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So I was expecting the Turkish girl to come tonight, but she bailed on me. I'm done with her. If she wants, she can text me, I'm done getting flaked on.

I decided to try something new today. I went for a girl who was in a mixed group.

Interesting reference point. Definitely a lot to learn from. Going to make a FR to get more help from the boards, as this interaction seemed interesting enough to warrant one.

FR here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=16730
 

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A rejection filled Sunday.

So the girl from Thursday bailed from me, and the girl I met yesterday ignored my call/text (which I actually expected but still a bummer). So I sent her a text at 1AM, and then called her today around 3PM, and she didn't pick up. I should have left a voice mail but didn't, so I sent a text an hour later saying that I called to get her schedule and when she might be free.

Also went out and did some day game. Three approaches, pretty decisive approaches, so that's some good news. First was this European girl. Stopped her, gave compliment. She kept backing away like I was scaring her, and I have no idea why. She's leaving in two days, and unlike the German girl, was not very free to meet/did not want to. Second girl was also direct opener. She gave me a number, which I feel is fake, but no clue. She's apparently super busy with work so doubt that it will happen. Third just gave a compliment. The girl said thank you, but said she was running very late, and walked fast.

So altogether not a very good weekend. I am planning to go on a date with this girl from Coffee Meets Bagel. It's a much lower level of attraction for her than I have for girls I talk to during the day, but I figure that another reference point would be better (plus lowering standards should help too, since she's not ugly by any means). This week will be pretty busy with work, so I don't imagine I'll get to do night game until Thursday, but I'll try for an insta-date if I can.
 

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Went out solo tonight. Still difficult, but it's getting better.

Good things: stayed out later even though I wanted to go home. Approached a lot, even if many didn't hook (need to work on my openers, I don't think direct is the best way to go in night game, just from all my data points). Had long conversations with a couple of different girls. Tried going more sexual by talking about dating history with one of the girls, so at least I got another first out of the way. Physicality is becoming second nature to me now, I'm just a touchier person than before.

Bad: potentially too boyfriendy. I don't think I'm falling into the platonic category as much, mainly because I try to give direct compliments early in the interaction, and also being touchy, but I'm worried I'm too platonic also. Need to disqualify myself as a boyfriend, but not sure what the technique should be. I'm trying instead to raise my lover value to counteract that, but that is failing horribly. To be expected since being sexual is something I'm new to. Didn't push for the close hard enough. This is also something due to being new to something. I've spent most of the summer focusing on getting over approach anxiety and improving how physical I am along with my voice/posture, that I haven't really focused on leading and being a sexual guy. So that's my next steps.

The main approaches:

Group of girls charging their phones: I see a group and just open by saying how they have the best location in the club since they're able to charge their phones. I ask if I can sit next to them, and one of the girls says sure. So I talk to her, and I'm not in a good social state, so it feels weird, and the conversation is dying and I'm not a part of it. Interestingly, this one super drunk girl who's in the group talks to me, and is just complimenting my like crazy, which I just chill respond to, I'm never sure how to respond to compliments so I always try to go cocky/no big deal route.

Single girl charging her phone: I use the same opener as above, and get to talking with her. This is better, I'm actually talking with her about her passions. She goes on a long discussion of her obsession with house flipping, which is cute to listen to. I really like talking to girls who have interesting stuff that they like. I tell her to sit next to me on the floor and she says no. She goes to the bathroom, and tells me that if I wait for her, she'll probably be back. Not a chance that I do that anymore. I go and open a different girl. When I finish talking to her, I go back to this girl. She's initially a little cold, but warms back up. I ask her to sit next to me again, and this time she complies, so that was good. She was with a friend for a birthday, so she ends up leaving. I think if I had sexualized the interaction better, than maybe she would have been more down to stay with me, and ditch her friends. I want to become the type of guy girls ditch their friends over, that's part of the goal.

In-between girl: so the girl I talk to while previous girl is in the bathroom. I think I just say hi and ask what her name is. This time I'm able to be more playful and actually have some banter and teasing, which is good, because I've just been so off with that lately. Anyway, some guy she knows comes up and they head out, so I go back to the previous girl.

Danish girl: So I see this girl a couple of times sitting down, but I can't think of a way to open her. I'm walking by the bar, and I see her, a friend, and a guy I assume is hitting on the friend. I think this could be a good potential wing man scenario, so I open the brunette friend, and just compliment her dress. I get her name and that she's from Denmark. She's pretty comfortable with my touch from the get go (but these days most girls seem to be). We talk about some stuff that I can't remember, but the conversation is going well. She seems focused on me, until the guy comes and introduces himself and breaks the dynamic. She goes and talks to her friend, and I'm talking to this guy from Europe. I go up and buy a vodka tonic (following my rule of only one drink a night), and tell the girl that we should all go sit together. We sit down, and this guy sits next to my girl, and I just sit on the other side. She's like let's sit in a square, and moves in front of me. Our eye contact throughout is pretty solid. I mainly talk to her, with some talk with her friend. This guy keeps butting in and he's such a cock-block. He even invites his friend, who at least is flirting with the friend, and not my girl. Clearly, this dude was hoping he and his friend could each get one of the girls. I find out the friend is married, but my girl is single. I try to get some compliance by asking my girl to guard my drink while I use the restroom. She does and I come back to find them all still together. I try to stay in for a little longer and see what happens, but the girls start talking to each other in a different language, and I just say fuck it and leave. Saw the guys later in the night with different girls, so it seems like these two shot them down as well.

Boring girl: this cute girl in a red dress. I tell open direct, and talk to her. She really doesn't give me anything to work with. She says she's a very boring person. I should have made some move here and gone much more sexual I think. Anyway, her and her friends decide to go down and dance. She tells me so, and I ask if she wants me to come, and she says if I want to. Not really much enthusiasm so I say no. Probably should have tried to make something happen there, I just figured that a lack of any enthusiasm coupled with saying she's boring meant she's actually just uninterested. Had she been flirty and said she was boring, then maybe that would have meant something.

Boston girl: blonde girl a little on the chubby side, but not too much. Best interaction of the night I think. Mainly because I tried some new stuff. Mistakes: I should have gone for the make out at least, I think she would have been open to it. Anyway, I see her by herself just staring at the skyline, so I come stand next to her for a few seconds, then say "Do you always come and stare longingly at the skyline when you're bored", and she takes it well. So I introduce myself. We get to talking, and there's a decent banter happening. Her super short friend barges in, and starts shit testing me, and I just throw some back at her. She tells me that she likes me, so she calls Boston girl her best friend, but if she didn't like me, she would have told me that her and Boston girl were a couple. She says that I'm a Slytherin, so I say that I'm more of a Cedric Diggory type of Hufflepuff-both girls crack up over this comment. She keeps mentioning race and how all her friends are white, and I'm super sick of people bringing race into everything, so I just sarcastically tell her, "we get it, you're diverse". At this point, I get back to talking with Boston girl, as I seemed to have passed the friend's tests, and we talk for a while longer. They are staying 2 hours away, and need to catch a train. The short girl comes asks me if I want to split an Uber, and I'm curious to see what will happen, plus I am tired and want to go home, so I say sure. Boston girl needs to charge her phone, so we go to an outlet. Her friends go to use the bathroom, leaving me and Boston girl alone. I should have gone for the make out, but I just didn't do it. On the other hand, I asked Boston girl about the dating life in her college, and she tells me how not good it is. She mentions how nice it is to have an interesting person to talk to, and how she wishes that the guys she went on dates with were like that. That's why I feel that I ended up in a platonic/boyfriend scenario, except I was complimenting her at the same time. Not sure on how to balance that part here. I ask about some shitty dates she's went on, and when she asks me back, I mention a bad date I went with after making out with a girl. I'm trying to portray myself more sexually, and bring more sexual topics into conversations. Throughout this, I'm touching her legs and stuff like usual. This is where I should have kissed her, but too late now. The friends come back, and we order the Uber. When we part ways, the girl gives me a big hug for longer than normal. I didn't even bother getting the number or anything, just didn't seem worth it since she's not from the area, and she's over 2 hours away for the weekend.

So main takeaways: use more interesting openers to improve opening percentage, become a more sexual person either by behavior or talking, and start leading.
 
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6 approaches today, so pretty good.

It's really easy for me to go direct these days, once I get my mind around it.

First girl I opened, traded names, moved her easily, and was overall dominant. It seemed like it could have been an insta-date but she had a boyfriend and bounced.

Next four weren't that good. Mainly went for the open, then tried to continue the conversation but the girls left. I stayed in a pretty good mood throughout, so I was pretty outcome independent.

Last girl was the persian girl from Sweden. Talked for a bit. She seemed like she would have been down for the insta-date, but she was meeting a friend for dinner so she wasn't free. Got the number, but it was super awkward, and I had to end up giving her my number, and by the end it seemed like she had gotten cold to me, so don't think anything will happen there.

Still, not a bad number of approaches, especially given that it was pouring rain.
 

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2 approaches today.

One was weird because I wasn't sure if she was a tranny or not :/ But it didn't go anywhere anyway.

Second one had a boyfriend.

Important thing was that I went for both girls without hesitating too much.
 

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One was weird because I wasn't sure if she was a tranny or not :/ But it didn't go anywhere anyway.

lmfaoo I hate when that happens bro. its tough to tell sometimes isn't it
 

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backstory said:
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One was weird because I wasn't sure if she was a tranny or not :/ But it didn't go anywhere anyway.

lmfaoo I hate when that happens bro. its tough to tell sometimes isn't it

Boobs are boobs, and a nice ass is a nice ass, wouldn't you agree :)?

It's the voice that threw me off XD
 
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9 approaches today.

While volume was good, quality was not. My voice was off, not very resonant, not very loud. Only two approaches went past the opener, so that's something I need to work on. I think if I had approached less timidly, then it would have gone better.

First one that went past the opener, I walked a little, but she seemed very uninterested, so I bounced.

The other one was this South African flight attendant. So I've been trying to go for insta-dates the last few days, but I think I've been going about it wrong. Not every girl is super open to getting coffee with someone they just met, the German girl from a few weeks ago might be an exception. Either way, I definitely need to build more rapport and comfort before trying to go for the date. I feel like I could have gotten her if I'd calibrated better.
 

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So only onne approach yesterday, I saw her walking a decent distance from me and sped up to catch up. Direct opener, light touching since she didn't seem too interested. I just kept talking since we were in the same direction. Tried to deep dive a little. Number swapped on a high point. Sent her a text yesterday and today, but not expecting a reply.
 

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So two approaches today. One went no where, the other I managed to get an insta date followed by a lay-LR coming up.
 

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Kvothe said:
So two approaches today. One went no where, the other I managed to get an insta date followed by a lay-LR coming up.

Dude idk how you were a virgin before, you're fucking crushing it.
 

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It’s been a while since last posting and unfortunately I don’t have a lot to talk about. Went back to school, and I have a hard time meeting girls mainly because I don’t go out enough and cold approaching in public worries me because I feel like people I know will see me and it will hurt my reputation.

Visiting another school at the moment, and went out last night. I feel like I looked good and would have had girls be receptive to me, but I just didn’t approach. Guess that’s to be expected after going on a hiatus for three months. All the approach anxiety is back. The daygame didn’t go any better.

Hopefully tonight is better, it’s a house party so I’ll definitely be talking to new people, so we’ll see what happens.

Either way when I go back to school I’ll have to start going out and meeting girls during the day. I’m thinking indirect openers will be the best option, though direct will have to be used too. I can’t wait idly for next year to go back to where I was over the summer to start meeting girls again.
 
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Thought you died man! Good to hear that you're still around.
 

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Thought you died man! Good to hear that you're still around.

LOL no not dead yet. Just unevenful so far, wish I could be back in the area and going out with you again though :)

Anyway yesterday was better, I talked to a couple of girls during the day, but they were people who initiated conversations with me first. At the party I talked to everyone, and tried flirting around. The level of drunkenness was too high though to make making a move worth it though.

Going back to school tomorrow and will hopefully start posting on a more semi-consistent level.
 
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So finally managed to do one approach today, it went as well as could be expected. Gave her a direct compliment, and she took it well. Accidentally said she had an accent when she didn't, then tried to make a joke by saying maybe she was out of breath. Also I was definitely chasing, but that's okay, because the main goal was just to do an approach. Asked for the date, but she had a boyfriend, so no luck there.

Mostly, I'm glad I'm putting myself out there again. Since the population of the school is much lower, I think I'm going to try and do just one approach a day as my goal, mainly to avoid getting a reputation as the creepy guy. Will try to post frequently.

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Long time since I posted. I’m currently abroad. Not really able to do cold approaches because I’m with a family friend, but went to a pub crawl today and talked to all the girls. I think some were interested but I didn’t have any logistics so I was mostly just practicing my flirting and having a fun time. Right now I’m in the north and am going to head more south tomorrow.
Today, I’m happy because I was social and overcame the approach anxiety. There was one English girl who I really liked who I think may have been open to me. She seemed to ask me a lot of questions. She asked if I’d ever gone to a prostitute (I have not) but made a joke that I go 24/7. I’m thinking of trying Chase’s different ways of sexual misinterpration now that I’ve read it. Anyway I’m hoping the pub crawls are fun. Towards the beginning of July I’ll be alone in Lisbon, Madrid, and Barcelona so hoping to have some fun, but only my next three cities do I have a semi private room with my friend, which would be my only locations with good logistics.
I’m also moving permanently in September so that should up my approach numbers a lot.
 
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Not much to say of this city. It's a really beautiful city, and the people here are all thin and really attractive. No day game possible on account of my family friend. Went out at night, but had bad luck in the pub crawls. They were very much filled with guys. There was one girl who I tried to get with. She was from Columbia and had a tattoo that I cold read really well. But since she was like the only marginally cute girl there, almost every guy was trying to hit on her, making competition pretty fierce. Some other brown dude with a man bun was having a better time with it, and she seemed to like him more, so I pulled out of it after a while. I think if I'd spent more time talking and deep diving it would have been better.
There was another really attractive girl there, who I liked more than the Columbian, but I chickened out and didn't approach.
On to the next city, which I've heard pretty good things about, and this should be the location with the best logistics, so we'll see where it goes.
 
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So updates. I was in a new city for the last two days and had moderate successes. On my first night I met an Australian girl and we got along pretty well. I don't think I did anything special in particular, but I did deep dive pretty well and create a us vs. the world vibe. We ended up just cuddling a little on the beach.

Third day there, I was getting food by myself and started a conversation to a girl, which she didn't really reply to, so I went back to eating. She reopened me later, and we started talking. I deep dived well. She's Korean, and around 30 years old. I think she liked me, but I didn't pull the trigger there. I also saw a girl I really liked at a pub crawl, but didn't have the guts to do anything or say anything to her. My new goal for the next few days is to go for girls I really like, who are of above-average caliber.
 
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So first night in a new spot. Met this Australian girl who was wearing super revealing clothing. Positives: I did the opening, I was touchy, and I tried deep diving. Negatives: I was too supplicating in that I was agreeing too much. She’s also one of those girls that works in the clubs as a man magnet, so she may also just be a flirt. Will need to test that out by asking for compliance. Overall not bad.

Met an Indian girl at a bar. Thankfully I haven’t regressed too much, or at least my regression is going away rapidly. LT he girl asked me for my number, so maybe that’ll go somewhere. Ditched the pub crawl because too many dudes.

Also question for anyone reading: say you’re with a girl but in a group, and she doesn’t want to go out, and you think there might be potential, how do you suggest that you will stay with the girl, if you are asked to go out. In my instance I tried to play off the Australian girl by saying that the sangria made me sleepy, but she also said I shouldn’t stay because of her. She also suggested that people not going to the pub crawl were pussies, so I felt like I had to go. Lost a lot of cred because of that and not sure if I can recover.
 
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Another decent night. Main things are that I flirted a lot and was fairly physical. No results though, which is starting to be a bummer, although not entirely unexpected.
Things I need to do more: sexualize interactions, add chase frames, and more intelligent/sexy teasing. I think I’m looking as good as can be, and my physical ness is good. Also need to do better about showing interest.
 
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