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January 10

Went on a date with the girl that I met on the bus. Third date of my life. It did not go very well. The plan was to meet her at Starbucks at 3:30 (the earliest she could do), and pull her to my place immediately to smoke a j. Then, I would lead her inside to get her comfortable and start physically escalating from there. Due to time constraints, I was feeling pressured to move quickly; I had to pick up my mom from work at five and even if I didn't, she would come home around 5:30, meaning the girl would have to be gone by then because my mom is religious. This was why I was a bit disappointed that she couldn't do earlier than 3.

So I meet her outside Starbucks and give her a hug to show that I'm happy to see her. Then I say that I'm not feeling like coffee, and that we should go have that smoke instead. She gladly agrees, saying that she isn't feeling coffee either. So I start leading, and as we're crossing the street, I place my hand on her lower / middle back. However, this felt sort of awkward because she was wearing a backpack. Maybe refrain from doing this next time if a girl is wearing a backpack. She tells me how she doesn't have much time to chill (but I now know some girls say this so that they have an excuse to leave if they feel things starting to move away from their favour). How she has to go meet her friend to buy some books for school. I don't acknowledge it and don't act fazed. Tossed out T's phrase: "so, what trouble did youu get into today?" She said: "no trouble, just school and such". "A likely story," I replied sarcastically. Anyways, we're light bantering about school and her selling her text books for cheap and how the world needs more nice people like her. I can already tell that she is on the hook, that the entire time, I'm not going to have to do much verbally. I gave her lots of eye contact and closed-mouthed smiles. She was in a really positive, happy, talkative state, and so I resisted the urges to have an opened-mouth smile, and to laugh / chuckle. We talk about her hometown Minnesota, and how she like it compared to Vancouver. I try to frame here: "I bet you came all the way over here to get away from your parents." She wins the frame however, by responding: "noo, I came here to study."Soon, she asks me where we're going, and I say: "its a secret" :) She says: "ok... I don't mind walking more..." This seemed to creep her out, and this is where she must've put on her first defences. So we keep walking, talking about weed and cop stories.

We get to my house, and I lead her to the backyard to smoke. "This is really strong," I tell her, "promise me you'll behave." While we smoke, we talk mainly about music. I asked her to show me her ring, and she told me that she got it at hippie fest and this leads to her talking about how she enjoys going to music festivals. We talk about this, and then she asks me what music I like and if I ever go to any shows. I screwed up here, I should've said: "I like everything," but instead I told the truth and that I've been to dubstep concerts, but over time, I have mellowed out to listen to more hip hop / rap. She said she didn't like that genre and didn't understand how rap was mellow. She mentions how she met travelling musicians once and that she let them stay over: "one of them wanted to fool around with one of my room-mates and so me and the other musician were like 'ok' and we just smoked joints and talked all night." This leads to the subject of how she enjoys meeting people, and I agree, "saying that people shouldn't live in shells." She was a really swell and social girl. She said something very respectable: "when I go on a bus, I'm like 'whoa, look at all these people I haven't met!'" I qualified her for this. Throughout this conversation, I was giving her lots of eye contact, also trying to look from the corners of my eyes. Near the end of the j, I leaned in a bit closer to ramp things up.

This is where I screwed up: after we finished the j, she looked at her phone and said really quietly: "still lot's of time..." I made my way to the front door of the house. And this is where I messed up. I should've said: "let's go inside and listen to some music, it sounds like you have a great musical taste." But instead, I just led, started walking towards the entrance; I didn't giver her any plausible deniability! When we entered my house, I think she said something like: "there's no one home...?" really quietly again. And this is where she went on full defence mode; sounded her alarms. Everything went to shit here, I felt her body language go from really relaxed to really tense and nervous. I told her: "take off your shoes," then proceeded to turn on some lights, trying to act as calm and cool as possible, so that she would be calm and cool. However, she declined. She looked at her phone: "oh, I have a voice mail... damn, I've got to go now... sorry... I'm a really busy person... I looked at her and said: "no you don't have to go." "I know if I take off my shoes, I'm going to chill for like half an hour, and I can't do that. You're in the neighbourhood, we'll chill soon!" And she opened the door and left."

I was mad at myself. After working so hard for this date, I fucked things up so fast. I called ProblemSolving, and he told me where I went wrong. Note for next time: give the girl a reason to come inside, whether it be to listen to music or watch a movie, it needs to seem like things 'just happened'.

Lessons learned:

1. Give the girl plausible deniability
2. Be the listener
3. Don't be overly sexual; you don't want to make things too obvious

A shout out to ProblemSolving! Thanks for taking the time to give me so much advice, both with the texting and the actual date processes.
 

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Congrats on getting that date, D!

Dern said:
Note for next time: give the girl a reason to come inside, whether it be to listen to music or watch a movie, it needs to seem like things 'just happened'.

You got it :)

And you can afford to talk a bit more than usual during a transition point; it takes the edge off some of the tension.

~Nick
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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January 14

Did 8 approaches around campus today. Really went for those approaches(5) where the girl was stationary, that way, it would be easier to have a normal conversation with her without having her blow me off straight away. Had one conversation that went pretty deep into the girl's dream job and how she decided to pursue it. Too bad she had a boyfriend. Another interaction that is funny to note lol:

1.

Me: *see her walk past*
Me: *jog up in front of her*
Me: "stop for a second"
Her: "what?"
Me: "I just wanted to let you know, *nose wrinkle and slow spreading smile* that you are aaabsolutely gorgeous"
Her: *smiles* "thanks"
Her: *starts walking away*
Me: "wait!"
Her: "I have to go see my prof"
Me: "two minutes won't kill ya" *start leaning against a pillar and smile*
Her: *complies*
Me: "so what is it that is so important?"
Her: "just marketing"
Me: "you'll have to work on that if you're gonna talk to me" :)
Her: "hahaha, persuade you to let me hand in a paper late" :)
Me: "...I won't tell anyone..." :)
Her: *smiles* "I really have to go now" *starts walking away*
Me: "let's grab a coffee sometime"
Her: "I'll see you around" :)
Me: *yelling after her* "don't stalk me!"

I should've persisted even more when she said: "I really have to go now," but that would really set me as the chaser.
 

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January 15

Nothing much to say today. Just another day of approaching at college and in downtown.
 

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January 16

Started the day off at college, then made my way downtown to open up more sets. Read Colt's article on what not to do with women. He mentions that as a beginner, it does matter what you say, and that you should be aiming to make the conversation sexual off the bat. So, that's what I really tried to do today + giving girls sexy eye contact, combined with cute and sexy look. Just gonna list some conversations:

1. School line up

Me: "do you want to budge in front of me?"
Her: "ummm"
Me: "I'm just kidding, I just thought you were cute, and wanted to talk to you"
Her: "Oh!"
Introductions
Her: "I have a boyfriend. Just thought I would let you know before you get really into it"
Me: "oh, I don't want to take your boyfriends spot"
*silence for around 5 seconds*
Me: *turn to her again* "Let me ask you a question"
Me: "If you were hooking up with a guy, and you found out that he was really into s&m, how would you react?"
Her: "umm... I don't really want to answer that."
Me: "why? are you embarrassed?" :) (should've rephrased it: why? you must be embarrassed, but don't worry, I ain't gonna judge)
Her: "no... I just don't want to answer that"

Lol, pretty funny. Gonna have times where this is gonna backfire obviously. Just thought that I would give it a try hahaha.


2. School student union area

Me: *go up to girl, look at her, she looks at me*
Me: *take a seat beside her*
Me: "I just saw you sitting here *pause* and I just wanted to let you know *slow spreading smile* that you are absolutely beautiful"
Her: "oh...! thanks!"
Me: "so I can tell you like eating healthy" (she was eating spinach or something)
Her: "Yeah"
Me: "you know what that says about people?" (should've said instead: you know what that says about youuu?"
Her: "what?"
Me: "that you have a strong sense of discipline"
Her: "haha yeah"
Me: "so that means you're all serious... no fun"
Her: "well... I do have a fiancé you see" :)
Me: "oh..." (should've said: well, I don't plan on being your fiancé)
*silence for a few seconds*
Me: "I bet I'm one of the first guys to approach you at college"
Her: "yes you are :) a very unexpected place as well"
Me: "its not every day that you get to meet someone as confident as me" :)
Her: "haha, no its not. I'm sure you'll find someone"
Me: "what if I'm looking at that someone right now?" (ugh, too obvious flirting here, should've restated to: "what if that person is in this room, right now?")
Her: "haha, well I am taken." :)
Me: "aaahhh... caught up in a precious net"
Her: "yep" :)
Me: "lucky guy..."
Her: "thanks..." :)
*I look away whilst smiling, silence ensues for a few seconds*
Her: *packs her stuff up" well, I got to go now, I'll see you around" :)


3. Street

Me: *see girl that I knew from a graduation trip walk past me*
Me: *turn back to approach her*
Me: "Cuuuubaa!"
Her: *looks at me* "oh!" *gives me a hug* "Darren?"
Me: "yeah!"
Her: "I thought you looked familiar! when you said cuba, I immediately recognized you. how have you been?"
Me: "good!"
Her: "you look different"
Me: "thanks" :) - lol funny chase frame! getting better and better at this each day
Her: "yeah! in a good way"
Me: "you look different as well"
Her: "really? I got this nose ring *points to it* and I might've gotten shorter" *starts laughing*
Me: *laugh with her* (damnit! need to tampen down my reactions, a closed mouth smile would've sufficed)
Her: "anyways, I'll see you around"
Me: "no wait! I want to talk to you more"
Her: "I need to go sell a text book. I told this guy I'd meet him at *time* and I'm already late!"
Her: *starts walking away* "hopefully we see each other again! have break together or something!"


4. Chapters

Me: *walk up to the side of a girl who is checking her phone*
Her: *looks at me* "oh sorry" *starts descending the escalator*
Me: "thanks... but I just wanted to let you know" *pause*
Her: "what?"
Me: "I just wanted to let you know *slow spreading smile* that your style is elegant."
Her: "oh thanks!"
Me: "the all black... *touch her upper arm here briefly, I feel that I should've held my touch here, but instead I touched her for a couple seconds then let go* really brings out the brightness of your hair"
Her: "thanks" :)
Introductions. I make sure to hold the gaze, we hold hands for quite a while lol.
Her: "you from around here?"
Me: "yes... born and raised... and you?"
Her: "the same"
*we start to descend the second set of escalators, she stops for a second because they were broken, then proceeds to walk down them. I followed behind her (bad!)*
Me: "so you must be quite the avid reader"
Her: "yeah, what about you?"
Me: "um... yes!"
*we get to the bottom here, and she stops*
Her: "what do you like reading?"
Me: "hmmm... *thoughtful look* probably, everything" (should've left out the 'probably')
Me: "what about you?"
Her: "self-improvement" *points to the book she's carrying*
Me: "cool. that's so respectable, someone who wants to make them-self a better person"
Her: "and as a result, make the people around them better"
Me: "awesome! that's such a great way of looking at it."
Me: "let's take this conversation to the starbucks over there" *signals my head in the direction of it*
Her: "I'm going to go buy this book, and then I've got stuff to do"
Me: "perhaps another time then?"
Her: "i can give you my number if you'd like"
Me: "aaahhh, making it easy for me, huh?" ;) (I was thinking of saying something after like: "if I didn't know better, I'd think you were just trying to get rid of me" *with a nudge*)
Her: *smiles, keeps walking*
Me: "hey stop for a second."
Her: *stops*
Me: *take out my phone*
Her: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Me: "Whitney, right?"
Her: "yep"
Me: "great!"
Her: "okay, byee!"

I sent her an icebreaker and she responded within 30 minutes. Gonna text her again tomorrow asking her what her schedule's like. Honestly, I don't expect her to reply. Seemed like she was trying to get rid of me. Why else did she offer me her number without me asking for it first? Then again, she did say some unexpected things, like asking me if I was from around here after I opened her.
 

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Goals for this week:

1. Good posture
2. Talk slowly
3. Steady eye contact
 

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January 22

College + Downtown. Tons of approaches, but no results. I'll open direct a lot of the time, and women will just say thanks and then walk away. Pisses me off. It's like I'm ugly or some shit. Maybe I am. I probably am. Fuck all this negativity, I'm just pissed :(
 

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January 23

Had one good conversation on the walk to school today.

I'm doing sexy walk, even though no ones around lol. Until... a girl walks up beside me.
Me: "hey"
Her: *turns to look at me* "heeyyy!" (judging from how she responded, I know I've approached her already! But I honestly can't remember! Hahahaha!)
Me: "going to class?"
Her: "Yeah, and running late...!"
Me: "haha, are you always late?"
Her: "haha, well I never give myself enough time, so I always think I'm going to be late!"
Me: "yeah same! I am always" *do jogging motion* (relate to her)
Her: *laughs :)*
Her: "what was your name again?" (ooo showing interest I see)
Me: "darren...and yours?"
Her: "maddy"
Me: "so what do you do here in the city?"
Her: "well I used to work, but then I quit so that I could do school full time. five courses. what about you?"
Me: *forgot to do thoughtful face, damnit! lol* "well, I quit work as well, so that I could focus on school and also have a social life. Or else I would be a hermit all the time."
Silence for a five or ten seconds. I'm thinking of what to say. But then she re-initiates me. (oh good! this time, I won the 'social pressure game')
Her: "so you're in psychology right?"
Me: "Yes I am*pause* But I think you're a better mind-reader than I am. After all, you can remember what I'm taking." :) (trying to set a chase frame here - oh you can remember what I study! must mean your into me!)
Her: *smiles*
Me: "what about you? what are youuuu taking?"
Her: "oh just sciences"
Me: "so you must be an analytical person then"
Her: "haha, I guess :)"
Me: *right here I could've deep dived, but talking about school at school is so boring. I mean if you walk through the halls, you can overhear people's conversations, and that's what most people talk about. So boring. Ugh. Instead, since she was laughing and I felt that my vibe was really good (due to a good night's rest - like 10 hours sleep), I tried to close*
Me: "so we should definitely grab a coffee sometime"
Her: "haha, maybeee" :)
Me: "what? am I thaaattt ugly?" :)
Her: "hahaha, no!"
Me: "then let's grab a coffee sometime"
Her: "maybe"
Me: "isn't that just a nice way of saying no?"
Her: "sometimes..."
Me: "how about a 'yes darren, I would looooveee to go out for coffee with you :)" (what could've worked as well: "sometimes... but not aaalll the time, and definitely not right now")
Her: "I'm too busy with school!"
Me: "isn't that why you quit work? so that you could also have a social life"
Her: "no, i quit so that I could focus on school"
Me: "oh cmon!" *light playful shove, while looking away*
Her: *laughs, seems to have enjoyed that*
Me: "I'm busy too *pause* but I'm sure we could find someee time"
Her: "I live with an Australian though"
Me: "so we couldn't go to your house :)" (hahahahaa so funny, how did I think of such a perfect chase frame?)
Her: *laughs :)*
Me: "why are you laughing like that?"
Her: "like what? :)"
Me: "well, your laughing, and you seem really into me, but you don't want to get a coffee with me....confusing me!" (good tease)
Her: "its just that this whole situation is really funny"
Me: *could've said something here like: "I know, its not everyday that a stranger approaches you. So thanks for the compliment, I know I'm not like the average guy: I can tell a girl what's really on my mind"
Instead, I just took out my phone and told her to enter her number*
Her: "no I can't."
Me: "you know you wannnaaaa" *still holding out my phone*
Her: "if I did give you a number, it wouldn't be a real one"
Me: "at least your honest"
Silence for a five or ten seconds. I knew I lost. Fuck :(
Get inside school.
Me: "where's your class?"
Her: "um. upstairs, you?"
Me: "downstairs" *put both hands on my face, open up my mouth and do a sarcastic surprised face*
Her: *laughs* "nice talking to you!"

Fuck. What could I have done better here? I think her laughing too much killed the sexual tension. The conversation was a lot of fun, but there definitely was too much teasing and chase framing, and not enough 'getting to know her'.
 

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January 25

Decided to scout out a new area today, so I took the bus to the nearby university. The thing about this place is that it is like a little village; there's lot's of people, and thus, many pretty girls (good thing), but it's a huge area, so everyone is spread out (bad thing). However, I did find a crowded place, seemed like the central area, right by an area named 'rose garden' lol. It looked over the sea, which was nice; it was a sunny day, the birds were chirping, and I had meditated before going out. Felt really good today, and I told myself that I was just out to have some fun :)

And I did, I had some memorable conversations. I think that if so many girls didn't have boyfriends, I would have a better chance of grabbing their numbers. Then again, if I keep playing the game, I'm bound to win: the words of Ricardus. Two important tips that I learned today are: (1) assertively say "stop". (2) stare into girls eyes to build sexual tension.

One girl I was flirting with, was telling me how she was in commerce, and I was teasing her, telling her that she would have to work on her persuading skills if she wanted to talk to me. She joked back, saying that maybe I should work on mine. To this I replied: well, maybe you could give me some tips ;)
I tried to close, but she was laughing a lot during this convo, resulting in little sexual tension.

Another girl, I stopped in the middle of a parkade. Since this place was big and empty, and voices echoed, she was creeped out at first. I lightly jogged up in front of her, and told her firmly to stop. Actually, I worked on just saying: "STOP" today, after my opener. It would definitely signal people's emotions to stop them, more than if I said in a passive tone of voice: "hey hold up a second." Anyways, I asked her if she was single, and she said: "no... why?" I complimented her, then stared into her eyes, slightly smiling at her. She said: "what?" Then, after, I talked to her in a slow voice, about what she did in this city (giving her positive feedback that she worked and went to school, meaning that it meant she had her life on track), and what she liked about history, the subject that she was studying, she seemed to calm down a bit. "You must really like the past," I said. "Yeah..." she responded. "What do you like about history?" "Well... the past is what makes up the present" To this I replied: "Wow... so simple, yet so deep." Tried to close after I said this, but I could tell she still didn't feel comfortable. She said she had a boyfriend: "oh! he's calling me now! bye!"
I had tried telling her that I didn't intend to be her boyfriend, but I think this creeped her out even more.

The last approach of the day was the best. I jogged up in front of her, got her to stop, and frontal opened with a direct line. Took her hand to introduce myself, and after that, let go, and stared into her eyes for around 10 seconds. She smiled back. Sexual tension!
Me: "What brought you here today?"
So we started talking about school. She asked me what faculty I was in, and I replied: "what faculty are youuu in?"
Her: "I asked you first"
"Oh... then it must be something that your ashamed of" I responded.
"I am! Haha. But so what? What faculty are you in?" she says.
"If you want to play games, I'll play games," says I.
We banter more, she says that I am very theatrical, to which I reply: "thanks!" She also asks me how often do this: "do you just go up to every pretty girl you see?"
I should've replied: "yeah....yeah.... yeah... I know... I can do something most guys can't. What else is new today?"
But instead, I said: "give me your number, and agree to a date... and I'll tell you." This was bad, framed me as the chaser.
She said: "no, I'm not giving you my number, giving me the boyfriend objection." I ask her what makes her think I want to replace her bf. She says that it would sort of be weird. I say that I don't like drama, and I'm not one to want to get involved in such a thing. Still, she's not buying it.
Right outside her apartment, I hop onto a stone, ask her to sit with me, but she declines and goes inside.

It was extremely refreshing meeting girls around a new area today. I told myself that I'm not ugly, I just have to focus on fundamentals, and that in the end, I'm just out to have some fun, and see how far I can push my boundaries :)
 

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January 29

1. Cute brunette in hallway

Me: "hey"
Her: "hi"
She walks ahead of me, so I walk a bit faster to get back to her side.
Me: "are you single?"
Her: *laughs, like it’s not something that she gets asked every day* "no, I'm actually not."
Introductions; handshake.
Me: "so what are you up to today?"
Her: "just finished class, going to go meet up with friends now"
Me: struggling for what to say, so this is what I say: "You seem like the goody two shoe kinda girl"
Her: *laughs*
Me: I should've followed up with something like: "am I correct?" Instead I say: "hey, stop for a minute" and stand by a wall
Her: *stops and takes a few steps closer to me - I'm locked in now*
Her: "why?"
Me: "I want to talk to you"
Me: "so what do you do here in the city?"
Her: "Well, I live out in poco, so I drive here to school, and drive back every day"
Me: *should've said something like: "aha! so you are a goody two shoe!" Instead I said: "so you’re quite the traveller"
Her: "yep *pause* seriously, I have to go though”
Me: “two minutes won’t kill your friends”
Her: *complies*
Me: “what else do you do?”
Her: “I play soccer”
Me: “ahh, so you must have a really hard kick”
Her: “haha yep”
Me: “like kicking balls?”
Her: *smiles*
Me: “I better watch out” *I take a step back, then step forward again (push-pull)
Her: *laughs*
Me: “hey so what’s your schedule looking like? We should grab a coffee sometime”
Her: “I do have a boyfriend”
Me: “and what makes you think I’m trying to take his place?” *skeptical look*
Her: “I don’t know…”
Me: “so what’s your schedule like?”
Her: “well, I have a 2 hour break at this time on Mondays and Wednesdays, and no breaks on Tuesdays and Thursdays”
Me: “cool, why don’t you just add your number to my phone then” *take out my phone*
Her: “okay, but I’m just letting you know, I do have a boyfriend” *talking in a tone of voice that says: so don’t try anything!*
Me: “so K…”
Her: “E L S A”
Me: “Kelsa… like the cool version of Kelsey”
Her: “haha, I guess”
Me: *look at her like I want her number, while showing her my phone at the same time*
Her: “xxx-xxx-xxxx”
Me: “great!”
Me: “so how’d you get into playing soccer?”
Her: “just started when I was young, and it sort of just escalated from there”
Me: “mmm, escalate... I like that word” (damnit! Too obvious flirting again! Better said: “mmm… I like your choice of words, not trying to escaaaalaattteee with me….are you…?”)
Her: “haha ok. I gotta go now, c ya!”

I sent her an icebreaker and she responded within ten minutes. Don’t know how I’m going to deal with this girl though, since she’s only giving me two hours, and lives far away, so she might be hesitant to meet up with me out of school time.


2. Curly haired brunette in library

Catch this girl walking up the stairs of the library. She pauses at the top, and this is where I come from behind her and open her from the side: “shhhhh” (because there was a sign in front of us that had a smiley face on it with a zippered up mouth lol). She laughs and continues walking. I look at her and signal her to take off her earbuds. She smiles at me and keeps on walking. So I open up my mouth to say something, and this is when she takes them off.

Me: “I just wanted to let you know… *slow spreading smile* that I looveee your curly hair”
Her: “thanks” :)
Me: “stop for a second” *lean by this glass overlook*
Her: “I can’t, I’m looking for someone”
Me: “two minutes won’t kill them”
Her: “it’s already been two minutes”
Me: *ignore that shit* “I’m Darren by the way” *hold out my hand*
Her: *laughs and walks away*


3. Brunette in library

Me: *frontal side open* “Are you single?”
Her: *smiles* “no.”
Me: “I’m Darren”
Her: *name*

Now I take her hand, and I never let go unless the girl lets go. But this girl didn’t let go. So we just held hands and stared into each other’s eyes for a good like 15-20 seconds. Then she looked over and said: “hey George!” I look over as well, and there’s this guy standing there. Fuck! Spell-broken!

Me: “is this your… friend?” (should’ve said boyfriend, why didn’t I? Because I was sort of scared that he actually was lol)
Her: “Yeah”
Him: *to me* “hey, you were in one of my classes.”
Me: *looks over at him* “I just wanted to let her know” *looks back at her* “how pretty I thought she was” (this is what I should’ve done but instead I did something like this: *look over at him, then look back at her* “I just wanted to let her know, how pretty I thought she was”)
Me: “okay, c ya”

Walk away half laughing and half mad at myself for not asking if he was her bf.
It was funny since I saw this guy again later, and he complimented my on my confidence. That was when I asked him if he was her bf, and he said no. I was like “damnit. Because I would’ve probably kept talking to her.” He was like: “oh really? I think she has a boyfriend though.” I was like: “yeah, she does,” then I kept walking away lol.


4. Hottie brunette in library

There’s this girl sitting down studying. So I go up to her, she looks at me. I open direct as usual.

Her: “thanks” :)
Me: “I hope you don’t mind if I take a seat”
Her: “I’m actually just studying”
Me: “two minutes won’t kill ya” *sit down*

Introductions; handshake

I sit down and stare into her eyes for like 10 seconds. She laughs, looks down, and continues studying.

Me: “just being a goody two shoe, huh?” (trying to re-initiate her)
Her: “just trying to study”
Me: “key word: studying” *I do that thing with my index finger and my middle finger, sort of looks like bunny ears flapping, but it indicates sarcasm*
Her: “haha, what about you?”
Me: “same…trying to study. But you’re quite the distraction”

I actually can’t remember this entire conversation. So I’m just going to write down parts of it that stood out. I remember I used the bored look a couple times throughout this interaction since she tried to ignore me. Usually it doesn’t work because the girls aren’t testing me; they’re just not interested from the get-go. However, it did seem to work a bit this time. Other than that, strong eye contact throughout this entire conversation (well, in most of my conversations when the girl is stationary, but this interaction made extremely good use of it).

Me: “are you always that spontaneous?” (don’t remember why I asked this, but something she said gave me the perfect opportunity to ask so)
Her: “yeah”
Me: “that’s cool, because some of the best moments in life are spontaneous”
Her: “yep.”

Me: “so what do you do when you’re not stressing over homework?”
Her: “*something* *something* *soccer* *something*”
Me: “oh cool, soccer huh? You must have a pretty hard kick.”
Her: “haha, sort of… not really…”
Me: “mm. so defender then?”
Her: “no”
Me: “what then?”
Her: “a bit of everything”
Me: “aaaahhhhh, the variety kind” *use my hands to express*
Her: “yep!”
Me: “how’d you get into soccer?”
Her: “just started playing it when I was young”
Me: “cool” (bad feedback lol)

Me: “so what are you studying anyways”
Her: “fitness fiz”
Me: “the fiz at the end of it just makes it” (said something like this lol)
Her: “Haha. What about you?”
Me: *thoughtful look without putting hand on my chin*
Me: “mostly psychology. You know… how we think, and behave”

There was this point where we ran out of things to talk about. So we just stared into each other’s eyes for a long time lol. I love doing this.

Me: “you have really pretty eyes :)” (should’ve said more sexually! Damnit Darren! Pretend like shes naked in the bedroom! You always forget to do that lol)!
Her: “thanks” :)
Me: “stop looking at me like that” (push-pull motherfuckers!)
Her: “like what?”
Me: “like…” *continue staring*

Hahahaha, so fun! Game is so fun! Meeting girls is so fun! And this staring to create sexual tension to replace words is so fun! Anyways, I try to close at some point, and she gives me the boyfriend objection + the busy objection.

Her: “I’ve got labs, exams, homework… fun stuff”
Me: “me too”
Her: “yeah? Psyc labs and whatnot?”
Me: “yep… fun stuff… so what’s your schedule looking like” (lol yeh, stud mode – ignore everything and push on)!
Her: “I’ve got a boyfriend” *blah blah fucking blah!*
Me: *use Wesley’s line as usual now lol* (thank’s Wesley!)
Her: “I just don’t want to do that to him…” *blah blah blah* “I hope you understand…”

Okay, at this point, she looks past me, and I look behind me, and there’s this guy walking up to us.

Me: “is that your boyfriend?” (hahah good job)
Her: “haha no”

Anyways, they greet each other, and it seems obvious they’re gonna go do a group project.

Me: “she’s gonna get a coffee with me before *look at her* right?”

Hahahahaha. So funny. I laugh after this, and say: “nice meeting you!” and walk away.


5. Brunette at café

She’s sitting down doing work, so I go up to her, she looks at me, and I open direct. She says’ she’s doing work but I say “two minutes won’t kill ya,” and sit down nevertheless. Gonna just write excerpts from the conversation.

Me: “what is it that’s so important anyways?”

Start light bantering about her studies (she’s doing business so I say: “working on your persuasion skills, I see” blah blah fucking blah. Then she shows some interest in me and asks me what school I go to).

Me: “Langara”
Her: “oh, me too”
Me: “I better not see you stalking me”
Her: “I think it would be the other way around”

This took me by surprise, and I didn’t know how to respond, just held a blank expression for a few seconds. Now that I think about it, I should’ve put on a skeptical face. Anyways, she totally won the frame here.

We talk about what her assignment is about. She says that she chose to write about how society creates a fake perception of beauty.

Me: “wow… deep” (shouldn’t have said this, she gave me an opportunity here to agree with her and talk about how society distorts everything, especially regarding rules on sex - would have allowed me to qualify her on her intelligence and set up a us vs. them frame, but I don’t think about these things until after the interaction, when I realize I screwed up – this is why writing everything down is so good, it makes you put down in words, what you did wrong so that you will remember it forever and ever and ever, and learn from it).

Her: “anyways, I’ve got to get back to work”

I try to close here. She gives me boyfriend objection. I reply with the usual. Still no go.

Me: “you don’t like trouble?”
Her: “it’s just that I can’t do that to my boyfriend, sorry, I hope you understand”


6. Blonde by school

After I approached the café girl, I realized that I am going to be late for class. So I drive, park 5 blocks from school, and begin walking. I am holding my drink, and have my other hand in my pocket. So not a very sexy walk; not in a state to approach. A cute blonde walks right past me. I stop. Think about it. Fuck it.

Lightly jog up in front of her.

Me: “stop.”
She looks at me and takes off her earphones.

Me: “I just wanted to let you know *slow spreading smile*
Her: “what?”
Me: “that you are aaabsolutely gorgeous”
Her: “thanks” :)
Introductions; handshake

Gaze into her eyes for 5 seconds.

Me: “so what are you up to today?” *use my hands to ‘exaggerate’ this*
Her: “just going home from school”
Me: “cool. Langara?” *points*
Her: “yep”
Me: “I go there too. I better not see you following me around” 
Her: “I won’t” :)
Me: “promise?” :)
Her: “yep” :)
Me: “so what do you do here in the city?”
Her: “well, I’m from Langley, but I live here during the week with my aunt and uncle”
Me: “that’s nice of them”
Her: “yeah, I don’t have to pay”
Me: “haha, straight to the point: ‘I don’t have to pay’”
Her: “haha”
Me: “what else do you do? Any sports, anything creative?”
Her: “well… I used to dance”
Me: “oh no way. What did you like about it?”
Her: “I don’t know…it was fun.”
Me: (“fun as in”… *should’ve added this phrase to the beginning of this sentence*) “you got to be the centre of attention; got to show off your agile movements; make boys stare…?”
Her: *awkward laugh*
Me: “Well, Hannah, you seem like a swell girl”
Her: “thanks!”
Me: “let’s say we grab a coffee sometime”
Her: “I actually have a boyfriend”
Me: “and what makes you think I’m trying to take his spot?”
Her: “I don’t know…”
Me: “What’s your schedule looking like?”
Her: “well… tomorrow I’m going back home”
Me: “okay, well just add your number to my phone”
Her: “okay”

I take out my phone and hand it to her, she enters her info down.

Me: “any plans for the rest of the day?”
Her: “gonna go out for dinner with my aunt, then gotta work on this library studies assignment” *starts talking about her library studies*
Me: “so you must really like books”
Her: “oh ya. That’s also something else I do. I like reading”
Me: “aaahhhhh, escaping to fantasies” :)
Her: “haha”

I should’ve related back to her here, but instead I kept pummeling her with questions. Fuck Fuck Fuck.

Me: “what books do you like? The ones with the handsome, mysterious men I’m guessing”
Her: *another awkward laugh*
Her: “I like teen dramas… fiction… cases that are presented, and solved.”
Me: “mm. mysteries”
Her: “yeah”
Me: “cool! Well, I’ll see you around!
Her: *sort of caught by surprise* “okay!”
Me: “bye”
Her: “bye”

Fuck! I should’ve deep dived reading more, but I was honestly just thinking about getting to class. I was still 10 minutes late, so I should’ve just kept talking to her and making the number pull more natural. But fuck! Also, waaaaayyyyy too many sexual remarks. I need to tampen down on those. I always feel the urge to toss those kinds of remarks out, even though I know I shouldn’t! It’s so weird! I know I shouldn’t do it but I still do! As a result, I could tell she was a bit weirded out.


7. Cute girl in class

I walk into class late, and there’s this girl in class who’s also in my psychology group in another class. The first time I tried talking to her, she seemed pretty shy, and not into me (or maybe just shy) so I stopped talking to her after that. But today, I was feeling pretty confident, so I took a seat beside her. At break I opened her with: “are you ready for the test tomorrow?”

Fuck! I know I shouldn’t talk about class in class. Instead, I should’ve said: “that’s nice of her (teacher)” because our teacher gave everyone a free 10$ tim horton’s gift card… I know, right?

Anyways, at least that got her talking. We light banter for a bit. She says she hates multiple choice, so I relate back to her (even though I love multiple choice lol). She asks me if I’ve started studying yet. I said no. I should’ve thrown the question back at her so that I could relate, because after that, she told me that she’s been studying for the past three days, making up her own questions and shit. So I sort of killed my relatability here.

Me: “so is this your first semester?”
Her: “um. No. I’m doing a second year course” (lol I’m so stupid, she looked young though, I swear!)
Me: “got me there”
Her: “yeah it’s my fourth and final semester”
Me: “me too, high five!”
We high five.

Me: *look ahead, pretend to be bored*
Her: *re-initiates me* “where are you planning to transfer to?”
Me: *thoughtful look without the hand on my chin* “mmmm, I applied to a bunch of universities”
Her: “well, where do you want to go?”
Me: “out of town would be nice. Change of scenery.” (implicitly stating im not bf material + not answering her question fully – not spilling the beans)
Her: “oh”
Me: “wbu?”
Her: “sfu”
Me: “you live around Burnaby?”
Her: “I live in Richmond, and you?”
Me: “I live in the Kitsilano area”
Me: *bored look*
Me: “so what do you do in Richmond?”
Her: *like it’s a stupid question* “what do you mean? I live in Richmond”
Me: “like do you do any sports? Anything creative?”
Her: “well I used to do gymnastics and play softball”
Me: “so you’re quite the athletic person”
Her: “haha sort of”
Me: “would you ever get back into doing those?”
Her: “hmm… well I’m too old for gymnastics now. Softball… in the summer I’ll probably get back into it, because all I’ll be doing is work.”
Me: *think about what to say* “so you must really be really good at batting”
Her: “haha not really…”
Me: “so what position do you play?”
Her: “just outfielder, nothing special”
Me: “I like how your humble”
Her: “haha”
Me: “I can tell that you’re the kind of person who, when they win an award, doesn’t brag about it”
Her: *shy laugh*
Me: “or maybe not….”
Her: *another shy laugh*
Me: *bored look again*
Her: *re-iniatiates me with a boring question about our research group* (why can’t she ask me what I do? *sob* *sob* lol jk)

Light banter about that for a bit until break is over. Made real good use of the bored look this convo and it worked wonders. Sucks that we only talked about “real shit” 1/3rd of the conversation. Although this girl is in two of my classes, so it is better to take things a bit slower. Gonna have to ask her out sooner or later though (before 5 classes). But I don’t know if I want to because she’s in my group and if she says no it would be so fucking awkward the rest of the semester.


January 30

1. Brunette girl sitting down on sofa

I go up to her. She looks at me and says: “heyy!” That’s when I know, that I’ve already approached her.
Me: “hey!” *take a seat beside her
Me: “whatsup?”
Her: “just obsessing over squamish music festival” *playing around on her phone, most likely reading about it*
Me: “cool”
Her: “yeah it’s in August”
Me: “ahhh, anything to take your mind off this horrendous…” *point outside the window to pouring rain*”weather…”
Her: “haha yep, still so far awayyy” (I should’ve responded: but you can dreeeaaaammmmm) 
Me: *look straight head of me* - Okay, I keep saying that I do bored look, but what I’m doing is just smiling and looking straight ahead (since she’s at my side). But I just realized that you should still have half your face turned to the girl when you do this. You shouldn’t be too aloof.
Her: *re-initiates me* “do you have class?”
Me: “no, I just finished a test”
Her: “oh what test? How’d you do?”
Me: *used my hands to demonstrate: ‘meh’*
Her: “oh, happy medium, that’s good”
Me: *look forward again*
Her: *re-initiates me* “what are you doing now?” (oh no! She wants me to leave… I can sense it - *sob* *sob* …please get me a bucket) lol jk
Me: “I was just on my way home, but you’re quite the distraction”
Her: “hahaha. Oh my god. I don’t even know what to say to that.”
Me: “ummm…. Thanks?”
Her: “haha, okay… thanks?”
Me: *look forward again*
Her: *re-initiates me again* “do you have class tomorrow?”
Me: “no, why? Want to grab a coffee?” (hah – not a bad chase frame – but better stated: “no, why? Wanting to grab a coffee with me I see)
Her: “haha no. I have a boyfriend”
Me: “and what makes you think I want to take his spot?”
Her: “well… you asked me out for coffee… so I’m assuming…”
Me: “doesn’t mean I want to be your boyfriend. I just want to get to know you better”
Me: “just add your number to my phone”
Her: “I’ll take down your number”
Me: “Okay. It’s xxx-xxx-xxxx” (damnit! Went a bit needy here. Better to have been like: “I don’t give my number out just like that! You gotta work for it girl!)
Her: “what’s your name?”
Me: “Darren”
Her: “okay! Got it, Darren!”
Me: “and yours?”
Her: *her name* (I forgot her name already lol)
Me: “nice to meet you again” *shake hands lol*
Me: “so what do you like about Squamish music festival”
Her: “well, Bruno mars is going to be there *names more artists*”
Me: “sounds cheery” (like cheerful – but I think I should’ve said instead: “sounds like you’re going there because you really enjoy the artists)
Her: “well, yeah, it better be, it’s outdoor”
Her: *looks down at her phone again and says real quietly: “hmm… to do or not to do”*
Me: *look ahead again*
Her: “what are you doing now? Going home?”
Me: “yeah, what about you?”
Her: “I need to go to the mall! and get a knife engraved!”
Me: “for your boyfriend?” (better stated: “oooooo, for your boyfriend” – lightly teasing)
Her: “yeah, don’t tell him though”
Me: “I won’t. I like secrets *pause* This one will be between me and you” :)
Her: “hahaha. Oh. My. God.”
Me: *stand up* “which way are you going?”
Her: *points* “that way, but I’m not going yet”
Me: “okay, c ya”

Also, at one point of the conversation (I don’t know know exactly when, it’s actually surprising I can remember these interactions with such vivid detail in the first place, but I don’t know where to put this part), I asked what she did for work, since she mentioned it briefly.

Her: “oh I work at a restaurant in *somewhere* ….hostess”
Me: “oh, so you must be really good at putting on that friendly smile”
Her: “haha ohhh yes.”
Her: “hello! How are you today? Table for three?”
Me: “mmm, even got it memorized”
Her: “of course. Two years and going.”
Her: “do you have a job?”
Me: “no”
Her: “how do you support yourself then?”
Me: “mmmmmm….”
Her: “parents? I do that sometimes too”
Me: “well (not wanting to sound like a snob), I saved up money during the summer” – revealing some info about myself
Her: “oh”
Me: “yeah, I respect my independence. I bet you do too.” :)
Her: *smiles sorta awkwardly, sort of like saying: ‘I do have a boyfriend, you know’*

Pretty good interaction overall. Made real good use of putting the social pressure on her.


January 31

Went to the university today. The day started off horribly. I would say assertively to girls: “stop,” and this would get them to stop right there and then. But then after my opener, they would say they were busy or whatever and continue walking. No point in chasing those girls. They’re in a hurry and uninterested. After an hour, I was ready to give up. My confidence had completely dissipated from the previous days and I knew this was because I hadn't had any good conversations thus far. But I simply wasn't satisfied.“It’s not time to give up,” I told myself.

Right then, I saw a building that everyone was going into. I had no idea what this building was but this is what is so fascinating about going to a new environment to meet girls. “Meh, why not,” I thought, and I made my way inside.

1. Brunette sitting down in caf

I went up to her and opened direct. “Thanks,” she said.
Me: “I hope you don’t mind if I take a seat”
Her: “no, of course”
Me: *take the seat closest to her facing her directly*
Introductions; handshake
Me: “so what is that you’re working on?”
Her: “chemistry”
Me: “so you must be….savvy”
Her: “haha not really, I hate chemistry”
Me: “so why are you taking it?”
Her: “I have to”
Me: *put on sad face*
Me: “for what?”
Her: “science”
Me: “cool…”
Me: “so what do you plan to do with science? Like what are your dreams… your ambitions…”
Her: “I want to be a surgeon”
Me: “oh cool…”
Her: “yeah”
Me: “and open up people and stuff”
Her: “yeah… well I would be a plastic surgeon. Help people who get into accidents.”
Me: “oh I see. Transform people back into their original form”
Her: “yeah”
Me: “so what else do you do, when you’re not stressing over chemistry”
Her: “well, I’m on the track team”
Me: “oh, cool. So you must be a really fast runner”
Her: “haha sort of.”
Me: “I like how you’re humble”
Her: “haha :)
Me: “most people would jump on that chance and be like: ‘yeah! I’m the fastest runner ever”
Me: “but you… you’re like: “mmmm… sort of… I’m alright”
Her: “haha, yeah… getting there”
Me: “practice makes perfect :)
Her: “yeah”
Me: “well you seem like a swell girl, want to grab a coffee sometime?”
Her: “I actually have a boyfriend”
Me: “and what makes you think I want to take his spot?” *said with a nudge on her upper arm*
Her: “well, I’ll be down for coffee if it’s just as friends”
Me: “I can’t promise you that, but I can promise you that you’ll have a good time ”
Her: “haha okay…”
Me: “great” *take out my phone* “just add your number to my phone”
I give her my phone, she adds her info.
Me: “I’ll send you a text later so you have my number saved. Just make sure you aren’t calling me 24/7”
Her: “haha, ok I’ll make sure”
Me: “so, how’d you get into track?”
Her: “well, my mom was in it, so I thought that I’d do it too”
Me: “ah, like mother, like daughter”
Her: “yep”
Me: “you must really look up to her”
Her: “yeah, I do”
Me: “I look up to my mom as well” (I tried to relate to her here, but I think I should’ve just dived deeper, instead I tried too hard to relate back)
Her: “cool”
Me: “it’s good to have a role model” (screwed up here, should’ve been like: “yeah as I grew older, I realized more and more how much my mom did for me, and I want to mirror her generosity, but for you, I’m guessing that you want to mirror her athleticism?”)
Her: "yeah"
Me: *made my farewell*

Fuck! I can’t think always think of these things on the spot. But I know with practice, I can. Just read Anatman's LR and he did great on relating to the girl regarding her relationship with her mother:

Me - So you and your mom are best friends, then?

Her - Definitely! I talk to her at least once a day

Me - And you can share almost anything with her? I can talk to my mom about anything

Her - Same here! (I had her qualifying herself here, relating to me, rather than vice-versa)


2. Mexican girl walking

This girl was on the phone, apparently waiting for someone, so I waited for her to get off before approaching.

Me: “hey!”
Her: “hi”
Me: “I just wanted to let you know… *slow spreading smile* that I loveee your style”
Her: “thanks”
Me: “your red scarf really works well with the all black”
Her: “thanks”
Me: “it doesn’t sound like you’re from around here”
Her: “I’m from mexico”
Me: “mehico”
Her: “yeah”
Me: “so do you like it here?”
Her: “yeah! I do!”
Me: “what do you like about it?” *use my hands to express this*
Her: “everything. The weather, it’s really nice today”
Me: “yeah it is. Everyone seems happier. You can really feel it”
Her: “yeah”
Me: “it seems like you’re waiting for someone”
Her: “yeah, my friend should be here, but is not”
Me: “I’m sure she’ll be here soon…” (better not to have said?)
Me: “so what do you study here?” *point to ground*
Her: “economics”
Me: “ah. Money money money”
Her: “Haha :) What do you study?”
Me: *thoughtful look* “psychology… how we think… how we behave…”
Me: “how’d you get into economics?”
Her: “I love economics! The world revolves around it”
Me: “Yeah. All these buildings around us *use arms to show this* all these people, wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for economics”
Her: “yeah exactly...! Well, I got to go now!”
Me: “Let’s grab a coffee sometime” *start taking out my phone*
Her: “I have a boyfriend”
Me: “…and what makes you think I want to be your boyfriend?”
Her: “haha…”
Me: “just add your number to my phone”

I take out my phone and show it to her while I type in her info. Halfway through, her friend calls her. She talks to her friend, hangs up, and then continues giving me her info. Then she says bye and walks away.

I sent both of these girls an icebreaker text an hour ago. But no reply yet.
 

Dern

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Re: STICKIED: D's Journal

February 6

Not gonna lie: been feeling a bit demoralized these past few days. It's like my state is based on how well I do with women, and I haven't had the best approaches.

Anyways, did some approaches around campus today. I'm gonna list two of them.

1. Cute blonde

Me: "hey" *look at her first*
Her: *looks at me* "hey, whatsup?" *takes out her earphones*
Me: *compliment her on her all black outfit*
Her: "not all black, see... white" *shows me her white shirt which is underneath her black coat*
Me: "oh, confusing me"
Introductions; handshake
Her: "aren't you in my environmental studies class?"
Me: "you would like to think I am" :)
Her: "you look really familiar... I'm pretty sure you are" (lol, you've got me mixed up with someone else, silly)
Me: "maybe I am... maybe I'm not... and life goes on" (what I should've said)
Me: "hey stop"
Her: "I've got to get to class"
Me: *yelling after her* "two minutes won't kill ya"
She keeps walking... fuck...

I think I should've had kept walking with her to build more comfort before trying to get her to stop.

2. Blonde

Me: "hey"
Her: *turns to look at me* "Hey! haven't seen you in a while!" (okay, so I've approached this girl before)
Me: "yeah" *eye contact for 5 seconds without saying anything*
Makes her speak first.
So we light banter about school for a bit. I'm really working on handling social pressure and not bombarding girls with so many questions. Seems to be working when the girl is interested (she'll ask me questions instead). If not, then the conversation is just silence.
She mentions something about her fingers being too big to type on the iphone. I relate back to her, by saying something like: "yeah, me too... we need that keyboard that you attach to phones haha". She says she has an ipad back home that her brother got her.
"So you must be close with your brother, then?" I ask.
Her response was like: "well... sort of... he's older than me, so as close as siblings get... well, not really." (so from this response, I knew it wasn't worth it to deep dive about her bro).
Me: "so you must really like the past" (because she mentioned that she's in history)
Her: "yeah I do"
She shows some interest in me by asking what I study. I do thoughtful look and then say: "mostly psychology"
Me: "what do you like about history?" (turn it back to her)
Her: "mmm.... well I took some religious studies classes before, found it really interesting what people believe in and it really surprised me that they actually believe in such things" (said something like this)
Me: "how gullible people are"
Her: "yeah exactly. its like people believe in whatever is in front of them"
Me: "mhm. people have chances, and they take them" (trying to implicitly signify that's like what I do lol, but in her case, she sort of saw it as a negative/interesting/surprising thing that people used to be so gullible)
I ask her out for coffee sometime and she accepts. I try to schedule a date on the spot, asking her what her schedule is like. She tells me, asks me what mine is like. I get off pretty early most days. "Oh so you must have super early classes," she says. "Yes," I reply. This leads to more banter about how she's not a morning person and I relate back to her.
"What's the day you get off the earliest?" I ask.
"Tuesdays... I'm off at 2:30," she says.
"Okay, let's do that sometime!"
"Sure!"
"Great, just add my number to my phone" (meant to say: just add your number to my phone lol)
She gives me her phone, I enter my number in it.
I toss out a chase frame just to see how she would respond: "just make sure you don't call me 24/7 :)"
Her: "haha, I'll do my best"
Me: "Yeah..."
"What's your name again?" I ask.
"Emily"
So I send: "emily" to my phone.
Her: "Okay, I got to go now! Gonna go to the library and study quickly."
Me: "key word *pause* quickly"
Her: "haha yeah for like half an hour, then I got to get going"
Me: "ok, c ya"
Her: "have a good spring break!"

Sent this girl an icebreaker: "it was nice bumping into you today :)"
Its been two hours and no response yet. Hopefully she's at work or something...
Anyways, we have a week off school, and she lives in poco (probably like a 30 minute drive from school), so chances of her coming to meet me out of school time are unlikely. Maybe I should try to get her out earlier nevertheless? Else, I have to wait like a week and a half before seeing her again.
There was nothing really special about this conversation, it had friendly undertones, which is not what I'm going for. I'm going for sexual undertones. Need to talk slower, use more pregnant pauses, and more eye contact.
 

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February 7

Went to the university campus today. Approached for 2 hours straight, but not even one number :(

Goals for the upcoming week:

1. Good posture
2. Speaking slowly
3. Pregnant pauses
 

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February 13

Did some university approaching today. This is like my new favourite spot because most of the girls there are my age and thus, easier to relate to because they go to school, just like me. I walk around, pretending I go there, when in reality, I don't... lol. I had this sort of "stoned" vibe going on today. Didn't smoke the night before, but when I woke up, I felt stoned... it was weird lol, probably just tired from exercising so much. Anyways, this turned out to be a good thing because for me stoned = smooth. So odd because on days where I'm like: "yeah! I'm gonna go out today and meet some women!" I exude this jumpy, cheerful, jokester vibe, which, as we all know, is actually detrimental when it comes to seduction. I mean, today, my fundamentals were solid. This is also because I've been telling myself that I shouldn't focus so much on the conversation, and on trying to predict what the girl is going to say/how she is going to respond, and thinking of how I'm going to respond, before any of it even goes down! So today, it was all smooooooth me. Talked reaal slow, gave solid eye contact (though I gotta work on this when I'm the talker - I know that as the speaker you only give 70% eye contact, but I think I break eye contact a bit too much when I'm speaking), focused on my posture (even though I'm sure there were scenarios where I just started slouching because I wasn't consciously thinking about it anymore... hopefully that's not the case, and I am at the point where I stand straight unconsciously).

Getting straight to the point: I got two numbers, but I don't think I'm gonna get a date from either one. The first girl was a blondy, and I opened with: "are you single?" She said "no," but I continued talking to her. Even did an okay job of light bantering, which I am practicing more on as well. Like if a girl says she's in economy for example, I'll be like: "so if we both started investing in stocks right now... you'd probably make waayy more money than me, right?" For this girl, she was wearing a thick winter jacket and large, cozy gloves, even though it wasn't that cold outside. So I teased her by saying: "so what's it like in Antarctica?" She said: "really warm." I just continued the conversation then, asking her where she was off to, what she studied here, blah blah blah. But I really should've responded: "apparently..." I guess I didn't expect her to respond that way, because a girl actually didn't get that joke when I said it to her... lol... Anyways, away from the excuses... I got the number when she was telling me a lot about herself (well not really, not really any deep shit, just about her masters in biology and shit; why she got into it, what interested her so much about it and what not). I was making pretty dumb cold reads during this conversation, when I know I should've just continued the deep diving and relating. Stupid me. There was lots of tension during this conversation because I am getting so much better at creating it. Eye contact, silences, and sexy smiles. Period. However, the conversation still felt boring, mainly because I feel like I was trying a bit too hard to get to know her. I followed Anatman's advice and didn't try to stop her (from walking), so it also felt a bit weird, because it is harder to have meaningful conversations when both people are walking. And more investment on my part, because I walked her to the bus stop (good thing I didn't wait with her till the bus came). After the number pull, I stayed and talked to her a couple more minutes, just because I didn't want it to seem like all I wanted was to get her number. She did mention she had a bf after she gave me her number and I was like: "yeah, I'm not really looking for a relationship right now. You know, I'm not the kind of guy who *put my arm around her* says: 'oh look at us! we're dating!'" This is actually a new tactic I am using, and it seems to be getting decent results compared to: "and what made you think I was trying to replace your boyfriend?" Because it just sounds less gamey and less sexual and less direct ((which is good, because I find that when you say something like that (what makes you think I want to be your bf?), you're in a way, communicating that all you want is sex, and I feel girls can pick up on this)). So I switched it up and even though it has less sexual undertones, it is good since you're sort of making fun of relationships, but doing so in a light way, while at the same time, not sacrificing the message that you don't want to be her bf. Plus, you have a reason to touch her.

Okay, so now, the second girl. I actually jumped onto a stone hedge, and jumped back down (silly me, always thinking about women), turned to my side, and saw this beautiful blonde (omg whitish blond hair... so fucking sexy...aaaahhhhh!) sitting alone having a smoke, headphones in. Hopefully I just appeared, and she didn't see the "jumpy" me... lol. I open direct and take a seat beside her. Close off the distance, just like that. Oh my god, this conversation was the best of the day... there was soooo much sexual tension. I am getting so boss. I was actually thinking of kissing her at one point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had to refrain myself from not doing so because I knew that if I did, I would probably never see her again (because she would be like: "oh we kissed, now he wants to meet up another time, now what's going to happen if I meet up with him... oh... that's right... sex). That's how much tension there was. She was chucking because she could feel it too, and sometimes, I would return a soft chuckle, even though I tried really hard to refrain myself from doing so. "No Darren!!!!!!!!!! Only smiling!!!!!!!!!! No laughing, you fucking retard!!!!!!!!!" Yeah, so it was good because all throughout the day, some girls were laughing (because I had approached them or whatever; sexual tension, yada yada yah), and I would just smile sexually at them and give eye contact as a response (like a fucking smooth ass mofo). Okay, now for the actual conversation part. I light bantered like: "just sitting here, reminiscing, huh?" Then asked her about the music she was listening to, deep dived it, provided feedback, but I couldn't relate to her (it was some woman singer ok... lol). So I switched topics to school, deep dived that. She was an english major... perfect! I said she must really like writing/reading. Asked her what she liked about it, how she got into it, what sorts of writing she did. Complimented her on her creative side. And I actually related back to her (something that, yes, I've been working on as well). I told her about a story that I wrote when I was little... about a fish... hahahahahahaha omg so funny. This is what game is about dawggg: turning shit like this into deep shit! Anyways, got the number. And afterwards, she was like: "oh yeah, just to let you know, I do have a boyfriend." I was like: "yeah, way to tell me now." She was like: "sorry." I was like: "it's ok. I'm not the type of guy who likes to put a label on things." And then I did the thing that I did with the girl above (put my hand around her, pretend to be her boyfriend lol). "oh look at us! we're together!" *stop pretending, look back at her* "yeah, I'm not that kinda guy." I light banter with her a couple more minutes about her canoeing trip that she mentioned she's going on (since spring break is next week), then abruptly say: "ok, bye!" because I couldn't think of a way to end it smoother. Even though something like: "any plans for the rest of the night?" would've been good. Then been like "cool, well I gotta run, catch you later!" But I just sort of said: "bye," gave her a handshake and left lol. Made me look nervous in the moment.... noooooo... didn't end on enough of a sexual note.... nooooo. Anyways, don't think I'll see her again because she mentioned she lived in Ladner (which is really far dude!), and she's only in the city Tuesdays and Thursdays, and she's leaving for that trip (don't know when though). I offered to have coffee the Tuesday she's back from spring break (a week and half), and she said: "maybe... we'll see." Anyways, I'll text her tomorrow (when my phone is fixed - didn't even get a chance to send ice breakers tonight because so) to see when she's leaving and maybe if she's really into me, she'll drive into the city. But then, logistics are a bitch because I live at home, but I did get accepted into uni out of town which I am so psyched for because that means in September I'll have my own place! :)
 

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February 14

Valentines day! Hahahaha I remember when I was young, I would always get depressed on this day because I was single and lonely. Now, I've grown and matured and realize that it is just society's way of making money. "So commercial," that's what all the down to earth people say. So here's to being single, boys! Fuck valentines day!

Again, headed down to the university today. One hour of walking around, and I already had two numbers.

1. Brunette chick

She was walking, headphones in. So I figured that I would try lingering touch to get her attention. I went up to her side, walked alongside with her for a few seconds, then proceeded to move my hand to touch her elbow. However, before I even touched her, she flinched hard. Got super scared; pretty much jumped out of her skin lol. I looked at her. "Sorry," she said. "I thought you were going to touch me." I said: "oh. sorry if I scared you." She said it was ok. I then proceeded to say: "you are really pretty though." "Oh really!?" she said. "Thanks!" From her response, I could tell right away that she had a really jumpy, exciting vibe to her. One of those cheerful chicks who are always running all over the place in their own world. Actually, this would've been a pretty good cold read to have made. However, I walked with her (I tried sitting down with her but she said she had a meeting to get to) and just deep dove school and found out she was majoring in biochemistry. I asked her what her dreams and ambitions were; what she wanted to do with chemistry. She said she had no idea, she just really liked it. I know I should've pressed harder here, and given her some inspiration, like asking her what job she would want if she could have any job in the world. However, I just related back to her, saying that I had no idea what I wanted to do either (even though I do). So relating = good, but, inspiration = bad. We light bantered about where we were from. Found out she was from out of town, and was actually heading back home tomorrow to visit friends and family for spring break. I offered to have coffee with her when she came back, but she said she was seeing someone at the moment. I said: "and what makes you think I want to take his spot?" She replied: "I don't know... just the way you approached me." I then said: "well, I would really just like to sit down with you sometime and chat some more." "Okay," she said. "I guess there's no harm in that." I got her number, and wanted to talk more with her, but she was like: "I'm gonna try to catch this (traffic light)!" And she ran off. Damn... zero investment in this conversation.

2. Australian girl

She was sitting down on a sofa. I went up to her and said: "excuse me" to get her attention. Asked her if the spot next to her was taken. She said no. "Great, because I hate sitting alone," I said. "Me too," she replied. Introductions; handshake. Went direct with: "you just caught my eye," so she knew the true reason why I sat down. Moved her backpack beside her to the ground so that I could close off distance. Made real good use of eye contact and social pressure throughout this interaction. Bantered about school for a bit, what she was taking, and how she was getting distracted from studying by her cell phone. Didn't really feel like deep diving school, so I said: "I notice you have an accent." That's when I found out she was from Australia. So I deep dove that. Asked her what the differences between Vancouver and Australia were. She said the people: people here are more closed off and in their own bubble, while people in Australia are more friendly and welcoming. I then turned that statement into a question: "what about you? what would you say you are, then?" She said she was a bit of both, and that it depended on what the people around her were like. "Ahh," I said. "So you feed off other people's energy." I then deep dove travelling, since she said she moved from Australia to Vancouver and back to Australia a lot. Asked her if she ever travelled, or wanted to, and where she would go if she could go anywhere in the world. She said some exotic place that no ones ever heard of. She listed like two places, and I teased her with: "you lost me there." Lol. Anyways, she told me where that place was (in the Phillipines). I number closed here. She was telling me a lot about herself. After the number close, she was like "well, nice meeting you." I said: "nice meeting you as well," shoke her hand again, and bantered with her for a couple more minutes, because I wanted to make the number swapping natural; make it seem like I care about her, rather than treating her like a number. Bantered about what plans she had for spring break. She said she just turned 19, so maybe go out. "Getting into trouble," I said with a smile. She laughed, and I made my farewell here (left on a sexual note, good)! Side note: should've said this with more of a smirk and playful tone. Other than that, pretty good interaction overall. I felt like the convo dragged on a bit because she seemed to want to go back to her studying, but I wanted to make the number pull more natural, so maybe I talked a bit too much, but this number seems to be the most promising from the other three I've gotten so far this week.
 

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Been doing college approaches all week. Got one number yesterday, but once again, I don't think I'm going to get a date from it.

1. Brunette chick

Me: "those are some sweet ass rings"
Her: "thanks, I got them from Salt Springs..." (was gonna say more but then I cut her off... fuck me... breaking the law of least effort and preventing her from hooking)
Me: "are you from Salt Springs?"
Her: "no, but I go there a lot"
Me: "hey stop for a second" *I stop, lean the side of my head that is closest to the wall beside me while I full face her*
Her: *she stops but then says: "I have a bio lab in... 8 minutes..."*
Me: "2 minutes won't kill ya"
Her: *complies*
Introductions; handshake
Me: *give eye contact with a slight smile for around 5 seconds* (gotta make my eye contact sexier by using cute underlook)
Me: "so are you from around here?"
Her: "nope, I'm from Calgary"
Me: "you must be really happy to be here then"
Her: "uh huh"
Her: "how about you?"
Me: "I'm from here."
*awkward silence for a couple of seconds... fuck... my nervousness getting the best of me*
Me: "so what made you come from Calgary... to here?" *point to floor*
Her: "I just did."
Me: "wow... are you always that spontanous?"
Her: "yeah"
Me: "that's good... because some of the best moments in life are spontaneous" *said in a monotone voice* (fuck me)
Her: "yeah"
Me: "so why do you go to Palm Springs a lot?"
Her: "Salt Springs... even though I go to Palm Springs a lot too, ironically... to visit family and stuff"
Me: "yeah, why Salt Springs?"
Her: "visit friends"
Me: "cool... so you're quite the traveller" (should've tossed in frame here instead like: "ooo sounds like trouble")
Her: "Yeah, what about you?"
Me: "I'm from here. I like travelling too."
Me: "Where's the best place you've gone?"
Her: "hmm... that's a hard question... probably... *names some cool sounding foreign countries*"
Me: "cool..." (awkward moments! still struggling on what to say... I should just give eye contact and say something like: "oh, is that right?")
Me: "we should grab a coffee some time" (number grab on low point, convo never got to a high point)
Her: "yeah"
Me: "great" *take my phone out and enter her details*
Her: "ok I gotta go now! I got a bio lab"
Me: "oh, you must like looking at life's specimens"
Her: "haha, yeah, what do you do?"
Me: "psychology... how we think, behave"
Me: "What do you plan to do with biology?"
Her: "Go into med school"
Me: "aaahhh, help people."
Her: "Yep"
Her: "okay, well I gotta go"
Me: "yeah, me too, c ya"

Fucking eh... such an awkward interaction. Took her 10 hours to respond to my icebreaker, and I doubt I'm gonna get a date.

What could I've done better?

- not cut her off as she was explaining to me the story behind her ring
- after I got her to stop, I should've asked to take a closer look at her ring, taken her hand, raised it up, so that I could inspect it from under, and hence, increase sexual tension and touch
- should've tossed in that chase frame about going to Salt Springs to visit her friends
- nailed her with questions rather than just sticking on one topic and deep diving it
- we were standing at the side of a hallway - should've focused less on talking and more on attaching a playful vibe to the interaction
- smile dammit!
- too nervous... thinking too much about what to say... relax... just focus on fundamentals - standing straight, talking slow, eye contact, etc.
 

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Got one number at school today:

1. Blonde girl studying in caf

Stand in front of her for a few seconds until she notices me. I then open direct. Take a seat across from her while introducing myself. Her name is Calypso, so I compliment her on her name and ask her what the story behind it is. Light banter about how her mother wanted to call her Callie. Then some guy comes up to her and starts talking with her; basic stuff, but then he asks her who I am and what we're talking about. "My name... as usual," she replies. He introduces himself, and shakes my hand. I guessed he was her bf so I smile slightly and turn my head away from them. After a brief exchange of words, he leaves, and I turn back to her and ask: "is that your bf?" As, I suspected, he was. But I act unfazed, and switch the subject quickly: "so, if what you're studying is so boring, why take it?" (because she was telling her bf that what she was studying at the moment was boring stuff). She immediately hooks, and this surprised me, because usually girls don't hook this early into the interaction. I guess the bored look and acting unfazed did it. Anyways, she goes onto a huge speech about why psychology is boring and stuff, and that she just took it because it seemed interesting at first. "Things aren't always what they look like on the surface," is the feedback I gave. I ask her what her major is, then, and she says math, and keeps talking. All I have to do is give her eye contact; I also incorporated head tilts and cute underlooks. "Mhms...yeahs... " and *head nods* are all I had to do. So far, following the law of least effort (although I felt that I wasn't sitting as straight as I could've). I was getting bored of listening to her, so I did a slight bored look, in hopes she would switch topics (I was not liking this "friendly" conversation). She was one of those chicks that just won't stop talking, and therefore, one of those chicks that you just have to fuck some sense into ;)

She then asks me what my major is. I look to my sides, then back to her (although I should've looked to my sides and down, then back to her). I say "mostly psychology." Lol. She asks me what I want to do with it, and I use one of Anatman's line: "I don't know... all I know is I want to travel the world." She then asks me what teachers I have, and it turns out that we have the same teachers, and she comments on how they suck. I reply: "yeah, we're going to turn into bitches." Sort of a sad attempt to lighten up the conversation, she just sort of replied: "haha." I then transitioned pretty well to another deep dive question: "so then, how'd you decide on math?" She starts blabbling again, saying that she tried a lot of things, like hairdressing, but she didn't like it because you didn't get to be creative, and just had people telling you what to do all the time. "You want to be the boss of your own boss," I reply. She likes math because although psychology is super easy, she could probably get an A in it, math is just applicable to everything; it's very practical. I agree with her, don't remember exactly what I said, but I remember I could've done a better job, just didn't really know how to agree with her more. I then switch the conversation to: "so what do you do when you're not stressing over school?" She starts listing a shit load of stuff (like knitting). I provide pretty good feedback: "sounds like you have a creative mind. I can also tell you enjoy your sense of freedom and independence; you don't like people telling you what to do." She agrees, and turns the question back to me.
I do another thoughtful look and respond: "reading... writ-"
Her: "Oh ya! I love reading too!" (Lol, you just won't shutup huh?)
Me: "yeah... I lovee reading"
Her: "I try to get my bf to read; I'm like 'here, take this book,' and he'll take it. And days later, it'll still be lying there, and I'll be like 'if you aren't gonna read it... I'm just gonna take it back haha'"
Me: *smile, don't go further into anything about her bf*
- it was interesting how she used my interest to disqualify her bf and relate to me

I number close here. She messes up and gives me the wrong number at first, so I tease her: "I thought you said you were a math major" (bad tease - slightly hurtful)! She says to text her straight after I get her number. So I do. It provided me a perfect chance to chase frame: "just don't be calling me 24/7," but for some reason, I just kept quiet with a slight smile. I ask her what her schedule is like, and she says she's off Fridays, so I try to set up a date for this Friday. She says she's busy; doing something with her mom. So I act unfazed, once again.
I then continue the conversation, asking her what she wants to do with a math major. She says she has no idea. I feel that I should've pressed harder like: "well, what would you do?"
Instead, I switched topics to complimenting her on her necklace, asking her if I could take a closer look at it (wanted more compliance, but I think I got enough with the deep dives and number grab, so this was unnecessary, just ended up asking too many questions, another problem with me)... She said it was from her bf... "C for Calypso," I respond. "Anyways, it was a pleasure." I reach out my hand, give her a handshake, look into her eyes for a couple seconds, we drop hands, and I stare into her eyes for a bit longer, a small smile on my face. Then I gradually get up and leave. "See you soon," she says.

I have a feeling that I have a chance of scoring a date with this girl. The fact that she disqualified her bf while relating back to me was a pretty strong sign. But I have to remember: reactions aren't shit. If she disses her bf and says things like "see you soon," it doesn't mean shit unless she actually meets me. She lives relatively close to me, so logistics won't be that bitch.

Pros:

- followed law of least effort (unfazed about bf, minimal talk, still and calm vibe)
- good non-verbal communication (eye contact, head tilts to show understanding, cute underlooks mixed throughout)
- good deep diving and feedback
- normal conversation; didn't try to force any chase frames or sexual innuendo

Cons:

- asked unnecessary question at the end
- friendly undertones; not sexual enough
 

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February 28

Went to the university today. Got one number:

1. Iranian/American girl

Me: *go up to her side, walk with her for a couple seconds*
Me: "are you single?"
Her: "yes :)"
Me: "well, I just wanted to let you know *nose wrinkle and smile* you are incrediblyy cute"
Her: "thanks"
Introductions; handshake. She stops walking without me asking.
I smile and give her eye contact, and she responds by asking me if I live around here. I reply and ask her the same question. Turns out we live in the same area.
I ask about her name, since it was quite odd, and found out she was half Iranian and half American and that she was actually named after a place in Iran.
I ask her if she ever goes to Iran or wants to.
She said no, she's never been there, but she wants to go, especially to Tabriz (the place she was named after).
Me: "yeah, people would be like 'what's your name?' And you would be like 'Tabriz!'" (we said her name at the same time).
I number close here, and she has trouble using my phone, so I teach her how, allowing me to do some light kino.
After, I smile at her and give strong eye contact. She replies by saying: "ok, I gotta go meet up with a friend now"
I ignore this and ask her faculty she's in, and she asks me the same thing (trying to go for the natural number close but I feel that I should've just let her go since asking her what she studied didn't really lead to any connection).
After this we make our farewells, and I turn around slowly, all the while, smiling at her.
This was a quick number close, therefore, didn't get much investment.


2. Dark brunette girl

Didn't get this girl's number but it is a conversation worth noting.
Me: *frontal opener* "are you single?"
Her: "no" *starts laughing*
Me: "why are you laughing like that? I know I'm not like most guys" :)
Her: "hahaha, I'm going this way!"
Me: *stop walking* "No stop."
Her: "haha, no I really have to go!"
Me: "no you don't, 2 minutes won't kill ya"
Her: *complies*
Introductions; handshake
I stare into her eyes and smile for a couple seconds (any longer, and it would've been awkward).
Me: "so what do you study here?"
Her: "geography"
Me: "aaahhh, so you must like looking at waterfalls, rocks, and enjoy long walks on the beach"
Her: "yep" *starts to say something but I interrupt her*
Me: "oh and to top it off, crazy parties"
Her: "oh ya, especially that!"
Her: "what about you?"
Me: *look off to the sides, then back to her* "What about me?"
Her: "haha, what do you do?"
Me: "I like getting into trouble" :)
Her: "haha, what kinds of trouble?"
Me: "well, that's for you to find out" :)
Her: *laughs*
Me: "how'd you get into geography?"
Her: "it's interesting!"
Me: "what's so interesting about it?"
Her: "it's different from everything else!"
Me: "I can tell you like change; you don't like sticking with the same thing, and you enjoy life's mysteries" (said something like this).
Her: "Yeah!"
Me: so what do you plan to do with it?"
Her: "I have noo idea yet"
Me: "ahhh, so you let that part remain a mystery as well"
Her: "yep!"
Here, I should've asked her: "but if you could have any job in the world without having to worry about money, what would it be?"
But I didn't! Fuck!
Me: "so what sorts of trouble do you get into?"
Her: "none!"
Me: "aaahhhh, a verryyy likelyyy story"
Her: "haha, I'm serious, I never get into trouble"
*silence for a couple seconds, I'm trying to think of what to say*
Me: "so do you do anything creative? Like reading?"
Her: "haha, reading isn't really creative..."
Me: "okay, so you're more of a cut paper with scissors kind of girl"
Her: "haha, nope."
Me: "okay, so you're a sportsy kind of girl"
Her: "haha I don't think I'm neither of those!"
Me: "so you study all day?"
Her: "no!"
I should've said something like: "ahhh you're making this hard for me! so what do you like to do?"
Instead, I kept guessing, made it look like I was chasing.
I try to number close here.
Her: "I have a boyfriend"
Me: "and I have no intentions of taking his place"
Her: "I know... but I'm like always with him"
Me: "except for now"
Her: "I'm going to meet up with a friend!"
She keeps saying she has to go, but she never does. So I just keep ignoring her and continue talking to her. Gradually, she places herself farther and farther away from me.
I take out my phone, and I'm like: "how do you spell your name?"
Her: "Emma, but I'm not giving you my number!"
Me: "778..."
Her: "hahaha, I'm not giving you my number! It was nice meeting you..."
And she leaves.

Lessons learned today:

Don't do thoughtful look when girls ask you what your studying; it makes it look like you're lying. Instead, save this expression for when girls ask you difficult questions/deep dive you.
 

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Dern!

A glance over your dialogue and it looks fair enough. It sounds like an issue dealing with fundamentals. Like, looks or voice tone or something - something I'm not seeing visually because you're getting resistance to compliance and your dialogue is fine. If it's in your comfort zone, do you have some pictures of what you normally go out in? Maybe some audio?

~Nick
 

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Hey Nick,

I talked a lot about my fundamentals and self-esteem in one of my recent threads: “Persistence,” under the general forum. Like ProblemSolving says, I need to work on my hair and clothing. I've been working with my gay hairstylist on styles that will suit me. My favourite outfit to go out in is: black leather jacket over a red and white checkered dress-shirt tucked into dark indigo jeans with a classic looking silver and black punch-hole belt buckle. Black sneakers to top it off. I need to find a way to stand out more (either with bright colours or peacock with rings and hats - not really my thing though), and wear tighter fitting clothes. As you can see, I have nothing that really makes me standout or peacock. I looked at my leather jacket today, and it said size medium, when I should really be wearing a size small. My red dress shirt is size small, but it is still too big for me I think. When I tuck it in, there seems to be a lot of excess fabric.

Also, I think my voice is a really huge issue as well. Throughout highschool, people would make fun of me for my voice: how it would sound high and girly. I think this was in part due to the fact that I talked in a passive tone of voice. You see, I was extremely quiet, shy, and timid during my highschool years. Nowadays, when approaching, I still find that I talk quietly, and sometimes girls have to ask me to repeat myself. This is because I am scared of other people hearing me approach a girl and staring, causing social pressure for both me and the girl. Not that I care much anymore; some of the time, I'll blatantly open a girl knowing people are going to notice, but I prefer to do it more low-key. For example, if a girl is walking with lots of people around her, I'll most likely wait until she deviates a bit before opening her. This way, I won't have to worry about talking quietly. However, I feel that even when I do resonate my voice, I still sound high-pitched. That's just how I sound. I know there are tons of links around these forums regarding working on your voice and Chase recommends speaking from your chest, which I have no idea how, but for now, I just want to work on talking louder, and with more assertiveness; don't let girls intimidate me!

Goals for March:

Be constantly consciously thinking about my posture and my walk

March 3

Today was full of ups and downs. I was studying till late last night and I had to force myself out of bed this morning to go to school. So tired. People say that state doesn’t matter, but I find that when I am tired, I do absolutely horrible with women (I talk quiet, I can’t think straight, etc).

So the first approach at school, I do a side opener: “are you single?” She says no, so I ignore it and say: “my names Darren.” She says she’s not interested and keeps walking. Must’ve been my fundamentals.

The second approach is this girl at the library. She’s sitting down and I check her out, trying to decide in my mind if she’s hot enough to approach. This is where I must’ve screwed up because she looked up and saw me staring. I looked away and went to go swipe my school card to get my bus pass. After, I go up to her and ask if the seat beside her is taken. She says no, so I sit down beside her and comment on how cute she is. She looks at me weirdly and says thanks. I introduce myself, and she half-ass shakes my hand before looking back down at her phone. I put on a bored look, but obviously, she didn’t re-initiate me, so I left.

I had a third approach, where I opened: “are you single?” from the side. She said no, so I slowed down my walk to see if she would match my pace. She didn’t.

After these three approaches, I felt absolutely disgusted at myself. I went to the library and tried to study but I couldn’t help but feel sorry for myself. It literally felt like my heart was being torn to pieces. Not for a while have I felt so depressed… so hurt… so angry. I’ve put in so much hard work and haven’t even gotten my first lay yet. At one point, I actually thought of jumping off the third floor of the library so that the girls who rejected me would feel sorry for me. However, mixed within this destructive mindset were thoughts like: “But you will never give up. You will be strong, and you will get through this. You’ve come this far already, it’s only a matter of time… just a matter of time…” Eventually, I passed out.

Looking back now, I can’t help but smile. It was so silly of me to think like that, but I really did feel bad then. Thanks to everyone who has commented on my threads so far; you guys have really helped.

Anyways, I wake up and I remember thinking to myself: “wow, I just went through hell and back.” I turn to my side and there’s a group of guys studying. They are whispering loudly about something. Then all of a sudden, a guy from this group turns around towards the direction of a hot girl who is studying at a table across the library. He puts on his glasses temporarily to check her out, and his group of friends start laughing. I think to myself: “what a bunch of pussies. I’m so much better than them. They can laugh and stare all they want, but I can actually approach.” This is bitter, I know… I was bitter today. But seeing this scenario go down made me feel a tiny bit better. I was thinking of approaching her right then and there just to show those kids up, but I know that anything above a whisper would be heard by the entire library. Instead, I start trying to study again. An hour or so passes, and this hot blonde girl gets up, packs up her stuff, and walks right past where I am studying. “This is my chance,” I tell myself. So, as she is walking down the stairs, leaving the library, I leave all my books and stuff behind, and catch up to her.
I open from the side with “Hello.”
She returns the greeting.
I then say: “I just saw you, and I just haaaddd to say hi.” Funny how much a nap can do to you; I was feeling re-energized and thus, was able to sound like I meant it.
“Thanks,” she says.
Introductions; handshake.
I ask her what she is up to today, and she says she’s going to philosophy class.
I reply: “so you must be a deep thinker.”
“Umm… not as much as I would like to be,” she says.
“Other people in my class participate way more than me.”
“Like, fighting to raise their hands,” I reply.
Her: “Yeah, they actually do. I just try to get in a word here and there… participation marks.”
“Ahh, so you’re the shy girl in the corner of the class” (this was a bad tease, but my intentions were to invite her sexual side out; I wanted her to respond something like: “I’m not always shy)!
But she didn’t. I don’t know how she responded, maybe with a smile or something.
I then backpedaled a bit by trying to relate to her: “I’m like that too. When I was little, I was always the shy kid who never said a word.”
She doesn’t believe me: “Well, you did approach me. Good on you, being able to start up a conversation with a stranger.”
I don’t really say anything, I just reply with a “hm.” I then ask her what her schedule is like: “we should totally grab a coffee.”
She says that she’s not in the mood to be social nowadays.
You know what I say to this? I say: “well… we don’t really have to talk… we can just stare into each other’s eyes.”
She smiles and says: “this is my class, nice meeting you!”

What went wrong here?
I’m thinking it was a mixture of my fundamentals being off, and that slightly hurtful tease. A better tease would’ve been like: “Ahh, so you’re the shy girl in the corner of the class. I think a couple more minutes of hanging out with you, and even I’d turn as silent as the wind!”

I start heading back to my stuff in the library. But on the way there, I see this pretty pink haired girl sitting outside, having a smoke. I turn to her and muster up a sexy walk, although I’m positive it could’ve been done way better; she definitely intimidated me a bit. She sees me acknowledge her, and sees me walking up to her.
I open with: “I’m digging your hair… Your lipstick matches too!” “
Thanks,” she says.
I sit down beside her. Introductions; handshake.
She starts off by showing interest in me, asking what I study here.
I tell her, psychology, and turn the question right back to her.
She says philosophy.
“So you must be a deep thinker,” I say.
“Mmm… a bit,” she replies.
Me: “If only a bit, then what’s the rest of you?”
She responds by listing all these artistic things.
“You are really creative,” I say.
She agrees and turns the question back to me.
I do the thoughtful look by looking away and down, then back to her: “I like reading… writing…” (trying to relate to her with creative hobbies as well).
I write as well,” she says.
I deep dive her: “what do you like about writing?”
“Good question,” she says. “Umm… I don’t know, it’s just something that I’ve done since I was young, I can’t really describe it.” I relate back to her: “yeah, I totally know what you mean. I can’t really explain it either, it’s just this feeling I get when I write.” “Yeah!” she replies. I continue: “this is a cool bond we have here: *give her a nudge on the upper arm… although I think touching her on the elbow would’ve been way more suitable* the ability to love writing, but not really know how to explain why.” She responds: “yeah, but to be able to put it in creative sounding words.” I number close here. She gives me her number and then says she better meet up with her group to study.

I text this girl to meet up, but she responds, saying that she forgot to mention that she is in a relationship, and that she wanted to make that clear. After talking to ProblemSolving, we decided she wasn’t worth the effort; there are single girls out there, I just have to keep looking.

I finally get back to my stuff at the library (good thing it’s still there), but not for long: another cute chick walks past where I’m studying. God damn!
I get back up, catch up to her, and open from the side: “hey!”
She replies: “hey! I remember you!”
“You remember me?” I say (cause I don’t). “Well that’s good! *pause* So what’s new?”
Her: “just stressing, you?”
Me: “going crazy as well.”
This leads to some light-hearted banter about what classes we’re taking and about craziness in general. I relate to her in my ability to suck at essays. She asks me where my backpack is, and I tell her the truth (that she distracted me and I had to chase after her hahaha)!
Her: “so who’s looking after your bag?”
Me: “just some guy.”
Her: “your friend?”
Me: “nope.”
Her: “just some random?”
Me: “yeah… hopefully he doesn’t backstab me.”
Her: “I’m sure he won’t…”
I keep walking alongside her, not saying anything for a few seconds.
Her: “… how long are you going to follow me for? Haha…”
Me: “stop. I want to talk to you more.”
I then deep dive after she stops: “If you’re stressing out so much, why are you taking these classes?” She tells me how she wants to transfer to university. I ask her to do what, and she says she has no idea yet.
Me: “well, let me ask you this, if you could have any job in the world without having to worry about *cha-ching – rub my fingers together,* what would you do?”
She laughs (probably because I was being so theatrical, lol, I’ve said this line like hundreds of times). Her: “I would be an actress.”
Me: “why not be an actress then?”
Her: “it’s unrealistic, I mean you have to start at a young age and be really talented, and blah blah blah.” Me: “you’re starting to sound like your parents.”
Her: *laughs*
Me: “you could start enrolling in acting classes like once a week”
Her: *starts talking about how that would be really hard, about how hard it would be to make money*
Me: “I like how you’re straight to the point. Money! Money! Money!”
Her: “haha yeah, well you’ve got to have money to do things!” (said it like I was stupid lol)
Me: “I can tell that you don’t beat around the bush with your emotions. I can respect that. I’m like that too.”
Her: “yeah… I mean, what do you want to do?”
Me: “hmmm… *thoughtful look* to be honest, all I really want to do is to travel the world.”
Her: “yeah, I want to do that too. But you need money!”
Me: “yeah…”
I try to number close here. She says she’s sort of seeing someone. I reply that I have no intentions of replacing him. Still, she declines. I keep persisting, saying that if he’s not her boyfriend, then what’s the problem? She tells me that she sees him as a potential relationship partner. “Does he see the same in you?” I ask. She says she dunnos. So I keep persisting. Eventually, we’re at a standstill where we’re both staring into each other’s eyes (I ran out of phrases to convince her). Gradually, the tension gets too high and we both burst out laughing. I know it would’ve been better if I didn’t, and only she did, but I couldn’t help myself either lol.
Her: “seriously though. I know I’m laughing, but I’m serious.”
Me: “okay, well if things change, why don’t you take down my number… or I take down your number…”
Her: “I’m pretty sure I already gave you my number.”
Me: “really? Oh, well, I must’ve texted you, and you must’ve not replied, so I must’ve deleted your number.”
Her: “well, there you go; I was just trying to tell you nicely.”
Me: “okay, I guess I’ll let you go then.”
We shake hands and go our separate ways.

What went wrong?
I might’ve creeped her out by telling her that I left my stuff to go chase her.
I followed her for a few minutes without getting her to stop. In this situation, this isn’t okay. It framed me as the chaser (since my stuff was back at the library).
She had a strong frame: she outframed me regarding the deep deep, and during the attempted number close.

March 10

Got two pretty weak numbers today, both from cute blonde girls at school. The first one was sitting down studying, so I opened her direct. Asked if I could take a seat, and she said yes, so I started moving her stuff so that I could sit beside her. I asked her what she was studying and she immediately started qualifying herself to me, telling me about how she got accepted into university and which one it was. It was pretty weird (usually, girls don’t qualify themselves so quickly to me). I asked her how she got into social work. She said that she had a lot of experience working with all kinds of people: children, seniors. I said something like: “oh wow, you must be very non-judgmental, having so much experience working with all those different kinds of people, plus you must also have a caring personality.” I think this is where I went wrong: I shouldn’t have talked so much. Something like, “oh wow, you must be very non-judgmental, having so much experience with all those different kinds of people.” Because the next thing she says is: “…that’s a lot of judgments you made based on one thing.” I responded: “well, is it true?” And she said “yes.” We talked a bit more, and the conversation got pretty awkward; I gave her strong eye contact at one point to put the social pressure on her, since I couldn’t really think of anything to say, and she sort of got awkwarded out. Nevertheless, I still managed to number grab.

The second girl I opened direct. Banter and deep dive about school. Try to close, but she had a boyfriend. I pretty much had to force her to give me her number. Was totally chasing her.

Something funny that I said to another girl:

Me: “hey!”
Her: *looks at me* “hey”
Her: “do I know you…? Oh wait, you’ve hit on me before.”
Me: *give her a nudge on upper arm*
Me: “I don’t hit girls. It’s mean.

Another excerpt from another girl:

I opened this girl direct. Was wearing a pink and white striped shirt, black jeans, and black baseball hat. Found out that she was from out of town, and just checking out the college campus. She asked me if I knew anyone who could show her around. I offered to. Thinking back, I don’t know if this was such a good idea, but I figured it was a good way to move her. We walked around campus talking, but she seemed way more into the environment than me. I was deep diving her, asking her what she likes about Vancouver. She said the weather, the laid-back vibe. I asked her what she wanted to study and why. She said business because she wanted to help company’s grow. I replied that that was very unselfish of her; she wanted to benefit herself, but at the same time, help others. A note:

Me: “yeah… you just looked absolutely stunning in th-”
Her: “shutuppp!” :)
Me: *silence* (I was defeated here – I shouldn’t have complimented her twice, the opener was enough – nevertheless, I should’ve kept talking and not shown disappointment)
Her: “I’m like too old for you anyways, how old are you?”
Me: “how old areee youuu?”
Her: “29, you?”
Me: “19”
Me: “I think age is just a thing that people make up” (meant to say something like: “Age is a false belief. If you can build a genuine connection with someone, then why does it matter how old they are?”)

Anyways, I tried to close near the end of our walk. She said she was only here for two days, and had absolutely no time. Whatever. Waste of my time.

March 12

Had a four hour break in-between classes today, so I headed down to the university. Got one weak number. Girl sitting down. I opened direct. Light bantered about chocolate, since she was eating chocolate. I asked her if she liked chocolate, and she said “sort of, I like fries more.” “Haha,” I said. “Very healthy choice.” She asked me if I liked chocolate. I said: “no, I prefer burgers and sodas.” Found out that she was in kinesiology.

Me: “so if someone broke a bone right now, you would be able to fix it?”
Her: “haha, well, I’m only in first year”
Me: “okay, so you would be able to tell what bone they broke.”
Her: “Haha, yes, I would be able to do that.”

I asked how she got into kinesiology. She told me how she played lots of sports when she was younger, and hurt herself, and seeing how rehabilitation got her better, she decided to pursue kinesiology as a career.

She then asked me what I studied, and asked me how I got into it. I answered her as well as I could (making sure to do thoughtful looks).

I think I made a mistake here of talking more. I should’ve just number closed; kept the interaction short. Instead, I told her that she must have very good nutrition as well (even though we joked earlier that we didn’t). Stupid me. She said that she was surviving off cafeteria food. So I asked where she was from, assuming that she was from out of town. She said Calgary, and I deep dove that. She said she liked the place where she was from more because it was a tightly-knit town where everyone knew each other and you could see a bear in your backyard if you were lucky. “You have nature as your backyard,” I said. After this, I asked her about her schedule. She said she was busy until the end of the term. I told her I was extremely busy as well, but that I should take down her number anyways, “maybe we could find some time.” I then asked her about what sports she did when she was younger. Bantered about that, and then left. Overall, the conversation never really reached a high point, and I found myself struggling to achieve this point, but to no avail. Awkward vibe throughout this conversation.

I’m going to write about one more approach, probably the best approach of the day. This girl was lining up for starbucks, so I figured out, “hey what the hell, I’ll just order a cup of water.”

Me: “hey, excuse me?”
Her: *looks at me*
Me: “can I budge ahead of you?”
Her: “uhhhhhhhhhhh”
Me: “relax. *give her a nudge on the upper arm* I just thought you were incredibly cute”
Her: *starts laughing*
Me: “… and wanted to say hi…”
Me: “I’m Darren”
Her: *shakes my hand, tells me her name*
Me: “so, what’s your favourite drink?”
Her: *laughs* (stupid fucking question I know, but I just wanted to start off with some light banter)
Her: “hmmm... I don’t know what I want… I don’t really drink coffee, so I guess tea.”
Me: “I was just about to say *pause* are you thhaatt spontaneous?”
Her: “haha noo”
Me: “so tea huh? You must be a really relaxing, chill kind of person”
Her: “not really" :)
Me: "ahhh, so you've got a wild side"
Her: "haha, no, more of in-between" (I could've responded: "it's ok, you don't have to be shy around me)
Me: "ahhh, so you've got that equilibrium about you. That's a cool bond we have. I'm like that too: not too extreme on one side, but not too much on the other either" (use my hands to show this).
Her: "right in the middle" :)
Me: "right where I want to be :)" (should've said instead: "right where we want to be")
At this point, we both order our drinks, so I don't talk to her again until we are at the area where we wait for the drinks.
Me: "I hate how this line is always so long"
Her: *smiles*
We get our drinks, and then I try to number close.
Her: "maybeeee not" :)
Me: "maybeeee yes" :)
Her: "haha stop changing my words!"
She starts turning her face slowly away from me so that she is looking at me from the corner of her eyes. I do the exact same thing. We smile.
Me: "why, do you have a boyfrieeeenddd?"
Her: "mmm... sort of... I'm sort of seeing someone" (I know what that means)
Me: "me too" (could've added: I'm good at keeping secrets)
Her: "you shouldn't be walking around telling weird girls they're cute"
Me: "you're weird? are you saying you're weird?"
Her: "no" :)
Lol.
She walks away to put sugar or whatever in her drink. I stay put, just to see if she will come back to talk to me, but she doesn't. Fuck. I could tell this girl was pretty experienced. Thinking about it now, she put off my "spontaneous" and "wild side" frames pretty easily.
 

Dern

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March 14

More university approaching today. Unfortunately, no numbers. Just read Franco's advice on my latest FR. I totally agree that I have to be more direct. I mean most of my compliments usually sound like: "you are absolutely gorgeous, you are incredibly cute, you look beautiful today." But I have to start saying what makes the girl so pretty. Is it her sunglasses? Is it the way her leggings show off her ass? Is it the way her all black clothing brings out the brightness of her hair?
 
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