Interesting thread.
@Seduceceleb, I assume you are Indian?
I checked on the backend real quick, under the assumption that you likely were, and it seems I was correct and you hail from the subcontinent.
I have observed over the years (as I'm sure many others have here as well) that Indians for some ethnic reason probably unknowable to non-Indians place massive emphasis on courting the favor of and/or seducing figures of cultural prominence.
That being the case, the answer to this question:
My question is why people don't do it?
Why Mystery or Neil strauss or Owen cook or Chase - break into the social circle and get those super famous, most desired women.
(As a testament to their skills and for ultimate preselection)
... may simply be just "Because we're not Indian"!
But I'll give a bit more of a rundown:
- Seduction success is as much about a woman's availability as it is anything else
- There is no seducer on the planet capable of seducing "any woman, any time, anywhere, no matter her romantic/sexual availability"
- Most women most of the time are in relationships; therefore, if you are targeting SPECIFIC women, you need to slow game it and/or WAIT
- Celebrity women tend to lead fairly cloistered lives, and the most famous ("A-listers") have bodyguards when they go out in public, making cold approach impractical. Add in the fact that they are probably not available, and your odds of setting up a date in the time before their bodyguards can tackle or mace you when you approach on the street are not high
- So, if you want these women, you are pretty much forced to go through social circle.
- As they operate in rarefied social circles, you must be capable of entering into their circles, rather than, say, throwing a party at your bachelor pad and reaching out to them to come join you via their people (they won't come).
- This kind of social circle infiltration takes a LOT of time, skill, and dedication.
- IF you are going to do it, you are not then going to stupidly blow up your spot by kissing and telling, like going online and revealing that "Ha HA! I am a pickup artist but I infiltrated the A-list celebrity circles and banged Taylor Swift! Now everyone knows it and I have shown my skill as the ULTIMATE PICKUP ARTIST!" You will be immediately shut out of all those circles, never allowed within 1000 feet of a celebrity again, no one will ever trust you with anything, you'll look like a complete sleazebag, and whatever Internet points you may get from boasting about your exploit, people will have largely forgotten it in a year.
I know some guys who date/bang celebrities. Not A-listers, but C- and D-list celebrities. I pulled some chicks back to a Beverly Hills luxury townhouse on a cliff overlooking the hills once that was owned by a friend of a friend who banged celebrities. The homeowner was a PUA who'd studied under some highly skilled PUAs, but he was not a coach and he would NEVER post online about what celebrity chicks he banged. He'd have been instantly shut out of those circles and everything he'd built for years would be lost. I have high-priced coaching clients too who date minor celebrity chicks... again, they are extremely privacy-focused, and only tell me which chicks they're getting because they know I am not going to say it to anyone (and I never will).
Further: I lived in SoCal and took acting for the camera classes. I went to numerous auditions. I had a minor role in an independent film. I have been around a lot of young and aspiring actresses. Some of them went on to fairly minor fame and have appeared in a variety of different shows. What I have noticed is that actresses in general are a little above average in looks, and about average in intelligence. Seems to be as true for A-listers as for any others.
How well-known (A-list) or not a chick is is completely determined by the marketing. Various producers, record companies, movie studios, etc., make investments in raising the star of various actors or actresses, make their names big, and create that star power for them. They are not doing it on their own. They are just the product.
I thought it would be cool to be an actor, but I soon realized it was far less creative work than writing, and that as an actor all I was doing was interpreting someone else's GENUINELY creative work (the writer). I grew unhappy with it fairly quickly. I'm grateful for the experience, but I'd never want acting to be the big thing I was known for.
An elite woman to me is naturally beautiful, with a banging body, a high intelligence, post-graduate level education, and high natural charisma.
So far as I am aware, there are none of these women in Hollywood, and certainly not among A-listers.
The only chick I can think of that I would consider pretty hot in 2025 Hollywood (and there may be others I just don't know... honestly I find myself watching less and less modern stuff. It's got to be at least partly because of how ugly the actresses are getting though. Really, Hollywood is just using uglier and uglier actresses for things) is Ana de Armas. But she, like Taylor Swift, is OLD (mid-30s). She is not even super gorgeous, just pretty cute. You can meet lots of girls who look like her, or better, and are younger, without having to crawl through bodyguards or spend years infiltrating celebrity social circles to do it. I would much rather meet a cuter Ana de Armas lookalike then wade through years of Hollywood social circle building just so I can be known as "Chase Amante, the PUA who bagged Ana de Armas."
(I would also say, in addition to all that, that if my claim to fame is "Chase Amante, the PUA who bagged Ana de Armas" instead of the stuff I am known for, I would feel pretty cheated)
Also, Please can anyone refer to any field reports from this site or otherwise about creating and Maneuvering through social circle. I hope not everyone is KJ here in this someone must have done it and shared it.
Second hand anecdotes can also work.
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I did it for a short while, and was right at the center of these circles, as "the guy you have to know to because he runs the parties." Various wealthy / high status dudes would be pestering me to meet them for lunch or get drinks with them, and any girl I wanted to meet from the circle would basically come to meet me, because it was worth being on better terms with me and she didn't want to risk losing access to the parties. Not all those girls would be available, but some of them would be, and the ones who were were very easy to lay.
Ultimately I realized I could get higher caliber girls through cold approach than I could this way, which made the whole experiment kind of moot.
You may also want to check out Peter Fontes's series on meeting women via social circle:
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Most desirable here is from OBJECTIVE pov - How many men are drooling over her and how many women wanna be in her position ? - for me personally most celebs are not desirable - But I am talking about - CAN WE GET THEM? - Do we do or not that's different. But can we?
(Testament of our attraction and social skills)
I don't need the testament.
A lot of guys drooling over a woman does not make me want her more.
Most studies show that men in general do not care if other men want a woman (meanwhile, women are very attracted to men that other women want).
But there is clearly a subset of men who do: guys who go wild for actresses, models, etc.
I know if I was around XYZ celebrity and she was available and I was interested in her enough I'd have a pretty good chance of nailing her.
I don't need to do it at this point to prove it to myself, and as far as I'm concerned I don't need to prove myself any further to the world.
I've got thousands of testimonials about the effectiveness of my material. If guys want to know if this stuff works, or if I know what I'm talking about, they can go read some testimonials then go test the material out themselves.
It's not my job to find ever more ways to prove myself to people.
I do what I do because it is fun and I like teaching it to guys, but if a guy is very resistant to it and needs to see me publicly bag a celebrity to 'believe', that is a guy I am not going to lose any sleep about trying to win over.
The reason I am saying A listers because IMO they are the hardest to get and not because they are the hottest.
So it's like - If I can get them I can get any woman the planet. Kind of cool isn't it?
They are not the hardest to get on the planet though.
21% of American women go to their graves only ever having slept with a single man in their entire lives.
THOSE are the hardest women to get. If you want the über challenge: can you convince some guy's hyper-religious virgin fiancée to bang you?
IMO that's a lot harder than banging the average A-list actress who's been on a dozen casting couches in Hollywood and hooked up with a bunch of her co-stars, directors, cinematographers, the lights guy, and a couple of her managers.
Just get a job on a set in Hollywood and work your way up.
(not saying anyone should be driving around the Midwest trying to fuck loyal-until-they-met-you GFs, fiancées, & wives; don't do that. Just saying...)
Also the massive social proof.
I bet people don't know Pete Davidson cause of his comedy mainly.
I don't know who he is, either for his comedy or whatever else (some celebrity he bagged) he's known for.
There are a lot of ways to get social proof.
Personally, if I wanted Hollywood social proof, and was going to devote my energy to Hollywood, I would just get back into acting and hustle my ass off in acting class, on auditions, and in my networking until I was appearing in shows and movies all over the place.
Then you can be known for being a damn fine actor who's a big box office draw, and oh by the way you bang A-list celebrities by default just naturally because you're in those social circles.
If you're going to do all the work anyway, might as well "build social proof" by actually being the celebrity, rather than being known as the guy who fucked a girl who is a celebrity.
Speculation on my part but from what I’ve seen a lot of celebrities have access to celeb dating apps. Yea there is still a very large portion of in-person game that still happens but from my rich friends they tend to just hire people to take care of that aspect of dating for them.
This is true.
@Colt Williams, who created our Tinder guide when Tinder was still fairly new and he was crushing it on there, switched over to Raya years back and has used that to great effect. I don't know if he's met celebrity chicks on there (but he has met a bunch of girls on there), but there are a bunch of them on the app; he was going to create a guide for us on that a while back when I told him I wanted to build a new dating app course, and there are definitely celebrities on there.
When I ran those big parties years back, I put all that together through another invite-only app that had a bunch of celebrities, alongside more regular business magnates, models, etc. on it. Whenever I traveled back when I still used that app I used it to meet up with various people in whatever city I was visiting and met some fairly well-known celebrities that way. I guess the fortunate part for me was that I'm so unplugged from celebrity culture that I'd have people introducing these people to me, telling me how XYZ magazine I'd never heard of was doing all this speculation about who ABC person they were introducing me to was dating, and I just did not know any of these people or magazines so we'd just chat normally like two regular human beings.
(that app was cool while it lasted... I had some fun shags from it... and I have never found an app since then where girls were more trusting and more eager to meet up with you because everyone on there was just so high caliber... but even still: cold approach is and was still better)
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