Attraction - Can it be Generated? - An Introduction to Compliance-Based Game

[BigPapa]

@Proactivity I agree with what you say till a point , and that point is that even though some girls will like you more than others , it does not mean that you should not try to seduce the ones who are less attracted to you , because it will be stupid not to , especially if you like them .

I mean let me give you an example of what I am talking about.

I am a dark hair guy with olive skin , and yes most of the girls I have been with where white towards blonde kind of girls , because hey I liked them a lot too ( most likely is about the theory that opposite attracts ) , but then when I went for the first time In Stockholm and saw some really interesting girls ( mixture between iranian & swedish , especially those with blue eyes) basically my heart stop and was like " wow " .

Sure we kinda had the same kind of skin type , and noticed that they were more the yellowish and red side of the spectrum , but the attraction on their side was still there ( just not as high & obvious ) . If it is was worth it , for me it was , because I am the kind of guy who likes challenges ( dunno just make me feel alive as you have this emotions pumping most of the time ) . Sure I will not do this unless I really like the girl or her vibe , but I just feel that people on this forum focus too much on quantity, and sometimes they forget that quality is also important, if not the most important

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Man I think there is something to the saying that you want what you cannot have. By dismissing you and lowering your value, women are somehow making you invest more into them or taking up more of your headspace in some cases. I have learned over the years and lived by the philosophy that women I have a shot with or are greens and yellows as this thread says deserve my best. I am going to be around them having a great time, making them feel good, and focus most of my energy on them. I had to actually train myself to do this after high school, it is not something you naturally do.

Why should reds and women who somehow seem to hold a lower opinion of me from the get go get more of my investment? It’s like saying you give your attention to people that hold a low opinion of you and try to prove yourself to them. Not sure how this is healthy and sane, give your best to the people that actually deserve your best, not to win over people not meant to be won over.

As for the whole opposites attract thing, it is more cultural than biological I feel. I used to struggle with tanned brunettes as a swarthy guy myself, see story earlier in thread, but over the years I have gotten a lot better with them. I notice majority of the times it is her culture that determines how much she might be into darker men as opposed to wanting to grab the whitest guy possible. I notice in America that ethnic groups that were historically not considered white but became more accepted into whiteness, yet some social doubt lingers among some, will try to distance themselves from non-whites as much as possible.

Take a tanned brunette from Ireland or England, she’ll happily go for a guy who looks like me or even a guy who isn’t one. One of my Arab friends looks like Mo Salah and slayed in Ireland years back, even getting with one woman who looked like a young Courteney Cox. If he was to go to Spain, he’d have more than an uphill battle since the Spanish look down on Arabs significantly more than the Irish. Not say he couldn’t score in Spain but goes back to my original point, why even bother?

 

[Skills]

Why should reds and women who somehow seem to hold a lower opinion of me from the get go get more of my investment? It’s like saying you give your attention to people that hold a low opinion of you and try to prove yourself to them. Not sure how this is healthy and sane, give your best to the people that actually deserve your best, not to win over people not meant to be won over.

?????? reds do not necessarily have lower opinion and nobody is trying to prove themselves to them.... The way you are re framing guys and the reasoning for getting reds, is totally incorrect....

A lot of reds you just do not register in their radar and they have 0 opinion on you one way or another, they are not paying attention to you.... and NOBODY is trying to PROVE (strong choice of words)....

Please re-read how some guys are gaming reds and how they do it, so you can get a better understanding...

By the way this post has never been of is better to game green and yellows....

The whole point of the post is to say is possible to game reds and convert them to green....

 

[BigPapa]

@Skills you promised a new thread on your strategy about dealing with reds , which me personally I am looking forward to read

 

[Grand Pooba]

A lot of reds you just do not register in their radar and they have 0 opinion on you one way or another, they are not paying attention to you.... and NOBODY is trying to PROVE (strong choice of words)....

Isn't this a yellow?

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

But why @Skills?

That is the point I am kind of missing. With so many women out there who are receptive to you if you are a sexy man, why spend so much time or effort going after the unreceptive or dismissive ones? Just me sharing my experience but the only way I can see this being remotely worth pursuing is if you have a "type" like some users have but that type does not feel the same way about you. I had the same roadblocks when I went for tanned brunettes, being a swarthy guy myself, and I just flat out ignored them after not having any success.

After focusing on women I could have success with and going for the ones who were into me, the ones who were my type that wouldn't have paid attention were now slowly staring to go for me. I think it is a waste of time and energy to go for women who are truly reds or unreceptive, I just don't get the point. Is it an ego thing?

 

[Teevster]

But why @Skills?

That is the point I am kind of missing. With so many women out there who are receptive to you if you are a sexy man, why spend so much time or effort going after the unreceptive or dismissive ones? Just me sharing my experience but the only way I can see this being remotely worth pursuing is if you have a "type" like some users have but that type does not feel the same way about you. I had the same roadblocks when I went for tanned brunettes, being a swarthy guy myself, and I just flat out ignored them after not having any success.

After focusing on women I could have success with and going for the ones who were into me, the ones who were my type that wouldn't have paid attention were now slowly staring to go for me. I think it is a waste of time and energy to go for women who are truly reds or unreceptive, I just don't get the point. Is it an ego thing?

You do as you please. If you do not want to go through the hassle, it is totally understandable.

But keep in mind:
- SUPER HOT BABES do not grow on trees. Secondly those who exist will not always be receptive to you. So in many cases, a bit "more" will be required to get them.
- Not every night out is packed with hot girls who are into you. Some nights, there may even be very few girls in clubs (if that's never the case in your city, then you are just lucky). Some nights the general quality of the girls outside is pretty low, with only a few hot girls. If you want the few hot girls, you may have to "work".
- Some of us, love pussy only, others love pussy and the game itself. I am one of the latter. Some have this as a hobby. May be hard for some to understand but it is true. For you it may just be a mean to an end (get pussy) - which is ok. For others, it is more.

You guys may keep pushing your narrative that "it is not worth it to give attention to those who are not initially into you". But it will not convince those of us (me included), who have had amazing relationships and amazing sexual intercourses with amazing women who were not initially into us.

Skills had a girlfriend for 10 years that was one of those. You guys may keep saying it is not worth it, but I doubt he will be convinced.

One of my mains, is one of those girls, and she is my prefered one. You may keep saying it ain't worth it. Fair enough, but it simply won't convince me.

Give people a shot, before categorically claiming they are not worth it.

Best,

 

[Teevster]

Isn't this a yellow?

Most girls who are not into you from the get go, are at worst indifferent to you - i.e. "lack of attraction".

It seems to me that in your head those so-called reds are girls who have a hatred for you pre-opening. Well this is not the case - most are at worse indifferent to you, that is if your:
- You have not been mass rejected or reject aggressively infront of her.
- You do not come off as a threat or have a super polarizing vibe that triggers some kind of anger in her (you really gotta push it to trigger this).

The above can be easily avoided. The fact that you even have a mental category of girls who are below indifferent to you, is worrisome. You are either doing something wrong, or you simply have a flawed perception of things. I think it is the latter.

OK, sure there are some exceptions to what I said above, such as some women who outright hate men, or women who hate you because you look like her abusive ex. Those will actually be not into you and hate you - you may call them super-red. I will agree that those cannot be turned, but these are such a small fraction that you simply cannot make a cathegory out of them.

Remember, any frame-works in social science open up for the possibilities of "outliers". I do not care about exceptions.

I care about the general rule.

Also, I never said you could turn around EVERY red.

Best,

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

You do as you please. If you do not want to go through the hassle, it is totally understandable.

But keep in mind:
- SUPER HOT BABES do not grow on trees. Secondly those who exist will not always be receptive to you. So in many cases, a bit "more" will be required to get them.
- Not every night out is packed with hot girls who are into you. Some nights, there may even be very few girls in clubs (if that's never the case in your city, then you are just lucky). Some nights the general quality of the girls outside is pretty low, with only a few hot girls. If you want the few hot girls, you may have to "work".
- Some of us, love pussy only, others love pussy and the game itself. I am one of the latter. Some have this as a hobby. May be hard for some to understand but it is true. For you it may just be a mean to an end (get pussy) - which is ok. For others, it is more.

You guys may keep pushing your narrative that "it is not worth it to give attention to those who are not initially into you". But it will not convince those of us (me included), who have had amazing relationships and amazing sexual intercourses with amazing women who were not initially into us.

Skills had a girlfriend for 10 years that was one of those. You guys may keep saying it is not worth it, but I doubt he will be convinced.

One of my mains, is one of those girls, and she is my prefered one. You may keep saying it ain't worth it. Fair enough, but it simply won't convince me.

Give people a shot, before categorically claiming they are not worth it.

Best,

If you factor in nights out not being packed with hot girls, then this makes more sense. I have tried to cultivate an abundance mentality to think hot girls are everywhere but truth is some nights you go to a club or bar and there are two to three approachable sets.

As for loving the game and being challenged, I get that and borderline used to be that dude. My epiphany was that I transformed to being a guy who felt more leaning towards being nicer and spending time with girls who are nicer from the get go. Even if I do run into girls that give me a tough time at first, I only go for them if they remind me of girls I have already had success with in the past. Case in point I game hot blonde basic girls who act like bitches but I still game them more since I have been with so many hot blondes basic bitches and gotten validated by them so much.

I've trained myself to love girls more who were receptive to me from the get go, especially if they are hot, while knowing that it is a guy's instinct to treat hot girls who were initially bitches to him better.

 

[Teevster]

As for loving the game and being challenged, I get that and borderline used to be that dude. My epiphany was that I transformed to being a guy who felt more leaning towards being nicer and spending time with girls who are nicer from the get go. Even if I do run into girls that give me a tough time at first, I only go for them if they remind me of girls I have already had success with in the past. Case in point I game hot blonde basic girls who act like bitches but I still game them more since I have been with so many hot blondes basic bitches and gotten validated by them so much.[

So then I must curiously ask, why stop here - why not be open to explore further and get success with yet another type of women, and activate those triggers with an even bigger pool?

This is kind of what I opt for.

I am not saying your calls are wrong, just curious about your reasoning here. At this point we are discussing personal preferences.

I've trained myself to love girls more who were receptive to me from the get go, especially if they are hot, while knowing that it is a guy's instinct to treat hot girls who were initially bitches to him better.

That's a chode thing to do with some weird complexes. No top tier seducers (that I know off) do that.

I wouldn't even say it is a "guy's instinct" to do such a thing. It is a certain type of guy who does that.

Best,

 

[Skills]

@Skills you promised a new thread on your strategy about dealing with reds , which me personally I am looking forward to read

Actually if you read the op and a lot of the responses is already cover, i was trying to explain more in depth (on the bullet points of teevester go more deep into examples)....

It will take a long time, but i will see when i have more time i have huge test tomorrow so after i will...

 

[Skills]

But why @Skills?

That is the point I am kind of missing. With so many women out there who are receptive to you if you are a sexy man, why spend so much time or effort going after the unreceptive or dismissive ones? Just me sharing my experience but the only way I can see this being remotely worth pursuing is if you have a "type" like some users have but that type does not feel the same way about you. I had the same roadblocks when I went for tanned brunettes, being a swarthy guy myself, and I just flat out ignored them after not having any success.

After focusing on women I could have success with and going for the ones who were into me, the ones who were my type that wouldn't have paid attention were now slowly staring to go for me. I think it is a waste of time and energy to go for women who are truly reds or unreceptive, I just don't get the point. Is it an ego thing?

Teevester is doing a good job answering, same thing i would say with less break down, he is better than me in some case articulating in some others i dumb it down better in this one he kind of answer right, i will just add a bit...

As you start sleeping a lot with women, you will develop a type(you totally got it right), and you will have less of pool of women to select from (aka you have slept with a lot of girls that you develop a type you are drawn too).... and as teevester says when you go out in to a venue specially now a days is not that much of a "so many women out there" on a given night(specially your type)....

If the girl is to the point of "un recepetive" you totally fucked it up and you are too late, and you did not calibrate, "dismissive" that is fine, but again you really do not want to get to those points...

Is not much of an ego thing but a desire thing... (some guys do it for the ego, but most guys is not ego is just desire, just like when you desire anything else)...


P.s. i Promise i will go in more detail when i get chance...

 

[FunGuy]

In my opinion attraction is like being comfortable, being comfortable is more about not being uncomfortable than being comfortable. What does that mean? Basically that you don't have to be knock her socks off, just don't be repulsive. If she finds you unattractive there is nothing you could do to game her. Women aren't that different from men, there are certain girls who barely meet our standards who we would fuck only if she did all the work, girls we would only fuck if we are on a slump etc, but regardless there are girls we wouldn't get anywhere near with no matter the circumstance.

I think the problem is that some men overrate the "barrier of entry" that it takes to pass a women's standards. This is slightly off topic, but has anyone ever become unattracted to a girl once you found out about a guy she has been with? Remember, all you need is a 65 on the test, but if you get a 65 on the test you need to make sure you complete all of the assignments and do well on the finals if you want to pass the class. You have to do a lot more work but its still doable.

 

[Skills]

Isn't this a yellow?

yeah i think this is the problem with the misunderstanding with the post, cause i believe that when the guys are thinking red they are thinking of those girls that walk away, and tell you to fuck off, or push you away....

But if you are calibrated, and attractive you will not get those harsh reactions even from reds they will just be indifferent to you like you are just there...

Some Reds= no investment, no complaint, not attracted, indifferent


the yellows= give you a chance at least you are in the radar they are just less invested in you than you are in them, but at least they give you a chance,, "can take him or leave him"

the greens= they are a bit invested, a bit of a fan, cheering for you not to fuck it up...

Also is not all reds that can be converted is some of them. You take the reds to yellow and then to green.... curiosity, changing states, invisible traps, involuntary arousal, emotional spike etc...

Grand pooba i think if you think hard I guarantee you, you had a red that when to yellow and then to green...

 

[FunGuy]

On another note, this whole green yellow and red thing is stupid. Its a yes/no, shes either attracted or not, there is no in between. That is just a way of mentally masturbating. Just because a girl is unreceptive doesn't mean shes not attracted to you, she could have lost her purse 15 minutes ago or a million other things. Its stupid to categorize a women in that way, better question is, do I have the energy to deal with this woman right now?

Also, its impossible to tell if a women is uncompliant because she finds you unattractive, because you have bad game, because shes loyal and has a boyfriend, or because thats just her personality. A women will never tell you that your ugly, so in many cases you will never truly know why you are being rejected, its all speculation. Unless its obvious, there is no reason to put so much energy intro trying to figure out why shes incompliant, just move on and find one who is.

 

[BigPapa]

Also, its impossible to tell if a women is uncompliant because she finds you unattractive, because you have bad game, because shes loyal and has a boyfriend, or because thats just her personality. A women will never tell you that your ugly, so in many cases you will never truly know why you are being rejected, its all speculation. Unless its obvious, there is no reason to put so much energy intro trying to figure out why shes incompliant, just move on and find one who is.

I do not agree with you , and let me tell you why.

If you have good game , then it means that it is not your game the "problem"

If she has a boyfriend , she would still flirt with you if she finds you attractive ( this does not mean that this will move further from the flirting stage )

If this is just how personality is but finds you attractive , she will have a lot of emotions pumping through her head , and with some experience you will manage to make the difference

If you exclude all the above , then for sure she finds you unattractive and you have to improve your fundamentals so you can access that type of "talent pool " .

Good looking girls are by default more on the yellow - redish line ( unless you are close to her dream guy or high status or have social status ) , so by not wanting to get field feedback and thus improve yourself , your game will never really improve to a point where basically sky is the limit , and like others mentioned , it really depends on your objectives , if you value more quantity then makes no sense to focus on this type of girls , but if you value quality over quantity then you will want to improve your game further. Same thing if you are rookie , makes more sense to focus on the green ones , as they are "low hanging fruits" and thus helping you get experience and pump up your self esteem

As an example , in my case , I just have a devilish look & feel ( at first ) so girls have higher walls when approaching them , and girls usually are green if they are super attracted to me , but in the same time it does not mean that I do not get a lot of approach invitations , just that they do not really see "my type" of guy so they do not stick their head that much ( just like the turtle when does not know if you are friend or foe )

 

[greenleaf]

Also not all reds that can be converted. Just some of them

Teevs said the same thing 'i'm not saying you can get all reds'.
So maybe the ones that can't be converted are the ACTUAL 'reds'. (thus reds can't be converted)

I also think , even if girls are willing to hear you out etc, she could still be a red with zero attraction towards you, and despite running game with negs and teases and cold reads and sex talk etc etc, she'll never allow you to escalate due to lack of attraction. Certainly happened to me many times lol

 

[BigPapa]

Maybe the ones that can't be converted are the ACTUAL 'reds'. (thus reds can't be converted)
I also think , even if girls are willing to hear you out etc, she could still be a red with zero attraction towards you, and despite running game with negs and teases and cold reads and sex talk etc etc, she'll never allow you to escalate. Certainly happened to me many time lol

Rather than negging them , try to escalate by self depreciating humor with sexual intent . A guy that has the balls of making fun of himself means that he is quite sure on himself

Something along the lines , " i understand why you are giving me that look , it is because you find me extremely attractive , but i do not want to let you down once you all over me in your bed " , then you go very close to hear ear and whisper her something stupid like " i have a micro penis" then you move back look her in the eyes and start laughing . Then you might say something like " but actually I am good kisser" or "I am very good with my tongue " while showing and moving slowly your tongue ( for 1-2 seconds ) and having a warm smile combined with a piercing eye contact .

 

[greenleaf]

Rather than negging them , try to escalate by self depreciating humor with sexual intent . A guy that has the balls of making fun of himself means that he is quite sure on himself

Something along the lines , " i understand why you are giving me that look , it is because you find me extremely attractive , but i do not want to let you down once you all over me in your bed " , then you go very close to hear ear and whisper her something stupid like " i have a micro penis" then you move back look her in the eyes and start laughing . Then you might say something like " but actually I am good kisser , or very good with my tongue " while showing and moving slowly your tongue ( for 1-2 seconds ) and having a warm smile combined with a piercing eye contact .

ha
The 'neg' was just an example (since everyone has a different definition of game anyway)
I've tried it all though, and I have my own view on what's possible and what's not, just like everyone else

 

[BigPapa]

ha
The 'neg' was just an example (since everyone has a different definition of game anyway)
I've tried it all though, and I have my own view on what's possible and what's not, just like everyone else

Maybe you are not really doing them that well , this kind of things are not easy to pull. For me it took a long period of time to deliver this kind of comments just right , mainly after I started not taking myself seriously at all .

But as you can see in the example I gave , there are multiple things performed more or less in the same time : self depreciating humor
+ sexual intent + creating intimacy ( you get super close and whisper her a "secret" )
+ breaking rapport ( you move back to normal )
+ sexual tension (when you move back to normal , you do it in very slow way, so your face is very close to hers when backing down )
+ good fundamentals
+ penetrating eye contact .

Too much of anything and the mix is just ain't right