Should I even bother getting into online dating apps, paying for professional pics & training, etc?

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Lol i hear you.

But tinder doesn’t really call for great copy.

I meant "copy in marketing" as a metaphore for "pictures in online dating". But my main question was this: how do you rate on photofeeler? Put up 10 of your best pics there and let us know, If you rate in the 5-6 range I'll try your method.

Do that with 100 matches, you’re getting laid a fair few times if you know how to run a good date.

Hey, if I could get 100 matches that are actually anywhere near as hot as what I can get in daygame I would! I have no issue converting matches to dates or dates to lays.

 

[TomInHo]

I meant "copy in marketing" as a metaphore for "pictures in online dating". But my main question was this: how do you rate on photofeeler? Put up 10 of your best pics there and let us know, If you rate in the 5-6 range I'll try your method.

Hey, if I could get 100 matches that are actually anywhere near as hot as what I can get in daygame I would! I have no issue converting matches to dates or dates to lays.

Photo feeler is just a tool to guide you. It doesn’t always translate well

My best performing photo ranked me as 5 IIRC. But that same photo got a lot of girls to cum over to my house same night to play a game of twister

Test things out guys and please don’t give up after 1-2 months then come here complaining about how online is BS

 

[topcat]

I meant "copy in marketing" as a metaphore for "pictures in online dating". But my main question was this: how do you rate on photofeeler? Put up 10 of your best pics there and let us know, If you rate in the 5-6 range I'll try your method.

Hey, if I could get 100 matches that are actually anywhere near as hot as what I can get in daygame I would! I have no issue converting matches to dates or dates to lays.

i won’t be uploading 10, but i’ve uploaded my best picture, one taken by a photographer friend at that (bare in mind this picture is better than most of my tinder photos). Will report back..

 

[Ronnie]

Dude no offense what you did in your 20s aka 15 years ago means jack shit today...all game styles is what you have done for me lately in other words have you achieve dick on pussy lately if that is your goal, or are you dating the girl you want etc... when i went from cold approach to test online it was extremely frustrating....

More like 5-6 years ago but I totally agree it's recent results that matters. Recent results for me is breaking up from a long relationship a few months ago, banging 2 girls from social circle game, and getting a few numbers from day game & night bars (I don't do the big clubs anymore). It's kinda like a slow upward trend and right now I feel online dating can damage this trend.

The moment I am banging chicks regularly from cold approach, I'll get those pro pics and give it a try for sure. I just wanna make sure I don't clip my own wings too soon.

 

[Skills]

More like 5-6 years ago but I totally agree it's recent results that matters. Recent results for me is breaking up from a long relationship a few months ago, banging 2 girls from social circle game, and getting a few numbers from day game & night bars (I don't do the big clubs anymore). It's kinda like a slow upward trend and right now I feel online dating can damage this trend.

The moment I am banging chicks regularly from cold approach, I'll get those pro pics and give it a try for sure. I just wanna make sure I don't clip my own wings too soon.

Ronnie again, i am cold approach crew all the way. Never stop i used to ridicule online.... what i am saying is keep doing what you are doing...cold approach always #1... my point is dont pay for coaching unless maybe tominho, you have the best online guys in the forum, thom and top cat are legit good game, i dont agree with everything like selfies. i just dont want to doxx anybody but they really good, thom is like a big deal dude...anyways, i am saying field test and use as a form of diversification lead source...i use it in the toilet, waiting in line,for food etc...think of it as compliment to cold approach...though no needed, also again night game slowly comming back...

 

[topcat]

i won’t be uploading 10, but i’ve uploaded my best picture, one taken by a photographer friend at that (bare in mind this picture is better than most of my tinder photos). Will report back..

@Karea Ricardus D. scored a 5

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

You gotta upload 10 and get 80 people to rate it for statistically relevant results

 

[topcat]

You gotta upload 10 and get 80 people to rate it for statistically relevant results

I'm not doing all that.

But bro if you can upload 10 pictures and wait for statistically relevant results on an app that doesnt pay you nor get your dick wet, but rather destroys your ego, why not apply the same initiative to tinder? At least you'll get something out of it.

 

[topcat]

@Karea Ricardus D. scored a 5

update: it’s now rated a 4..

 

[Ronnie]

update: it’s now rated a 4..

On one of the pics were they rated me 5.8 in terms of attractiveness, they rated me a 9.2 in terms of "smart-looking". Gonna use that on my business profiles

 

[Derek da man]

Out of curiosity, I tried to test my two best selfies on fotofeeler. One got a 5 and one got a 6. It's indeed gotta be a long preparation time before I will even sign up to one of those dating apps.

Girls have much broader tastes than men do. Some girls think I'm very attractive, others don't. That's fine but I've learnt to recognise those that are interested. When I meet a girl whose body language shows she's interested then I play the game with her, if she's not interested then I move on. In effect I don't waste time and effort.

Just to answer the original question, most of my dates and lays are social circle etc but I do use Tinder occasionally. It can be soul destroying so don't take it at all seriously but it does provide a couple of opportunites every few months - but as I say it is very much a side line.

 

[Adventurer]

I used Photofeeler to improve my online dating profile and I think it works pretty well

When I started, my picd were rated around 5 or 6 attractiveness and I had zero matches

7 was the cutoff in my region. When I reached 7 to 7.5 on ALL pics, that's when I started to get dates and lays from online.

I don't really like online, currently learning cold approach to stop relying on it. But photofeeler definitely works. Btw 80 votes is overkill, I only paid for 20/pics and that's just fine. But you do want to test a lot of different pics

 

[Alpha13SC]

For me and my friend who does online and gets quality girls, the photos rated high on photofeeler(at least 9) have most success. 8+ are fine too.

 

[Ronnie]

I used Photofeeler to improve my online dating profile and I think it works pretty well

When I started, my picd were rated around 5 or 6 attractiveness and I had zero matches

7 was the cutoff in my region. When I reached 7 to 7.5 on ALL pics, that's when I started to get dates and lays from online.

I don't really like online, currently learning cold approach to stop relying on it. But photofeeler definitely works. Btw 80 votes is overkill, I only paid for 20/pics and that's just fine. But you do want to test a lot of different pics

I am done with the photofeeler experiment for now cuz I already spent $20 on this thing (that's at least two lunches right there).
Finally, the last picture I tested, taken by my sister with me looking outside of a cab's window and with some light Photoshop filters, got a 6.9.
Guess there is room for improvement also considering I am still quite slim and only recently started going to the gym seriously. I'll work low-key and with no pressure to get those 8+ pictures sooner or later.
Meanwhile daygame, social circle game and trying to pass for a 29 year old in the clubs LOL

 

[POB]

What I'm getting from this discussion:
1) guys that know how to run live game tend to struggle to get results on apps. Why? Because they think that they are projecting the same self-image on a virtual environment. Wrong.
2) those same guys, once struggling with apps, take a hit to their inner game. This is something that doesn't happen too often on live game with intermediates and advanced who already have experienced success.
2) too many people still putting too much focus on texting and other shenanigans. Apps are about pictures and numbers. If they dig your pictures, and you are putting in the numbers, you can run meh texting and they still gonna meet with you. If they are neutral about your virtual self, you have an uphill battle with your texting.
3) social media is not the same as apps. Apps are pure online. SM is a mix of online and social, even if done on a virtual environment. Very different approaches (only a few things overlap).

The purpose of online is to create a virtual archetype of your best self. Your pictures are there for this sole purpose. If you are short, bald, ethnic, etc, etc, own it, and run it with pride (like you would in real life). Girls that dig that archetype are gonna match and meet with you.

E.g. I'm tall, bulky and kinda nerdy. So that's what I run in all my virtual profiles. I'm not a tattooed bad boy. I'm not a sensitive romantic poet. I'm not the super extrovert who wants to be the centerpiece of the party. Tall, big, muscular, somewhat nerdy....all that in their faces right from the get go.

 

[POB]

For me and my friend who does online and gets quality girls, the photos rated high on photofeeler(at least 9) have most success. 8+ are fine too.

Yeah, that's what I get too
Side note: why pay for photofeeler if you can do it for free?

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

I mean overall is not that bad now that I have looked at how scores are calculated.
I ended up uploading 4 selfies (not professional pics) on photo feeler, for a total of 40 votes.

1 woman found me VERY ATTRACTIVE
9 women found me ATTRACTIVE
21 women found me SOMEWHAT ATTRACTIVE
9 women found me NOT ATTRACTIVE

Still, I want the best pics possible before I even invest my time in this thing. For the time being, improving my day game skills sounds like the more reasonable thing to do, wouldn't you agree?

Sounds good enough for me to get started

I agree with @topcat, you just need to grind on the app and figure out what works

If you think about if it was cold approach, those survey results would mean you had a pretty decent shot with 75% of the women

I think to hope for more is to set unrealistic expectations and also put off the real work of matching for a later date

Also keep in mind that women view attractiveness differently than men, it’s not all about looks.

I bet the somewhat attractive option was rated so highly not because you weren’t attractive, but because the women were skeptical.

They need more than just a hot bod to convince them your worth going on a date with. A lot girls go on dates just because their curious about the guy

 

[Skills]

What I'm getting from this discussion:
1) guys that know how to run live game tend to struggle to get results on apps. Why? Because they think that they are projecting the same self-image on a virtual environment. Wrong.
2) those same guys, once struggling with apps, take a hit to their inner game. This is something that doesn't happen too often on live game with intermediates and advanced who already have experienced success.
2) too many people still putting focus on texting and other shenanigans. Apps are about pictures and numbers. If they dig your pictures, and you are putting in the numbers, you can run meh texting and they still gonna meet with you. If they are neutral about your virtual self, you have an uphill battle with your texting.
3) social media is not the same as apps. Apps are pure online. SM is a mix of online and social, even if done on a virtual environment. Very different approaches (only a few things overlap).

The purpose of online is to create a virtual archetype of your best self. Your pictures are there for this sole purpose. If you are short, bald, ethnic, etc, etc, own it, and run it with pride (like you would in real life). Girls that dig that archetype are gonna match and meet with you.

E.g. I'm tall, bulky and kinda nerdy. So that's what I run in all my virtual profiles. I'm not a tattooed bad boy. I'm not a sensitive romantic poet. I'm not the super extrovert who wants to be the centerpiece of the party. Tall, big, muscular, somewhat nerdy....all that in their faces right from the get go.

^ good...totally disagree about the texting part, it does matter...

 

[topcat]

RIP

 

[POB]

^ good...totally disagree about the texting part, it does matter...

For apps? Not as much as pictures.
It matters AFTER pictures.
Kinda obvious really....how can you apply texting if you are not matching?

I didn't say it doesn't matter in general.
I said that, for apps, it matters less than pictures, especially when you are starting out (like the OP).
I know it sounds lame, because it is lame.

It's different from when you get her contact live and have to text her later.
NOW texting is the most important thing.

For online: first put focus on getting matches (pictures/profile)...than put focus on getting dates (texting)...than put focus on turning dates to lays (game). That's the overall path.

Look at Karea's comment about how the sites>apps transition changed the landscape of texting first.
(and I experienced this transition first hand).