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Hey thanks for clarifying. I really liked this interaction, very good vibe.
There's a few tweaks I would suggest, just for your consideration... My game sucks right now but this indirect game stuff I have it dialed in pretty tight. I can easily talk to a girl for half an hour and have her like me, at the very least as a friend, so she wants to see me again at least in that context. So I hope the following is helpful:
I would have said something that relates to what she said, that way the conversation has a natural flow. Each thing that's being said leads directly to the next thing that's being said, and so forth.
This is better than jumping around topics randomly just to keep the conversation going. Asking her what she does is also rapport seeking, because it is, once again, a question, and specifically a question about her. "I'm interested in you! I want to know about you?"
I may have said something like "yeah tell me about it, I've been here 6 months and I think I talked to 3 people here... it's weird how anonymous this place is." See if she bites on one of those conversational threads you dangle.
That's basically the whole reason Mystery had the A3 phase in his gameplan. MOST guys make the mistake you just made here... As soon as a girl shows even the slightest bit of interest, they pounce immediately towards a close of some sort. That basically sub communicates that you will be interested just because she's interest. And that's not a legitimate reason in a woman's mind.
Instead, when a girl shows interest, use that to build compliance gradually, make her qualify herself, and let her win you over gradually. I would also have liked a few more teases, cold reads, maybe a frame or two and a comfort piece. But the main stay of this early game is a lot of qualification. A good 8 minutes or so (interwoven with other elements like rapport, teasing, DHV, etc.)
Overall a very cool interaction, I just thought it could flow a little bit more naturally, and you could have been a little bit more patient with the close... but I really like where this is going. I think indirect game is where the real art is at because direct is largely a numbers game and a girl who takes a direct opener is almost as DTF as a tinder match...
Hopefully we can meet in the spring and do some of this stuff together!
There's a few tweaks I would suggest, just for your consideration... My game sucks right now but this indirect game stuff I have it dialed in pretty tight. I can easily talk to a girl for half an hour and have her like me, at the very least as a friend, so she wants to see me again at least in that context. So I hope the following is helpful:
I would have done something observational first.Bismarck: how long have you been here (in the building)?
- When you ask her how long she's been here, it's already seeking rapport. The subtext is "I'm interested in you, tell me about yourself?"
- Whereas if you do something observational, the subtext is "I can't help myself I had to comment on this thing. I'm extroverted. It's not about you, it's about me and my motor mouth I like hearing myself talk."
Good one!Her: 1 or 2 years (don't remember)
Bismarck: oh, coz I don't think I've ever seen you before
I would have commented on what she said. "What do you do" is non sequitor, it's a break in the conversation and a bit jarring. No need to change topics yet, the first topic could still go on a little more.Her: yeah I don't know anyone in the building
Bismarck: what do you do?
I would have said something that relates to what she said, that way the conversation has a natural flow. Each thing that's being said leads directly to the next thing that's being said, and so forth.
This is better than jumping around topics randomly just to keep the conversation going. Asking her what she does is also rapport seeking, because it is, once again, a question, and specifically a question about her. "I'm interested in you! I want to know about you?"
I may have said something like "yeah tell me about it, I've been here 6 months and I think I talked to 3 people here... it's weird how anonymous this place is." See if she bites on one of those conversational threads you dangle.
Excellent. I really like this part a lot.Her: I study pharmacy
Successful tease:
Bismarck: you're learning how to make drugs?
Her: (giggles) yes, you could say that
Bismarck: is it a good money maker?
Her: oh yeah, here it is
Bismarck: coz it is back home
Boom! Yes, nice IOI from her.Hook:
Her: where are you from?
Yeah, way too abrupt. You absolutely have to qualify before asking a girl out, at least a little bit.Bismarck: I'm from xyz
Her: oh, nice. I'm also not from here, I'm from xyz and came here to study
Abrupt transition to date invite:
Bismarck: do you want to maybe get a drink sometime?
That's basically the whole reason Mystery had the A3 phase in his gameplan. MOST guys make the mistake you just made here... As soon as a girl shows even the slightest bit of interest, they pounce immediately towards a close of some sort. That basically sub communicates that you will be interested just because she's interest. And that's not a legitimate reason in a woman's mind.
Instead, when a girl shows interest, use that to build compliance gradually, make her qualify herself, and let her win you over gradually. I would also have liked a few more teases, cold reads, maybe a frame or two and a comfort piece. But the main stay of this early game is a lot of qualification. A good 8 minutes or so (interwoven with other elements like rapport, teasing, DHV, etc.)
Overall a very cool interaction, I just thought it could flow a little bit more naturally, and you could have been a little bit more patient with the close... but I really like where this is going. I think indirect game is where the real art is at because direct is largely a numbers game and a girl who takes a direct opener is almost as DTF as a tinder match...
Hopefully we can meet in the spring and do some of this stuff together!
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