Makes total sense! Thanks for the feedback.It’s easy to come off as cringe-y when you respond negatively to hearing a girl has a bf.
“What a pity!” aka “Sorry to hear that…” is not a very professional response.
Responding happy and relieved—like a waiter that just heard “Yes, thanks!” in response to “Have you been helped?”—sets a better tone.
Fist-bump her.
Want to make her feel really good? Be like, “Damn! He lucked out!”
It’s all just a shade of positivity different from what you said.
I mean… getting laid is WORK, bro...
Women are looking to get their pussies “serviced” by a strong and dominant man…
I like to hear someone else served a customer for a change— you know I can’t get a spare minute around here, fuckin’ all these broads…
(Good frame-setting included here as a bonus).
Great stuff dude!Good day today. 5 approaches total.
#1 - WARMUP
Cute girl standing before a coffee shop I just walked out of. I said "They have good coffee here" to her... no reaction... so I said "I recommend it". She turned to me, gave me a nervous/polite laugh, then turned away again.
#2 - SALAD GIRL
Girl sitting on the beach munching a salad. Long straight black hair, but thick thighs which I don't like much. I decided she was probably Colombian from her looks. She was sitting hunched over her phone, very closed off body language. Probably on lunch break from work.
I decided to walk over anyway. I said "Enjoy our meal" - She gives me a quick glance, nod, then looks down again. I asked her if she's from Colombia? She says "No." and looks down again. I ask "From here?" she nods and look down again. So I go back to my stuff.
#3 - TOURIST GIRL 2F SET (JUST BANTERING)
Decided to walk around some more. Come across 2 girls, one blonde sitting, one black haired lying down. I tell them "You are a the dirtiest part of the beach!" in English, because they look like foreigners. The lying down one laughs and says "I know!" I ask "Do you like it?" SHe says "Yes!" I say "Why?" She answers "Because there's not so many people here as over there!", still laughing. I say "That makes sense!" then wish them a pleasant day and it's a 2 set. Also quite young. There's another girl within sight that I want to check out.
#4 - ARGENTINIAN LAWYER
This part of the beach is quite empty, so it's quite possible that this girl saw me open set #3 which probably gave me some social proof. As I get close, I see she's drinking mate tea, so I figure she's Argentinian.
Her mate device (look it up if you never heard of it, all the Argentinians seem to love this stuff!) glistens golden in the sun. So I ask her "Is that a golden mate?" She says "No, it's orange!" I say "Oh it looks golden" and walk closer. Her body language seems very receptive so I opened from a bit of a distance.
I ask her if she's from Argentina, and of course she is. We are speaking Spanish which I'm reasonably fluid in. I sit down next to her, asking for permission which I maybe shouldn't have. But since I sat down on her cloth which was pretty large, I found it appropriate.
I find out she's on holiday here, and seems to come here often if I understood her correctly. Didn't find out why. Talk a bit about our surroundings, part of the beach is under construcion because they were some heavy floods after a recent storm here. We're at a quiet part of the beach though.
She's very attractive. I'd guess mid 20s. Quite friendly, but I don't think she ever asks me anything back. She does talk a bit of her own accord though when I ask her about where she's from and what her country is like. In hindsight shouldn't have dwelled so much on that.
I try to remember some pickup tech, I'm kind of struggling. I often forget everything I'm learning here while I'm in set. I did remember to test for compliance though. I asked her to let me smell her mate tea (because I didn't want to suck on her tea thingy) and she readily handed it to me. Then she also got the box of dry mate leaves out of her bag and handed them to me to smell also.
I should probably asked her if I can try a sip. I somehow felt that would be too much of an intrusion to suck on the same mouthpiece as her. But I realize this doesn't make sense if I'm actually trying to pick up the girl, since the goal is to exchange body fluids ultimately anyway... guess I don't have this fully internalized yet.
At some point I asked her what she does for a living, and she told me she's a lawyer. There I made another mistake. I don't know any lawyers personally and couldn't really relate to that profession. And I didn't really have a good reply.
She told me she loves her job, so I should probably asked her a bit more what she likes about it. Instead I said "Oh so that's why you have lots of dough to come here on holiday!", touching her bare leg at that point. She laughed at that so it probably wasn't all bad.
After a while, I felt I was running out of things to say. There were some silences from time to time. I wouldn't say necessarily awkward silences, just me looking at the sea a bit and after a few seconds talking about stuff happening around us. The construction in a different part of the beach, the dirt in this part, wanting to swim but it's too cloudy today, things like that. None of which was probably very seductive. Should have teased her much more, and also built some similarity in some manner.
In the end I decided this was going nowhere. I told her I have to leave soon and checked the time on my phone. As I started to get up, I told her it was great to meet her and shook hands again. I did remember to soft close, asking her if she wants to meet up one of these days for a drink. She declined, so I told her "All right, have a great day then!" giving her a last playful touch to the shoulder.
I walked back to where my stuff was, it was relatively far so she couldn't see my next and last approach. I was glad to have gone for the close, but also I felt I could have done better.
#5 - RED HAIRED RASTA GIRL
Right next to my towel I saw a girl with bright red rasta hair. I probably wouldn't have approached her but she was standing right next to me so it was basically a freebie.
She looked at me when I arrived, so I said hello. Saw she was in a bikini and wet. So I asked her if she'd been swimming, and she said yes. Chatted a bit about the water, then I asked her where she's from. I told her I live here, she asked me "Why?" and I just made a gesture encompassing all the beach and said "Because!"
Then I said "the beach, the weather..." She was smiling and didn't need any more explanation.
We did chat a bit more about the bad weahter in our home countries. Then, inspired by her example I went for a swim myself. While I was in the water, and older couple managed to sit themselves right between me and her. Even though we were like 3m apart max lol. Some people...
I did reopen her after I finished swimming but it was awkward now with these people in the middle. Eventually she left and said bye.
CONCLUSION
I think I messed up #4. She was quite open at first. But the language hurdle affected me negatively. There's been a thread recently about whether to game in a foreign language. Someone made the point of always gaming in English because you'll have the advantage.
I should have asked this girl if she speaks English, then challenged her to practice with me.
Also could have qualified her as being smart when she told me she was a lawyer. Then ask her if she can get me out of trouble as a lawyer. I don't know how this works exactly but I imagine if she's a lawyer in Argentina, that doesn't mean she's a lawyer here. Might even serve as a subtle neg, hehe.
Anyway, it was fun and a great learning experience! As always, any thoughts please critique away. I know I can do much better than this, and I will next time
Having a blast recently! Reactions from girls are getting better and better.
Nah. I think this was the right move. Seated sets are tricky. Its easy for the girls to feel in "boxed in" and start to get uncomfortable. I would have also done the same thing and even added a false time constraint just to lessen the pressure. "Do you mind if I sit for 2 minutes!" But I would have kind of said that non chalantly with the intonation and not as a serious question.I sit down next to her, asking for permission which I maybe shouldn't have.
This is why its key to keep approaching. Now, you ran into a lawyer and froze a bit. Now you can sit down and think how you would respond next time you run into a lawyer. And if you keep approaching, you definitely will!At some point I asked her what she does for a living, and she told me she's a lawyer. There I made another mistake. I don't know any lawyers personally and couldn't really relate to that profession. And I didn't really have a good reply.
Great props on doing this.did remember to soft close, asking her if she wants to meet up one of these days for a drink
Great idea!even added a false time constraint just to lessen the pressure. "Do you mind if I sit for 2 minutes!"
Yep, that's what I'm doing today hahahaNow, you ran into a lawyer and froze a bit. Now you can sit down and think how you would respond next time you run into a lawyer.
It was!! But I should have deep dived her on her profession and what she likes about it more. She said she loves it so that was clearly an invitation, which I didn't realize in time.I think this was a great interaction.
I know it’s a bit older, but sometimes I may ask how long they have been together, and then if she says a small number I may joke how she is almost married, or if she says a big number that it is not serious at all.What do you guys usually do when the girl mentions a boyfriend?
Great stuff. You have definitely unlocked a new level. This is great. Its okay that the numbers are flakes. That will change as your conversations become more engaging and also just from a law of averages perspective. If you go on getting numbers, sooner or later one HAS to turn into a date2 approaches. 1st one got the number, 2nd one I ejected after the opener because once she talked I realized I wasn't attracted.
The 1st girl was real fun though. I saw her sitting on a bench, an Asian girl with her hair dyed part blonde. I liked the mix of black and blonde hair. Got AA though at first and had to push myself to approach. I did the old trick of telling myself I'll just walk over there and check her out from nearby. Complimenting her hair was automatic once she looked at me. She was super receptive, I sat next to her and we chatted for maybe 10-20 minutes.
She's a Chinese girl who's studying in a European country. Her English was very good. She's visiting here for a few days, and today is her last day.
So I found out her logistics for the day: She was waiting for some restaurante to open to have lunch, and then was planning to go to a museum which she already had tickets for. As we talked, she asked me quite a few questions back, so she seemed a bit more interested than the last girl I #closed which I got talking mainly about herself.
This girl even asked me what I'm doing later today, which I interpreted as a sign of interest. I told her I'll probably go to the beach. Since it's her last day in this city, I offered her to go for a walk on the beach in the evening, but she wasn't sure (i.e. evasive). Grabbed her number anyway, which she seemed happy to give me. Maybe she was just being polite, since she didn't reply when I texted her a few hours later. I asked how she liked the museum since we had discussed that.
It was fun talking to her, and always great to grab a number even though so far it looks like a flake. I realize I have lots of stuff to improve with my conversational skills. I sometimes tend to go off on tangents that aren't really helpful for the seduction. Also at some points I said some real stupid stuff. Just one example, after grabbing the number and saying goodbye, I said something like "Maybe see you later, in case you're bored." She laughed at that, so did I... but later I thought, why the hell did I say that? Completely unnecessary and not helpful.
Anyway, great to grab another number. It's always a learning experience, if nothing else.
I did some more socializing during the day, but mainly with guys so it's not really relevant for this journal.
As for the second opener of the day, I did a situational comment on the sunset, to a girl sitting on the beach. She took her earphones out and agreed, but as she talked I realized I wasn't into her we just chatted for half a minute and then went on my way.
Getting more volume in would probably help me learn faster, but I just can't bring myself to chat up girls I'm not really attracted to.
Are you typically sexually framing the initial interaction verbally? I wonder for a case like gameboy's girl who was only there for another day, maybe the value proposition wasn't clear?Great stuff. You have definitely unlocked a new level. This is great. Its okay that the numbers are flakes. That will change as your conversations become more engaging and also just from a law of averages perspective. If you go on getting numbers, sooner or later one HAS to turn into a date
A large number of my first numbers flaked as well. And as you see from my reports, even now many flake. To a certain extent its just a part of the game.
I had a friend who had this happen to him as well. It was a homeless lady. But he did not understand what she was shouting, and he just left.Had a bad experience today. I guess I know now the meaning of "wild card".
The first approach of the day actually went pretty well. I opened a girl on the beach that was quite attractive, and dind't look too young for me for once. She appeared next to me when I just came out of the water in my swimming shorts. I asked her a question about her t-shirt, and she was really friendly and chatty. Turns out she was there with a whole bunch of people, they were visiting from a different country and about to leave tomorrow.
We chatted for a bit, and eventually I was talking with the whole group, they told me I was brave to go swimming with this weather, I told them they should try it for themselves, and so on. But there was no point in escalating with the girl since she one of the leaders of the group, and clearly occupied.
Later I opened another girl on the beach that was just about to leave. I had seen her arrive, so I knew she was by herself. She was also quite attractive, a little on the posh side for me, but still in the acceptable range lol. I opened situational, she didn't understand so I repeated in English. Turns out she's visiting from the US. I found out she's from DC and on holiday here. I made a bit of small talk, she was giggling an seemed to be quite happy to be approached.
After we exchanged the first few phrase though, a little drunk guy appeared and started shouting and gesturing at me in the local language. He told me not to bother the people, and to get away. I told him I'm not bothering anyone, and to leave me the fuck alone. People were staring. I noticed the guy had a scab on his nose, so looks like he got punched in the face recently. I kept my cool but stood my ground. The guy kept shouting and spitting his nonesense. I defended myself verbally, but didn't get physical. He eventually walked away, still shouting.
When he was gone I turned back to the girl, I think I said "Jeez" but of course now the vibe had gone to shit. She gave me a sort of shrug, then looked down like she didn't want to get involved. My mood had gone to shit as well obviously, so I had to bail. At first I turned the other way, but I didn't fell like slouching off with my tail between my legs, so I decided to confront the drunk guy. He was now sitting on a wall nearby. I walked up to him and told him he had no business shouting at me, and that I'm not bothering anyone. To my surprise he actually asked "You aren't?", then said "sorry" with an apologetic gesture. I was like "Yeah right, sorry." But at that point I felt it made no sense to continue arguing with this *****, so I left.
Needless to say I was pissed and not in the mood to do any more approaches. It was getting dark already anyway. What's annoying me most is that this girl was actually giggling when I started to make smalltalk with her, which I think is a first for me. It felt like she might have been interested...
Had a bad experience today. I guess I know now the meaning of "wild card".
After we exchanged the first few phrase though, a little drunk guy appeared and started shouting and gesturing at me in the local language. He told me not to bother the people, and to get away. I told him I'm not bothering anyone, and to leave me the fuck alone. People were staring. I noticed the guy had a scab on his nose, so looks like he got punched in the face recently. I kept my cool but stood my ground. The guy kept shouting and spitting his nonesense. I defended myself verbally, but didn't get physical. He eventually walked away, still shouting.
When he was gone I turned back to the girl, I think I said "Jeez" but of course now the vibe had gone to shit. She gave me a sort of shrug, then looked down like she didn't want to get involved. My mood had gone to shit as well obviously, so I had to bail. At first I turned the other way, but I didn't fell like slouching off with my tail between my legs, so I decided to confront the drunk guy. He was now sitting on a wall nearby. I walked up to him and told him he had no business shouting at me, and that I'm not bothering anyone. To my surprise he actually asked "You aren't?", then said "sorry" with an apologetic gesture. I was like "Yeah right, sorry." But at that point I felt it made no sense to continue arguing with this *****, so I left.
Needless to say I was pissed and not in the mood to do any more approaches. It was getting dark already anyway. What's annoying me most is that this girl was actually giggling when I started to make smalltalk with her, which I think is a first for me. It felt like she might have been interested...