though. Requires great inner-game, abundance/non-reactiveness.

 

[greenleaf]

Next time you go out start with a tested opinion opener. (So you can actually talk and have a chance to attract the girl.)
Find a girl super NOT into you and disqualify her. Say we're not gonna get along. She's your little sister. Or just subtly neg her.
Tell me how she reacts.

To be honest, that's kind of been suicide in my experience lol. (disqualifying and negging girls who are clearly not into you and don't want to speak after you open them. They just look at you like a retard and walk away lol. These are young Brit girls in clubs for reference). Earlier in a different thread (velascos FR thread from UltimateManProject), Teevster seemed to imply that that stuff (disqualifying etc) only works on girls who have a baseline level of attraction/compliance which makes sense.

 

[YS.]

To be honest, that's kind of been suicide in my experience lol. (disqualifying and negging girls who are clearly not into you and don't want to speak after you open them. They just look at you like a retard and walk away lol. These are young Brit girls in clubs). Earlier in a different thread, Teevster seemed to imply that that stuff (disqualifying etc) only works on girls who have a baseline level of attraction/compliance which makes sense.

All of my advice is field tested my dude. There have been PLENTY of infields of guys turning around rejections & disinterested girls. When a girl is disinterested and you show active disinterest odds are she would become interested or intrigued, at the worst until she gets the validation back. Of course HOW you do sth is more crucial than what.

This is Cat String Theory, Game 101. Make sure you don't show interest to her before you show disinterest. (LOL, don't open direct or direct-indirect than disqualify. Just make sure you don't show interest/intent and make sure the girls DON'T wanna talk to you. Then test out the Cat String Theory. It's one of the most field tested theories infield by all PUAs. Then tell me the results.)

If you have access to it, watch RSD Max's infield in the Natural when he teaches the Million Dollar Mouth piece. There are 2-3 girls who give him nothing for like 5 minutes lol then they open up.

 

[Velasco]

If you have access to it, watch RSD Max's infield in the Natural when he teaches the Million Dollar Mouth piece. There are 2-3 girls who give him nothing for like 5 minutes lol then they open up

And then they walk away. And he opens the girl behind him that was receptive to him and closes her (maybe...I know RSD be tricky with that camera work lol) You forgot to mention that part. Greenleaf isnt a rookie, mate.

 

[BigPapa]

All of my advice is field tested my dude. There have been PLENTY of infields of guys turning around rejections & disinterested girls. When a girl is disinterested and you show active disinterest odds are she would become interested or intrigued, at the worst until she gets the validation back. Of course HOW you do sth is more crucial than what. Cat String Theory, Game 101.

If you have access to it, watch RSD Max's infield in the Natural when he teaches the Million Dollar Mouth piece. There are 2-3 girls who give him nothing for like 5 minutes lol then they open up.

If she rejects you , you say something , then she reengages you , it means that it was a shit test , and that she was already attracted

If she rejects you , you say something , she does not reengages you , you start pimping , then you open her again and she is receptive , it means that she was not sure the first time if she finds you attractive , but since you were pimping around , now she is sure that she finds you attractive due to preselection

Even if she hates you let's say , it means that she is attracted to you , because otherwise why she would hate someone that does not mean anything to her

 

[YS.]

And then they walk away. And he opens the girl behind him that was receptive to him and closes her (maybe...I know RSD be tricky with that camera work lol) You forgot to mention that part. Greenleaf isnt a rookie, mate.

Bro... The point is they give him NOTHING for 5 minutes and then open up. Do you realize how fucking ridiculous that is? Nobody is saying red's are the easiest set to pull off or are easier for SNL's than sets who are already into you.

You're not gonna close every set that opens up to you for a vast myriad of reasons that has nothing to do with attraction. Have you even thought about maybe that girl and Max hooked up with simply clicked better and he only wanted to push the EXTREMELY HARD set for the camera? Why only go to the conclusion that fits your incorrect theory.

Why the fuck do you quote out the only relevant part of my 2 posts and twist it to fit your argument after person after person (Teevster, Razorjack, Skills, Gunwitch, Bacchus, Me) disproved what you've said with imperial field tested results. And then you take ONE LINE from 2 posts and just respond to THAT.

Come on bro...

Watch Todd's vid.

 

[Teevster]

Alright I am out of this thread.

It ain't my job to convince people here what it and what is not possible on the highest level. Gunwitch told me in private that actually, most guys DO NOT want to know and actually get provoked by such info, because it shatters their reality and make them defensive. We can see that clearly in this thread.

Nevertheless, another reason for me to stay out.

Have fun guys.

 

[YS.]

If she rejects you , you say something , then she reengages you , it means that it was a shit test , and that she was already attracted

If she rejects you , you say something , she does not reengages you , you start pimping , then you open her again and she is receptive , it means that she was not sure the first time if she finds you attractive , but since you were pimping around , now she is sure that she finds you attractive due to preselection

Even if she hates you let's say , it means that she is attracted to you , because otherwise why she would hate someone that does not mean anything to her

No bro. The shit tests are to see if you are attractive or not. If you're for real or not. To see some honest signals. That's how women gauge a man's attractiveness. You passing the shit test is IS ATTRACTING her. She's not necessarily attracted in the first place. Might be available and open (or even intrigued) but they are very different than attracted. You feel me?

Women. Reject. You. For. A. Million. A. Trillion. Other. Reasons. Than. Attraction. Itself.

You can't attract her with your behavior and then go back and say she was attracted in the first place, lol. What a self proving/circular theory that is. No way to disprove it as if you turn that shit around that means she is attracted in the first place, LOL. Come on guys.

 

[Velasco]

Bro... The point is they give him NOTHING for 5 minutes and then open up.

Did he close?

Have you even thought about maybe that girl and Max hooked up with simply clicked better and he only wanted to push the EXTREMELY HARD set for the camera?

If he wanted to disproof the notion that you cant close reds, he'd stay in set and try to close. Instead he figured it be a waste of time. And approached an equally cute girl that was interested in him.

I'm in the boat that you can build social proof/preselection PRIOR to approaching a set that you think might be red to you. But as Skills said previously - "one can argue she is not really a red at this point". Approaching a red while she's a red is a waste of time.

 

[YS.]

Did he close?

If he wanted to disproof the notion that you cant close reds, he'd stay in set and try to close. Instead he figured it be a waste of time. And approached an equally cute girl that was interested in him.

I'm in the boat that you can build social proof/preselection PRIOR to approaching a set that you think might be red to you. But as Skills said previously - "one can argue she is not really a red at this point". Approaching a red while she's a red is a waste of time.

Oh God...

Man...

Literally. I've posted a FIELD REPORT of that shit.

You know when PUAs go infield to shoot videos THEY WANT TO SHOW THEIR THEORY / DEMO THEIR SKILLS, NOT FUCK THE GIRL, right? A good infield is much more valuable (and harder to get) than another 7 for 200+ pull guys. Especially when those guys are in bootcamp (literally can't leave with the girl) and they have 3-4 girl rotations (are in sexual abundance).

Reasons he could've closed the other girl:

1) Better logistics.
2) He's more into her.
3) They clicked better.
4) She was better.
5) He fucked up the other set before.
6) Chaos of the night.
7) The girls were not available.
8) The girls had fucked up frames.
9) After he explained his theory infield he had no time for the stuck up, harder set. (Why would he, lol? We're not saying you SHOULD go for hard sets, but saying WE CAN.)
10) She was easier and he didn't want to waste time.
11) Him and the other girls were incompatible/vibe was off. Different personalities.
12) The girls smelled bad and acted bad.
13) The girls told him they liked Star Trek more than Star Wars.
14) Some other guy came and blew Max out.
15) He wanted to play the field (PUA's always do, they never stick with a set early.) and found a better girl.
16) The girls were bitchy and he didn't wanna deal with that after he demo'd his theory.
17) safdkjhafdkjhadkhagka. Jesus Christ dude, do you get the point?

How is this so fucking hard to understand Velasco?

Like how...?

And let me ask you a question.

Did I close? Did Razorjack? Did Bacchus? Did Skills? Did any of the people who gave you example after example of this shit?

Nobody is disputing yes girl's are easier to bed. THAT WAS NEVER YOUR POINT. Nobody -EVER- fucking argued against that.

Stop not understanding where people are coming from and try to open up for once.

Please, do not quote a single line of my post to respond back.

Thank you.

 

[Velasco]

You know when PUAs go infield to shoot videos THEY WANT TO SHOW THEIR THEORY / DEMO THEIR SKILLS, NOT FUCK THE GIRL, right?

lol ok bro

 

[YS.]

lol ok bro

Bro my best wing was the bootcamp assistant of Tyler, became RSD LA community leader and lived in the mansion for 1.5 years.

Translation: "Yeah, ok bro."

Most of these guys have 200+ lays but only 10-20+ good infields due to the nature of the infield and how hard it is to line everything up. A good infield demo is worth a lot more than a random 7.

If you actually think a lay is worth more than a good demo infield for these guys I don't know what to tell you man. Probably you have very limited business success in life and a lack of vision for these things if you can't actually see that VERY obvious fact.

When they go to film infield, they go to film infield not get laid. Most lays/pulls are boring, standard, full of mistakes, skills not obvious to the naked eye, not infield worthy. (Thus, cut a lot.)

A lot of incredible PUAs have TERRIBLE infields (like Adam Lyons) because how hard to get infields are.

Most Youtube/Product selling PUAs go out to film not get laid. (Mike Squattincasanova basically said if he didn't get enough footage he wouldn't pull willing girls and go for more girls to get good reactions for/demo certain skills for Youtube.)

And let me ask you a question.

Did I close? Did Razorjack? Did Bacchus? Did Skills? Did any of the people who gave you example after example of this shit?

Nobody is disputing yes girl's are easier to bed. THAT WAS NEVER YOUR POINT. Nobody -EVER- fucking argued against that.

Stop not understanding where people are coming from and try to open up for once.

Please, do not quote a single line of my post to respond back.

Thank you.

Can you answer this part, my good man? (Instead of quoting self serving lines like you've been doing for 13 pages.)

 

[BigPapa]

@YS. you look like a cool and smart guy so i think this can be settled only via a social experiment .

If you will look like a homeless guy ( basically having to create attraction from thin air ) and manage to at least get out on a date a good looking girl , then all this talk will end and you will be a victorioso

In addition to this , if you manage to pull out this , I will also be your personal slave for 1 year and whatever you want me to do , including washing your ass , feet , etcc , basically making you feel like the emperor of the world .

What do you say ?

I do not want to be a dickhead , but my belief is that people like to over estimate their abilities in general , and things can only be settled via a social experiment , especially when they tend to get good in a particular thing

 

[YS.]

@YS. you look like a cool and smart guy so i think this can be settled only via a social experiment .

If you will look like a homeless guy ( basically having to create attraction from thin air ) and manage to at least get out on a date a good looking girl , then all this talk will end and you will be a victorioso

In addition to this , if you manage to pull out this , I will also be your personal slave for 1 year and whatever you want me to do , including washing your ass , feet , etcc , basically making you feel like the emperor of the world .

What do you say ?

I do not want to be a dickhead , but my belief is that people like to over estimate their abilities in general , and things can only be settled via a social experiment

Bro I've gamed dressed like a dumbfuck hippie for 2 years. (Tanktop, shorts, converses, retarded hats, bandanas, jewelry, being somewhat fat, balding, zero money.) I don't know if it qualifies as homeless but definitely low status, outside of the status hierarchy.

Much easier to get girls than looking like I own very successful companies like how I dress now. (Mostly in a 3 piece.)

This money and looks thing is fucking retarded. It really really is.

We already talked about it in the other thread my man.

PS: I don't want you to be my slave my man but check out the Fearless infields from Max. He dresses up like utter shit, eats garlic, doesn't shower and goes on an insta date with a cutie. It's all in your head my G.

EDIT:

God, I'm getting all too pissed off, emotionally invested into this thread. Goddamn it's like an astronout who went to the moon arguing whether the moon is real or not. ROFL. I dunno what else to say man. Shit feels fucking crazy.

I love you all. Nothing I've said was out of hate.

But my God you guys are frustrating. Literally blinding yourself to everything that you don't want to see and nitpicking lines to respond to.

I don't know why I've invested into this thread so much. Much be the Corona bullshit getting to me.

Peace out guys! I've said all I've said here.

Love ya all!

 

[BigPapa]

Bro I've gamed dressed like a dumbfuck hippie for 2 years. (Tanktop, shorts, converses, retarded hats, bandanas, jewelry, being somewhat fat, balding, zero money.) I don't know if it qualifies as homeless but definitely low status, outside of the status hierarchy.

Much easier to get girls than looking like I own very successful companies like how I dress now. (Mostly in a 3 piece.)

This money and looks thing is fucking retarded. It really really is.

We already talked about it in the other thread my man.

Yes ... and I totally agree with you

But in the same time you are also making a very bold statement , by saying that attraction can be created from thin air . On this logic it means that you can be a hobo and still pick up any hot girl at any time . One thing is to pick up medium and cute girls ( i mean you were a hippie and most likely you were picking up some cute girls , but usually this was not the norm - plus most likely the girls you were seducing were also hippies one way or the other ) , and a totally different thing is to seduce hot girls being at the lowest point on the social ladder , but this should not matter if someone can create attraction from thin air .

Again I do not want to be a dickhead , but very bald statements have to be supported by very bald social experiments , otherwise it is just talking over a couple of drinks with your friends , then you blackout and that's it , no one remembers anything from the previous night haha

 

[YS.]

Yes ... and I totally agree with you

But in the same time you are also making a very bold statement , by saying that attraction can be created from thin air . On this logic it means that you can be a hobo and still pick up any hot girl at any time . One thing is to pick up medium and cute girls ( i mean you were a hippie and most likely you were picking up some cute girls , but usually this was not the norm ) , and a totally different thing is to seduce hot girls being at the lowest point on the social ladder , but this should not matter if someone can create attraction from thin air

Bro. I'm saying attraction is not static. It can be generated or reduced. Ofc there are baselines and I believe not being unattractive (disqualifying yourself) is more important than being attractive. All of game is based on generating attraction by being attractive or acting attractive. If you have certain extremely off putting things ofc they can brush girls off due to the attachments of that.

Being homeless does not only effect attraction my G. It causes A MASSIVE LACK OF COMFORT AND FEAR. It's not about attraction. She literally is disgusted, afraid by you and you're not in her reality/tribe. I'm not talking about that shit AT ALL.

But it's so so so nuanced. You wrote a good reply so I replied back. You seem a reasonable guy too.

I'm just saying attraction is not static or binary.

And no amount of attraction you can generate would be enough (you probably won't have a chance to generate attraction) because there won't be any social comfort that would allow a girl to talk to you in the first place.

You wouldn't talk to an attractive homeless girl in a dark alley in Pakistan wanting you to come to her no matter how attractive she is and how attracted she is due to FEAR and lack of social comfort. (Because she's gonna mug you.)

Not everything is about attraction. These extremes examples fuck up so many things other than attraction.

That is all.

 

[BigPapa]

Sorry mate for being a dickhead , I really hope I was not that rough with you . But if you felt that way , just so you know it was also with a little bit of love haha

 

[YS.]

Sorry mate for being a dickhead , I really hope I was not that rough with you . But if you felt that way , just so you know it was also with a little bit of love haha

No worries bro. But please do check out the Fearless infields, they are eye-opening. Max already did your little challenge for you. Went on a date and all. No need to be a slave, love ya too.

Fuck man, even Neil Strauss back in the day made people dress up like shit and not shower to break these BS beliefs. I'm not saying it helps but it definitely isn't the defining factor.

Like these concepts were solved 20 years ago, there lies my frustration when they pop up over and over again with conviction.

Again,

Much love