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Space Monkey
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OK, I am close to giving up, maybe that a good thing, but i am going to stick to my habit of writing a journal enttry once a week, so here i am. I didnt even do AA, but I am goig to make up the missded tim.....wait, just be a man... ask girls out. Im being stupid going up to girls and "HITTING" on them.... hitting =/= getting phone # ,,,, hittinh =/= sec

saying sstupiddhit. im on a mean streak. at the gym I told this sexy girl she was hogging the machine. I dont know if i will ever see her again. and it was unpleasant. you have to make the ask.
 
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Space Monkey
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OK, I am going to write an entry every monday. Cmon. let's go. It's been ok.
So I have decided to just go with the painting line. I'm a painter. I go up to girls and say, "Could I make a painting of you?'
It works because it's congruent to me... I am not sure if it is my best move if I just want to get laid.
I mean, to say it works is an overstatement. Maybe I'm being stubborn and lowering my results. But, it seems to work for me. As in, I've gotten lays off tinder, 1 off instagram. I just started doing it aggressively for cold approach. It works in that I get the number or instagram. Haven't gotten a lay yet.
Now, here;s the thing. I have this question about the numbers game.
So i understand the principle of the numbers game. But I think it can hurt you, because then you don't follow through, you're on to the next before you really got rejected.
So I can't say for sure about cold approach because I haven't hit that hard yet. But it should be similar.
The problem is that I am losing girls who are interested and only getting the girls that basically go for it with minimal conversation.
And they don't tend to be the highest quality.
I've had hot girls who are into it, but it may require that level of persistence that is very difficult when you are on to the next so quickly.
Does that make sense?
So like, maybe my instincts are wrong on this.
But for example, I got a hot girl's number from the gym past 2 times I went to the gym.
It was so easy that I feel like I could get a number every time I go. (of course I would want to do it without getting kicked out of the gym)
But, after I have a number I just get the feeling that I need to slow down and think of how to seal the deal. I want to go for 100% batting average.
I feel like throttling back the asking out, because I'll do what I do on instagram, which is let girls get away from me which would only require a bit more attention from me.
That's fine if you get good results but I'm not. I lack follow through.
That's why my thesis for tonight is that I need to step back from the "numbers game" approach and really focus on sealing the deal one girl at a time.
I would love to hear your thoughts.
Thank you fellas.
 

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So i understand the principle of the numbers game. But I think it can hurt you, because then you don't follow through, you're on to the next before you really got rejected.
So I can't say for sure about cold approach because I haven't hit that hard yet. But it should be similar.
In my view, everything is a number's game, it's all probabilities and taking the best risks you can.
I think that the optimal approach for game, most of the time, doesn't look like what most people do.
You gotta have a process, yes, but it should be flexible based on the girls you meet, their investment, where you meet them, who they are (or you think they are, based on appearances, stereotypes).

In practice, I think what this would look like is some (most?) girls you will try your generic shotgun approach, but if you see a better opportunity, you go more direct or something. Or go more indirect. Not even sure, but with some girls you will have to shake things up to make stuff happen, get out of your confort zone. Your usual game is made to maximize winning with most girls, but some girls will be too different for it to work with them, and I guess most of the high quality women, the really beautiful (inside and out) ones, will need a different approach.

The problem, of course, is that they are so rare that most guys are scared to try being creative with them, doing things they usually wouldn't do with girls. And then they don't develop this instinct for improvising. I will make a music/instrument analogy: the best players are the ones that can go with the flow, hear a song playing and play along with it, solo over it without even having to know the song beforehand. But the reason they can do this is they learned so much other music, following along carefully, playing it almost exact, note by note, that now they have a deeper understanding of music. So when they hear any song, they know what should work, and they are not afraid of trying stuff that could work (and could not), because, most of the time, their stuff works, and when it doesn't, it's just a few 2 or 3 notes that sound a bit off or even exotic, in the context, but the whole rest makes up for it.

Another reason they can improvise is that... They just tried improvising. If you're the best "mechanical" player in the world, and can play any song from a huge list you have, but you never tried playing along to something you didn't knew, you wouldn't be able to do it, at all (most likely). So with girls, if you're never trying something new, you always will end up with the same girls you can already get with your process. Yes, having a process is crucial for sucess overall on long term and learning, since you can't pick a pattern and tell if something works unless you do it a lot, but you can tell that something worked with a certain girl you tried once, and maybe that's all you wanted, this one girl. And if you had stayed with your same fixed rigid process, you would never have gotten this one girl. So doing some "random" things every now and then it's important for progressing with your game, I would say. Because if you're not changing your process as well, you're not learning, are you?

This also means some girls you'll spend way more time and energy to get to bed, others way less. Most guys focusing on "number's game" I think eject way too early with girls, because they are not following along, complying with their process, on the speed most of the others they end up bedding do. In your case @mrman I guess you really just need to spend some more effort in closing the deal, figuring out this follow through game you've been lacking. If you persist in the right way, eventually most girls will at least go on a date with you. I remember back when I had zero game and was 19 year old virgin still that I texted this girl for almost 6 fucking months, and eventually she showed up, a really cute shy blonde girl. I fucked up on the date just for not having any experience with girls and being so shy, if I just went for a kiss or something, maybe things would have been super different. But anyway, I got the date, with a random girl that I would say was out of my league, out of most 19 year olds league.

That's why my thesis for tonight is that I need to step back from the "numbers game" approach and really focus on sealing the deal one girl at a time.
Yeah I think you're right man, don't 100% stop approaching, of course, otherwise you lose all momentum, but try focusing most of your energy (that you put into game anyway) in getting better at closing.

Sorry if I got a bit too derailed, but your situation made me think about some meta game stuff lol, I'm changing things up with my follow through game, and it's been showing some results. No lays so far, but I'm feeling I'm going further with girls I would have given up already if I was on my old numbers' game.

Godspeed!
 
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So, I've been saying my mantra over and over. "I easily pick up hot chicks and fuck them really"
I have asked out a bunch of chicks. But haven't sealed the deal with any. I'm actually getting scared because I am asking girls if I can paint them, and it works really well. But the thing is, I got this one girl who said yes, and said she would bring a friend for safety (woohoo! threesome time) But I looked at her instagram and it looks like she has a boyfriend, a big guy. So now I have this fear of getting beat up if I'm too good at this. I mean, I know this older guy in his 40's who was a stud when he was younger and then years later some dude randomly knocked his teeth out for messing with his girlfriend. Well, whatever, I'm not going to worry. I'll just have to be tougher. I mean. What if I just be normal. Stay in my lane. Get a girlfriend. Whjatver. anyway, so I really feel like it is super easy to get girls to say yes to this. But like, I'm still a bit socially weird. I don't really have friends which I am sure is hurting me. I also need to reduce stress (my mantra works wonders) and I am quitting weed for 14 days at least. That is huge. So when I go up to girls now, I feel kind of deflated because I didn't fuck the last one that went well yet, so I don't trust my ability to follow through. But I know to get the earlier girls, it will help to get new girls and circle back. Anyway I should try to get together with this girl but I said, are you free tomorrow and she didn't respond.
OH SHIT- YES!!!
This gorgeous ginger chick with a perfect body just messaged me. She is free on Wednesday. OK, yes, fuck yes. This is off instagram (I saw her on tinder first) OK, so my plan is to copy as close as possible what I did the only other time I got pussy off instagram. This girl is way hotter, but I am going by the theory that all women are the same game at this point. So, I said "Wednesday work?" , and she said "Sure". The response is going to be "OK, great!" And what I did last time (it was a week ahead tho that time) was just left it at that. Then she said what do I wear, I said whatever, she said OK, and then I waited until 7:13 ON THE DAY, and said, 8:30 cool? And we talked for a bit but she came. So, basically, I've been fucking up my other ones by being too eager to make the plan, or she says she's on her way but I scare her off with a weir danxious thin. So I'm just doing tyhe caveman thing I'll just sit in my cave and wait till the girl gets here. OK, I don't feel like typing this. Well, I'm going to say OK, great. That's easy enough.
But like, I've fucked up where I give her the address and she's coming and then I say some week shit like lmk ur eta and then she's like wut I thought this guy was cool. Another time a girl said she was parking and I was so jumpy I think I said I can walk you over and she dissappeard. Girls agreeing to the date, once they have your address, don't say anything further, just go silent.
If you;re going to the, on the other hand, you need to be communicative, so they don't think you're not coming
 

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I have hardly been doing anything, because I just smoke so much weed. I'm trying to cut back as much as I can, I plan to go cold turkey for at least 14 days. Every time I quit I can feel all my vibes getting better and suddenly it's not so hard to get girls. But then I get upset for one reason or another and fall back into excessive smoking. That's really the main thing. GC advice is to be sober, and I think that is good advice. However, I do enjoy getting high. I think I will keep smoking every once in a while.
Then I have to deal with my underlying anxiety. I've gotten pretty good. But once I'm with a hot girl I will feel better. Maybe I shouldn't smoke. I kind of have a history of getting girls when I'm sober then fucking it up when I'm high. Sometimes I feel like it gives me the boldness to pursue. And it does, but it kills my libido in a way. So, it should really be your sexual desire and testosterone that gives you the boldness to pursue.
Or, that sort of chill-ness where you're not worrying about your date coming up, because you can't even remember.

So anyway, I haven't been cold approaching, but I will. Tomorrow I will cold approach at least 5 women.
 

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Wow, OK, I suck. I'm 30 now and still smoking weed almost evvery day. Very clera I need to quit. I'm trying to taper off but tbh I should probably quit cold turkey.
Anyway I read one of the posts here about a 30-day testosterone challenge and it was really inspirational. I for some reason never thought I had a testosterone problem, I thought it was a depression problem. But thinking back I realize I am quite submissive. I'm going to do a 30 day testosterone challege, which means no weed too.
On that post he said sex with a new woman increases testosterone. So question, I'm kind of over fucking low quality women because it doesn't make me feel better. However, just I continue doing it to keep the testosterone boost? I have a despereate girl calling me today but I am blowing her off because she asked if she could live with me. Never met her, and i already gave her my address. idiot. Is this a potential stalker? Should I ignore her? Or fuck her for the testosterone boost? She's really not hot enough to move the needle. But I'm assuming the scientific theory doesn't account for hotness. Just any girl will do.

So:
No weed.
Go out around hot women
sleep and exercise
keto diet
healthy supplements
no stress
competitive sports
winner effect
 

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Wow, OK, I suck. I'm 30 now and still smoking weed almost evvery day. Very clera I need to quit. I'm trying to taper off but tbh I should probably quit cold turkey.
Anyway I read one of the posts here about a 30-day testosterone challenge and it was really inspirational. I for some reason never thought I had a testosterone problem, I thought it was a depression problem. But thinking back I realize I am quite submissive. I'm going to do a 30 day testosterone challege, which means no weed too.
On that post he said sex with a new woman increases testosterone. So question, I'm kind of over fucking low quality women because it doesn't make me feel better. However, just I continue doing it to keep the testosterone boost? I have a despereate girl calling me today but I am blowing her off because she asked if she could live with me. Never met her, and i already gave her my address. idiot. Is this a potential stalker? Should I ignore her? Or fuck her for the testosterone boost? She's really not hot enough to move the needle. But I'm assuming the scientific theory doesn't account for hotness. Just any girl will do.

So:
No weed.
Go out around hot women
sleep and exercise
keto diet
healthy supplements
no stress
competitive sports
winner effect

Quit the weed. Ignore that girl with the red flags and find some girls you're actually into. Do those healthy habits.

Good plan.
 

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I have doing 1 approach a day. I feel like that’s a good habit. But, since I am on vacation I need to make the push and do the 4 a day. For as long as I have left off work. I’ve already taken 3 months off. Smoked too much weed but that’s how long it takes me to chill out. Stopping smoking now. 4 app/ day
Get a job. 4app/day till then.
1 a day fucked me up 2 days in a row. Don’t remember yesterday right now but today I got one girls ig and then didn’t ask any of the other girls that I saw. It felt ok to reject them because they weren’t as hot as the one I got. But, one was hanging around and I could’ve hung out with her. I was looking at her boobs (store girl . Got a hard on but didn’t go for it.

on the other hand. I feel like 1 a day can help you not burn out.
 

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I have doing 1 approach a day. I feel like that’s a good habit. But, since I am on vacation I need to make the push and do the 4 a day. For as long as I have left off work. I’ve already taken 3 months off. Smoked too much weed but that’s how long it takes me to chill out. Stopping smoking now. 4 app/ day
Get a job. 4app/day till then.
1 a day fucked me up 2 days in a row. Don’t remember yesterday right now but today I got one girls ig and then didn’t ask any of the other girls that I saw. It felt ok to reject them because they weren’t as hot as the one I got. But, one was hanging around and I could’ve hung out with her. I was looking at her boobs (store girl . Got a hard on but didn’t go for it.

on the other hand. I feel like 1 a day can help you not burn out.
 

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Dude, yes. Good job. I was only slightly high when I asked her. Remember you saw a hot chick (hotter, fat ass, blonde) after you bought the weed and that one did not go well. I mean. Now that I think of it that was an approach. I asked her a question and she turned her head. Counts as an approach. Lemme add to the snatch tourney
 

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I actually approached 4 girls today. Didn’t smoke weed. I’m 3 days sober. I went to the museum and I saw some girls on the lawn in bikinis. I went over to them and asked if I could make a painting of them. They said it was cool if I just watch them play pickleball and sketch them. So it was two skinny white bitches but I had my eye more on the blonde one. But she was deferring to the other one about if I could chill with them. I thought she was the alpha but later it occurred to me she was the single one-
So I was definitely nervous and felt like a simp. I said oh do you guys to go (blank) college and they said yeah. Then I didn’t follow up and just went quiet and started sketching. I should’ve followed up with what are you studying? They just started talking to each other about a class. So I sketched and felt nervous about staring at the brunettes tits for some reason. I wasn’t feeling very sexual. So I bailed very soon and left. They said they were too busy to pose for a painting some other time. Then I left and drove away to try to find other girls. But I realized I forgot my phone and went back. While driving it occurred to me based on the interaction the blonde had a boyfriend and the brunette was single and had decided to give me a chance.the blonde didn’t care either way. So I went back to get my phone from the grass and determined to ask for the contact more directly this time. However in practice I was addressing the blonde, who said she had a boyfriend, and didn’t ask the brunette directly. She wasn’t making it easy for me but I could tell she was giving me a chance. Both times I felt I was bailing too soon. And bailing on my conversational attempts. This is my problem, I’m afraid they don’t like me so I want to dip. But they haven’t rejected me. I need to stay put and pursue a line of questioning. But also should probably look at some articles about conversations. On the plus side, I did chill with some random cute college babes on campus even tho I’m 30 so I felt like I had balls. That being said, it wasn’t fun. I have been depressed but Im pushing through it.
Similar thing with another girl, she seemed down to have me draw her right then and there, but not give me her contacts. Well, I didn’t have my sketchbook and I bailed. I had it right nearby in my car. I should’ve gotten it and come back. Oh well. Then when I drive by her at a light I think she saw me looking and took a picture of my car. Oops
 

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Going to go for the instadate tomorrow and not worry about olg. Y? I used to get hot chicks on tinder. Do both. But I supppppppose I could also go out. See if my sister. Old be a good wing. Low-key think I need to become an alcoholic like pollock. So I go out more. Btw u guys should buy my paintings before I become famous.
 

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Oh gr8. Is this going to be online forever. I can’t have this.
 

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What are you doing my friend. Ah, fuck it.
I approached the most girls like, like ever, besides a bar yesterday. 5. It was around the water and I found where to go Sunday evening for a little jog, or in this case smoke. By walking in a totallly strange route I was able to approach 5 girls in the area without going around in circles everyone seeing me twice. Wow. It did not go well but I didn’t feel that great I mean I feel really great about it . Like it’s rejection and I don’t care. I could’ve stopped at the first one who made it sound like ‘not today!’ But I kept going and the other ones were rejections. After that. Sort of proving my theory about 1 a day. However, it made me feel like a horn dog with big balls, even if I wasn’t getting a hard on. Well today I intend to approach 50. How do you even do that? I guess night game counts. Whoops. It’s Monday. Well I am going to day game as much as possible. Gonna try to go to the beach or something. Yes. I can nap on the beach. I am tired.
only have 2 days till new job. Need to go all out today and tomorrow.
 

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What are you doing my friend. Ah, fuck it.
I approached the most girls like, like ever, besides a bar yesterday. 5. It was around the water and I found where to go Sunday evening for a little jog, or in this case smoke. By walking in a totallly strange route I was able to approach 5 girls in the area without going around in circles everyone seeing me twice. Wow. It did not go well but I didn’t feel that great I mean I feel really great about it . Like it’s rejection and I don’t care. I could’ve stopped at the first one who made it sound like ‘not today!’ But I kept going and the other ones were rejections. After that. Sort of proving my theory about 1 a day. However, it made me feel like a horn dog with big balls, even if I wasn’t getting a hard on. Well today I intend to approach 50. How do you even do that? I guess night game counts. Whoops. It’s Monday. Well I am going to day game as much as possible. Gonna try to go to the beach or something. Yes. I can nap on the beach. I am tired.
only have 2 days till new job. Need to go all out today and tomorrow.
Honestly I feel like I’m in heaven.
 

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The first one was like, You think I’m beautiful? And then I noticed she had a small moustache. But I thought she as sexy from far away. No bra on a that. No panties on, I presume. Black flared yoga pants. Leggings. What have you. Knit top. Thin frame nice tits and ass.
well I went to the lake and it got a bit weird with me keep thinking I’m going g to run into girl from High school. Again. I ran into her with her sister. Some girl that looked like her but almost certainly wasn’t her’s dog started barking at me. I almost wanted to ask if she’s her. I basically yelled across the street at some hot chick asking if it was her sister right before and then I think I see the older one. Maybe it was them. As you may be gathering, I’m going around without my glasses.
and high.
whoops.
so, anyway some young looking chicks show up and I walk around weirdly. Then some college looking chicks come over and I walk back across the street as the uglier one she’s me watch her take her top off and show her nice breasts in a bikini. Honestly should’ve drunken in the view a bit more. So I get their instagrams. The point of writing this is what?
Ok so then I went to the bank and got a bunch of cash for Jo reason and saw a blonde in leggings who appeared to wait outside for me to hit on her but when I approached was to be on the phone. And looked almost like a milf. So I left. Then I walked into a Fancy Fucking Farmacy when I saw this fat ass girl that looked around my age. I just bought an expensive drink and left.
 

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The two lake girls were hot blondes. Very into them. I say the uglier one. They were both decent. One had something on her lip, tbh. Maybe 8s or high sevens. Idk. Nah definitely 7s. Definitely want to fuck. Oth of them. One looks like has a boyfriend prom date. Of course that counts for nothing in college, right?
I talked mainly to the bikini top one. I definitely sort of made her press follow. I went provat as I’ve seen advised here. Luckily that seems to have worked well as BOTH girls followed me after I walked away- I was worried the other chick wouldn’t!
 
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