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ChrisXKiss

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yeah - seems like it was 100% the name thing that caused the switch in the russian girl. I'm so bad with names and thats usually unrecoverable for a lot of girls if you directly forget the name on the approach (has happened to me a few times). possible you could turn it around with elite game - but seems p tough to me. enjoyed reading your thoughts tho - seems like you are generally pretty aware of where you mess up which is a good skill to have.
Thanks! Yeah, I feel I could handle the name thing, just by staying unfazed and being honest that yeah I really just forgot. But I was not expecting it, because normally I ask them to write it and they do, so it's a good experience to have for the future, and a good motivation to try and pay more attention to the names ( which I feel I did today unconsciously ).

If we were in person maybe I could do something, but now from the phone I think I will just do what I said. Tell her I love enjoying the feminine energy of women anyway, and try to get her out as friends, trying to build the tension there. Not hoping about it a lot though.

Another issue with this kind of women, especially Russian/Ukrainian ones is that I have a lot of trouble sexualising the interactions and getting to fast sex. I feel that although they are very feminine and I love it, they give off a very conservative energy when I am around them, talking and acting like finding one serious relationship is very important and how they don't like open relationships and sleeping around. They also expect to have things paid for them, and I don't mind paying for the first date, but I'm talking about women that although they make their own money, they are used to never paying for anything in their relationships. So according to their culture not paying basically disqualifies you as a dating prospect right away.

At least these are things I have felt. It is possible I just cannot set the right frames with them, and that they would be up to having quick sex with the right hot guy, and even pay for his food and drinks. But they feel so firm about this stuff.

I have to say that the first girl I ever brought to a seduction location the same day of a cold approach was Ukrainian, so clearly it can work when they are hot for you, but this was also a girl on vacation in a random city so not many frames needed to be set about what we were doing.

Maybe I should just become so sexy and unapologetically sexual that they will simply have to respond to me according to that. And now that I think about it, it's not that even the non conservative hot girls parade in my apartment, so it probably has to mostly do with fundamentals in the end. And the rest is simply the way of women of different types to reject you.

I have to figure out for sure how to talk about my views on relationships, fast sex, openness etc though. Because I feel I rarely manage to match the vibe of women I meet regarding these areas. I will either come off as too much freedom seeking, or I will come of as someone basically hoping to find a girlfriend. I have to find the right spot. Maybe just commit to portraying certain views no matter the girl, and expect that my frame will be stronger. I feel I change and calibrate to girls too much sometimes, and it feels like I am trying to say things that they would want to hear to sleep with me, without me fully meaning them.

Anyway, this was a bit out of topic, but I met another Ukrainian girl today and spent some time with her, and had exactly the above issues regarding how to portray the interaction as something sexy and fun.

So I should start being way more clear, decisive and strong regarding the frames I set.
 

ChrisXKiss

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Posting again after not long this week, because something urgent came up and I had to travel back to my home country for few ( hopefully ) days. I'll be with family here, so not very easy to get to a lot of stuff done seduction wise these next days, that said I am mostly concerned about the girls I leave behind.

I had a date planned with a very cute one on Sunday, that I had to cancel with a voice message. Told her I'll probably be back next week and I'll get back to her, and we can plan something then. I also have some other numbers ( and an e-mail lol ) I got these last days, that I won't be able to see for a bit, so I have been thinking how to keep them interested after the approach when there is a gap of some days that we cannot meet, and I don't even know when exactly we could meet.

If anyone has any material in mind for such situations, keeping a girl interested while far away before planning a date, I would appreciate it. I am looking around for similar things, and have been thinking myself. One thing in my mind is that if I try to chat with them a lot during the trip it will be needy, if I don't keep in touch at all though for a week before planning a date, they will simply forget me. So I was thinking of maybe sending a photo here and there, or maybe a check in text after few days.

I also got the number of two very young girls, so this was some improvement regarding that age group. Sadly the first one immediately asked me after my icebreaker how old I am, I told her to guess about a day later and haven't received any response to that. I think I should have responded earlier, and also my vibe during the interaction was too much serious older guy hitting on young girl. I was trying to be highly authoritative, but I think I came off too rigid, so I understand her text message. I still have to work on the exact vibe to use with this age of women.

The second girl though, felt more promising. I think we spoke not even for a minute at a street stop, she asked my age, then she told me she is 19, and I responded with the "yeah, I normally date girls a bit older than you, I hope you are more mature". And it seemed to work, I saw a flash in her eyes, something like "oh, ok you have my attention", and then she told me "ok we can exchange contacts and chat", and had to run.

I have no idea though again how to keep chatting with a 19 year old via text. I mean generally I go for a close pretty fast, I am not much of a texter, and I have also seen in some post that young girls respond better to teasing in person, so I don't know how much it would make sense for me to keep texting back and forth with her, I feel it will be tryhard.

So that's where I am right now, will have to see what I can do texting wise to keep some of these girls interested until I get back.

In other news, I did have a date with the Ukrainian girl yesterday in fact, and I could not break her frame regarding looking for something committed at all. From our first meeting I did not challenge it more than saying: "I believe that two people can freely get together eventually, but it needs time to explore and find out how how it works between them". So I couldn't reframe it much more yesterday. I guess I could write a report but after going to two bars, she rejected my invitation home saying she doesn't do that when she doesn't know me yet, and she rejected my kiss saying the first date is too early for that.

Now this is not a young shy girl, she feels conservative, but also quite energetic and talkative, a bit older ( was very surprised about my age as usual ), with a life of work-gym-sleep. Petite, blond, very stylish, working in the beauty industry with plastic surgery on her lips, and she was grilling me a lot about how long my last relationship was, why it ended etc, while when I asked her how she is with men and what she likes, she was saying it is too early to talk about that. She did tell me though, that she likes talking straight, she is tired of being thought as a stupid pretty blond that wants money, she believes men don't have balls anymore, she wants someone who can be intelligent and active so that she doesn't get bored, and she broke up with her last boyfriend because he had told her lies in the beginning about being open to family and kids and but then was saying he is not really that type.

Anyway my point is I talked, I danced, I pretty surely had a relaxed sexual vibe throughout the evening being hard a lot, but I never saw any escalation opening. After rejecting my invitation home I went for a kiss twice just to know I did it, but both times she turned her mouth away firmly. She would sit on my lap though, let me hold her close and brush her hair, even hold her hand from time to time.

So I really don't understand how she would expect all this to progress even if she wanted a relationship. She would kiss at date 3 and have sex at date 7? It doesn't make much sense to me. She is not living in my city and was there only for few days to visit a friend, so maybe she just wanted to feel the validation knowing that nothing more would happen? She could always relocate though if she wanted something really serious.

Anyway I did love her feminine energy, but I simply feel I am wasting my time sometimes with these girls, and I should probably start setting my frames way more firmly, and if I see that they hold on to theirs regarding conservatism, serious dating and no quick sex I will leave them faster for better prospects.

I believe one issue is I move too much like water, trying to find the frame that would match the woman in front of me perfectly for fast sex. I feel that sometimes when I say: "I believe in enjoying the moment, making connections, following what your heart says and being passionate expressing what you feel. And as you spend time with someone you feel how you match and where you want to take it", it doesn't come off well enough as a lover frame. But the thing is that when I have tried to say" I feel like meeting people, not looking for something specific, enjoying all forms of connections, mental, spiritual, sexual" it hasn't made me much more of a lover, results wise at least.

And in the end I really think it is how I come off. Because I have a feeling that whenever I try to set a lover frame verbally it appears to be incongruent. Meaning that I feel so much like a boyfriend that it seems borderline insulting for a girl if I express I want sex and nothing much more. It's like a thought of: "This guy that is clearly not much of a sexy lover, but more of a nice boyfriend type, wants to sleep around casually? Why would I do that, he only wants me for sex?". I believe I have to somehow go from this to having a girl sexually excited with me enough that when I set the frames it feels more like I'm giving her hope for something more, and less like I am offering less than my vibe suggests.
 

ChrisXKiss

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Quite interesting writing this entry. I have been in my famliy's house for a number of days and generally not approaching or having any romantic interactions. I do feel that my general mood changes when I am here with them in fact. I mean generally I am less motivated to do stuff, it's like being in a microcosmos where different things seem to matter and I don't feel the drive to pursue the things I do when I live alone.

Of course I could in theory just live the exact same life, and treat it as living in a different house, so a lot of this is a product of my own mind. That said there are also some practical considerations, I live in a house with my parents in the next room when here, and also pretty far away from both nightlife and even good daygame venues.

In the end it is a pretty sudden change in my way of living when I come back for some days, but at least this time I didn't have a huge drop emotionally. I feel it has to do a bit with the fact that I kept exchanging texts with girls that I had approached previously. So I still had the feeling that I am working towards something with women and making some progress in that area.

How practical this has been we will see soon. I'm going back to my home in 2 days, and already have a date planned for a day after that. I will also try to plan some more with the girls I kept texting and of course get back to approaching daily.

These last days have been an interesting experiment regarding how to keep in touch with girls you just met but can't see for about 2 weeks. The thing I went for generally is sending a photo with a nice view from my area, and also answering back to their responses keeping a funnish vibe. I also tried to calibrate to the different discussions as I saw fit, so I'm curious to see whether I will get any real life meeting after that and with whom.

I did think a bit about how to time the messaging, day and time wise, as well as the responses, and also kept a pretty big gap of some days without responding in order to not feel very available when I am literally in a different country. I also decided to send a text to every single phone number I have gotten since September, more as an experiment to see how many would answer and if anything could happen with old numbers. I have gotten some answers, it feels a bit difficult to create compliance and go for a close when you barely remember one another sometimes, but I'll give it a try, you never know I guess.

The main thing now as I go back to my daily schedule is to start getting more effective with all this approaching I have been doing. I believe that setting the right frames during the interactions/dates is one of the most crucial parts regarding that, and I have to find the right balance there. I mean communicating that I am sexual but in a way that doesn't feel like I just want sex.

I'm saying it because I have been seeing all this very much as a skill lately, so most of the time during the seductions I'm focused on how to do the right things to get the girl to sleep with me. This is of course important because I want to improve and find what gets results, but I have a feeling that it comes off a bit calculating and like a have a certain goal I am going towards which is sex.

I have to figure out how to convey my frames in smoother ways, so that I do feel sexually open, while also caring about the girl. And maybe I also have to be a bit more screening, meaning that if a woman is not up for the sexual connection I have in mind to simply let her go. There is a fine line there between letting her go too early and being persistent, but I do feel that I come off as too needy for sex sometimes.

Now, I don't think I come off as too needy about the specific woman that much anymore, but probably too needy about the result of the seduction if it makes sense. I want to complete it and get the lay, in the same way that someone wants to complete a mission in a videogame. So I have a feeling I should tweak some thing about my interactions so that it doesn't feel I'm leading towards sex until she has at least showed me interest and qualified herself to me.

This natural degree of checking if the other person is a good fit for me is something I lack a lot. Until now, every kind of deep diving or qualification has been basically a technique for me to get sex with the girl no matter who or what she is. Probably it is part of the learning curve, that said I do want to start getting more real in these seductions.

Seeing the girl for who she is, appreciating her feminine nature, exploring her approach towards sex, and leading towards it if it is the right fit. I want to be extra careful here, because I still want as much experience as I can get and to push towards the deed, so what I am talking about is basically building the interaction in a way that my frames are established better and then I can work through them.

I think it will also help with the issues I had of having friendly dates, or girls not coming home, or coming home but doing nothing. Some clearer frames and presentation of mine as a sexy and sexual guy that pursues his interest for the girl nonchalantly is something to work towards.

This first date I have planned could be a good start with all this, because this woman from her texts felt like she wanted to get to know more about me, so I am sensing that she is angling for something a bit serious. Let's see though, I can only meet her, present what I want and see how it goes.

All in all, I'll be getting back to actively being in the field pretty soon and I am excited. Everyday I stay out of it feels painful in a way, because it is the main thing I want to get handled in my life right now. And it may take years but until I am getting exactly the women I like the most firstly in bed and later in whatever form of longer commitment I feel like, I am not stopping.
 

ChrisXKiss

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Let me try something. When I started this journal the plan was to be making one post per week at least. In fact sometimes even this feels a lot time wise, but there are other times that I may be be more free and feel like writing, so why not be a bit more flexible. I am usually forgetting most of the approaches at the end of the week, so by writing some stuff in the middle of it, it could also help me get more aware of what's exactly transpiring during these interactions.

I flew back home this morning, still lacking sleep due to the early flight, so my whole vibe is pretty slow let's say. I went out to grab some lunch and made some approaches before and after buying it while holding it in my hand as take away.

First approach she was walking and did not even stop. She was wearing headphones but I could persist, since I did not even go right in front of her but opened kinda over the shoulder. Anyway it was the first one after almost two weeks, so I cut myself some slack.

Second one she stopped after using excuse me twice, also in headphones, but looked young. Asked her age, she was 16, so I told her I don't want to go to jail, half laughing, and wished her the best.

Third approach, I told her I saw her walking and she looked lovely, almost instantly responded she had a boyfriend and wished her the best.

Fourth approach, I saw two young girls walking towards the opposite side of the tram station I was passing by. One was very short, but with flashy high heels, and quite suggestive clothing, the hot weather helped, so I felt something inside me. They went and sat at the the station, in fact my girl was sitting, the friend was standing in front of her, with a bunch of people around, so I thought whatever, let's go gung ho straight up to her, it's not that I have much time to make it way smoother with the tram coming in two minutes.

So I crossed the tram rails, went up to her and the immediate moment I started addressing her, she fixed her sitting position and closed up. I was thinking whatever, let's go all the way since I came. I said that i saw her crossing the rails and she she had something really lovely about her. Maybe she gave a dismissive thanks while her friend was looking at me up and down, I don't remember exactly, but it was pretty awkward, since I was clearly unwelcome.

Still decided to stay and ease into the tension for practice. Told something along the lines of the weather being beautiful and they look like they are going to something fun. I saw the tram coming so I excused myself, saying I have to go and wished them the best. Heard them laughing as I was leaving, but I am happy because I felt that it didn't affect me at all.

After buying my food I started walking back home and saw a girl talking to her phone next to some bars. I started walking towards her, and my idea was to decide whether to approach or not as I was getting closer. Not the best choice to eventually do an approach, but I was feeling pretty low energy, so wasn't that much in the mood of interrupting a phone call.

So for the fifth approach, luckily not only she stopped as I was passing by her, but she also turned and looked at me for a second before turning back to face the bars. I took it as an approach invitation and went and leaned next to the bars myself kinda close to her and opened her. All this came so naturally to me that I honestly don't remember the opening line here. Maybe something about how chill she looked standing here at the bars, but I wouldn't really bet on it.

We talked for a bit, she is in my city just for some weeks in the summer for some kind of internship, she was trying to pay a gym but didn't have a card, so she was talking to the phone with friends to find what to do. I was pretty low energy as I said, tried to tease a bit, or she was basically teasing herself. She said she was workingat the hospital, so i said are you a doctor, nurse or what, snd she was like no a surgeon's helper, not a surgeon, and she was moving back and forth by herself seemingly having fun, while I was just saying that at least I hope she can give him his tools well. I generally wonder if I came off a bit too aloof or bored, was the first slightly longer interaction with a girl after some time, and maybe i didn't get playful enough, I did feel moments of tension though. I guess some amount of bored aloofness can help eventually, that said I should try to check the right amount.

She said that she was looking forward to discovering the clubs as she likes partying. I asked if she enjoys having some drink from time to time as well, and she said yeah, but is more interested in clubbing. Around that point I said let's exchange numbers. Not a good move thinking back now though, because it felt like I was taking her number in order to go party to a club with her. This also bit me later because she told me she lives here with her friend and they work together at the same hospital. Around then I said whether it's possible to also see her by herself or they are always together, and she asked me if I want a date.

I don't think I handled this very well, haven't heard something similar in a while too, since normally my interactions are pretty much about me and the girl right away, but here we got into her friend and their fun times while living here. What I said was something like: "I said nothing like that, you are the one who did, and puts all the pressure on me now". My thinking process was to use a chase frame, that she is pushing me to date her by saying that, but I feel it wasn't a very immediate answer, and it looked like I was thinking in my mind while responding, so didn't land that well. Her answer was: Let's go party first and then we see.

Then I told her she really is into partying, she told me she is from a party city, I looked her up and down and told her that yeah she gives me that kind of crazy vibe, she then said she is also dressed like that because of the good weather, and we could also go chill by the lake. By that point I had the feeling she was pushing a lot for social circle activities so I was losing interested. It's not abnormal of her though, she was with just one friend in a new city for few weeks in the summer, of course she would want to make some social connections there and go out with them to have a good time.

Anyway she said she was waiting now to see what will happen with her gym and asked if I live close to where we were. I told her yeah on the other side of the train station, she mentioned that her gym is there as well and I told her cool, since you are around we can also go for a drink at some point there is a very nice bar close to here. Then I wished her luck with the gym and left.

Some minutes ago I sent a text with my name saying I hope she found a way with the gym, felt it was fitting as an icebreaker, since some tiem had passed, but I don't have much hope for this number. I mean she probably wants someone to go and party with, and apart from not having a party social circle, I normally just go to the clubs alone, I am not interested on investing on a party night out at a techno club like that. I don't know if something good could come out of it, but feels like too much without much potential. I think I will just evade if she asks to go clubbing during the weekend, saying I am out of town, and then propose something for the two of us during the week. I am open to suggestion regarding how to handle this though.

Sixth approach a fast moving moving going towards the platform inside the train station, she was quite cute and stylish, saw her and ran behind her a bit, tried to open from the side and she got quite scared. I told her I'm sorry and didn't want to come so suddenly, but she looked so lovely when she was walking. She smiled immediately, so I told her I don't know if she is married or not, she stopped me and told me she was engaged and getting ready to get married still smiling though, and I told her that's sweet, I would have invited her for a drink if not, but I understand, and wished her the best.

Seventh approach, I was passing from another tram station few feet away, yeah too many of them around here, and I saw a fairly attractive woman crossing the rails towards my side. I stopped her, gave an opener and realised she doesn't speak english. In fact almost immediately after I approached her, a guy came from the other side next to her and talked to me and told me she doesn't speak english. I asked him if they are together like a pair, he said yes, so I told him I saw his girl passing by and she looked really lovely so I wanted to come and tell her.

It was funny because I was very genuine saying this to him, wit a warm appreciative smile, no intent in my heart to get between them, but he still looked at me very defensively and basically took his girl and quickly moved away without saying anything. Always interesting to see such reactions.

Eighth and last approach, at that tram station on the other said a girl was sitting by herself. She seemed cute from afar so I decided to go, I could take that tram towards my place anyway. I walked past her, she was extremely focused on her phone and didn't see me. I opened with an excuse me, she didn't hear. Second excuse me nothing. Walked a bit backwards waving my hand to her nothing. Eventually I started waving my hand very close to her cellphone keeping a smile and she finally saw it, or decided she couldn't keep evading it who knows.

I told her she looked really casually classy, like she is not even trying but it is there, and she took it very positively. I asked what she is doing around and she said it was her dream to come leave here and she's only been for a while, so I said wow I like this place but you are an even bigger fan. I asked what bus she is taking, and I said, which was true,: let me sit for a sec I'm taking the same.

Then as i sat left a moment, felt she wouldn't contribute, so I asked her whether she came randomly here just because it was a dream or she had any plan. She told me she one and she was like but I'm leaving in two months. I kinda burst out genuinely laughing telling her that's how much she loves it, and kinda gave a small push towards her bag which was between, like a: "get out of here". She laughed as well, but not sure if that small move was good, maybe too friendly playful.

Anyway the bus came, by the way yes the bus also passes from the tram station, we went in and as I only had a station I asked her if she will be around during the summer and was ready to get to a drink proposal, but she said she is also going to move together with her boyfriend in that other place. So I said I understand, she is destroying my heart but I will survive and in the end I wished her the best in her new beginning and got out of the bus.

Then reached home, and wrote this while eating the food I still had in hand all this time.

Something to note is that I had a very relaxed non reactive vibe in general. I think I only lost it for a bit when the girl told me that I want a date. But still I was quite calm, maybe too low energy in the beginning in fact. What I have seen when I am like that is that people hardly believe that it's real sometimes, like how is it possible that he is coming in the middle of the day to hit on me and he is also so chill. Towards the end of this small outing I think I also tapped a bit more into my playful energy and I feel I reached a fairly good balance of playfully pursuing something but being fully fine even if I don't get it. Not that I have perfected this, but I feel it's a good goal to move towards as much as I can.

Thinking now this got bigger than I expected, so won't be getting into this much detail regarding all my approaches, or I will have to be making this journal a full time job. That said if I feel in the mood and have time I will be getting into this kind of posts, both for me to think back on the approaches but also for anyone who may read it, because I feel having a totally unfiltered and raw presentation of all approaches during an outing, helps to see what can be expected and that even the worst scenarios that can happen ( not stopping, laughing behind your back, her boyfriend coming out of nowhere etc ) are really not that serious.
 

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I want to be quite transparent with my highs and lows and today was quite a low in general. First of all I had a date planned that the girl canceled yesterday. She asked me to meet later than originally but I told her that I had to go to my dance class later so I couldn't, and I asked how her next days look. To this she simply said ok, and honestly it's the second time she doesn't come to a date, so not sure if I will even try anymore, maybe once again after some time simply to follow the 3 time rule.

In general it was a weird day, had a very light uneasy sleep so I was feeling quite non energetic, at some point I even had a strong headache. Didn't go out approaching, but went to my dance class. In fact I did make one approach on my way there. I stopped a girl asking if she is spanish, she just gave me the vibe and it was the first thing that came to mind, she said yeah but living here and if I want directions, I told her I just found her very cute and she told me she had a boyfriend so I went on.

There were some other girls I could have stopped, but a mix of me running late for the class, and them coming from that direction and maybe attending the same dance school made me hesitate. This was wrong and generally I should just leave home earlier to have time for approaches and also nothing can go too wrong with a respectable approach even if the girl sees me again.

Anyway I went to the class, hadn't danced for almost 3 weeks due to my trip, so I was extra rusty. And in a way this always creates some kind of the opposite of winner effect for me. I end up feeling that I am the guy most girls would want less to dance with and it's not really good. To the point that sometimes the girls come to ask me for a dance because I am sitting out of the dance floor not trusting my ability to offer a pleasurable dancing experience.

Another reason that my mood is affected negatively every time I go to that class is because there is a girl there that is absolutely my type and I am basically reminded every time that I cannot be with her. I do approach girls a lot, and I believe if I saw her outside I would simply go up to her, and if rejected I would be sad for a moment, but then forget her and go for the next one. But having her in the social circle is quite an emotional burden, since I see her again and again without expressing anything.

Just to be clear I didn't go to the class for her or any other girl, I really wanted to go and dance to the point that I have kept my social interactions with others to a minimum to not give the impression that I want anything more. But she does have something special at least for me, so much that although with all the other girls I wouldn't mind even being just friends, with her it's painful to even think getting closer but not romantically.

It's probable that this is because I feel I could not get someone like her. I mean she is slim, taller than me, blond, with a face that speaks to me a lot. Basically how I would describe my ideal woman, and I have never succeeded yet with a girl like that.

The biggest issue though, trying to analyse why I feel the way I feel, is that she is a girl that at least looks wise I could consider for a bigger role in my life. And the problem here is that I am worried that if she, or any other girl like her, really got to know me, she would eventually reject me.

That's not an issue I have cold approaching usually, because I don't even care about the women getting to know me more, I just care about seducing them to sleep with them, but it is something that I have in mind generally. I mean the fact that yeah I am cold approaching a lot, working towards improving my skills with women, but honestly the rest of my life is kinda empty.

I mean I don't have a job right now and not really any stable friends ( basically one guy in my home country we text daily for non serious stuff, and then a bunch of different people I may go out with every few months where I live now ). And I feel a bit ashamed of not being able to land a job and not being productive in my life, so this affects me when I also meet people, autorejecting them, before they can find out these things about me.

Of course all this creates a negative spiral, and my initial idea was that I could get out of it when I can manage to eventually get a job, but it doesn't seem to be coming, and the longer I wait for it the longer my social life suffers.

The thing is this also affects me in cold approach, because I am sure I subconsciously show the girls that I simply want sex as fast as possible, because I don't believe I can offer anything more to them right now. And I am not that sexy yet, so the results are not coming.

Regarding this specific issue what I have deicided to do is to get much more into sexual topics and framing, and also increase my sexual vibe, in order to prime the girls for this kind of interaction. Still having some anxiety regarding sexual performance doesn't help with all that, but I have to go that way to have more sex and shatter it anyway. I know I can be present and I know I've had good sex in the past, so it's not that I'm unable to.

Regarding my life in general, the one thing I want to do is starting to have a more specific schedule regarding upskilling activities in my area of job search, while maintaining time for game. The most important thing is to start working towards something in a more focused way, in order to improve my general outlook.

For the social part, in fact I am ok with it right now at it is, as long as it doesn't hinder my game. And I feel there are tactics to approach going out alone, and unless a girl starts seeing you regularly she won't even know your social life. What I have an issue understanding, and I may make a separate post eventually to grasp it better, is what exactly are the expectations when you start meeting a girl more regularly, and whether your social life ever plays a role and in what way.

And regarding the dancing, the classes are over for the summer. Good for me as I can still practice either by myself at home or at social events, but without the pressure of being around all the people I know and having to perform great. Generally in socials I also find less experienced dancers so my winner effect can still stay strong, compared to the almost everyone better than me class. And I won't be seeing the girl, so no more feeling bad about that. Maybe I can also succeed with another one like her in the meantime and be way more chill in the future.

Because really, this combination did let me feeling pretty low after leaving the class tonight. To the point that I didn't make any other approaches because I was really not feeling it. I knew that my energy was so sad/defeated that wasn't supportive at all to the outreach program that meeting women is. That said this also a good lesson, because even at my worst mental or emotional state, I should always approach, because firstly you never know when a girl finds you exactly her type and doesn't care, and secondly by having some interactions with cute girls quite probably your vibe will change to the better anyway.

Worst thing that can happen is that initially in the interaction you feel a bit down and not in the mood, but we only have today anyway, and if changing the mood simply by yourself is impossible, maybe a sweet girl will be willing to see the masculine core behind all that darkness you carry and help you illuminate it.
 

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I wanted to order take away to go out and approach some more but I accidentally ordered delivery so I decided to write a bit while waiting. I did about 17 approaches today, maybe a bit more I'm so bad at counting them exactly after a point, but let's keep it around there. Out of them I got 2 numbers, and got 1 instant date.

These percentages may not sound bad, but the truth is from the two numbers I don't expect much, and from the instant date not a lot more either. You never know of course, but this is my feeling.

In general I felt a bit rusty conversationally wise, which makes sense after this 2-week break of not approaching, the good thing though is that I had at least some good receptions to my approaches, smiles and thanking me even though they were married or in serious relationships. Even the ones that didn't respond well I feel I didn't handled badly, they were simply in a different headspace.

My fundamentals have been quite off as well, I really need to cut my hair and beard a bit, but I wanted to give it a try and go like that to the most expensive shopping street with all the classily dressed people. I do these things sometimes, maybe going not dressed very well or not in the greatest mood, just to see how it will affect me and how I can overcome it.

What I noticed today is that it affects mostly the first impression. A lot of the single women will instantly feel that they don't want to talk to me. I'm trying to find ways to turn it around, but it is a pretty fast reaction. I feel that I have to practice opening in a high authority way even more, I am having some troubles getting in the right mindset for it because a lot of times I may open older women than me, maybe taller, more muscular and more well dressed, and it does feel a bit incongruent to come off as an authority over them.

I think I should just practice it though, there is something I don't get right with it regarding how to stay warm while presenting a higher authority, and I come off overtly serious about it. And when I try to be more warm and playful I may receive some good reactions but it clearly feels like I am more in an equal position. Maybe it also has to do with the fact that going high authority does feel incongruent with how I present myself, so it feels I will get tested back a lot on it. So it's probably just about going all in, treating all girls as silly and cute no matter how they look, what their age is and what they do for work, and owning it.

That said, even like that, I managed to get two numbers, meaning that these girls at least got intrigued by me, and I also got an instant date. Funniest thing is that the instant date girl wasn't even speaking english, so the whole interaction was made through google translate.

I am not extremely happy with this instant date though, because although I took her from downtown with a 30 minute tram to a cafe next to my place, I didn't go for a pull, because she was telling me she had to leave in a very short time. She didn't even finish her coffee before we left the coffee place for her to catch a train.

She is living in a different city, so the whole scenario with her not even speaking the language makes me think that the possibility of us ever going out again and something happening is extremely small, so maybe I should have tried to have her ditch her friend she was going to meet and come to my place.

I didn't get any big signs of her being ready to get pulled though, so I thought instead of getting a no there, and creating a negative compliance regarding coming to my place, it would be better to seed that I do play guitar and know some other cool places around, and maybe we can go there some other time. We will see how it goes, generally I don't go for instant dates anymore when I feel I can't pull directly after them, but I probably wanted to see where I could lead this one, since the language barrier made it an interesting experience.

All in all, it wasn't a particularly bad day, the fact that I am taking most rejections positively is something I like. One that did affect me a bit was of a very stylish tall woman with high heels that was kinda towering me and even told me she is single but I could see I didn't even register in her eyes as a man before she walked away. And I do love these types of women, stylish and as tall as me or even more, but I rarely get them to receive me as a guy they would potentially sleep with and I'm not gonna lie, with all other women it is fine, but with them it hurts a bit, because I can't stop wondering if this is due to my height that I cannot change.

I know that it is possible to get taller girls, but what I want to figure out is how to have them consider you as a sexual option straight away from the approach. That's why I feel I should go more all in with the high authority opener and also maybe get more physical in other nighttime scenarios. I have a feeling that many such girls are physically stronger than me, so maybe I am subconsciously afraid that if I do an assertive move they would not like, they could hurt me, so I pull my punches somehow during the seduction without realising it.

So naturally treating them as silly and cute and leading them as anyone else is something to work towards. And generally also coming off more authoritative and sexy is something to also work on, especially on how to blend these two together. Apart from that I will keep approaching, improving my conversation and also texting the girls I'm in contact with always moving towards getting together.
 

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many such girls are physically stronger than me,
Hmm are you actually going for big girls? Because even if they are tall, if they are also slim you could still be stronger than them.

I personally don't have a particular interest in taller girls, but someone once told me "they are used to dating guys shorter than them." Made sense to me at the time...
 

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Hmm are you actually going for big girls? Because even if they are tall, if they are also slim you could still be stronger than them.

I personally don't have a particular interest in taller girls, but someone once told me "they are used to dating guys shorter than them." Made sense to me at the time...
I wouldn't say I go for big girls particularly, I do like them tall though. Slim would be my preferred type, there is something about the model like body with small breasts and naturally round butt that I find very appealing, that said I do get fairly excited by tall women with big breasts and butt and more toned bodies.

The thing is though that I am pretty skinny myself, so unless a woman is model thin, any other build around my height or more will weight more than me probably. This doesn't really mean they will be physically stronger by default, but I know for example that I won't be able to carry them or throw them around, so there is a feeling of difference in size that is not only about the height.

If I am with a bigger girl that is shorter, at least the feeling that I am taller balances the whole size difference in my mind. And I don't really have an issue regarding my skinny appearance, aesthetically I mean I don't care. But I think that subconsciously it does make me feel that I could not handle a bigger woman physically.

So especially if she is taller and with not slim body size, I have a feeling of how could I even dominate her if she can probably overpower me when she wants. And I want to mention here that if I get her in bed I will dominate her with moves I can pull off no matter the size difference, like hair pulling, butt slapping and even give commands or grab her head and push it on my penis.

So I'd say the only practical problem would be that I couldn't do escalation moves like picking her up and really manhandling her, but I guess you can escalate the whole interaction without needing any big physical moves. If I reach the point that the girl is obviously attracted to me giving signals I will lead and continue to treat her as any other girl more or less.

My issue is until I get to that point that she is open for me. I find it hard to see how I can get her to feel sexually interested initially if I feel small to her. Like how could you even submit your body to someone that seems like he could not physically protect you?

But in the end I do think that most of it is inside my mind. If they do seem bigger in all aspects like height, weight, muscles it is quite probable that initially they will feel no sexual interest in me. But that's exactly why I should have a strong frame and presence, to help them see that even if I cannot physically shove them on their knees, I can very much command them to fall on their knees in a way they would love to follow.

And that's why I talked about the authoritative opener and being sexy, to show that no matter the size difference they are still silly and cute little girls for me, and no matter how they test this frame, I remain unflappable.

I feel this can also be an excellent way to really strengthen my frame, because I do feel sometimes with shorter girls that there is some initial attraction just by looking down on them physically so the game is different there. And to be honest I find it a bit boring, when going for girls that are tall, big or even both I feel a different form of excitement.
 

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Interesting day today, since it felt kinda empty but it still had things inside.

First of all I met with an old friend of mine. Or let's better say a girl that once liked me, I never did anything, so eventually we stayed friends. But we were never really very close and now we kinda meet once per year.

The funny thing is that one year ago when we went out and I made some moves on her at a park bench she told me that she was a virgin, and this was something that was bothering her a lot, so we ended up discussing about sexual topics quite a bit.

Today we met again after a long time to catch up, and although I had initially planned to go and have a drink outside, it started raining like crazy, she texted me what should we do now that it rains, and I just told her to come to my place to make cocktails.

She agreed straight away and basically came minutes after that as I had planned our meeting close to my place and she was already there. The thing is that I came off a bit nervous, because I hadn't planned to make cocktails at home so I got stupidly worried about what ingredients I have and what to make and she even told me I looked a bit more stressed that usual. I explained her that it was because I didn't plan to meet at home so I was trying to find out what to prepare.

Anyway, we made the cocktails, sat to drink them and she was keeping quite a distance from me, and wasn't very receptive to the small touches I was making. We got into what changed in our lives, and she talked about how she eventually lost her virginity and told me a bunch about guys she met, and different weird things they did or told her and how she now has one guy she wants to dump, another she wants to have sex with in some woods because they both live with their parents and a third one she met at a trip in Spain and cannot forget.

During all this time I was kinda teasing her, and providing insights about how guys think regarding sex and was also expressing how I think. I went for a kiss once, she turned around and didn't want it, so I stayed there and continued to talk. She told me that we are friends, I said yeah, she asked if I kiss my friends, and I told her yeah if they are hot. In general her vibe was that she likes a lot how open I am about what I want, and that many guys are lying to get sex, while I am more clear as I told her I am not promising her a relationship or anything serious, and that I am mature for my age and know what I want.

We continued talking about these topics around sexuality, relationships etc, she wasn't really opening up, she told me she had a date after me with the guy she wanted to dump and one after that with the guy she wanted to have sex with in the woods, so I was like yeah I can help make the dumping easier, and went for another kiss, which she resisted with her hands as well. Was not expecting to succeed but wanted to go for it for reference points.

The whole vibe during the discussion was that I even told her that she knows my place, so she is free to pass by whenever she feels like she wants some sex, just calling before, because you never know with whom I will be with. After some time she left to go meet the guy and dump him, and in the end I told her see you again maybe in a year, and she was like yeah and you never know which one of the dates you will be then. And I said well, we won't be together so you can't dump me, and then she said maybe you'll be the third one.

In general I feel that I am clearly sexual with this girl, I think she is probably still attracted a bit, but she doesn't feel very comfortable doing something, in the sense that she knows it will be just be casual. I did tell her how for me every sexual experience even for one time is meaningful, and how I care about the girl I have with me and want to share something wonderful. At some point she told me how some guys come off as fuckboys and then pretend they are not, I asked her what she thinks of me, she said I am not a fuckboy but she doesn't really know what I am, I just seem to know what I want.

Not sure whether I could have handled this better today, I wasn't hoping for much in fact but wanted to to go forward and see what would come out of it. She is a sweet girl, but I do think we have an established relationship now that it would be difficult for her to come and sleep with me in this once in a year catch up meeting.

After she left I cleaned a bit, had some food, and despite having a headache and stomachache I went to out to throw some bottles in the recycling bin and walk around approaching in my area. Not the biggest success as it was late, but I had 8 approaches.

First one didn't even stop, but it was quite weak from my side. Second one was wearing headphones also made signs not to disturb her, but I could feel it wasn't because of business, so I persisted a bit, talked and walked with her as she started giving me some attention, and eventually let her go after she started ignoring me again.

Third approach was one that was pretty solid. I sat down with a 21 year old girl that was waiting for a train. Quite a sweet one, but I could see she was very anxious talking to a stranger. She even told me she doesn't go out a lot and just stays with her friends, she studies medicine and her hobbies are knitting, painting and ballet. I stayed there relaxed and talked to her mostly to show her that it can be fine to interact with a guy, and I wasn't sure how it would go because she seemed extremely socially inexperienced.

I told her I really liked her energy, she had something very calm and sweet, and after asking to go out for a drink or coffee, she insisted to take my number, and I generally don't do it but with her I felt that she was so fragile that pushing to take hers wouldn't really make a difference. So I gave my number, told her I'll be around for a bit in the summer and she can text me during that or after that, then stayed and talked to her a bit more before her train came. I don't expect anything coming out of it of course, and to he honest, she is also a kind of girl that I am afraid I would break without really intending to, so it's probably better that way.

After that I had one approach, the fourth, to a girl that I felt was immediately attracted to me. I stopped her and she stayed there looking at me with eyes full of desire, she couldn't even speak english well, I just got that she was going home and didn't have time, I took her number, and asked her when she would be free next week for a drink. She said Friday, so I feel I have everything ready for a meeting here, let's see.

Fifth approach was a girl standing at a bus station. I gave her a compliment and immediately she responded thank you and good evening. And I was a bit shocked, so I told her what, I didn't finish. She told me she was waiting for a bus, and I said I understood and only wanted to ask if she was married. She said yes and with kids, told her I respect that and wished her goodnight.

After that I approached another girl for the sixth approach, standing and talking with a friend. Gave her a compliment on her style, after telling them sorry to interrupt, but she wasn't receptive either, not even speaking english well and her friend told me at some point she has a boyfriend so I didn't stay more.

The seventh approach was actually pretty fine. There was a cute girl waiting at a train platform chilling with her back against some bars, playing some kind of nintendo portable console. I passed by and told her she looks really lovely or something similar. My opening wasn't very good in fact I was fairly far, trains were passing so she couldn't even hear me well. But I managed to ease into the interaction, asked what she is up to, told me she is nurse, loves it and goes home after work, and asked me what I am doing at the platform and I told her and showed my plastic bag where I had the bottles I threw to the recycling bin. She said that this is good and it means I care about the planet, I said we all do, hope she does as well, she told me everyone does unless they are rich, to which I said well but then the planet doesn't really care if you are rich or not, and I asked her if she is. She said rich as a nurse? and I playfully answered I don't know she could be a millionaire with a hobby of nursing, she did say she loves it.

In general my point is that the conversation had some nice flow, I took some pauses to let her contribute but also filled the gaps, after the first couple of exchanges she took of the headphones and put the videogame in the bag so she did focus on me. So I am happy about that, since also her type was more alternative, and I generally don't have the best experience with these girls, feeling I come off a bit too proper for them.

Sadly the train came very fast, as I was getting into what else she likes doing. I noticed it and asked her if that's her train I would like her number. She told me that she lost her phone and won't have it for a while, so I asked if she remembers it by heart. She gave it to me, real one as I texted it, but said she really won't have it for a while and will be away from the city. I told her maybe for the distant future and let her go in the train.

She wasn't even that enthusiastic when I asked for the phone, and although conversationally I wasn't bad, I think that the sexual tension was lacking a bit anyway, I was standing a bit far from her, and also the transition towards the number close was a bit rushed.

For this last part, I guess it sometimes will happen in public transport game as it's not always easy to smoothly move through the conversation to the close with the clock ticking for the public transport to arrive. For the sexual tension part, I have to increase my sexiness and the authoritative vibe when I approach as I said in the last post, that said I have to calibrate it as well, since some of the girls are pretty defensive and I feel they need some warming up. I surely have to play with it more.

The last approach was a cute girl at the tram station, that I immediately asked her age, she said 16, and I told her she looks sweet but is a bit too young and left.

All in all nothing too crazily unique today. My approaches could have been a bit smoother, that said I have to say that going around the train station at night is a bit of a difficult ground, since a lot of people have walls up for weirdos coming to talk them, and they are also after a long day wanting to go home.

Apart from it I have to start checking regularly how my body feels and what my state is when I am out. There are times when I feel extremely grounded for example and others that I am just jittery. And I think it has to do with what I have eaten, how tired I am, how comfortable I am in my clothing and more. So it will be valuable to see how I could take care of my body to achieve the preferred states, since they make the interactions come way more naturally man to woman.
 
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I'll just make some notes today without getting into the specifics of the approaches. I probably ended up doing around 30 approaches in total, 20 during the night and 10 during the night around my area. I got 3 phone numbers during the day that have all responded to my icebreaker already and nothing during the night.

I did mention yesterday how going around the train station at night is not the easiest to get people to engage with you, that said I do feel that the vibe you have is so much more important. My eyes felt extremely tired tonight so it was difficult to even have the right eye contact and facial expressions, so I feel I came off too stiff.

And in general I would say that the state of the body is by far the most important element for the first impression. I have noticed for example that if I go out before eating and I am hungry, my breathing gets more shallow and I cannot project my voice well. It is very difficult to do belly breathing when your belly is struggling. It's also difficult to access your sexual state in such a situation, since the genitals are connected to the upper body through the belly.

I have anyway learned to approach no matter how I feel, physically or mentally, but it is an uphill battle if you are sleepy, or tired, or hungry. I have also stopped drinking soft drinks for some time now since they were making me jittery, and have also stopped going to certain fast food places for similar reasons.

I still need to take more care of my everyday schedule though, meaning manage my sleeping hours better so that I go to bed earlier and don't wake up around lunch time losing half the day. And also plan my meals better, sometimes I just forget to eat and postpone it. I feel these things are important because apart from taking good care of yourself, you also build discipline and self-respect.

The thing is I have had that during studies, and maybe now with seduction that I will end up so focused on it, firstly going and approaching, then consuming content at home, also spending time managing the texting that I can easily end up occupied with it a bit too much.

So I feel I should organise certain blocks of time to work on these things, and then work on other stuff, at least if I want my general life to be functional. In this direction I will also come back to making one post per week mostly, just because no mater how small of an update I want to make, when I start writing it gets out of hand.

Besides that, it's quite possible I will be having some dates this next week, and my general goal would be to present myself more sexy and get into more sexual topics. Not sure if I can just decide to be sexy and it will work, but I surely need to work on it, since I get the feeling that most women are simply not seeing me as the lover they would be excited to have sex with.

It's like I may be talking about sexual topics, and they may be finding them interesting, but they will still not come to my place or sleep with me. And this is frustrating because a lot of women tell me that I am mature, I seem to know what I want, I am open and don't lie or try to weasel my way into sex, and well of course there will be someone out there to match that, but not them.

And the thing is I cannot even function in the normal guy mode of ok let's go to date after date and at some point maybe we'll have sex. For me it's more of a: well you don't find me hot enough to come and sleep with me in 1 or 2 dates, what am I even doing here? I truly find it a waste of time to keep going after that.

I simply think that for me being desired for the sexual experience I provide is the one thing I mostly care about, and whatever else she does doesn't really matter as long as she keeps coming back to me for sex.

Or maybe that's the place I am at now because I really want to feel desired as a sexual being and I have had enough of being a nice friend, a great student, and the stable guy that you would eventually settle down with.

Anyway, my point is that I have to increase my sexiness and sexual energy, because this is what I want to be the basis of my interactions with women.

And to go full circle in this post the state of the body and the mind is extremely crucial to be able to present your sexual energy and virility.

So we'll see, I feel it will be an interesting week, I have some texting conversations to manage but it seems promising for multiple dating experiences.

PS. It has never happened to me before but I am in the middle of planning a date with a girl I don't remember at all. And I mean I obviously approached her, but I have no memory which approach it was, where, what we talked about, I even saw her photo in whatsapp and it didn't ring a bell. It's really strange, I approached her literally just a month ago, I think that after she ignored both my icebreaker and my voice message I simply erased her from my mind.

Then I sent the same ping from a holiday picture to all my numbers, she really bit, and now we are getting ready to meet. She did tell me she wants to meet a bit further away from where I requested, close to my place basically, so we'll see how that goes, but going to meet a girl I hardly remember feels extremely surreal to me.

At least I trust my approach judgement, so if I went for her once, she surely was worth it.
 

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Ok let's do one to close the week. Quite a chaotic day seduction wise, had an instant date I posted on the field reports, and some other numbers, but I'll explain what I mean.

First of all there were some messages I wanted to send to girls regarding dates planned during the week. I confirmed two, one of them an informational one, the other she wanted a dinner so we'll see how it goes. I also have one date tomorrow that I am gonna have to check if it will happen, a bit afraid of a flake since there was no response to my last message fixing the exact location. Apart from that I didn't send some extra scheduler texts I wanted, because I hanged out with some friends forgot, then had the instant date, night came and felt weird for me to send them that late.

Anyway this shouldn't be that bad, I can send some tomorrow. I also forgot to text the one number I took at lunch time until the night, so I should be more focused on sending icebreakers early no matter what I am doing. During this midday approached I was a bit off in fact, so even the number I took didn't feel very solid, opposite to the approaches I did after the instant date.

I feel that having a beautiful girl enjoying your kisses gives you quite a confident boost when you go to talk to other women after that. Got 3 numbers there, and at least one looked quite good, and even the rest of the interactions were mostly nice but with attached women.

Interesting to note that when I approached this girl I had the instant date with, I wasn't feeling good at all. I had eaten some sweets and pizza with my friends, also wanted to go to the toilet and was feeling very off, totally not in a seduction vibe. But I decided to pass by downtown and make some approaches anyway, which let to this insta date pretty fast. Shows how no matter your state going to approach is the most important thing.

I also experienced something interesting today when I left my friend's place. Another friend of mine proposed to drop me downtown with his car and his girlfriend who would be coming with us got visibly annoyed. I think I should have told him I would take public transport, but since he asked and generally before he got the girlfriend this was a pretty chill scenario, I took the offer.

The thing is that I feel they had planned to go somewhere else, and then the girlfriend was like no I am not in the mood now let's just go home, because I went together with them. At some point we were talking inside and he also lost an exit in the highway, and she kinda snapped from the backseat, telling him that he knows he cannot concentrate on driving and makes mistakes when talking at the same time, and that she is not in the mood at all to spend more time inside the car today.

Anyway fairly awkward situation, don't think I'm gonna be getting in his car in a similar scenario if he has to deal with that. It's surely his issue though to manage his girl, because I don't care how many mood swings they get, this for me was a pretty unacceptable thing.

All in all I had a bunch of approaches in different time periods today, probably 20+, with varied results. I feel I should start organising a bit better when I do them to control the state I am in, of course still doing them if I happen to be out and about. And organise my texting a bit more so that I don't lose leads for no reason.

Regarding this last one, still struggling to close numbers I got after few seconds of conversations with a girl basically running, because I don't see a good way of going for a soft close first. It feels way more natural to just do a hard close right away, so maybe I will start using voice messages right away to make them more personal, and see if it can increase the date percentages.
 

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Yesterday the day was empty, and today about 25 approaches. In fact I had a date that flaked yesterday, then another spontaneous one that kinda flaked as well. And that's fine, I don't care much about the flakes themselves anymore, I just have to learn to not devote too much mental energy in the dates before they happen, because before the date I may check how the house is, how my body is and if I should trim any area more, what to wear, and in general small details that I should have more organised beforehand to not get anxious about them in the end.

And also if they ask for the date to go later, I kinda lose my focus and don't know how to pass the extra time, I find it difficult to concentrate on other things. Maybe I should just start not caring, and only check my phone whenever I want, and after plans are made and the girl tries to reorganise, it's not my problem if I see it late.

Apart from that, I had the date I posted in the field reports today, and I have another one tomorrow. The tomorrow one is a girl that wanted dinner, I asked for a drink and she said she preferred dinner or lunch, and I'm thinking where to take her. I have two places in mind, one has a more fast food vibe, the other is a bit more fancy but nothing crazy, and price wise they should be similar. My plan is again to go towards being sexy and sexual, and at the same time try to connect with her emotionally.

I think I still have a subconscious block towards that, mainly because every time I have been sexual girls seem to enjoy it but without coming with me eventually to my place, while when I go less sexual, they may come to my place but not sleep with me if I try to escalate. So I really have to find the right mix there.

I've had dates where the girl just came home at some point, and I could feel that she was basically ready, but these seem like the minority, as most of the times it feels that at the first date they come with a different mindset, especially when from daygame. So I have to work on bringing them to the right mindset for the sexual experience to take place.

In other news not much success taking numbers today, in fact I got one from a girl that seemed pretty excited and into me but I think she made a mistake as she was writing it in my phone, because she was rushing to catch a bus, and I cannot find her in whatsapp. This was the only number from the daygame approaches, I did have some other nice ones though, especially those I mentioned in the field report.

I was also thinking how difficult it is to just stop an extremely sexily dressed hot woman and have something happen. I mean I saw that one today that looked a bit like a stripper walking outside at daytime and although I think my approach was fairly solid when it comes to my vibe, I just couldn't help and think how it would be possible to get girls like her.

I mean it feels like every single guy in the city would dream of having sex with her in the way she looked, and I suppose there can be the extreme scenario where you approach and she totally likes you, but it feels like the game here is different.

Of course improving fundamentals would get me even more visible to these women, that said I do think that they would require a way to spend a bit more time with you to really get interested. With this girl for example, I was having some very confident eye contact, and I could see her expression go a bit like: wait, who is this guy?, so I think she clearly felt my energy, but I got the idea that she would just not consider me as a prospect unless she saw some proof that I am as confident as I looked.

Anyway, for now in my life, I am focused on getting girls generally, after improving I can think more specifically about how to work with way more in demand girls consistently.

During the night, I went out to take food and did some approaches. Funny thing I almost forgot to buy the food until a girl I approached asked me what I was doing out. But it was an interesting outing.

I saw and approached again one girl at the same exact spot I had seen her the first time. The interesting thing is that she had told me by text that she is extremely busy during the summer and has no time to meet, so I didn't push more. And now when we met she was all smiley and happy, and couldn't believe how we happened to meet at the same place twice, and was extremely receptive to having a date in 2 weeks that she will be more free.

I asked a bit how her summer is going, she asked back my plans, and I was pretty happy to meet her again but with no real neediness there. After the approach she even texted me it was funny to see me again at the same place and sent me exactly when she could meet from the dates we had discussed. I guess some women take fate and meeting people randomly twice too seriously.

Another nice approach was a woman I saw having just stopped talking to another guy, that I walked and caught up to as she sat at a bench to wait for a train and approached telling her I love how feminine she looked. That was a fairly older but very girly Ukrainian lady, and I sat with her until her train came.

It was fun, I kissed her hand, even stroked her neck a bit, and I was quite playful because she was giving me the energy, although she was keeping some distance in general. She told me that she has the man of her life waiting for her at home, her english was not good so I didn't get whether they are married already or not, but I was just feeling it with her so I went for a kiss, which she stopped by pushing me away. We also exchanged numbers, but I mostly enjoyed these moments there, some doses of pure feminine energy can really make your day.

Last significant approach was a girl that was walking alone in some almost empty and fairly dark street close to my place. She was quite in front of me so I walked fast and when I caught up to her I tried to keep some distance and be extra smiley with my approach. And she received it well, basically I told her I was running home to eat my food that I had in my hand, and I just saw her and she had such a feminine energy. I then learned she is single and she lives around and was working until late so she was going home, and I proposed since she is around my area to have a drink some other time and she was very up to it.

Then I went home, texted her after about ten minutes, since it was late I thought it was the best call, and she responded even asking me specifically when I am leaving for vacation, because this week of hers is extremely busy to meet. So this looks good, if we find some time, I think it could get to a date.

That's all for today, I'm gonna be visiting family again next week to take care of some stuff, and for this reason I'm extra focused on approaching now, to cover these next days that will be more empty.

I feel extreme urgency regarding seduction lately, and I want to use it to put the work in and get to sleeping with the women I want as fast as possible.
 

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Sometimes it just feels you are banging your head against concrete. At least that's how I feel lately. I mean it's getting to the point that I even wonder why I take some of these phone numbers, it feels like in a bit half the city will have failed dates with me.

Jokes aside, it's not pleasurable. I keep going, and I will keep going, I'm not stopping now, but I feel there is something fundamentally wrong about my approach.

I have the feeling that I see every single interaction as a sex challenge, I basically go in thinking how I can have sex with this woman the fastest way possible. And it probably comes off that this is what I want eventually.

The problem is that I don't understand what I should want. I mean I've been in interactions without really caring about sex, very few times I got openings for sex like that, but it never happened because I wasn't in the headspace to capitalise.

So I should be focused on getting better at the skill, but the skill is literally getting sex. I mean I could become way sexier, but still I will have to do something to get them to bed, and I know it won't be enough because I cannot even take to bed the girls that find me sexy enough now.

And I have been following guidelines like always going for the pull, and at least it's fairly normal to propose it at this point for me, but it feels it's never at the right moment.

So in the end maybe it is simply about not doing things technically right? Meaning that if I built more connection and pulled at the right moment, noone would care that the whole interaction was structured with the goal of sex in mind.

I feel a lot of times I get into this thinking that sex for me this is how things start, and basically I am not waiting for the second or third time we meet, both because I feel less interested in her if she shows me that I am not sexy enough to get sex fast and because with the hectic schedules we all have in the city even planning one date is extremely difficult, forget planning the second after a first that didn't include sex.

And for this reason I am trying to go for sex as fast as possible, also time wise because if we meet at 8 I cannot do a 3 hour date before pulling. Where will we fit the sex and the sleep for work the next day. Maybe that shows that dates should firstly start earlier and secondly be more intense with material, so that they create the environment for the pull as fast as possible.

When it comes to pulling from an approach, I am still going for it when I can in fact, but again a lot of these women go somewhere, so I mostly take numbers. And in nightgame, I haven't been for a while, but apart from that, I really feel that I lack a lot of transitions in my process there, like how you change venues with a girl.

Let me talk about the approaches as well. Today I had very little sleep due to studying for a spontaneous interview, and was out before eating lunch so not at a good body state at all. I got one number though out of about 15 approaches. I had like 20 more yesterday with 6 numbers so not a bad, and 3 on Wednesday with one number. Again not precise numbers, probably a bit more in total, but around there.

Of course I still don't get attention or numbers or anything going forward with particularly hot girls, aka the ones I really want, but at least I am reaching a point where if I keep going out I will meet women that can be potential dates. What I do with them in the dates is a different story.
 

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It was surely nice to eventually get a lay yesterday. At least you reach a point like that and you feel there is some progress happening. Then of course new issues come up, how to have good sex and how to handle everything after that. But I will get to these as well, for now succeeding in this first date lay was very valuable.

Today I had another agreed date in fact that she wanted to reschedule for tomorrow, so let's see if we meet eventually. The truth is I also wasn't feeling very much in the mood today, mainly due to tiredness and lack of sleep.

Although yesterday night I was planning to sleep more, in the end I wanted to wake up relatively early to send the first post sex text. And my sleep ended up screwed, piling up on the bad sleeping schedule of these last nights.

I have to really take care of the sleep, today I was feeling so exhausted and sleepy that I didn't have much desire for anything. That said, I decided to go downtown to grab some food and do some evening approaches.

And although I wasn't hoping for much being in this condition, I had about 10 approaches, getting one number, one facebook and an instant date. The last one was going to a bar, so I basically joined and we found a place where I could eat something as well.

Fairly normal approach with a compliment about the style. This girl was walking towards me and she did not stop, so I turned around and walked together with her. After a bit she even proposed doing something now, and although I have decided to not go to instant dates if there is no possibility to pull, I felt that it could be a better use of my time than eating alone.

So we went there, sat at a table opposite to each other since that's what was available, and started talking. I think we had a good vibe, but she felt like she wanted things to go slower in general. At some point I asked about how her relationships with guys are and she told me she wasn't going to talk about it there.

We exchanged numbers in the end, so I may try to keep in touch, although I do know that instant dates without pulling have never been effective for me. Won't go into way more details regarding the conversation, as I was generally trying the things I usually do with frames, and also teasing her and being a bit playful to not keep it all very boring and platonic.

From her side she was teasing a bit back herself, which was fun, but I do feel she is more conservative, and by the the time the place closed and we had to leave, she didn't feel ready for any escalation at all. So I let her go and I will keep in mind if we meet again to work with frames about open-mindedness and adventurousness, since she already told me she is both, connecting them to sex.

Anyway, very nice to know that even from days like this, I can still get things happening. The number I got also felt quite solid, so we'll see.

Now there is one more day tomorrow, before I take a trip to my family for a week, so I am gonna enjoy this Monday and whatever it brings sexually.
 

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I just read a few of your entries because there are so many of them. I really liked the one about your platonic friend seeing you once a year telling you her stories! It's always fun when girls open up about their sexual lives isn't it?

30 approaches in street game is quite impressive. And at night even! I haven't done street game at nigjt ever, so far. I'm scared that the girls will be scared of me (the irony!).

As for being perceived as sexy, I didn't read your most recent entries, but do you use touch at all? With your platonic friend you went for the kiss, which is good. But did you warm her up touching you first? i don't recall you writing about it.

And the other girls you talk to, do you just stand there talking to them or do you ever touch them and move them around? I think that might help you to be perceived as a more sexual guy.
 

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I just read a few of your entries because there are so many of them. I really liked the one about your platonic friend seeing you once a year telling you her stories! It's always fun when girls open up about their sexual lives isn't it?
Yeah, I have been posting too much lately haha, thanks for taking the time. And this was a very nice one indeed, it's always exciting to be open with girls like that.

Funny thing is that with this friend group two years back we were pretty open sexually, at least the most open I've felt expressing myself and talking about it. Even now when I meet them I throw innuendos and make sexual comments naturally and feel way more free.

I say that in contrast with lately that I feel I have to be way more proper in the social circles I am hanging around, which makes me feel quite stifled. Now you can argue that it's a different scene, with these other guys we were all exchange students taking trips and partying together.

But I would still want to be able to express myself in similar ways in general. I mean I kinda lose my interest in socialising when it's not fun like that, feels like we are all putting a fake front to present to each other.

I guess I could just start behaving however I feel like, not sure how people would react, especially the ones that kinda know me already as the more quiet analytical guy, but at least it could make things more exciting.

In fact this freedom is what I mostly love about cold approach, I can openly be whoever I want without caring about how others perceive me and what kind of reputation I have in the social circle.

30 approaches in street game is quite impressive. And at night even! I haven't done street game at nigjt ever, so far. I'm scared that the girls will be scared of me (the irony!).
Just to say I realised that I made a mistake in that post and the first 20 where during the day, the 10 during the night.

But generally yeah I've been approaching at night, even doing whole sessions of night street game around the city. I think I started because I wasn't interested in paying the entrance for a venue, or for a drink just to have a chance to talk to girls. I was like, better talk to them first, and if we vibe we go somewhere and then paying makes more sense.

I made a comment in my last field report as well, but generally I feel if you approach normally they receive you normally. They may have their walls up more, if it's too dark you need to calibrate the approach to not scare them, but in general they are still girls. If you present yourself attractively they will appreciate it day or night.

And it has perks. I remember a period where I was walking around the bar area at my city chatting girls at night time, and I reached a point where even though I wasn't actively going inside any bar, I still had at least one significant interaction during most outings.

Instant dates, instant pulls, makeouts, to me it feels even more exciting than getting in a venue, and staying restricted there trying to work the room. If I can escape the high cover charges they have here I will still go though, simply because it's good to improve that skill as well to increase your opportunities.

As for being perceived as sexy, I didn't read your most recent entries, but do you use touch at all? With your platonic friend you went for the kiss, which is good. But did you warm her up touching you first? i don't recall you writing about it.

And the other girls you talk to, do you just stand there talking to them or do you ever touch them and move them around? I think that might help you to be perceived as a more sexual guy.
Yeah I was touching a bit, arm, back, thigh, but it did feel like she was pulling away.

With other approaches it depends. I will give a man-woman handshake for sure, and even stay there holding the hand for longer if they don't pull it fast. I will give few slight touches on the shoulder or arm in the beginning.

Then if it is a street stop and we have to go I generally don't move them around. If I see the possibility of an instant date with the potential for a pull, I will propose something, and continue making small touches while leading.

I really think though that the sexy part I mention is more about how my presence comes off. The way I stand, I speak, I look. I guess I am trying to be a bit friendly during the approaches to not scare girls off, but sometimes it comes off as not masculine enough. Other times I come in more dominant and it feels too much. I think I need some calibration on how to be warm while also looking masculine.

I'm pretty sure I've made it work a number of times, but I am not consistent. For example when I am hungry, I do feel that I cannot even breath well from my belly, and my voice projects more weakly. That's why I was trying to focus on the physical condition and how if the body works well the rest is externalising your masculine core. But if it doesn't, you are simply struggling to present something not congruent with how you feel. For another example, if I am tired or sleepy, it's almost impossible to manage seductive eye contact, there are some muscles in my face that do not respond the same way and make an otherwise natural facial expression seeming weird.

In fact I do feel that in the end most attractiveness indicators are indicators of good health, physically and mentally.

That said to go all the way back to your question, I could also benefit by leading more physically as well. Because I am rarely very dominant with my touch until I start the escalation to sex. And especially in nightime environments I have felt that my lack of physical game makes the interactions way less impactful.
 

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Instant dates, instant pulls, makeouts, to me it feels even more exciting than getting in a venue, and staying restricted there trying to work the room. If I can escape the high cover charges they have here I will still go though, simply because it's good to improve that skill as well to increase your opportunities.
Sounds great, I should try that some time! I guess I need to dress really nicely with a white button down shirt, since I'm a bit more of an edgy looking guy naturally.

That said to go all the way back to your question, I could also benefit by leading more physically as well. Because I am rarely very dominant with my touch until I start the escalation to sex. And especially in nightime environments I have felt that my lack of physical game makes the interactions way less impactful.
Yes, that is the impression I got. When I sense a girl is receptive, I think I'm quite forward with the touching. Simply because I used to do drunk night game in loud clubs when I was younger, and there you can't really talk a lot so it's more about physical escalation as soon as you get a "green light" from the girl basically.

Nowadays I don't like drinking nor clubs as much, so I'm trying to make it work for day game!

Btw I just checked your recent LR, Ok I just skimmed it because I'm short on time. Well done with the Spanish girl! I think even though she left with her period she might be down for another meet unless something happened that put her off.
 
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Sounds great, I should try that some time! I guess I need to dress really nicely with a white button down shirt, since I'm a bit more of an edgy looking guy naturally.
Yeah, the other thing I'd say is to have some plan ready. Meaning knowing what to say if they ask what you are doing, knowing where you could take them later, in general having an idea of the area and what you are going for.

I've had long interactions where I basically hanged out with some girls that invited me when I talked to them, but in the end nothing happened, because I never took the lead for something more. Still not a bad time, but not really fruitful seduction wise.

Yes, that is the impression I got. When I sense a girl is receptive, I think I'm quite forward with the touching. Simply because I used to do drunk night game in loud clubs when I was younger, and there you can't really talk a lot so it's more about physical escalation as soon as you get a "green light" from the girl basically.
Yeah I never was really into physical game like that, and the thing is I always wondered how much it brings results. The times I have tried getting more physical, maybe we both enjoyed it but never lead to a pull.

So I still have this feeling that it overvalidates girls and then they don't care about getting alone with you. But it's not that I have something else for clubs that works better. It feels that if I get physical they have the validation they want and then don't care, while if I don't get physical they are just not stimulated enough.

In general night game in a venue is something I have not figured out at all.

Nowadays I don't like drinking nor clubs as much, so I'm trying to make it work for day game!
Great, I feel I also prefer it at the moment!
Btw I just checked your recent LR, Ok I just skimmed it because I'm short on time. Well done with the Spanish girl! I think even though she left with her period she might be down for another meet unless something happened that put her off.
Thanks! And yeah, we'll see. I'm leaving tomorrow anyway, so there will be a gap, but I intend to send some messages to keep in touch. To be honest I have zero experience meeting girls again after first time sex, so I have to check articles a bit, even just for the simple thing of what you do the second time.
 

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Writing this eating some free pizza at the hotel the airline company booked for us after canceling our flight tonight. At least they discovered the problem in the aircraft a bit before we left.

Anyway this led pretty much to chatting with a number of the people there and bonding over the experience.

Interesting to interact with folks from all walks of life like that, from the 20 year old hot pastry student girl to the 47 year old religious blue collar grandpa and in between.

Haven’t had this much socializing outside of seduction for some time, so it was interesting for sure.

And I do have a house in the city, but was like screw it, I’ll take the free hotel and live the full experience.

I also exchanged numbers with two girls in the airport that were leaving the country. The second one is living in Thailand so I don’t really think there is much possible there.

But the other one was pretty interesting. I stopped to give her a compliment when she was checking perfumes in the airport store, then showed her a bit which way to go since it was her first time in the airport and she looked lost.

The funny thing is that she didn’t seem very responsive so I basically disengaged after that. I was still walking kinda next to her but was fully ok with not staying in touch, and she started asking questions back, about where I am from, what I am doing here etc.

So I kept interacting with her, I asked her if she plans to come back to my city, she said yes, that she loves it, so we exchanged numbers before we parted ways for the different gates.

The bad thing is that with all this situation with the cancelled flight I totally forgot to send an icebreaker text, will do tomorrow.

I won’t be really approaching the next days as I will be with family, so I wanted to make even few with no possible future inside the airport to stay in shape.

I also sent some texts with a pic I have from inside a plane landing at my hometown to some girls I met these last days. Funny thing is that I sent them in the afternoon to have better timing than during the night flight, but then I never really flew, so I have to at least remember if we meet that I lied about my flight timing and not mention accidentally that it got cancelled.

Interesting that the Spanish girl I had sex with on Saturday answered this text pretty fast, asking me when I come back. I will answer tomorrow, but the point is it really felt like a pretty warm answer thinking how our night ended.

In other news I posted the report with the sick girl yesterday, and although I do want more sex in general, I think that this is a bit too much for me to get into.

Before that report I had done about 10 approaches with 2 fairly cute numbers that have already answered, so we’ll see, maybe something nice can come out of it.

Till then, I’ll enjoy some sleep and then a nice free breakfast, before I get back home and have them reimburse as much money as possible from all this flight cancelling.
 

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Going back home tomorrow. Funny I call that home, although I am literally in the room I grew up right now. I suppose it's how it goes with evolving through life.

Anyway didn't have much chance to work on seduction here with family, so the last ones I did were 3 inside the airport, before the rebooked flight I took. With them I tried to focus on girls in the airport that would be around the city when I come back.

I approached one that was working there. I stopped her as she moving around with some machinery, gave a compliment, and told her I'd like to see her again when I come back. The interaction was quite fast, I also think I was speaking too fast, it's something I have to control, especially when I see women that look busy or in a hurry.

She said the she does live there but moving away end of August, I told her we have some time till then, but she said no we don't and went on to leave, so I wished her the best.

In fact I think she was interested in me at least, and it was an honest answer of her living the city in a month. I guess I could have persisted a bit more, being more playfully sexual. And a more sexy vibe generally would have helped.

Another girl I approached was waiting for my flight in fact, going for party vacation. Cute thin girl, face nails and lashes type, quite more friendly than I expected, and I felt she really appreciated my approach and was honest about boyfriend. When I entered the plane I saw her sitting again and gave a node raising my head.

Not that these approaches were anything particularly significant, but at least I was happy for still going at it, even in this situation. You never know when something nice will happen anyway.

After that these last days I exchanged one two texts with some girls I met lately. I pinged them with a pic from the place I am at, and then tried to calibrate my next message to what they responded.

I feel there is a possibility to meet with few of them in these next weeks, so we will see. Can't say I am an expert at text conversations before meeting, I generally try to keep them at a minimum, since a lot of these numbers are quick daytime approaches and don't want to try getting to know each other via text.

I only try to keep some contact if I can't meet right away, and then basically propose a meeting. I feel I am getting the hang of the process lately in fact, since I did have a bunch of dates before taking this trip. Still a learning process though, since I am always getting some conversations that I am not sure what the right call to make is or others that go silent and stop responding.

Besides that, I had few days with my thoughts, and some of the experiences socialising in this flight cancelling I had, together with this stunner thread that has been going on lately, made me think a bit about how I am approaching some things.

Long story short I have been going solo approaching lately, then having dates/instant dates and going for pulls either the same day or at the first date. Which I do like, it feels like the purest form of game to me, that said in a way, I am keeping it very much away from the rest of my life and I am not sure how sustainable that is.

Well at least when I have a life, I guess I've been focusing too much on seduction, that most of the social interactions I had this last month were the approaches I made and the dates I went to. But even when I have been going out with friends or doing a hobby or anything else, it does feel that seduction is not there for me and I wait to go out solo to actively work on it.

And in general it's not that I care that much about seducing girls in social circles, but I do care about being at least respected and well-regarded enough there, that I don't feel I present something completely different from the everyday me to girls.

Because I think I have an issue that when I go out and approach I can be direct, I can be sexual, and I don't really care about what people think of me. Most of my decisions regarding what to do and what not are tactical, thinking how I could reach the desired outcome. But when I am living day to day and interact with people it feels I am way more stifled and don't express myself that much, because I am mostly focused on not disturbing the different groups I am in, and simply being accepted there.

I guess there is always naturally some conforming to be done, but my problem is that I seem unable to do it while maintaining some value in the circles I am part of. What seems to happen is that either it feels like I don't even care much about socialising so I do the shared activity but create no bonds with others or when I try to socialise it feels like I am coming from a low value paradigm wanting people to like me.

So my experiences in social circles have mostly been pretty unfulfilling, and it kinda affects me in seduction in an indirect way, since I know that there are not many places in my life that people consider me high value. Even more specifically I've felt that most of the times that I am interacting with women outside of cold approaching, I quickly get considered as not an attractive male choice.

So it sometimes it feels like the more time they spend with me the more it gets further away from sexual. This is my general issue with indirect game as well, that whenever I have tried it, it simply feels like I am hiding something from the girl. It creates a very weird vibe between us, where I want something with her, and I know I cannot come onto her directly, but it feels she can sense that I am interested, so she gets the upper hand and everything I do feels like chasing.

One of the things that I also realised this week that happens a lot to me when I get to interact with girls I like in more social settings, and I am clearly not direct with my interest, is that they will start tasking, advising or telling me what to do. It's always by the girls I am interested in and comes in different forms. I may even do a separate post to ask for advice on this but imagine if you get treated like she is your mother or something, telling you you look better with your hair back and coming to style your hair back.

I guess you can simply reject all these types of comments, but it gets tiring, or similarly when there is a person the people are clearly listening to and they always follow them. I suppose that situations like that make me not really interested in taking part in social circles, since a lot of times I don't enjoy having people tell me how to behave or feeling like I have to follow someones recommendation, because the group considers them a leader.

So I tend to either take part in all that, clearly without much investment though, just to please the group, or eventually I have enough of it and decide to go do stuff I prefer alone, like approaching women and not dancing or making my hair however I want and not interacting with these people that don't like it.

Not sure how much off topic this all has gotten, but my general point is that I feel free when I can go out and do things by myself, I love it and can express myself without any care in the world, but then if I start interacting with multiple people, it feels I have to start being more conforming and submissive to them if I want to be accepted.

Anyway, I'm discussing it because I feel that no woman would be really attracted to me if she saw me in an every day environment being totally unpopular or not interacting much with the others in the groups I hang out with. And although I truly don't care about belonging in one group and being a leader there for some reason, I do care about being well-regarded and respected by the people I interact with, simply for being effective in the world.

I feel in the end I should look inside myself first to find my self respect. As long as I feel content with the way I live my life, I can stop caring about anything others are thinking about me, while still respecting their views, and as a result making them respect my approach to life.

Because ok, I don't need to go to a religious gathering acting like the most sexually open guy cursing god for asking to abstain for sex till marriage, but I can be ok with myself going after sex with multiple women while respecting the choice of others to wait, without pretending I do the same.
 
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