The Game is just a tool. We need A LOT of other things to succeed with super high quality women

[Seduceceleb]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women. You won't find a single one of them with a so-called "seducer". All of them are gonna be with some famous celeb Or rich guy. So my query/complain and request to you guys is. Looks, Money, Status, fame etc still beat the game by miles. The kind of women for which we got in the game are still out of reach. Look at Mystery, Ross jeffries, Neil strauss Or pick anyone of your choice. Have they ever had a supermodel or some famous actress as their gf?? No.. Like 30 years slogging their ass in seduction still NOT EVEN A SINGLE ONE. kylie Jenner is still with some weed smoking rapper. Girls are still chasing singers and celebrities and good looking guys. I am just ranting but I hope you get my point.. Your views?

(And please don't say.. Ohh they are celebrities and famous people.. Fuck them and fuck you.. Anyone who doesn't want the best.. Who is not super ambitious.. Don't bother replying.. Live in your little world of mediocrity)

 

[James D]

Oh jeez here we go again.

 

[Seduceceleb]

Oh jeez here we go again.

What? Any objective criticism? Or just subjective statements like this?

By all means learn game but not at all enough. A mediocre youtuber gets more women than a good day gamer.

Cold approach game teaches us A LOT. Buts it's like learning to pick pocket to make money (not the unethical part, but from size and scale pov). Instead learning to establish a business is way more successful and scalable and powerful.
And for all the remaining contributors. I expect better insights than some dumb statement like this gentleman made above.
Let's think about taking it to next level.

 

[James D]

There must be some AI that autoblocks posts like that. Looking into it right now lol

 

[empath]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women. You won't find a single one of them with a so-called "seducer". All of them are gonna be with some famous celeb Or rich guy. So my query/complain and request to you guys is. Looks, Money, Status, fame etc still beat the game by miles. The kind of women for which we got in the game are still out of reach. Look at Mystery, Ross jeffries, Neil strauss Or pick anyone of your choice. Have they ever had a supermodel or some famous actress as their gf?? No.. Like 30 years slogging their ass in seduction still NOT EVEN A SINGLE ONE. kylie Jenner is still with some weed smoking rapper. Girls are still chasing singers and celebrities and good looking guys. I am just ranting but I hope you get my point.. Your views?

(And please don't say.. Ohh they are celebrities and famous people.. Fuck them and fuck you.. Anyone who doesn't want the best.. Who is not super ambitious.. Don't bother replying.. Live in your little world of mediocrity)

Well I have read Chase has laid, models, pornstars etc.

For weed smoking rapper its social circle game, go for it and build a social circle like that.

Until I had fast pulls I myself did not belived whether its possible to fuck a girl in 10 mins or so.

But it is.

For a sucessful life and great relationship yes you need other skills beyond pick up.

Purely from laying POV you can whatever kind of women ( just go to those venues where the type of women you want comes and lay them)

Yeah only one caveat skills here work on a kind/type of women not a specific girl. With enough time and resources maybe you can get a sepcific women as well.

Now kj ...
depends how much you want her ...you can plot to get rid of her bf or hubby or coerce her the wait until she falls for you.

 

[Seduceceleb]

There must be some AI that autoblocks posts like that. Looking into it right now lol

I am talking about finding ways and systems to get high quality women like supermodels and A list actresses. Why you wanna block it?

Sir, please tell me - Did you have those women ? If not then let's figure it out ?
Tell me your special complain if you have any with my post. Please. Let's think in that direction?
Breaking into their Social circles?
How to achieve social media fame?
Or something like this. Any suggestions or insights?
Anyone ????

 

[Seduceceleb]

Well I have read Chase has laid, models, pornstars etc.

For weed smoking rapper its social circle game, go for it and build a social circle like that.

Until I had fast pulls I myself did not belived whether its possible to fuck a girl in 10 mins or so.

But it is.

For a sucessful life and great relationship yes you need other skills beyond pick up.

Purely from laying POV you can whatever kind of women ( just go to those venues where the type of women you want comes and lay them)

Yeah only one caveat skills here work on a kind/type of women not a specific girl. With enough time and resources maybe you can get a sepcific women as well.

Now kj ...
depends how much you want her ...you can plot to get rid of her bf or hubby or coerce her the wait until she falls for yohT

Well I have read Chase has laid, models, pornstars etc.

For weed smoking rapper its social circle game, go for it and build a social circle like that.

Until I had fast pulls I myself did not belived whether its possible to fuck a girl in 10 mins or so.

But it is.

For a sucessful life and great relationship yes you need other skills beyond pick up.

Purely from laying POV you can whatever kind of women ( just go to those venues where the type of women you want comes and lay them)

Yeah only one caveat skills here work on a kind/type of women not a specific girl. With enough time and resources maybe you can get a sepcific women as well.

Now kj ...
depends how much you want her ...you can plot to get rid of her bf or hubby or coerce her the wait until she falls for you.

Thanks brother. I appreciate your answer.

But if building social circle is so easy. Why don't people do it? Like we don't have a single photo Or video or relationship where a guy from seduction community getting a famous woman. NONE. The best was Neil strauss number closing Brittney spears. That's it.

And kylie Jenner is just an example. I don't want her. But still it's a testament to ones seduction skills. Getting the woman everyone trying to get.
Also it's ultimate social proof or preselection.
Go seduce Taylor Swift or kim Kardashian and the random girls people are chasing here will start chasing you.

My question is why people don't do it?
Why Mystery or Neil strauss or Owen cook or Chase - break into the social circle and get those super famous, most desired women.
(As a testament to their skills and for ultimate preselection)

In my opinion game is not enough. Systems and Techniques people created in game can be extremely helpful but they will only take you so far.

For 10 min lay. You must have noticed that after couple of times it's just becomes boring and you know it's not that special. Although to a newbie it can be.

So take it to the LAST LEVEL.
What do you say?

 

[empath]

Thanks brother. I appreciate your answer.

But if building social circle is so easy. Why don't people do it? Like we don't have a single photo Or video or relationship where a guy from seduction community getting a famous woman. NONE. The best was Neil strauss number closing Brittney spears. That's it.

And kylie Jenner is just an example. I don't want her. But still it's a testament to ones seduction skills. Getting the woman everyone trying to get.
Also it's ultimate social proof or preselection.
Go seduce Taylor Swift or kim Kardashian and the random girls people are chasing here will start chasing you.

My question is why people don't do it?
Why Mystery or Neil strauss or Owen cook or Chase - break into the social circle and get those super famous, most desired women.
(As a testament to their skills and for ultimate preselection)

In my opinion game is not enough. Systems and Techniques people created in game can be extremely helpful but they will only take you so far.

For 10 min lay. You must have noticed that after couple of times it's just becomes boring and you know it's not that special. Although to a newbie it can be.

So take it to the LAST LEVEL.
What do you say?

Creating such social circle is a different skill from Pick Up.

If you want such girl through cold approach, be refereshing to her, don't let her looks money and status awe you.

Only problem is finding her alone to cold approach. (Focus on this gaming is not a challange if you lay other high quality girls)

If someone looks at it they will find examples of sigma male (as in non insider to that industry being with her in relationship)

Lay is possible for relationship, I guess you need to have more going.

I am speaking purely from POV of pick up not relationship.

Though its KJ from my side probably someone from here will give an example.

 

[Seduceceleb]

Creating such social circle is a different skill from Pick Up.

If you want such girl through cold approach, be refereshing to her, don't let her looks money and status awe you.

Only problem is finding her alone to cold approach. (Focus on this gaming is not a challange if you lay other high quality girls)

If someone looks at it they will find examples of sigma male (as in non insider to that industry being with her in relationship)

Lay is possible for relationship, I guess you need to have more going.

I am speaking purely from POV of pick up not relationship.

Though its KJ from my side probably someone from here will give an example.

Can you or anyone share some insights on what are some of the techniques to build social circle etc. ?

Apparently that's the best way to get most attractive women instead of walking around on streets chatting up girls (for practice it might be ok. But after some time hell no)

So let's talk about Social circle or social media or whatever?
Any sources, books, mentors, courses, techniques ???

 

[empath]

Can you or anyone share some insights on what are some of the techniques to build social circle etc. ?

Apparently that's the best way to get most attractive women instead of walking around on streets chatting up girls (for practice it might be ok. But after some time hell no)

So let's talk about Social circle or social media or whatever?
Any sources, books, mentors, courses, techniques ???

Well 2 ways I can think of 1 good another morally questionable.

1st is make friends with the girl in the industry you want to join eg. Acting, make friends with an outgoing acting student, assistand director etc. how be in the city and area where they are concentrated eg. Hollywood. Her looks don't matter her nature should be socialable and out going.

Be cool enough that she wants to hangout with you and invite yoh to parties etc.

Morally questiobable.

Lay this girl and make her fall in love again looks don't matter.

Since she is in love she will make you part of her social circle.

Now you need to date up, turn her friends against her etc. politics and all.

All is KJ again.

 

[Will_V]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women. You won't find a single one of them with a so-called "seducer". All of them are gonna be with some famous celeb Or rich guy. So my query/complain and request to you guys is. Looks, Money, Status, fame etc still beat the game by miles. The kind of women for which we got in the game are still out of reach. Look at Mystery, Ross jeffries, Neil strauss Or pick anyone of your choice. Have they ever had a supermodel or some famous actress as their gf?? No.. Like 30 years slogging their ass in seduction still NOT EVEN A SINGLE ONE. kylie Jenner is still with some weed smoking rapper. Girls are still chasing singers and celebrities and good looking guys. I am just ranting but I hope you get my point.. Your views?

(And please don't say.. Ohh they are celebrities and famous people.. Fuck them and fuck you.. Anyone who doesn't want the best.. Who is not super ambitious.. Don't bother replying.. Live in your little world of mediocrity)

How many super hot women do you know irl who are dating famous celebs/rich guys? Because the only ones you are looking at are the ones famous enough to be seen by you on the internet. So your data pool is already completely biased. And judging by your attitude and some of your keywords, you're indulging in the internet content mill as well.

Go out and walk around your city and notice the hot women (not the ones that are all painted/botoxed, but the naturally beautiful ones), and who they're with. Or even better, get to know some of them. Most are just fairly normal people who want to find someone to share their normal lives with. Do they have somewhat higher expectations than less hot women? Generally yes, or if not particularly higher expectations, they are at least less willing to bend them.

It's easy to forget when you're on the internet, but women who are self-aware (and many very beautiful ones are also very intelligent) know that at the end of the day what's going to matter is their day to day experience being with their man, and that his status or money - much less his looks - isn't going to matter as much, the same way someone could give you a ferrari but if you're not a car nut, the next week it'll be like sitting in any other car, but less comfortable, and you couldn't give a rats anymore about the stares you get driving around.

Also, imo, pickup is mainly about sleeping with girls, not so much about relationships. Some core principles like frame control carry over, but a lot of pickup is focused on stimulation/excitement and disqualifying yourself as relationship material, and also selects for girls who are already psychologically disposed in those directions. It can also, if you aren't careful, turn you into a sort of manwhore who might be about as good at relationships as a las vegas stripper, and about as level headed. So looking at the girlfriends or wives of ex puas is probably not going to be all that useful. Women aren't stupid, they typically know how to separate the dinner and the dessert, and it's a very rare man who is good for both.

The girls chase site, if you've read a lot of the articles, is not the same as the typical pua stuff. It's a much more well-rounded content base that aims to cover all levels of sexual dynamics. Whereas a lot of other sites promote either stuff geared toward maximizing quantity over quality, or else complete dorky cult nonsense. The best example of this is the site's emphasis on fundamentals, whereas a lot of other stuff will tell you 'go ahead and be a complete loser, but do these tactics and techniques and she's all yours'.

What I will agree with in your title is the concept that game is just a tool. Yes, it is just that. Relationships are mainly about long-term leadership, and that's not what game is. Game just gives you the ability to approach and open up a path toward a sexual encounter. What happens afterward is something you have to specifically learn how to manage.

At the end of the day you should always trust your own lived experiences and the things you see in real life, and be very skeptical about anything you see online. Otherwise you end up living in an alternate reality and falling off one side of the horse or the other just because someone told you so. And if you're not getting any relevant experiences well, it's a big world out there and you'll just have to find a way to go and get them, or else you'll be forever trapped in a cycle of internet nonsense.

 

[ulrich]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women.

Your view is fixated on people who are famous.
Think about it, you can’t possibly list all the hottest women in the world.

For every “most desirable woman” in your list, you can’t possibly know if she has a hotter sister or cousin.

You also have no way to know of hot women who don’t advertise themselves in Instagram (there are a bazillion of women with private profiles).

You won't find a single one of them with a so-called "seducer".

In the same vein, how do you know who is a “seducer”?

Sure, Mistery, Gunwitch, Chase are public figures but you have no way to know the “real identity” of many of the elder guys in this forum.

Chase has talked multiple times about how introducing himself as a “seducer” is a detractor for his game and that you need to be discreet.
Why do you think you can know who is a seducer and who isn’t?

I know with certainty of two guys here who are fitness influencers with big muscles.
You would never guess they run “game” unless you saw them in person.

All of them are gonna be with some famous celeb Or rich guy.

The celebs/rich marry the celebs/rich.

You are making the wrong question here.

Do you want to fuck celebs/rich women? You can do that with game. There’s plenty of evidence in these forums alone.

Do you want to martyrs celebs/rich women? Then you need to become part of those circles… game will be useful for that but it is far from the only requirement.

Anyone who doesn't want the best.. Who is not super ambitious.. Don't bother replying.. Live in your little world of mediocrity

Why do you equal celebs to “the best”?

That is a very naive way of thinking.

I have personally dated many actresses and I can tell you they are far from good girlfriends.
Lots of drama, public reputation issues, guys always drooling over them, they flirt with other men to secure gigs.
They are hot as hell, don’t get me wrong… but a full package?? They tipically aren’t.

I would suggest you meditate about why you care so much for public display of status.
A guy can totally be a discreet billionaire with a super hot wife who isn’t a model.

Why do you need people to know who you are so you consider yourself successful?

 

[theReason]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women.

If every woman on earth submitted their face, body, and personality to your judgement, your personal top 300 would not include a single celebrity whose name you currently know.

 

[JasonH]

How many super hot women do you know irl who are dating famous celebs/rich guys? Because the only ones you are looking at are the ones famous enough to be seen by you on the internet. So your data pool is already completely biased. And judging by your attitude and some of your keywords, you're indulging in the internet content mill as well.

Go out and walk around your city and notice the hot women (not the ones that are all painted/botoxed, but the naturally beautiful ones), and who they're with. Or even better, get to know some of them. Most are just fairly normal people who want to find someone to share their normal lives with. Do they have somewhat higher expectations than less hot women? Generally yes, or if not particularly higher expectations, they are at least less willing to bend them.

It's easy to forget when you're on the internet, but women who are self-aware (and many very beautiful ones are also very intelligent) know that at the end of the day what's going to matter is their day to day experience being with their man, and that his status or money - much less his looks - isn't going to matter as much, the same way someone could give you a ferrari but if you're not a car nut, the next week it'll be like sitting in any other car, but less comfortable, and you couldn't give a rats anymore about the stares you get driving around.

Also, imo, pickup is mainly about sleeping with girls, not so much about relationships. Some core principles like frame control carry over, but a lot of pickup is focused on stimulation/excitement and disqualifying yourself as relationship material, and also selects for girls who are already psychologically disposed in those directions. It can also, if you aren't careful, turn you into a sort of manwhore who might be about as good at relationships as a las vegas stripper, and about as level headed. So looking at the girlfriends or wives of ex puas is probably not going to be all that useful. Women aren't stupid, they typically know how to separate the dinner and the dessert, and it's a very rare man who is good for both.

The girls chase site, if you've read a lot of the articles, is not the same as the typical pua stuff. It's a much more well-rounded content base that aims to cover all levels of sexual dynamics. Whereas a lot of other sites promote either stuff geared toward maximizing quantity over quality, or else complete dorky cult nonsense. The best example of this is the site's emphasis on fundamentals, whereas a lot of other stuff will tell you 'go ahead and be a complete loser, but do these tactics and techniques and she's all yours'.

What I will agree with in your title is the concept that game is just a tool. Yes, it is just that. Relationships are mainly about long-term leadership, and that's not what game is. Game just gives you the ability to approach and open up a path toward a sexual encounter. What happens afterward is something you have to specifically learn how to manage.

At the end of the day you should always trust your own lived experiences and the things you see in real life, and be very skeptical about anything you see online. Otherwise you end up living in an alternate reality and falling off one side of the horse or the other just because someone told you so. And if you're not getting any relevant experiences well, it's a big world out there and you'll just have to find a way to go and get them, or else you'll be forever trapped in a cycle of internet nonsense.

Summed it up nicely here!

What I take from this site is that it teaches men how to behave to achieve what they want with the women they want - It teaches behavior and social skills with a heavy lean towards cold approach pick up. It also has the best resources on maintaining long term relationships IMO.

You're thinking of pick up as a set of tactics and techniques, but it's really the man you become, it is through the being that things are achieved with the tools used to execute them.

So if you want to pick up famous girls (not sure why you'd want to, when there are more beautiful girls at the local mall or night club you can pick up), then you probably need to become famous yourself or become Chase level good at picking up girls.

Or you can develop yourself to a pretty good level or create a social circle where you're pretty successful and have access to beautiful girls just the same...

 

[ChrisVirtue]

Make a list of all the hottest and most desirable women. You won't find a single one of them with a so-called "seducer". All of them are gonna be with some famous celeb Or rich guy. So my query/complain and request to you guys is. Looks, Money, Status, fame etc still beat the game by miles. The kind of women for which we got in the game are still out of reach. Look at Mystery, Ross jeffries, Neil strauss Or pick anyone of your choice. Have they ever had a supermodel or some famous actress as their gf?? No.. Like 30 years slogging their ass in seduction still NOT EVEN A SINGLE ONE. kylie Jenner is still with some weed smoking rapper. Girls are still chasing singers and celebrities and good looking guys. I am just ranting but I hope you get my point.. Your views?

(And please don't say.. Ohh they are celebrities and famous people.. Fuck them and fuck you.. Anyone who doesn't want the best.. Who is not super ambitious.. Don't bother replying.. Live in your little world of mediocrity)

Actually there was a guy met at RSD World Summit who was dating a VERY FAMOUS influencer (10M+ followers).

He came to the summit because he was struggling to manage dating this girl.


A lot of celebs date "industry people" and it's hard to know how much PUA background/study they have.

If you look at Ariana she married a young real estate agent.


Also, have you read the game ? Neil Strauss dated Courtney Love when she was at a peak fame point...

 

[Bill]

Neil Strauss publicly dated a moderately famous singer and was married to a model. Rsd Tyler publicly dated a playboy playmate for a while.

Adam Lyons mentioned he pulled a relative of Jackie Chan’s (niece or something I don’t remember) and he was in a news a long time ago for pulling some reality tv star.

I suppose these aren’t A-list though, and in the case of Neil and Tyler they were somewhat wealthy / famous.

If you want a high status woman your best bet would be having a well built social circle. As far as an A list celebrity you probably need to be famous yourself, I’m sure A list celebs date / marry people who aren’t celebrities but engineering that to happen would be really difficult and I doubt they’d want someone who specifically seeks them for their fame.

 

[Seduceceleb]

Well 2 ways I can think of 1 good another morally questionable.

1st is make friends with the girl in the industry you want to join eg. Acting, make friends with an outgoing acting student, assistand director etc. how be in the city and area where they are concentrated eg. Hollywood. Her looks don't matter her nature should be socialable and out going.

Be cool enough that she wants to hangout with you and invite yoh to parties etc.

Morally questiobable.

Lay this girl and make her fall in love again looks don't matter.

Since she is in love she will make you part of her social circle.

Now you need to date up, turn her friends against her etc. politics and all.

All is KJ again.

Thanks, Both are great ways. I thought so too and mine is also KJ.

One more can be finding ways to align my work with the social circles. For example Neil Strauss did by writing books for Rockstars and pornstars before learning game just to enter their social circle.

Also, Please can anyone refer to any field reports from this site or otherwise about creating and Maneuvering through social circle. I hope not everyone is KJ here in this someone must have done it and shared it.
Second hand anecdotes can also work.

 

[Seduceceleb]

How many super hot women do you know irl who are dating famous celebs/rich guys? Because the only ones you are looking at are the ones famous enough to be seen by you on the internet. So your data pool is already completely biased. And judging by your attitude and some of your keywords, you're indulging in the internet content mill as well.

Go out and walk around your city and notice the hot women (not the ones that are all painted/botoxed, but the naturally beautiful ones), and who they're with. Or even better, get to know some of them. Most are just fairly normal people who want to find someone to share their normal lives with. Do they have somewhat higher expectations than less hot women? Generally yes, or if not particularly higher expectations, they are at least less willing to bend them.

It's easy to forget when you're on the internet, but women who are self-aware (and many very beautiful ones are also very intelligent) know that at the end of the day what's going to matter is their day to day experience being with their man, and that his status or money - much less his looks - isn't going to matter as much, the same way someone could give you a ferrari but if you're not a car nut, the next week it'll be like sitting in any other car, but less comfortable, and you couldn't give a rats anymore about the stares you get driving around.

Also, imo, pickup is mainly about sleeping with girls, not so much about relationships. Some core principles like frame control carry over, but a lot of pickup is focused on stimulation/excitement and disqualifying yourself as relationship material, and also selects for girls who are already psychologically disposed in those directions. It can also, if you aren't careful, turn you into a sort of manwhore who might be about as good at relationships as a las vegas stripper, and about as level headed. So looking at the girlfriends or wives of ex puas is probably not going to be all that useful. Women aren't stupid, they typically know how to separate the dinner and the dessert, and it's a very rare man who is good for both.

The girls chase site, if you've read a lot of the articles, is not the same as the typical pua stuff. It's a much more well-rounded content base that aims to cover all levels of sexual dynamics. Whereas a lot of other sites promote either stuff geared toward maximizing quantity over quality, or else complete dorky cult nonsense. The best example of this is the site's emphasis on fundamentals, whereas a lot of other stuff will tell you 'go ahead and be a complete loser, but do these tactics and techniques and she's all yours'.

What I will agree with in your title is the concept that game is just a tool. Yes, it is just that. Relationships are mainly about long-term leadership, and that's not what game is. Game just gives you the ability to approach and open up a path toward a sexual encounter. What happens afterward is something you have to specifically learn how to manage.

At the end of the day you should always trust your own lived experiences and the things you see in real life, and be very skeptical about anything you see online. Otherwise you end up living in an alternate reality and falling off one side of the horse or the other just because someone told you so. And if you're not getting any relevant experiences well, it's a big world out there and you'll just have to find a way to go and get them, or else you'll be forever trapped in a cycle of internet nonsense.

Thanks Great insights

yeah sure celebrities are not super hot..agree. But I am talking about getting them for - super Preselection.
Pete Davidson made his career by dating Ariana Grande and kim Kardashian. Now It has snowballed for him. Now women seek him out.
(That's Super Preselection)

Not Botoxed and naturally good looking ?? - Agree I would take a big lawyer or doctor as my life partner over some famous actress as my girlfriend all day every day.
( Again personality and mutual connection and character are gonna play a major role here)

Again Normal life ? - I don't want that. I want extraordinary life. But I hope you meant a normal, peaceful married life - Agree.

"but a lot of pickup is focused on stimulation/excitement and disqualifying yourself as relationship material, and also selects for girls who are already psychologically disposed in those directions" ------------ I am 50-50 on this. In my experience almost every girl wants to be in a romance novel swept by an amazing guy. So unpredictability, pleasant surprises, a lil bit of stimulus from personality is always desirable.
But things like a lot of negging or treating her bad can also repel good mentally women - Agree.
(Maybe It needs more elaboration)

And For status and Money etc - I am not saying they ATTRACT women. But If someone knows how to use them correctly they can be super powerful tools. (Like Dan Bilzerian did - tilting man to women ratio in a social setting by atleast 1-7, no game needed in that case apart from inner game)
Again super high quality women - well educated and psychologically healthy - still need a connection.

Most famous puas like Mystery, Strauss, Ross, owen etc - still alone with no life partner. So yeah relationship side idk.
(I personally learnt a lot from Davidx and My father about BEING a man and relationships - his attitude and mindset)

I agree with a lot of what you say. Thanks.

 

[Seduceceleb]

Your view is fixated on people who are famous.
Think about it, you can’t possibly list all the hottest women in the world.

For every “most desirable woman” in your list, you can’t possibly know if she has a hotter sister or cousin.

You also have no way to know of hot women who don’t advertise themselves in Instagram (there are a bazillion of women with private profiles).


In the same vein, how do you know who is a “seducer”?

Sure, Mistery, Gunwitch, Chase are public figures but you have no way to know the “real identity” of many of the elder guys in this forum.

Chase has talked multiple times about how introducing himself as a “seducer” is a detractor for his game and that you need to be discreet.
Why do you think you can know who is a seducer and who isn’t?

I know with certainty of two guys here who are fitness influencers with big muscles.
You would never guess they run “game” unless you saw them in person.


The celebs/rich marry the celebs/rich.

You are making the wrong question here.

Do you want to fuck celebs/rich women? You can do that with game. There’s plenty of evidence in these forums alone.

Do you want to martyrs celebs/rich women? Then you need to become part of those circles… game will be useful for that but it is far from the only requirement.




Why do you equal celebs to “the best”?

That is a very naive way of thinking.

I have personally dated many actresses and I can tell you they are far from good girlfriends.
Lots of drama, public reputation issues, guys always drooling over them, they flirt with other men to secure gigs.
They are hot as hell, don’t get me wrong… but a full package?? They tipically aren’t.

I would suggest you meditate about why you care so much for public display of status.
A guy can totally be a discreet billionaire with a super hot wife who isn’t a model.

Why do you need people to know who you are so you consider yourself successful?

Most desirable here is from OBJECTIVE pov - How many men are drooling over her and how many women wanna be in her position ? - for me personally most celebs are not desirable - But I am talking about - CAN WE GET THEM? - Do we do or not that's different. But can we?
(Testament of our attraction and social skills)

Totally agree - Nothing is more repulsive to a woman than to tell them that you are a pro "seducer". Bad, very Bad.
But on this forum or in between we can atleast.
Also there are many guys who are seducers - naturally or they don't share it in public - so agree with this.

A lot of evidence ?? -- I would love to read field reports about celebrity/supermodels or any high profile seduction. Can you or anymore refer those to me. Maybe make a separate list of them.

Yeah for marrying and long term relationship - A LOT of other things needed as I said.

Here by "best" I mean most objectively desirable women. I know most actress and models or any women who uses her body as her primary tool has -- external locus of validation. A lot Drama and mess up. Agree.

Also if you dated an actress (I hope famous ones - not a waitress calling herself an actress) - please can you write field reports Sir or maybe to refer to one.
Thanks for your answer.

 

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If every woman on earth submitted their face, body, and personality to your judgement, your personal top 300 would not include a single celebrity whose name you currently know.

Agree -- but I am talking about objectively desirable. Most desirable here is from OBJECTIVE pov - How many men are drooling over her and how many women wanna be in her position ?