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Quick note today:

Once you’ve walked past her, let her soak your presence for moments (3-5 seconds) then open, otherwise it will become awkward. This is what has been pointed out to me and what I need to start making adjustments on.
 

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Went out with friends for the night.

I don't know why, but my mood is in an extremely depressed state right now. It's strange because I've been going through an amazing winning streak in all aspects of life right now. I'm fit, my work is giving me more and more responsibility with ample opportunity to advance, I'm winning competitions with friends.

Tonight I had one great interaction with a girl, and a great lead as a girl basically told me to open her. And yet, I feel hollow.

Need to diagnose where these feelings are coming from-are they a symptom of having too many people I'm close to affecting my ego and societal conformation? Or is it an internal thing that requires lifestyle changes to fix?

 
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the issue is related to sexual frame as opposed to social frame-at least with regards to girls not replying to my initial message. This is part of the reason I think my direct game days led to more dates, as the frame of man-to-women is set on the first few words, though you lose out on your own power. Hence my desire to switch to indirect, but resulting in a loss of that man-to-woman sexual frame. Curious on your thoughts here as well.

Whether its social frame or sexual frame causing this hiccup [or both!], the underlying issue is lack of framing, so you will benefit from setting more frames overall.

What indirect sexual frames have you added in, or are considering adding in, to replace the M2W frame?

Let me outline my texting guide that I've followed so far.

And after looking at how Todd V texts (after receiving information from a wing that my texts appear needy), switched to this (same time interval):

Me: Hey X it's Kvothe

If I were a girl getting that text 45 minutes later from a guy I met who I really liked, I'd be......

.....disappointed.

It's formal, anti-climatic, and boring. I would say, save it for the sets where you were both apathetic about each other. But even then..... if both of you weren't digging it, theres little purpose in exchanging numbers.

Take numbers from girls where its clear you like each other, and text them something personable and warm instantly:
FOG: hi HB super nice to meet you :) - fog
HB: super nice to meet you too fog :)

Now onto your follow up from the icebreaker:
Since I usually day game in the evenings, I would send another message the next day, usually around 10:30-11AM, with some question/follow up based on whatever we had talked about the evening before.

You've got the right idea to follow up your icebreaker text with a topic based off of whatever you had talked about in-person.

However, that topic should not be something boring like chores and studying as you did directly below....that will make her panties dryer than the saharan desert.

Saturday
Me: (On insta-date) Kvothe
Me: (2 hours post insta-date @ 5PM): Were you able to get any studying done before dinner? ;)
Her: (@9:19PM): Unfortunately I did not
Her: (@9:19PM): But I did walk around a lot and it was great

Sunday
Me: (@4:50PM): An excellent way to whet the appetite
Me: (@4:50PM): So "present you" was left to take care of all the chores "past you" ignored today haha?
Her: (@5:35PM): yeah ig (I guess) but I got some stuff done today
Me: (@6:43PM): Wish I could say the same... sleep deprivation is a killer lol

Ideally, recall the high point or something meaningful she had told you about herself, and continue along the same lines. Like so:

FRIDAY
FOG:
super nice to meet you HB :) - fog
HB: likewise :) you'll have to lmk if you think of the person with the vibe, im curious now
SATURDAY
FOG:
HB, do you know what i've just realized?
HB: what have you realized??
FOG: ok so remember how we were talking about....how you had quit social media?
HB: yes i do recall that conversation
FOG: oh thank goodness. well i dont think you told me exactly what drove you to quit (normally i could guess but with you i have no idea!)
HB: Part of it was bc I just couldn’t handle seeing more and more bad news day after day….ive gotten so accustomed to it at this point I never really realized how much negativity it can bring into life. Also just sick of how fake everything is on the internet, and it started feeling really pointless + I had no interest anymore.
HB: i also learned that spending 2 hours a day on ur phone is the equivalent of losing an entire month of the year so realizing that was the final tipping point, just felt like there were better things I could find to fill my time
HB: What do u think about it? Id be intrigued to hear your thoughts about social media and the internet and such

If you can't think of a high point or something meaningful to her, then you need to go back and work on creating those moments to bring up later down the line in your texting.
 
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Thanks @fog, appreciate the advice and will try to use it going forward.

Did two seated opens yesterday. Main thing I need to fix is that I need to talk less in the beginning. I talk too much, but also interrupt a girl responding to me to continue talking. It's important to remember it's a conversation.

Will be going out again this week and hopefully to enjoy Halloweekend.

Was in the shower and was thinking about a gambit I'm trying to come up with. I've been reading My Secret Garden, by Nancy Friday, and I think it can be weaved into a conversation to do a lot of good things.



Start off with a weasel phrase, introducing a conversation you had with a female friend, where she tells you about this book she's been reading. I'm not sure if this falls into the realm of proxies, but it seems low risk since you aren't actually discussing her own sexuality, you're discussing a wider group of female sexuality.

There's also a little bit of intrigue and making her work to hear about the book in question.

Me: I was talking with a friend recently, and she recommended a books she's found fascinating.
Her: Oh, what is it about?
Me: It's a little bit risque of a topic, is that okay?
Her: Sure!
Me: She recommended me this book, it's called "My Secret Garden" by a feminist author in the 50s or so. The book is basically an in depth look into female sexuality and female sexual fantasies. My friend said it was extremely incisive.
Her: Really?
Me: The author apparently reached out to various women, across the spectrum of society, and asked them to share their sexual fantasies anonymously with her. Many did, and the author was apparently able to group them into different archetypes and genres. Do you know the most interesting thing my friend said about the book though?
The above gives a way that I think should allow the transition to a good subject, without running into resistance along the way.

From here, we can go into something juicier, and talk about women's sexuality and how women aren't allowed by society to be sexual. And then contrast ourselves against men while discussing the Madonna-Whore complex.

Her: What?
Me: She was describing the reaction some of these women had when asked by the author, and a huge portion of the women mentioned how they had never told a soul about any of their fantasies-as far as their partners, their friends, and society was concerned, they were pristine, asexual angels. But the fantasies they shared showed that that image they put up was completely and utterly false. What was even more interesting was that the women who did feel comfortable with the people they were with, with the partners who allowed them to feel liberated, to feel unapologetically sexual... who accepted them and knew that this is how a woman's sexuality is... with them, they were able to let themselves go in this moment, to lose themselves in these feelings and the pleasure with a non-judgmental partner.
Her: That makes a lot of sense.
Me: My friend told me she felt the author had really identified something that she felt a lot of men she's met are guilty of. She'll go out on a date with a guy like that for dinner and while she may like a guy, she feels like she has to keep her sensual side guarded and protected, if he might judge her for showing it. Such a sad thing to feel you have to hide, really. And then she also told me when she goes out to a bar at night, all of a sudden it's like she's being treated like a piece of meat, with those same guys groping at her and being boorish. It sometimes feels difficult to win in that situation, doesn't it?
Her: Yeah, I totally get that, it sucks when it happens.
Me: She felt that it kind of explained why the women in the book, who had partners who understood and appreciated women's sexuality, sounded so much happier than the women who had to hide that side of themselves from the people around them.
So I think this above section should do a lot of things to let a woman feel allowed to be sexual with you, and is doing it covertly, since the conversation is still about a discussion you've had with a friend (and the friend had brought it up to you).

I think it should be possible to move this into discretion frames/secret society as well, or perhaps just switching topics to fractionate at this point too.

Maybe a simple comment to finish off the conversation like below:

Me: You know what I find funny about the last thing my friend said?
Her: What?
Me: Apparently, even the women who had accepting and open partners, kept their sexuality and openness hidden from society at large. And for that matter, so did the partners. This secret that they shared, this mutual understanding between the two of them, allowed them to experience something with each other that's a rare occurrence for most people in society.
Me: What about you though, has anyone suggested anything interesting to read recently?
 

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Still AA.

Yesterday did 1 "open". But due to lack of momentum, and overall fear-not really much results.

I was standing in line to enter a Halloween store, and I notice a girl next to me (I suppose she either entered my awareness radius, or she had just gotten in line too).

I hesitate, and glance over, then glance back down. The line moves a bit, and then I glance back and open.

Me: You also procrastinated on a costume?

Now I don't actually think that was a bad opener, but I had terrible follow up, like grasping for straws.

How it should have gone:

I should stand in line, standing out to the sidewalk, while on my phone. I use my peripherals and notice the girl enter my awareness radius. I don't glance, nor do I hesitate. But I wait a moment to let my presence grow a little, while still staring at my phone, and then I open.

Me: You also procrastinated on a costume?
Her: Kind of, I didn't expect the store to be this crowded four days before Halloween
Me: Haha, I get that. It's an exciting time for everyone I think... Have you ever noticed what makes Halloween a singularly unique holiday?
Her: What?
Me: I always notice that people seem different than their usual selves on Halloween... more expressive, more... free
Her: <Response>
...
Me: I think it's the masks and the costumes... When you were a kid, did you ever dress up as someone and put on a completely different personality... pretending to be someone else-maybe someone you admired, or someone you really wanted to be?
Her: Of course!
Me: I think Halloween is the adult version of that. All of those people with mundane, routine-based lives get one weekend a year to put all that away, and dress up-playing the role of someone else-maybe just for fun, but also maybe to try out being something new or different or refreshing. It's a liberating feeling, don't you think?
 

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Main thing I learned from Halloweekend is that I need to improve my social momentum a lot. Additionally that my current sticking point (in nightgame anyway) is immersion. Even when I open, I get the girl's attention for a few moments, but am unable to capitalize on that. It's quite bad as I notice a large number of looks in my direction, and if I seized on them faster, and better immersed the girls I opened, I'm fairly certain my sex life would be much transformed.


 

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Going to be out of the game most likely until the end of the year. Trips to people at higher risks from COVID mean I want to quarantine for their safety.

Will mainly focus on Riker and TRE in the interim.

Have some big plans coming up for 2022.
 

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After a fairly longer pause than I had intended, I'm happy to say I've returned.

A quick little snippet of what I've been up to:

If you want to know the truth of who you are, walk until not a person knows your name. Travel is the great leveler, the great teacher, bitter as medicine, crueler than mirror-glass. A long stretch of road will teach you more about yourself than a hundred years of quiet introspection.

—Patrick Rothfuss, The Wise Man’s Fear

I've gone and ventured out from the security, safety, and comfort of close friends and easy acquaintances in NYC. I'm in Miami now, here for a few months to work, and game. I'm by myself, with no obligations, and I am beyond excited. The city is fresh and new. The people attractive, warm, and so, so, novel. Being by myself has its fears to overcome, tribulations to deal with, but I will know more of the truth of who I am by the end of it.
 

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1/22/22

Joined an approach by a friend and hopped onto the cuter blond girl. Verbals were good, and she was actively touching me. Wing was not particularly helpful. Main issues were that he did not focus on his girl, and was instead trying to engage the group after we had already gotten buy in. Additionally, there was a mistake on my part by not moving the girls. I should have, since I got an window to do so when my girl commented on how we were getting pushed around by the crowd. In retrospect, this was a clear escalation window, verbalized.
 

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Went out last night to Wynwood. It was an exercise in social momentum, and just talking and bringing my own macro state up. On that metric, I succeeded, and was able to go out and talk to a wide variety of people. Conversation quality however, was not so good. Main issue felt like uncalibration to the venue. Miami is a party city, and so not all of my daygame tech will work the same. I have to move a little faster, be more aggressive, and push through interactions more. Hooking, isolating, etc. I didn’t try to isolate any girl yesterday. Isolation tactics are something I should brush up on.

To-do: Read up on isolation
 

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#1 Girl walking
Did a good approach, where I walked past her, and peripherally noticed her glance at me at which point I opened without hesitation. Did not get her to stop though. Conversation felt stilted but more out of rust than ineptitude. I did try to isolate and go for insta-date though.

#2 German Girl
Saw her standing at a bus stop. I pulled up near her and asked when the bus was coming. I should have been more deliberate in the positioning. I dallied on the side before actually standing at a position next to her. From there, I asked about her accent (German), and then dived a little deep into her traveling escapades recently. She is leaving tomorrow. I think the issue here was me talking too much, and not letting her talk. I need to spend less time talking and focus on eliciting the feelings that will lead to stimulation so that she can persuade herself to skip her plans to get a coffee with me instead. I think this is a girl who I could have pulled away from her plans, but I just wasn’t able to excite and immerse her enough.

Another thing I could have worked on was qualifying. Had I made the interaction more qualifying/leading, I think it would have helped the cause as well.

To-do: Read up on elicitation, immersion
 

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1/30/22

Practice goals: labels (it seems/sounds/looks like…) and mirrors (repeat last 3 words)

#1 Walking
First approach of the day. Argentinian girl. Timing was good, opened very quickly after crossing past her. Simple conversation, with a strong RPO related to multiple senses (wind and warmth, with energy from outside). However I struggled to really elicit stuff using labels and mirrors, though I did use them in the set. I went into a few gambits, and was not too bad with them. Overall, a good warmup set. Girl stopped and then started moving. Attempted to go for the insta-date but it didn't work out. Think comfort, intrigue, and compliance were too low for it. Also didn’t use an open loop well.

#2 Older Tourist
Same approach as above, but better delivery on RPO. Utilized contrast between peaceful wind and warmth against the aggressive music blasting from the bars and clubs. Walked and talked, and then set an open loop before going for an insta-date which was successful. Main thing missing here was sexualization subtly. Voice was sexual at moments, but into the conversation they got lost as I lost attraction for the girl. Too old and the face didn’t really do it for me. But it was great practice on conversation and making it fun, and energizing.

#3 Maria
Saw her standing and waiting as I was walking. I asked an innocuous question before building a more intriguing picture of myself. She took the bait, and gave me her full attention. We built a strong bubble, and I was doing a good job getting her to share more and more of her personality, while revealing little about myself. My descriptions of myself were more mysterious, which was good. She asked for my name, and at some point realized she had to go, and suggested giving me her number. The main screw up was here (albeit small) in that I think I came off too needy while grabbing the number. I should have been more aloof, and made it more casual. Talk less here, and just be normal, if the girl is in a rush.

Addendum to the above: This ended up going nowhere, which is quite sad because the girl was quite into me initially over text. My own bad decisions here, coupled with incorrectly setting up curiosity baits via text cost me a text with a Peruvian model. Very annoying.

TODO: continue practicing with labels/mirrors
 

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1/31/22

Nothing too useful to report. Miami Monday evening daygame options were slim-to-none. I did two approaches, but my voice was extremely off. Need to continue doing voice practice.

Think I’ll set a schedule of going out as follows:

M: Start work early, do daygame from 3/4ish until 6ish, theory in evening
T: Start work early, do daygame from 3/4ish until 6ish, TRE/meditate in evening
W: Monday repeat, but reflect towards future week instead of past week
Th: Evening day game, nap, brief nightgame in SoBe
F: No afternoon daygame, nap after work, nightgame in downtown Miami
S: Afternoon daygame, nap in evening, night game in downtown Miami
Su: workout, Afternoon-evening daygame, sleep early
 

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#1 Rollerblader
Saw this girl rollerblading around. She had eventually stopped along the beach, and was sitting down. I sat down next to her. I hesitated, and took too long to actually open.

“Hey, can I ask you an important question?”

“Sure?”

“Do you ever get the feeling that living here… can completely spoil a person?”

And then she goes into her own thread about how Miami is a place where people can be themselves and non-judgemental. All good frames. She is in a rush though, so I do suggest grabbing a drink on the beach sometime, and we exchange numbers.

Addendum-number didn't go anywhere.

#2 Marcy Runkle
I saw this girl wearing a red bikini with a fishnet covering on top of her. She was leaning over a sign with some information about the historic spot. I open pretty trivially about whether it’s interesting or not. She tells me to read it then asks what I think. I tell her it’s cool, and ask her if she works here just to let people know about the sign. She says yes, and that she also is part-time waiting for her friend. I tease a bit about this answer. Then some quick intro questions as we exchange some back and forth. I cut a thread where she is about to tell me about places she’s been to, since I think that’s a good spot to set up a date invite. I tell her we should grab some drinks at the beach later in the day, and the girl seems enthusiastic. She gives me her name and phone number, and urges me to call her on the spot.

I think the issue which caused my date to fail was that when I called her later in the day, I was not warm enough or teasing enough. I should have been more playful when confirming that we were on for that date.

TO-PRACTICE: TEXTING SOCIAL FRAME, and WARMTH ON PHONE CALLS
 

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2/2/22

To-Focus: Labels/Mirrors + What frames are being set (Post approaching activity)

#1 Rando on Beach
Mostly a warm up approach

#2 HBWillow
 
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Need to read up on group set approaching. Also the bars in SoBe are not the best. Good daygame, bad nightgame.
 

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#1 Colombian
Difficult set because she didn’t speak much english. Attraction was there though. She was only in town for two days though, with her old mother and a best friend. She was also here to run a marathon. Very difficult logistics.

#2 AttentionSeeking PartyGirl?
Initially I approached a different girl who was sitting down and seemed more open. Just asked her to watch my stuff. Came back and we talked a bit. She was receptive and asking me questions. She does have a boyfriend who's professional boxer though. Another girl chimes into the conversation and joins, and it ends up being a conversation between the two girls, with me chiming in here and there. Eventually the first girl leaves, and I ask the other girl to watch myself (I think I may have accidentally come across as rude in the ask). At this point a different guy jumps into the conversation, which means maybe I should have not moved. Also, the space between the two of us was not good-I couldn’t think of a savvy way to get her to move since she was laying down, and I was also sitting, so moving my towel a bit while I walked to touch the water seemed good.
I came back and she and the guy are in pretty solid, but superficial and not very interesting conversation. They eventually stop talking, and I start talking with the girl about SOTs. I qualify her as being cool, then asking if she’s also spontaneous. She does say she is. Perhaps I should make my qualifiers more intent-ful. She talks about how she’s in town for two months, from NYC, and goes to my gym here in Miami. She works in some marketing field in the WTC, and is turning 24 in a few days. She doesn’t work too much, and seems like a party girl-she frequently seems to be close to celebrities, and has lots of messages constantly asking her to come out. I act mostly disinterested in this, but it also sucked because there were not really logistics to do anything now, and an insta-date would have been best for this girl. Her parents are visiting town though, and she is spending time with them.
She does mention I seem like I’ve traveled through European cities. I think I could have behaved more aloof. The conversation just didn’t have a spark to it is the main issue. It also lacked fun, and energy. I need to work on voice tonation and eliciting here to do better.
 

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My nightgame approaching had made me extremely frustrated. I'm in one of the best cities on the planet, and here I am STANDING AROUND BY MYSELF AT BARS. Like a loser, like an unconfident ditherer. I have a limited amount of time-I am not going to waste it standing around wasting money to hold drinks that I'm not going to finish.

During previous week explorations, I discovered some hallowed meeting grounds. Beautiful, approachable girls. A wonderful venue. Large, with limitless potential. I decide that this Friday, before I go there, I need to spike my micro momentum, fast. Utilizing mass approaching and body rocking, I approach all around at a nearby bar to my apartment. It should be noted I still do this smoothly, just without regard for the endgame. The entire point was to both normalize opening, and to get out of my head.

Another useful note is that in addition to TRE, other anxiety reducing bodily therapy, I've begun transcendental meditation. 20 minutes, twice a day is the goal. For 20 minutes, repeat your mantram to yourself on repeat, to drown out all your other thought patterns. Russel Brand has a great intro video (I've also fallen in love with Brand as much for his verbals as I love Rothfuss for his writing skills).

Anyway, I go to a second venue, but not much action there. There is one set with a super cute girl in a smoking attractive dress that I fuck up. I don't open well, and while she seems attracted, I basically ignore her, and also never open.

Anyway, enter the main venue of the night, and the main venue of many nights to come:

#1 3-set
As I walked into the venue, I saw two very attractive girls standing near the entrance, I walked, and then opened over shoulder. I made a simple comment about how it was my favorite venue in Miami. Turns out they were new to the city too, a group of friends from Oregon who had gone to different schools and then ventured out to the city.

There are two girls at the moment, a blonde one (who strikes me as the alpha girl), and another one, who has a slightly more slouched posture (she's also quite tall, perhaps she is slouching to make her seem more approachable to shorter guys?). Both of their attentions are on me, and I’m teasing and being playful.

They ask me about how long I’ve been in the city. And the issue here is I start breaking rapport. They ask if I’ve ever gone to E11even, and I say I have but don’t like it that much (if I’d said I’d never been, then they might have just invited me). They also ask me some other info like that but my rust makes it to the point where I break rapport too much.

Their third friend enters, and she’s the most attractive girl of them. She’s very much my type. We talk, and I guess I accidentally give her a compliment on her energy. She does touch me at times.

Eventually, they leave, and I have to look for new sets.

#2 Indiana girl
I see a girl separate from her friends and go near the river. I go up and ask her if she can take a picture of me. She goes to do so, and then it starts raining, hard, and fast. I should have grabbed her hand and pulled her into the tent to be more dominant, but I didn’t since I felt it was not right. I should have though.

I successfully cold read her being from the midwest, and am a small border off the state she is actually from.

She was very warm to me, touching me, etc. We talked a good amount on spirituality, and I tried to bridge that to the good sex gambit. I told her she reminded me of my friend, and that she and I had a really interesting conversation. She bites, and I deliver the gambit. The girl verbally resists, saying that ONS sex will obviously be bad because of a lack of connection. I point out that we all have had experiences where we meet someone, and it immediately feels like we’ve known them forever, pacing that I agree with the importance of connection though.

Talking to some tribal elders gave some other responses to reframe this verbal rejection:

1. Can add that sex with emotions and connection is good due to familiarity and comfort, but that casual sex with a new partner gives this rush-sense of mystery, spontaneity, and curiosity
2. Both are different and good and both have their place, and one should explore both, else miss out on many pleasures

For a first time sex talk, I’m happy, but I need to do it more in order to have success with it.

#3 Montreal/Argentina girls
These two open me, asking me to take a picture. Then they agree to take a picture of me. I give them some commands to be more excited in the picture, just to play around with it. They both comply well.

I start talking to the Montreal girl, since she had opened me. We talk and don’t get much talking done when a guy the Argentinian girl is talking to starts talking to the Montreal girl. Turns out she told him my girl speaks french. They start going at it, so I start talking to the Argentinian girl. Neither are that attractive, but the spanish appeal of the argentinian girl makes me decide to switch targets. We talk, me in bad spanish, her in good spanish and sometimes bad english. She has a boyfriend though, and is here with friends.

She eventually heads back and pulls Montreal girl with her.
 

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Daygame did a bunch of beach approaches, but only reached the hook on one not really cute 25-year old. Tried to insta-date but no success. Have to work on reality pacing the state the girl is in, not the cookie cutter state I want her to be in.

Nightgame:

Dressed in a sexy white blazer with astronomical signs on it. Everything else was black.

#1 Sister-Sister Pair
These two girls from North Carolina/Boca Raton. Opened via body rocking, and they hooked. Kind of funny, but as I was opening, some group of guys came up and started complimenting my blazer. I made some polite chit chat, and the two girls were still there when I turned around.

I started talking, the blonde, green eyed sister being the one I was more interested in. The brunette sister was nice, and she said that they were actually thinking of leaving soon. What's interesting is the brunette sister would frequently exit the conversation, be on her phone, and let me and the other sister talk. I wasn't sure how to deal, because I didn't want a wild card, so I would frequently pull the brunette back into conversation, but maybe I should have just focused exclusively on the 21 year old sister. I'm not sure how the dynamic of a 26/28 year old sister with a 21 year old sister would play out though. It seems unlikely for that to work in my favor. The 21 year old sister also doesn't live in Miami, she just came for the weekend.

I do have some sexualized conversation, and am finding myself improving at this.

#2 French girls
Immediately after the above two leave to use the bathroom, with implications that they are leaving, I get up, and move a few paces down, before opening a cute girl in a frilly teal/dark green dress. She's french, and we talk for a good bit, before I isolate her at a nearby table. She's here with a bunch of her french friends. We talk for a bit, but not really much good vibing, just conversation.

Interestingly, her french friends come to meet us, and one of them has this super skater/punk vibe, with a skateboard hat on. She is very touchy to me, and compliments my style. She's got a pretty face, but her body is extremely rail thin.

An interesting set, as the girl I was talking starts to say she's going to go home, and then all the girls start talking in French. I finish up my drink before bouncing.

#3 Body Rock HBRedFlags
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#4 Opened by girl asking me to take photo
This semi-cute girl asks me to take a photo of her group. I do so, and make it somewhat playful. She takes a picture of me after. We talk, but the group is heading out, and the members in it seem kind of drunk.

#5 Wine Girl
I head to the bar, as I need some water. I see a girl standing by herself. Not the most attractive, but she has some of the piercing types I like. We have the following conversation:

Me: You know what I like about this venue?
Her: What?
Me: <Names qualities>
Her: <Pause, then semi-sarcastically> I don't think this is going to go the way you think
Me: What do you mean, you never had a <sarcastic> friendly conversation before?

And then I continue to go through SOTs, qualifying (though this needs improvement to make it smoother), etc. She warms up fast, and I notice her start to touch my hair, her body start to face me more. We talk, and I try to isolate. She says sure, and that she needs to drop off the wine to her friend. I say sure, and wait for the amount of time it takes to solve a wordle puzzle, and a NYT daily crossword mini (you can make your wagers as to how long that will take given how smart you think I am) before I go to use the bathroom and chalk this one up as a flake.

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