Should I even bother getting into online dating apps, paying for professional pics & training, etc?

[topcat]

Best hack i’ve found for pics is using pics an ex (or current) girlfriend had taken of you while you weren’t looking (or just one she took of you without you having to ask her to).

Those tend to work really well as they’re taken from the gaze of a woman.

 

[Conquistador]

CASE STUDY: i went to lima peru. got a huge bump on badoo where i am showcasing my bright n wild side

Funny enough Badoo came up in another context earlier so I looked it up.

It seems like a VERY interesting alternative to apps.

What have your experiences with it been like, in general?

 

[King]

I’m sorry guys, I don’t know what happened to this thread. But it went from trying to be helpful to a complete lolfest. Y’all are great

 

[POB]

About using professional pics, I'll share my results:
- 15 good matches on one day using only one app (bumble), total of 2 hours spent swiping...ages vary (from 22 to 37)...if I count those who did not interest me and I ignored, you can double this number;
- 2 dates pre settled, one with a solid 8 who is really my type;
- one of the matches is a bissexual who likes to do swinging;
- my texting is not as tight as it used to be, but it's getting the job done;
All this using online as a side project, because right now I'm focusing on my bachata classes.
(trying to put together a crew to rock the latin clubs).
Take from this what you like, but I love letting my pictures do the heavy lifting.

From what I'm getting, there's two camps:
- one with heavy focus on profile and texting;
- another with heavy focus on pictures;

I guess both are right!!!
As long as you are succeeding with your strategy, why change?
Ideally, I think it's best to focus on your strengths (without letting the other half be a weakness).
If you have amazing pictures, focus on getting your texting to good enough to get dates.
If you have amazing texting and a cool profile, focus on getting your pictures to good enough for matching.
In time you probably will be able to combine everything into a powerful combo.
Simple as that.

 

[POB]

I don’t like linking to places off site out of respect to Chase by Andy from Kill Your Inner Loser has a free, and VERY extensive, dating app guide that covers everything. Always link it to people who say they have trouble with dating apps.

I second this, his guide is amazing!

 

[Skills]

From what I'm getting, there's two camps:
- one with heavy focus on profile and texting;
- another with heavy focus on pictures;

^ i did not see this, we are saying BOTH are important, pob in your post you said "meh texting will do" that is were we were disagreeing... Everything matters.... Is like in cold approach people saying looks don't matter, or people saying all about game... Both matter...

 

[POB]

^ i did not see this, we are saying BOTH are important, pob in your post you said "meh texting will do" that is were we were disagreeing... Everything matters.... Is like in cold approach people saying looks don't matter, or people saying all about game... Both matter...

Semantics man...but to be fair, you guys were kinda of downplaying professional pics, when they clearly work.
(and in some cases, can even bypass bland texting)
I know this because I tested it myself, so you can't convince me otherwise, sorry.

But we cool, and I agree with you that everything matters.
And if you read all my comments, I always say you should learn a bit of everything.

My current focus on pictures is just a way of going full throttle for highest possible odds on online.
I don't want to waste time there like I used to do in the past.
Much more fun going to clubs or sarging during the day.

 

[Warped Mindless]

My .02 cents…. If your pics sucks you won’t get a chance to text her.

I think we, as a community, need to be more careful when we tell people to get professional pics though. I seen guys get that advice and then go out and get the traditional bland, definitely not sexy, type of professional pics. The pics need to be taken by someone who knows the goal is to make you look cool and sexy.

 

[Skills]

Semantics man...but to be fair, you guys were kinda of downplaying professional pics, when they clearly work.
(and in some cases, can even bypass bland texting)
I know this because I tested it myself, so you can't convince me otherwise, sorry.

No man, you are confused, read vision answer and my clarification... Professional pics (i got them totally did not work), vision is saying the same...

We are saying if you are going to get professional pics, has to be from someone in the seduction niche or ties to the seduction niche that knows was he is doing...

I field tested and paid for pro pics totally did not work...

here are the quotes:

So i will clarify op.... I paid for professional pics they did not work, i did it with a professional photographer = bad So what i am saying if you are going to go the professional route it has to be a dude that is endorce by a seducer that knows what he is doing OR A SEDUCER THAT TAKE PROFESSIONAL PICS, both have to be legit, if is not there then is not worth paying the money....

here is vision quote:

+1 to this... I actually got professional pics done by a guy who was some long time married dude who had no idea wtf is going on when it comes to pickup or dating and the photos performed like shit.

When I switched over to a guy who understood game, that's when I had success with the photos...

I'd say that pro photos help to the extent that they're designed to help and they won't help to the extent that they're just some random pro photos taken without any context to what women are most attracted to... at least that's my experience.

@POB you were right is i did not see the rest of the sentence, i think we are saying the same, cause you said neutral, that is what i am talking when texting matters more of the yellowish women, you actually did mention it...

2) too many people still putting too much focus on texting and other shenanigans. Apps are about pictures and numbers. If they dig your pictures, and you are putting in the numbers, you can run meh texting and they still gonna meet with you. If they are neutral about your virtual self, you have an uphill battle with your texting.

^ just clarifying cause we are saying the same things, is just the sematics as you said and the context confusing stuff..... I deal for example with a lot of yellows, no all my girls are green...

 

[POB]

My .02 cents…. If your pics sucks you won’t get a chance to text her.

I think we, as a community, need to be more careful when we tell people to get professional pics though. I seen guys get that advice and then go out and get the traditional bland, definitely not sexy, type of professional pics.

Fair point!
Perhaps there's something guys with a high lay count have, that other guys may be missing....
Maybe this intangible could translate to your pictures?
If it can, girls will definitely pick up on that.

The pics need to be taken by someone who knows the goal is to make you look cool and sexy.

As an amateur photographer, I can say there's a limit on what you can do with the model.
Every great essay is a collaboration, much like dancing.
Your mood matters a lot!
This is why I agree with @topcat : pictures taken by your ex when you were in love can look amazing!

 

[SexualHero]

This is a projection.
I'm 43, soon to be 44, and still able to match with <25 hbs without hiding my age.

I think you won't be even shown to most girls <25 because of age filter. I guess its fine if you live in really big city, otherwise faking your age seems to me as best course of action for anybody over 40 ( its big round number and most younger girls put it as max limit )

 

[TomInHo]

I think you won't be even shown to most girls <25 because of age filter. I guess its fine if you live in really big city, otherwise faking your age seems to me as best course of action for anybody over 40 ( its big round number and most younger girls put it as max limit )

This is true but you also need to be aware that there are women that are below 25 that actually prefer older men. IMO if you're older and want that demo it's wiser to use a site like Seeking Arrangements and run salt daddy game to reel them in.

Younger women on those sites are actively looking for older men and if you have game you can take them off their script for using you for money and instead use you for dick

For apps like Tinder, Bumble , Hinge we can't deny that the younger you are the easier it will be for you to match with and fuck younger women but it still can be done as an older man... just expect to put in more numbers

 

[DonGately]

If you have good pics Hinge and Tinder are virtually as good as anywhere else. And I'm an older man.

 

[TomInHo]

If you have good pics Hinge and Tinder are virtually as good as anywhere else. And I'm an older man.

Read above again

BTW I have field tested running profiles with different ages, and even with the same photos and profile I match with MORE younger women on Hinge, Tinder and Bumble when I change my age to younger

 

[DonGately]

Still says, 'If you have good pics Hinge and Tinder are virtually as good as anywhere else. And I'm an older man.'

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

BTW I have field tested running profiles with different ages, and even with the same photos and profile I match with MORE younger women on Hinge, Tinder and Bumble when I change my age to younger

Specifically what were those ages (the higher and the lower one)?

 

[TomInHo]

Specifically what were those ages (the higher and the lower one)?

27 and 35

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Makes sense... not even surprising. I remember when I was 32 I set my online profile to 27, looking back on that now I'm like WTF was I thinking? 30-35 is peak male SMV.

 

[TomInHo]

Makes sense... not even surprising. I remember when I was 32 I set my online profile to 27, looking back on that now I'm like WTF was I thinking? 30-35 is peak male SMV.

35 may be peak SMV but you will still be out of the dating range for some younger girls. Especially the 18-24 year range

You have to remember that on dating apps women can apply filters to their profile and if you’re outside their range you will not show up in their feed even if you have a top %1 profile

 

[Ed Nigma]

Look what you said you can have meh texting those are your words that does not match my experience or the dudes i help... many good looking guys with great pics and matches totally fuck up the texting...

Hi, I get matches on tinder but I don’t know how to text well. Can you help me?

If anyone would like to coach me on that I would really appreciate it